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JohnHavir

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Jun 20, 2003, 11:53:11 PM6/20/03
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Hi,

Do you have any favorite first lyric lines from some of Gord's songs which set
the tone for the entire song?

I thought about this after listening to my wife. I introduced her to Gord
(except she like Elvis and had no idea Early Morning Rain was a Gord song)
after we got married. She does not know the complete lyrics to many songs yet.
But she does know first lines of many.

5.) Pickin' up the pieces of my sweet shattered dream
4.) Rows of lights in a circle of steel Where you place your bets on a great
big wheel
3.) It's alright for some but not alright for me When the one that I'm lovin'
slips around
2.) I can see her lyin' back in her satin dress In a room where ya do what ya
don't confess
1.) The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down Of the big lake they called
'Gitche Gumee'

JH

Tony Meloche

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(In the rhythm of a light, easy gallop):

Through the woodlands, through the valley, comes a horseman wild and
free.
Tilting at the windmills passing, who can the brave young horseman be?

Anyone who hears those lines, and CAN resist listening to what comes
next, needs to turn in their ears.

Tony Meloche


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Cathy Cowette

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Jun 21, 2003, 9:42:41 AM6/21/03
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"There was a time in this fair land when the railroads did not run, when the
wild majestic mountain stood alone against the sun..."
The first verse of this song is magical. It's like you have a canvas in
front of you. The first verse starts the painting, and the rest of the song
finishes it.

Cathy

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Tony Wesley

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Jun 21, 2003, 12:13:30 PM6/21/03
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"JohnHavir" <john...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Do you have any favorite first lyric lines from some of Gord's songs which set
> the tone for the entire song?

From "Wherefore and Why":

When I awoke this morning, something inside of me
Told me this would be my day.


Doug

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Jun 21, 2003, 12:21:06 PM6/21/03
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Looking at the rain,
Feeling the pain,
of love lost, running through my brain

The space shuttle ends, where the subway begins,
There's a tear on the face of the moon.

I think you had somebody waiting outside
in the rain, to take you away.
You got places to go,
you got people to see,
still I'm gonna miss you
but anyway.

You think you had the last laugh now
you know this can't be true,
even though the sun shines down upon you now
sometimes you must feel blue.

If you see my smile don't think I'm acting strange
I got my just reward for all my pains.

Just to recite a few. There are so many others which grab your
attention.....like the first line of a good novel is supposed to!!

Great thread. Another thing I noticed is some of us might group the phrasing a
little differently which could change the meaning in a way you hadn't
considered before.


Doug
"When love is true......there is no truer occupation"

mcarl4444

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Jun 21, 2003, 12:22:26 PM6/21/03
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This is a difficult one, but

"He was standing by the highway, with a sign that just said 'Mother'"

popped into my head first.

Matt

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BrunaZanelli

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>I think you had somebody waiting outside
>in the rain, to take you away.
>You got places to go,
>you got people to see,
>still I'm gonna miss you
>but anyway.
>

Oh yes! This is one of my faves!

Bru

Telekidd

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Jun 21, 2003, 1:12:42 PM6/21/03
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"There's a kind of a restless feeling, and it pulls you from within," is one of
my favorites, in setting up the tone and feel of the song...and yet it doesn't
give anything away. It sets a mood, within which the rest of the verses follow
beautifully.

Another would be "You've got time enough for two of us." That, to me, is just
a magical line, and when it's followed by "What is mine, I will share," well, I
was certainly hooked! You can read it as a love song, you can read it as a
friendship song...as with all of GL's best work, there are many layers to
it--and that opening line sets it up beautifully.

One more: "The lamp is burning low upon my table top." What more need be
said?

My apologies if I've duplicated other people's responses...I loved this idea of
this thread so much that I responded immediately, instead of being polite and
seeing what other people had written first! :)
Derek

Ed Mullen

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Jun 21, 2003, 11:36:18 PM6/21/03
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What a brilliant topic! Ok. I'm sure the obvious ones will turn up
sooooo ...

"A passing ship, I have found the open ocean"

--
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your headlights. Would anything happen?

Dave Martins

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Jun 22, 2003, 3:01:49 AM6/22/03
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"Rainy day people always seem to know when it's time to call ..."

That sets up the rest of the song.

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K3

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"JohnHavir" <john...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Hi,
>
> Do you have any favorite first lyric lines from some of Gord's songs which
set
> the tone for the entire song?
>

Happily married now for 8 years now, but years ago when my girlfriend broke
my heart (returning to an ex-lover)... back when I just started
understanding Gordon Lightfoot's music... there were many first-choice first
lines:

I think I could write a song 'bout our whole relationship from GL's first
lines...

"The perfume that she wore was from some little store"
"Nothing is for certain, that's what the showman said"
"I remember everything"
"Was it someone she met that's so hard to forget"
"Looking at the rain, feeling the pain"
"Does the light of passion still burn bright"
"I remember when best friends were jealous lovers"
"I think you had somebody waiting outside in the rain to take you away"
"You said you were through with romance"
"Listen mister I won't waste your time"
"I'm on my way, got no time to waste"

The list is endless!!!

--
Kendall F. Stratton III
Fort Fairfield, Maine USA
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Donnie Budd

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Jun 22, 2003, 1:50:13 PM6/22/03
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> From: Kevin Andreoli <I.pos...@you.post.the.reply.invalid>
> Organization: ntl Cablemodem News Service
> Reply-To: ke...@andreoli.co.uk
> Newsgroups: alt.music.lightfoot
> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2003 10:51:59 +0100
> Subject: Re: Great First Lines


>
> |Do you have any favorite first lyric lines from some of Gord's songs which
> set
> |the tone for the entire song?
> |

The minstrel of the dawn is here to make you laugh and bend your ear.


donnie

Ed Mullen

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Jun 22, 2003, 8:22:40 PM6/22/03
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And, while this could be terribly depressing, somehow I find it very ...
well ... comforting? Enlightening? Hopeful? Something more positive
than a requiem for love gone wrong, lovers passing in the night and all
that. But, still, I think maybe we all get Kendall's thrust. It's hard
enough to go through life without having poets point it out and rub our
faces in it. God (umm, sorry, "Gord") does have a way of doing that
from time to time.

;-)

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JohnHavir

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Jun 22, 2003, 9:04:44 PM6/22/03
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>"There was a time in this fair land when the railroads did not run, when the
>wild majestic mountain stood alone against the sun..."
>The first verse of this song is magical. It's like you have a canvas in
>front of you. The first verse starts the painting, and the rest of the song
>finishes it.
>
>Cathy

Hi,

You are absolutely right about this line.

JH

Bill Hall

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Jun 22, 2003, 9:30:18 PM6/22/03
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I am especially moved the the word "It's" at the start of "The Circle is
Small". it is quite brilliant

bill

Ed Mullen

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Jun 23, 2003, 2:07:32 PM6/23/03
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Bill Hall wrote:

Almost as good as that "A" to begin A Passing Ship! ;-)

"It feels so good, knowing the watchman's gone." - Gordon Lightfoot

Bill Hall

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>ill Hall wrote:
>
>> I am especially moved the the word "It's" at the start of "The Circle is
>> Small". it is quite brilliant
>>
>> bill
>Almost as good as that "A" to begin A Passing Ship! ;-)

Your right EJ! That si even more provocative!
Bill
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knottypine

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How about: "Whatever you think of me, I'm still your friend, so
other than nothin', what's new?" I think the whole song (Tattoo)
has so many incredible lines...

"Time has been wasting away, I can
see it go sailing on by as it slips through my fingers.

Time has been wasting away, you know time doesn't
Wait for nobody to find what they're after
It just keeps on rolling on down the deep canyons
And through the green meadows into the broad ocean
Good night"

WOW!!

Melissa Joe

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Jun 24, 2003, 3:19:50 PM6/24/03
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I'm standin' at the doorway,
My head bowed in my hands,
Not knowin' where to sit,
Not knowin'where I stand.....


Melissa


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Cathy Cowette

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Jun 24, 2003, 6:07:07 PM6/24/03
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I'mmmmmmmm stannnnnnnnnnnndinnnnnnnnnng at
the
doooooooooorrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrwaaaaaayyyyyyyy.............

;-)
Cathy

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Valerie Magee

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Jun 24, 2003, 8:51:00 PM6/24/03
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Are you trying to get me to say something?

Cathy Cowette wrote:

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Valerie

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Cathy Cowette

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Jun 24, 2003, 8:58:40 PM6/24/03
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Try:


mmmmmmmmmmmmmmyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy


hhhhhhhhhhhhhead

booooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwed...........


innnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

myyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

hannnnnnnnnnnnnnndzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

--
Cathy

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JohnHavir

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Jun 25, 2003, 9:47:39 AM6/25/03
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Hi,

Here's a great first line although its not Gord's:

"Hey, hey, mama, said the way you move, gonna make you sweat, gonna make you
groove."

JH

Melissa Joe

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Jun 25, 2003, 5:53:26 PM6/25/03
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Looks like she succeeded....
:))

Melissa


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Melissa Joe

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Jun 25, 2003, 5:55:59 PM6/25/03
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Somebody sure knows how to screw up a great song. (even are if you're
just trying to teach somebody how to play it.....)

:))

M


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Cathy Cowette

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Sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssit


dowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnn

younnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng

ssssssssssssssssssstrannnnnnnnnnnnnngerrrrrrrr......


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Sputnik

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Jun 25, 2003, 6:17:02 PM6/25/03
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"Nothing is for certain
That's what the showman said.
First you must open the curtain
and stand them on their heads.
There can be no inhibitions
no prima-donna ways
if you want to pass the audition
and times is tough these days"

I agree, what a great thread.

-Gary


Ed Mullen

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Jun 25, 2003, 9:20:28 PM6/25/03
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Cathy Cowette wrote:

> Sssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssit
>
>
>
>
> dowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnn
>

Gee, if we'd have done that version last year at Caffe Lena we wouldn't
have had to sing any other songs. That one would have taken all night!!!

For every action, there is an equal and opposite criticism.

Cathy Cowette

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It would have at least taken up the entire second set, especially with Dan
singing it. He does that version so well.

--
Cathy

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Rocky Fugate

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john...@aol.com (JohnHavir) wrote in message news:<20030620235311...@mb-m25.aol.com>...
> Hi,

>
> Do you have any favorite first lyric lines from some of Gord's songs which set
> the tone for the entire song?
>
> I thought about this after listening to my wife. I introduced her to Gord
> (except she like Elvis and had no idea Early Morning Rain was a Gord song)
> after we got married. She does not know the complete lyrics to many songs yet.
> But she does know first lines of many.
>
> 5.) Pickin' up the pieces of my sweet shattered dream
> 4.) Rows of lights in a circle of steel Where you place your bets on a great
> big wheel
> 3.) It's alright for some but not alright for me When the one that I'm lovin'
> slips around
> 2.) I can see her lyin' back in her satin dress In a room where ya do what ya
> don't confess
> 1.) The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down Of the big lake they called
> 'Gitche Gumee'
>
> JH

I guess I'll be the one to mention this opening line, although I can't
believe it hasn't been listed already.

"If you could read my mind, love, what a tale my thoughts could tell."

IYCRMM is only the best folk/pop/rock/country/cross-over song in
history, IMHO.

Rocky Fugate
Noonday, Texas

Cathy Cowette

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Jun 27, 2003, 11:38:44 PM6/27/03
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I agree with it being the best, Rocky. That's the one that got me hooked on
Lightfoot, and has been my favorite ever since.
My 18 year old son sang it at Junior Exhibition a few months ago, with me
accompanying him on guitar.

--
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Billy Campbell

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"In a blaze of tangled hooves."
Also. "In the dust of an old lawmans eyes".
I hope I have remembered these lines properly. They are not the first lines
in the songs, but to me, they paint a vivid picure.
Billy


Tony Wesley

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"Cathy Cowette" <ca...@cathycowette.com> wrote in message
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> "Rocky Fugate" <rf09...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:7183c2e9.03062...@posting.google.com...

> > I guess I'll be the one to mention this opening line, although I can't
> > believe it hasn't been listed already.
> >
> > "If you could read my mind, love, what a tale my thoughts could tell."
> >
> > IYCRMM is only the best folk/pop/rock/country/cross-over song in
> > history, IMHO.

> I agree with it being the best, Rocky. That's the one that got me hooked on


> Lightfoot, and has been my favorite ever since.

Wow.

How did that one get overlooked?

I'm going to agree with Rocky & Cathy. As with Cathy, that's the one that
hooked me.


Sputnik

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Jun 28, 2003, 2:42:48 PM6/28/03
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I agree, although in the second song you had, I really like:

"the power that is stored
in this no-man's-land of chance
is for someone who knows what they're doin'..."


Rocky Fugate

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Jun 29, 2003, 10:11:20 AM6/29/03
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If "If You Could Read My Mind" had been the only song Gordon ever
wrote, he still would have had a great career. Add in all of the
other great songs, and what he has done is beyond comparison to me.

IYCRMM was also the song that 'turned me on' to Gordon. I heard it on
the radio (in my University of Houston college days) and tried to
track down the album that it came from. Most record shops had no idea
what song I was talking about, but I finally found one that had an
opened copy of this album called "Sit Down Young Stranger". They sold
it to me at a discount, about $3 if I remember correctly, and I was
flabbergasted at the quality of the songs that were on that album.
And I still am.

It must have been a great experience to accompany your son as he sang
that song. My children will admit that Gordon is a massive talent,
but they haven't tried to perform anything of his yet.

Best regards,
Rocky

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Cathy Cowette

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Jun 29, 2003, 10:23:23 AM6/29/03
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Oh, I got to play the proud mom. He did a good job singing it and got a big
applause at the end. I heard later that it made one of his ex-girlfriends
cry.

The first time I remember hearing IYCRMM was in the very early 70s. Gord was
on a TV show singing it, sitting on a stool with the spotlight on him. None
of the other members of the band were shown. Just Gord and his guitar,
although I could hear the others. I believe Anne Murray was also on this
show, but I'm not positive about that. Does anyone remember seeing this?
Both Mom and I were mesmerized by his performance.

Tony Meloche

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Cathy Cowette wrote:

> The first time I remember hearing IYCRMM was in the very early 70s. Gord was
> on a TV show singing it, sitting on a stool with the spotlight on him. None
> of the other members of the band were shown. Just Gord and his guitar,
> although I could hear the others. I believe Anne Murray was also on this
> show, but I'm not positive about that. Does anyone remember seeing this?
> Both Mom and I were mesmerized by his performance.
>
> Cathy


I did not see that particular show, but as you are remembering Gord
and Anne Murray on the same show - and you live in Maine - is it
possible it was a Canadian TV station? Gord and Anne are both
institutions there.

I loved IYCRMM the first time I heard it, and learned to perform it
in short order. But the songs that hooked me - turned me into a
lifelong Lighthead - were CRT and Don Quixote.

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Cathy Cowette

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Tony,
It was definitely a Canadian broadcast. Back in the day, long before cable
hit Northern Maine, we used to watch CBC out of St. John, New Brunswick.
WCSJ, I think it was called. We had a choice of three stations, our local
CBS, NBC, ABC affiliate, CHSJ, and Maine PBS. We watched a lot of CBC.
This was a variety show, something along the lines of The Tommy Hunter Show.
It may have been that show, but I'm not sure. I just remember watching it
and thinking, "Wow! This Lightfoot character is really good!"

It took me years to figure out how to play IYCRMM. I remember trying to
figure out the G, Gadd9, Dm6/G progression, and I couldn't come up with
anything that sounded right. For years I couldn't play it. I only figured it
out about 6 or 7 years ago. Amazingly, it's pretty easy.

Cathy
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Tony Meloche

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Cathy Cowette wrote:

> It took me years to figure out how to play IYCRMM. I remember trying to
> figure out the G, Gadd9, Dm6/G progression, and I couldn't come up with
> anything that sounded right. For years I couldn't play it. I only figured it
> out about 6 or 7 years ago. Amazingly, it's pretty easy.
>
> Cathy


Yep, once you catch on to it, it is. I have always played it in A.
One of those songs that really challenged my fingerpicking skills, only
to find out years later I was hearing a combination of Gord and the lead
guitarist.

Cathy Cowette

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> Yep, once you catch on to it, it is. I have always played it in A.
> One of those songs that really challenged my fingerpicking skills, only
> to find out years later I was hearing a combination of Gord and the lead
> guitarist.
>
> Tony Meloche

You actually play it in A with no capo, or do you mean you capo up two and
play it in G, like the majority of us do? I can't imagine playing it in any
other key.
I also combine a little of the lead, like the short bridge after the second
verse, and the ending.
Well, if Derek is around, I let him play the lead, just because he does such
a good job at it.

Cathy
http://www.cathycowette.com

Tony Meloche

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Cathy Cowette wrote:

>
> You actually play it in A with no capo, or do you mean you capo up two and
> play it in G, like the majority of us do? I can't imagine playing it in any
> other key.


Yep, A - no capo. It lies very well to hand that way, and without
checking the recording, I think it was originally in A, but I'm not
positive. Hang on, I'm gonna check the recording.


It is in A major, yeah.


> I also combine a little of the lead, like the short bridge after the second
> verse, and the ending.


Yes, me too - gotta have that "trademark" of the accompaniment in
there :>)

Cathy Cowette

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> It is in A major, yeah.
>
> Tony Meloche

Yes, it's in the key of A. That I know for sure, but Gord capos it on the
second fret and plays it with a G progression. You play it open with an A
progression?

Cathy

Tony Wesley

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[snip]

> I also combine a little of the lead, like the short bridge after the second
> verse, and the ending.
> Well, if Derek is around, I let him play the lead, just because he does such
> a good job at it.

From the time I heard you two, yes he certainly does.

But don't let him know.


Tony Meloche

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Yep, always have - just feels ands sound right to me. At least I now
have the satisfaction of knowing that no one would ever accuse me of
*copying* Gord's arrangement (even though that's what I was trying to
do, of course!)

Tony

Cathy Cowette

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"Tony Meloche" <amel...@remc11.k12.mi.us> wrote in message
>
>

> Yep, always have - just feels ands sound right to me. At least I now
> have the satisfaction of knowing that no one would ever accuse me of
> *copying* Gord's arrangement (even though that's what I was trying to
> do, of course!)
>
> Tony

I just tried it. My fingers just won't do it. No way.

Cathy

Cathy Cowette

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"Tony Wesley" <tonyn...@tonywesley.com> wrote in message
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D'oh! I already told him he's may favorite lead guitarist. I've tried to
talk him into moving East, but he's too much of a Calfornia boy for that. I
guess I have to settle for a couple of visits per year. Good thing he has
relatives in Maine, or I'd probably never see him!
Oh, I wish they all could be California boys.....

Cathy (are you blushing, Joe Stingray?)


Tony Wesley

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"Cathy Cowette" <ca...@cathycowette.com> wrote in message
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> D'oh! I already told him he's may favorite lead guitarist.

Derek is a decent lead guitarist, no doubt. Maybe he'll work his
way up to being a tin guitarist or even a copper guitarist
someday. :+)


Cathy Cowette

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"Tony Wesley" <tonyn...@tonywesley.com> wrote in message >
>

> Derek is a decent lead guitarist, no doubt. Maybe he'll work his
> way up to being a tin guitarist or even a copper guitarist
> someday. :+)

And if he works real hard, he may some day make it to gold or platinum.

Cathy


Char

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and the ultimate - Air Guitarist...
lol
;)
Char

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Richard Harison

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Jun 29, 2003, 7:36:06 PM6/29/03
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Red always played it open. Thus the arpeggio chord in the descant afforded
him the opportunity for a sweeping D (which sounds a whole lot better than
a capoed C)
--
All the Best...
Richard Harison

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Richard Harison

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And you may thank a record librarian/program director for a Seattle WA
radio station for putting the song on the station's American playlist.
Were it not for her...well who knows?
And yes Rocky...that collection is one