To the morons who said Yes were not rock
Ivan "Maximus" Lendl
Superdave
er .... that's not rock. that's garbage.
bubba
wrote:
YES IS NOT ROCK AND YOU SWALLOW SEMEN
Pelle Svanslös
Dorks of delirium.
Ivan "Maximus" Lendl
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Ivan "Maximus" Lendl
> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 06:42:51 -0800 (PST), "Ivan \"Maximus\" Lendl"
>
> >How is this not rock?
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHr3LxfjpfI
>
> er .... that's not rock. that's garbage.
garbage like Federer's backhand...lol... anyone who thinks Eagles is
the best band ever simply doesnt have a ear... or is a wuss.
Superdave
i didn't say the eagles are the best band ever. just better than the
one you said was the best band ever. big difference.
Superdave
Jeff
wrote:
No offense, but if you talk about something besides
the same 10 bands (or whatever) I'll be happy to
participate. And I don't know enough about yes
to comment.
David Schwartz
is coming from a lifetime Who fan, but I am also a lifetime Yes fan, since
the first time I heard them. Their music is like no other. Its delicate,
ferocious, melodic, complex, simple, intelligent, spiritual, and more, but
that's enough for now. Their members are either the best or in the top five
of best for their instruments. Jon's voice is like no other. Granted, if
you don't care for his voice, or Yes music for that matter, I understand-it
does not sit well with everyone. But for those of us who fortunately, get
it, they are as unbelievable as The Who.
--
David Schwartz
Commack, NY
Dale Houstman
Of course this all depends on how one defines "rock". Since it is
obvious that Yes belongs to the "R&R" era, and are among the pantheon of
60s "rock" stars, I can only conjecture that you are electing them (on
the basis of this performance) to a more tighter category of songs that
are "rocking": i.e. "swinging with force." As far as "rocking" songs go,
this one isn't. It's expansive and (as per usual for Yes) poetically
epic, but it doesn't really "rock," but moves more like a classical
piece done with electric instruments. Or "prog"...
dmh
Superdave
<the.big.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
oh wait ! mine is #7. Yours #17. i see i see.
check this out ....
Superdave
You like redheads, Raja like blondes and I like brunettes.
Vive la differance !
I love the Who, the Beatles, Fleetwood Mac, Eagles, Van Halen,
etc but perhaps my favorite is .....
Bill Haley and the Comets !
Jeff
Oh please
JohnB
wrote:
What is and isn't "rock" isn't a science. It's consensus, if one can
be found; otherwise it's personal opinion. Why do you have to use
terms of abuse towards anyone who disagrees with you?
FWIW, some Yes tracks are "rocky" IMHO but that isn't the heart of
what they do/did.
Superdave
WeReo_ScoTTy
news:b8849192-0e6b-4f1e...@o10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...YES and Rock is a crock of shit.
progea
6sicks...@gmail.com
wrote:
If you like it, why would you care what anyone else thinks?
Oh, yeah, because you're a troll.
Back under the bridge troll.
bubba
bubba
wrote:
> On Nov 25, 8:47 am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 06:42:51 -0800 (PST), "Ivan \"Maximus\" Lendl"
>
> > <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >How is this not rock?
>
> > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHr3LxfjpfI
>
> > er .... that's not rock. that's garbage.
>
> garbage like Federer's backhand...lol... anyone who thinks Eagles is
> the best band ever simply doesnt have a ear... or is a wuss.
SEMEN SUCKER RAJA
Ivan "Maximus" Lendl
> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:07:46 +0800, Superdave
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:04:09 -0800 (PST), "Ivan \"Maximus\" Lendl"
> ><zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Nov 25, 8:47 am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 06:42:51 -0800 (PST), "Ivan \"Maximus\" Lendl"
>
> >>> <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> >How is this not rock?
>
> >>> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHr3LxfjpfI
>
> >>> er .... that's not rock. that's garbage.
>
> >>garbage like Federer's backhand...lol... anyone who thinks Eagles is
> >>the best band ever simply doesnt have a ear... or is a wuss.
>
> >i didn't say the eagles are the best band ever. just better than the
> >one you said was the best band ever. big difference.
>
Why is the so called garbage band at #17?
Ivan "Maximus" Lendl
> On Nov 25, 8:42 am, "Ivan \"Maximus\" Lendl" <zepflo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > How is this not rock?
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHr3LxfjpfI
>
> No offense, but if you talk about something besides
> the same 10 bands (or whatever)
But those 10 bands (Beatles, Stones, Who, Floyd, Purple, Zeppelin,
Yes, Sabbath AC/DC, Rush) are among the top 10 bands ever... so lot
more fun. Ask the folks in rst to talk about the likes of Medvedev/
Clement/Noah/Schuttler instead of Connors/Borg/McEnroe/Lendl/Federer/
Nadal. And they won't.
> I'll be happy to
> participate. And I don't know enough about yes
> to comment.
Too bad, that you don't know one of top 10 best and greatest rock
bands ever. Go educate yourself!
Ivan "Maximus" Lendl
> Yes rocks, in their own way, like no other band rocks. Now remember, this
> is coming from a lifetime Who fan, but I am also a lifetime Yes fan, since
> the first time I heard them. Their music is like no other. Its delicate,
> ferocious, melodic, complex, simple, intelligent, spiritual, and more, but
> that's enough for now.
I agree they can be both fierce or mellow. Not many bands can do that.
> Their members are either the best or in the top five
> of best for their instruments. Jon's voice is like no other. Granted, if
> you don't care for his voice, or Yes music for that matter, I understand-it
> does not sit well with everyone. But for those of us who fortunately, get
> it, they are as unbelievable as The Who.
I agree. And even though I might shit on Who occasionally I respect
The Who very much.
Ivan Maximus Lendl
> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:10:46 +0800, Superdave
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:04:09 -0800 (PST), "Ivan \"Maximus\" Lendl"
> >><zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>On Nov 25, 8:47 am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 06:42:51 -0800 (PST), "Ivan \"Maximus\" Lendl"
>
> >>>> <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> >How is this not rock?
>
> >>>> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHr3LxfjpfI
>
> >>>> er .... that's not rock. that's garbage.
>
> >>>garbage like Federer's backhand...lol... anyone who thinks Eagles is
> >>>the best band ever simply doesnt have a ear... or is a wuss.
>
> >>i didn't say the eagles are the best band ever. just better than the
> >>one you said was the best band ever. big difference.
>
>
> oh wait ! mine is #7. Yours #17. i see i see.
>
artists, Yes trample over the Eagles. In terms of popularity ofcourse
Eagles were much better.
His no.2 band is U2. He should be shot.
Ivan Maximus Lendl
> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:10:46 +0800, Superdave
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >>On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:04:09 -0800 (PST), "Ivan \"Maximus\" Lendl"
> >><zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>On Nov 25, 8:47 am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 06:42:51 -0800 (PST), "Ivan \"Maximus\" Lendl"
>
> >>>> <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> >How is this not rock?
>
> >>>> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHr3LxfjpfI
>
> >>>> er .... that's not rock. that's garbage.
>
> >>>garbage like Federer's backhand...lol... anyone who thinks Eagles is
> >>>the best band ever simply doesnt have a ear... or is a wuss.
>
> >>i didn't say the eagles are the best band ever. just better than the
> >>one you said was the best band ever. big difference.
>
>
US sales is a bullshit criterion. First of all he is using RIAA
numbers which are all wrong. RIAA doesnt even include Deep Purple and
they have sold 100 million records worldwide. And many bands have sold
a lot outside the US. ABBA has sold 13 million in US and 350 million
outside US.
Remove that bullshit US Sales criterion and Eagles are toast. Yes has
388 points and Eagles only 377 points.
And it is retarded that he gave Van Halen so many points. And what the
fuck are Stone Temple Pilots doing at 13? They are the most hated
grunge band ever.
RichL
But can you dance to it? For the most part, I think not. To me, much
of Yes's music comes across as *pretentiously* complex. Complexity for
its own sake.
"Best or in the top five of best"? Setting aside for the moment that
such an assessment is highly subjective, I think the only member for
whom an *objective* case can be made -- within the narrow confines of
classic rock, even -- is Chris Squire. And even there, to me he takes a
back seat to Entwistle.
"Get it"? Come on. Nothing like using a phrase like that to set
yourself up as a genuine music critic, eh?
RichL
And I wouldn't say that this song "rocks". It meanders. It's
interesting in its own right though.
Ivan Maximus Lendl
> David Schwartz <who4e...@optonline.net> wrote:
> > Yes rocks, in their own way, like no other band rocks. Now remember,
> > this is coming from a lifetime Who fan, but I am also a lifetime Yes
> > fan, since the first time I heard them. Their music is like no
> > other. Its delicate, ferocious, melodic, complex, simple,
> > intelligent, spiritual, and more, but that's enough for now. Their
> > members are either the best or in the top five of best for their
> > instruments. Jon's voice is like no other. Granted, if you don't
> > care for his voice, or Yes music for that matter, I understand-it
> > does not sit well with everyone. But for those of us who
> > fortunately, get it, they are as unbelievable as The Who.
>
> But can you dance to it? For the most part, I think not. To me, much
> of Yes's music comes across as *pretentiously* complex. Complexity for
> its own sake.
wow................ have you really heard Yes.... ever? This is
something you would call to describe Dream Theater... not Yes. I guess
you might hate Mahavishnu Orchestra as well.
>
> "Best or in the top five of best"? Setting aside for the moment that
> such an assessment is highly subjective, I think the only member for
> whom an *objective* case can be made
Yeah your objective analysis is all the Beatles are in the top 5 in
the categories... kindly fuck off with your objective analysis
>-- within the narrow confines of
> classic rock, even -- is Chris Squire. And even there, to me he takes a
> back seat to Entwistle.
Entwistle, Squire, Lee (Geddy), John Paul Jones are all in the same
level. You can interchange their #s.
Ivan Maximus Lendl
yep when you hear a Yes song for the first time, it feels like that. I
went through phase when I started listening to rock music.
JohnB
> On Nov 25, 1:55 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > David Schwartz <who4e...@optonline.net> wrote:
> > > Yes rocks, in their own way, like no other band rocks. Now remember,
> > > this is coming from a lifetime Who fan, but I am also a lifetime Yes
> > > fan, since the first time I heard them. Their music is like no
> > > other. Its delicate, ferocious, melodic, complex, simple,
> > > intelligent, spiritual, and more, but that's enough for now. Their
> > > members are either the best or in the top five of best for their
> > > instruments. Jon's voice is like no other. Granted, if you don't
> > > care for his voice, or Yes music for that matter, I understand-it
> > > does not sit well with everyone. But for those of us who
> > > fortunately, get it, they are as unbelievable as The Who.
>
> > But can you dance to it? For the most part, I think not. To me, much
> > of Yes's music comes across as *pretentiously* complex. Complexity for
> > its own sake.
>
> wow................ have you really heard Yes.... ever? This is
> something you would call to describe Dream Theater... not Yes. I guess
> you might hate Mahavishnu Orchestra as well.
>
If you know Yes like you claim to, you would know that Yes are guilty
of the charge. They write stuff that is deliberately complex - and
therefore they are open to the accusation of being pretentious. I
mean, Topographic Oceans? Enough said.
Dale Houstman
Only when I'm paid...doesn't happen very often!
dmh
Char1ie
Interesting list. I was supprised to see "Buffalo Springfield" made
the list but "The Byrds" did not.
Char1ie
<the.big.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
>You like redheads, Raja like blondes and I like brunettes.
>
>Vive la differance !
>
>I love the Who, the Beatles, Fleetwood Mac, Eagles, Van Halen,
>etc but perhaps my favorite is .....
>
>Bill Haley and the Comets !
Raja would only say he liked Bill Haley and the Comets if he had read
a story about Bill that said he did too much acid and cracked up, got
kicked out of the band and died a recluse. Then he would proclaim
Bill Haley a missunderstood genius who was the greatest rock singer in
the world. Everyone else is ignorant for not understanding this. He
would be posting youtube videos of "Shake, Rattle and Roll", and
adding him to every list he makes up.
Superdave
Superdave
Superdave
<the.big.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
real rock n roll
Superdave
Superdave
<the.big.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
the incomparable mr chuck berry !!!
Superdave
RichL
Five "experts" come up with a list like this, and I don't expect it to
be very credible. Hell, in this case one of them runs a speaker
company! In what sense does he have any expertise required to judge
"Technical Ability"?
I suspect that Raja chose this list because Yes made the top 20. Take
away the "Technical Ability" category and the "Innovation" category (one
of which is nearly irrelevant and the other of which is so subjective as
to be laughable), and Yes drops off the bottom.
It's a friggin' joke, man. Not only that the Byrds aren't even on it,
as you mentioned, but Stone Temple Pilots is the highest-ranked
post-1990 band at #13 but Radiohead's all the way down at #90? Hey, I
love STP but I've got the sense to distinguish what I like from what's
"great".
I suspect that STP's so high because they're more "classic-rock"
oriented than most of the post-90s bands and this site, like every other
site that Raja links to, is dominated by classic-rock dinosaurs.
Superdave
<the.big.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
Chuck Berry & Bo Diddley Together LIVE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpT8Sd9wRlQ
It doesn't get any better than this even today.
Superdave
<the.big.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
that's MR Bo Diddley to you Raja ....
Superdave
<the.big.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
the real "authentic" rock and roll !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9GcvlC6484
Legends of Rock and Roll - All Star Jam
Superdave
<the.big.r...@gmail.com> wrote:
Damn Good Golly Miss Molly
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ6h0kyqSRk
Lucille - little Richard
bubba
YES IS NOT ROCK YOU GAY INDIAN
bubba
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KILL YOURSELF
bubba
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SUCK MY VAGINA! Oh, wait you've never seen one.
bubba
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SMOKE A FAT POLE
bubba
wrote:
> On Nov 25, 9:19 am, "David Schwartz" <who4e...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> > Yes rocks, in their own way, like no other band rocks. Now remember, this
> > is coming from a lifetime Who fan, but I am also a lifetime Yes fan, since
> > the first time I heard them. Their music is like no other. Its delicate,
> > ferocious, melodic, complex, simple, intelligent, spiritual, and more, but
> > that's enough for now.
>
>
> > Their members are either the best or in the top five
> > of best for their instruments. Jon's voice is like no other. Granted, if
> > you don't care for his voice, or Yes music for that matter, I understand-it
> > does not sit well with everyone. But for those of us who fortunately, get
> > it, they are as unbelievable as The Who.
>
> The Who very much.
>
>
>
>
>
> > --
> > David Schwartz
> > Commack, NY- Hide quoted text -
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DIE
bubba
wrote:
> On Nov 25, 9:11 am, Jeff <yourimageunre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > On Nov 25, 8:42 am, "Ivan \"Maximus\" Lendl" <zepflo...@gmail.com>> > No offense, but if you talk about something besides
> > the same 10 bands (or whatever)
>
> But those 10 bands (Beatles, Stones, Who, Floyd, Purple, Zeppelin,
> Yes, Sabbath AC/DC, Rush) are among the top 10 bands ever... so lot
> more fun. Ask the folks in rst to talk about the likes of Medvedev/
> Clement/Noah/Schuttler instead of Connors/Borg/McEnroe/Lendl/Federer/
> Nadal. And they won't.
>
> > I'll be happy to
> > participate. And I don't know enough about yes
> > to comment.
>
> Too bad, that you don't know one of top 10 best and greatest rock
> bands ever. Go educate yourself!
SUCK DICK
bubba
wrote:
> On Nov 25, 9:10 am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:07:46 +0800, Superdave
>
> > <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ><zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>On Nov 25, 8:47 am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>> <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> >How is this not rock?
>
> > >>> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHr3LxfjpfI
>
>
> > >>garbage like Federer's backhand...lol... anyone who thinks Eagles is
> > >>the best band ever simply doesnt have a ear... or is a wuss.
>
> > >i didn't say the eagles are the best band ever. just better than the
> > >one you said was the best band ever. big difference.
>
> >http://www.avrev.com/top-100-bands-of-all-time/top-10-rock-bands/inde...
>
>
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YES IS GARBAGE
ermitano
yes, we're not rock
Dale Houstman
I Am A Rock...
dmh
Jeff
> On Nov 25, 9:24 am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:10:46 +0800, Superdave
>
> > <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:07:46 +0800, Superdave
> > ><the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >><zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>On Nov 25, 8:47 am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>> <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>> >How is this not rock?
>
> > >>>> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHr3LxfjpfI
>
>
> > >>>garbage like Federer's backhand...lol... anyone who thinks Eagles is
> > >>>the best band ever simply doesnt have a ear... or is a wuss.
>
> > >>i didn't say the eagles are the best band ever. just better than the
> > >>one you said was the best band ever. big difference.
>
> > >http://www.avrev.com/top-100-bands-of-all-time/top-10-rock-bands/inde...
>
> numbers which are all wrong. RIAA doesnt even include Deep Purple and
> they have sold 100 million records worldwide. And many bands have sold
> a lot outside the US. ABBA has sold 13 million in US and 350 million
> outside US.
>
> Remove that bullshit US Sales criterion and Eagles are toast. Yes has
> 388 points and Eagles only 377 points.
>
> And it is retarded that he gave Van Halen so many points. And what the
> fuck are Stone Temple Pilots doing at 13? They are the most hated
> grunge band ever.
Not by the people that like them.
Whisper
Raja is a cock.
Jeff
> On 25 Nov, 20:58, Ivan Maximus Lendl <zepflo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 25, 1:55 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Yes rocks, in their own way, like no other band rocks. Now remember,
> > > > this is coming from a lifetime Who fan, but I am also a lifetime Yes
> > > > fan, since the first time I heard them. Their music is like no
> > > > other. Its delicate, ferocious, melodic, complex, simple,
> > > > members are either the best or in the top five of best for their
> > > > instruments. Jon's voice is like no other. Granted, if you don't
> > > > care for his voice, or Yes music for that matter, I understand-it
> > > > does not sit well with everyone. But for those of us who
> > > > fortunately, get it, they are as unbelievable as The Who.
>
> > > of Yes's music comes across as *pretentiously* complex. Complexity for
> > > its own sake.
>
> > wow................ have you really heard Yes.... ever? This is
> > something you would call to describe Dream Theater... not Yes. I guess
> > you might hate Mahavishnu Orchestra as well.
>
> of the charge. They write stuff that is deliberately complex - and
> therefore they are open to the accusation of being pretentious.
That was my thought..but you said it better, John.
Dale Houstman
This might be true, but you should consider the fact (bolstered by tons
of evidence) that Raja likes being called names. Why give him his just
desserts if he only grows fat upon them?
dmh
globular
If it's got a beat and you can dance to it, then it passes.
David Schwartz
masterpiece. It just doesn't reach you, not that there's anything wrong
with that. Bach and Beethoven rub a lot of people the wrong way too.
"JohnB" <john...@tinyworld.co.uk> wrote in message
news:d08ecc36-4e2b-4219...@k19g2000yqc.googlegroups.com...
therefore they are open to the accusation of being pretentious. I
mean, Topographic Oceans? Enough said.
RichL
> On Nov 25, 1:55 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > David Schwartz <who4e...@optonline.net> wrote:
> > > Yes rocks, in their own way, like no other band rocks. Now remember,
> > > this is coming from a lifetime Who fan, but I am also a lifetime Yes
> > > fan, since the first time I heard them. Their music is like no
> > > other. Its delicate, ferocious, melodic, complex, simple,
> > > intelligent, spiritual, and more, but that's enough for now. Their
> > > members are either the best or in the top five of best for their
> > > instruments. Jon's voice is like no other. Granted, if you don't
> > > care for his voice, or Yes music for that matter, I understand-it
> > > does not sit well with everyone. But for those of us who
> > > fortunately, get it, they are as unbelievable as The Who.
>
> > But can you dance to it? For the most part, I think not. To me, much
> > of Yes's music comes across as *pretentiously* complex. Complexity for
> > its own sake.
>
> wow................ have you really heard Yes.... ever? This is
> something you would call to describe Dream Theater... not Yes. I guess
> you might hate Mahavishnu Orchestra as well.
Silly fool, I don't "hate" yes, I have two of their albums, but you
knew that already since I've mentioned it numerous times.
Your problem is that you can't handle a bit of honesty, any criticism
of your favorites is regarded as a personal attack. Sorry but the
criticism rings true, in fact I'd say Yes has elements in common with
Dream Theater. Mahavishnu, not so much, it's a different genre where
there's genuine improvisation.
>
> > "Best or in the top five of best"? Setting aside for the moment that
> > such an assessment is highly subjective, I think the only member for
> > whom an *objective* case can be made
>
> Yeah your objective analysis is all the Beatles are in the top 5 in
> the categories... kindly fuck off with your objective analysis
The categories are ridiculous for the most part, incapable of being
judged objectively.
And by the way, your remark simply reinforces the image of you being a
whiny little boy sucking on a lollipop and just wanting people to pat
you on the head.
Grow up.
>
> >-- within the narrow confines of
> > classic rock, even -- is Chris Squire. And even there, to me he takes a
> > back seat to Entwistle.
>
> Entwistle, Squire, Lee (Geddy), John Paul Jones are all in the same
> level. You can interchange their #s.
Maybe, maybe not. A lot of this simply reduces to personal taste.
My own view is that JPJ doesn't quite make the cut to be mentioned
with Enwistle, Lee, and Squire. YMMV.
RichL
> You are exactly the type of person I'm talking about. Tales is a
> masterpiece.
Seriously, are you Raja in disguise? Someone is "the type of person I'm
talking about" because he/she disagrees with your tastes in music?
Don't you think it's rather infantile to get bent out of shape because
another person likes different music than you do?
Dale Houstman
"The Danube Waltz" and "I Don't Want Her, You Can Have Her, She's Too
Fat For Me" are rock?!
I've got to reorganize my music collection again...
dmh
Ivan "Maximus" Lendl
> Char1ie <j...@blow.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:10:46 +0800, Superdave
> > <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>> i didn't say the eagles are the best band ever. just better than the
> >>> one you said was the best band ever. big difference.
>
>
>
>
> > Interesting list. I was supprised to see "Buffalo Springfield" made
> > the list but "The Byrds" did not.
>
> Five "experts" come up with a list like this, and I don't expect it to
> be very credible. Hell, in this case one of them runs a speaker
> company! In what sense does he have any expertise required to judge
> "Technical Ability"?
>
> I suspect that Raja chose this list because Yes made the top 20.
No GOAT list of mine, will ever have Yes below 2. Top 3 are fixed in
my opinion. Led Zeppelin, Yes and Pink Floyd in that order.
>Take
> away the "Technical Ability" category and the "Innovation" category (one
> of which is nearly irrelevant and the other of which is so subjective as
> to be laughable), and Yes drops off the bottom.
>
> It's a friggin' joke, man. Not only that the Byrds aren't even on it,
> as you mentioned, but Stone Temple Pilots is the highest-ranked
> post-1990 band at #13 but Radiohead's all the way down at #90? Hey, I
> love STP but I've got the sense to distinguish what I like from what's
> "great".
>
> I suspect that STP's so high because they're more "classic-rock"
> oriented than most of the post-90s bands and this site, like every other
> site that Raja links to, is dominated by classic-rock dinosaurs.
were you dropped on your head? I hate grunge with a passion. The only
band I like which is conidered grunge (but really isnt) is Alice in
Chains.
globular
> globular wrote:
>> Ivan "Maximus" Lendl wrote:
>>> How is this not rock?
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHr3LxfjpfI
>>
>> If it's got a beat and you can dance to it, then it passes.
>
>
> "The Danube Waltz" and "I Don't Want Her, You Can Have Her, She's Too
> Fat For Me" are rock?!
>
I can argue if they have much of a beat though.
Maybe they are.
> I've got to reorganize my music collection again...
If you don't label them properly you won't know what you are listening to.
>
> dmh
Dale Houstman
> Dale Houstman wrote:
>> globular wrote:
>>> Ivan "Maximus" Lendl wrote:
>>>> How is this not rock?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHr3LxfjpfI
>>>
>>> If it's got a beat and you can dance to it, then it passes.
>>
>>
>> "The Danube Waltz" and "I Don't Want Her, You Can Have Her, She's Too
>> Fat For Me" are rock?!
>>
>
> I can argue if they have much of a beat though.
> Maybe they are.
I won't argue that the waltz has a beat (although - like most music - it
does, though not a rock beat), but polka is almost nothing but
beat)...and it ain't rock. Like so many statements that try to define a
complex idea in succinct form, yours isn't quite "it".
>
>> I've got to reorganize my music collection again...
>
> If you don't label them properly you won't know what you are listening to.
Well - no - but if your collection is large enough and you don't apply
some minimal organizing system to it, you might now be able to initially
find what you want to listen to.
dmh
The Arranger
wrote:
> No GOAT list of mine, will ever have Yes below 2. Top 3 are fixed in
> my opinion. Led Zeppelin, Yes and Pink Floyd in that order.
Duly noted. No need to post about it anymore, then?
The Arranger
JohnB
... but sad, isn't it, that some people think that all the great music
has already been made?
For me, one of the greatest pleasures in life is hearing something
new, a piece of music that touches somewhere inside. It can arrive
from unexpected places too.
Jales
wrote:
> How is this not rock?
One thing is being a rock band, and another is being a band that plays
rock songs.. Sometimes both things go together, and sometimes not...
bubba
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
GO SUCK SOME MORE DICK LITTLE GAY BOY
RichL
wrote:
> were you dropped on your head? I hate grunge with a passion. The only
> band I like which is conidered grunge (but really isnt) is Alice in
> Chains.
That's nice. I don't care what you "conider" (heh) grunge or what you
like or don't. The point was, even the narrow-minded dinosaur rockers
that dominate the web sites that you selectively snip your lists from
recognize the connection between STP and classic rock, even if you're
too dense to see it.
Oh, by the way, why isn't Alice in Chains grunge? (This ought to be
good...)
number_six
Yes, great discoveries are the reward for those who do not become
jaded, and who keep sifting, keep searching, and keep listening.
MACK DADDY
> On Nov 25, 8:42 am, "Ivan \"Maximus\" Lendl" <zepflo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > How is this not rock?
>
>
> YES IS NOT ROCK AND YOU SWALLOW SEMEN
Yes IS rock! Just because they don't sound like Black Sabbath doesn't
mean they aren't rock!
MACK DADDY
> Yes rocks, in their own way, like no other band rocks. Now remember, this
> is coming from a lifetime Who fan, but I am also a lifetime Yes fan, since
> the first time I heard them. Their music is like no other. Its delicate,
> ferocious, melodic, complex, simple, intelligent, spiritual, and more, but
> that's enough for now. Their members are either the best or in the top five
> of best for their instruments. Jon's voice is like no other. Granted, if
> you don't care for his voice, or Yes music for that matter, I understand-it
> does not sit well with everyone. But for those of us who fortunately, get
> it, they are as unbelievable as The Who.
>
> David Schwartz
> Commack, NY
That is two really great bands, no doubt! I love them both!
MACK DADDY
> Ivan "Maximus" Lendl wrote:
> > How is this not rock?
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHr3LxfjpfI
>
> obvious that Yes belongs to the "R&R" era, and are among the pantheon of
> 60s "rock" stars, I can only conjecture that you are electing them (on
> the basis of this performance) to a more tighter category of songs that
> are "rocking": i.e. "swinging with force." As far as "rocking" songs go,
> this one isn't. It's expansive and (as per usual for Yes) poetically
> epic, but it doesn't really "rock," but moves more like a classical
> piece done with electric instruments. Or "prog"...
>
> dmh
Everyone will have their own opinions when it comes to categorizing
bands. I guess to be specific one could say Yes classically rocks.
I'm not too big on categorizing because there are so many nuances. I
just love the music, whatever one choses to call it.
MACK DADDY
> On Nov 25, 9:24 am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:10:46 +0800, Superdave
>
> > <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ><the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 07:04:09 -0800 (PST), "Ivan \"Maximus\" Lendl"
> > >><zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >>>On Nov 25, 8:47 am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 06:42:51 -0800 (PST), "Ivan \"Maximus\" Lendl"
>
> > >>>> >How is this not rock?
>
> > >>>> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHr3LxfjpfI
>
>
> > >>>garbage like Federer's backhand...lol... anyone who thinks Eagles is
> > >>>the best band ever simply doesnt have a ear... or is a wuss.
>
> > >>one you said was the best band ever. big difference.
>
> > >http://www.avrev.com/top-100-bands-of-all-time/top-10-rock-bands/inde...
>
> numbers which are all wrong. RIAA doesnt even include Deep Purple and
> they have sold 100 million records worldwide. And many bands have sold
> a lot outside the US. ABBA has sold 13 million in US and 350 million
> outside US.
>
> Remove that bullshit US Sales criterion and Eagles are toast. Yes has
> 388 points and Eagles only 377 points.
>
> And it is retarded that he gave Van Halen so many points. And what the
> fuck are Stone Temple Pilots doing at 13? They are the most hated
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hey now! Stone Temple Pilots are cool!
MACK DADDY
> On Nov 25, 1:55 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Yes rocks, in their own way, like no other band rocks. Now remember,
> > > this is coming from a lifetime Who fan, but I am also a lifetime Yes
> > > fan, since the first time I heard them. Their music is like no
> > > other. Its delicate, ferocious, melodic, complex, simple,
> > > intelligent, spiritual, and more, but that's enough for now. Their
> > > members are either the best or in the top five of best for their
> > > instruments. Jon's voice is like no other. Granted, if you don't
> > > care for his voice, or Yes music for that matter, I understand-it
> > > does not sit well with everyone. But for those of us who
> > > fortunately, get it, they are as unbelievable as The Who.
>
> > of Yes's music comes across as *pretentiously* complex. Complexity for
> > its own sake.
>
> wow................ have you really heard Yes.... ever? This is
> something you would call to describe Dream Theater... not Yes. I guess
> you might hate Mahavishnu Orchestra as well.
>
>
>
> > such an assessment is highly subjective, I think the only member for
> > whom an *objective* case can be made
>
> Yeah your objective analysis is all the Beatles are in the top 5 in
> the categories... kindly fuck off with your objective analysis
>
> > classic rock, even -- is Chris Squire. And even there, to me he takes a
> > back seat to Entwistle.
>
> Entwistle, Squire, Lee (Geddy), John Paul Jones are all in the same
> level. You can interchange their #s.
>
>
>
>
>
> > yourself up as a genuine music critic, eh?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
I like Dream Theater too!
MACK DADDY
> On 25 Nov, 20:58, Ivan Maximus Lendl <zepflo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 25, 1:55 pm, "RichL" <rpleav...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > David Schwartz <who4e...@optonline.net> wrote:
> > > > Yes rocks, in their own way, like no other band rocks. Now remember,
> > > > this is coming from a lifetime Who fan, but I am also a lifetime Yes
> > > > fan, since the first time I heard them. Their music is like no
> > > > other. Its delicate, ferocious, melodic, complex, simple,
> > > > intelligent, spiritual, and more, but that's enough for now. Their
> > > > members are either the best or in the top five of best for their
> > > > instruments. Jon's voice is like no other. Granted, if you don't
> > > > care for his voice, or Yes music for that matter, I understand-it
> > > > does not sit well with everyone. But for those of us who
> > > > fortunately, get it, they are as unbelievable as The Who.
>
> > > But can you dance to it? For the most part, I think not. To me, much
> > > of Yes's music comes across as *pretentiously* complex. Complexity for
> > > its own sake.
>
> > wow................ have you really heard Yes.... ever? This is
> > something you would call to describe Dream Theater... not Yes. I guess
> > you might hate Mahavishnu Orchestra as well.
>
> of the charge. They write stuff that is deliberately complex - and
> therefore they are open to the accusation of being pretentious. I
>
> - Show quoted text -
That's one album! And they have admitted to that one being a bit over
the top. You can't judge a band that's been around for 40 years based
on their most extreme album.
Dale Houstman
Yes...and no. Personally I don't care what genre Yes "fits" in, and thus
wouldn't initiate a conversation on such. But if the question arises (as
it has) about a certain Yes song and whether or not it "rocks" I think
it not too extreme to be part of that discussion, and to attempt some
definition. At any rate here, where the original post is a blatant try
at definitely placing Yes (or another group) in the category of "rock,"
my response is precisely one which undercuts such easy slotting, by
noting that the word "rock" (and where it applies) is not a simple
thing, and by further making a go at separating out the various meanings
of that word and how it colors the assertion. Since I basically ended up
saying "yes, Yes is rock" AND "no, this song doesn't rock" I can hardly
be accused of easy categorization.
dmh
dmh
Jeff Blanks
> Don't you think it's rather infantile to get bent out of shape because
> another person likes different music than you do?
Yeah, but this talk about "pretentiousness" and "intentional complexity"
is mis-directed--as if it's automatically some sort of artistic sin to
go beyond some objectively determinable level of complexity. Tell
me--exactly what is the level of complexity at which things get
"pretentious" and "intentionally complex"? It's not as if Yes' music is
anywhere near the most complex ever made.
--
"When someone serves you coffee, don't go looking for beer in it."
--Anton Chekhov
Dale Houstman
> "RichL" <rple...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Don't you think it's rather infantile to get bent out of shape because
>> another person likes different music than you do?
>
> Yeah, but this talk about "pretentiousness" and "intentional complexity"
> is mis-directed--as if it's automatically some sort of artistic sin to
> go beyond some objectively determinable level of complexity. Tell
> me--exactly what is the level of complexity at which things get
> "pretentious" and "intentionally complex"? It's not as if Yes' music is
> anywhere near the most complex ever made.
>
The application of "pretentious" to any work of art is a multi-plex
thing (and always a matter of subjective opinion, although a LOT of
individual subjective opinions add up to a consensus): Yes' music is
obviously not the most complex music every made - by far - but we're
talking about its "rock" qualities, and - compared to most rock music -
it is - perhaps - overly complex to "rock," if one means by that to
easily promote dance. "Pretension" also arises if the performers are -
as suggested - intentionally making their art more complex simply
because they can, and because it lends an air of artistic importance,
rather than allowing these complexities to emanate from strictly
aesthetic concerns. Again, whether or not Yes is doing this might be a
matter of opinion. Are there lyrical/thematic pretensions, in which the
delineation of either "Big Ideas" (usually beyond their pay level) or
purposeful ambiguities are consistently trotted out to obscure the fact
that the performers are just pub house yobbos. After all "Big Ideas" are
often best expressed/explored via lyrical and musical simplicity, so an
artificial intricacy might be mere window-dressing for a load of carp.
And so on.
dmh
RichL
> "RichL" <rple...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Don't you think it's rather infantile to get bent out of shape
>> because another person likes different music than you do?
>
> Yeah, but this talk about "pretentiousness" and "intentional
> complexity" is mis-directed--as if it's automatically some sort of
> artistic sin to go beyond some objectively determinable level of
> complexity.
No, it's not automatically a "sin", it's obviously a subjective
assessment. And the statement is made within the confines of "rock"
music, which the discussion is about.
> Tell me--exactly what is the level of complexity at
> which things get "pretentious" and "intentionally complex"? It's not
> as if Yes' music is anywhere near the most complex ever made.
No, it's not, but again it rises to the top in terms of complexity
within *rock*, so much so that it barely meets the definition any more.
This isn't necessarily a bad thing -- similar judgements can be made
concerning some of Pink Floyd's music. And I *do* like both and can
listen to the more lengthy, meandering pieces at times, depending on my
mood.
Godolphin&fellow
> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 06:42:51 -0800 (PST), "Ivan \"Maximus\" Lendl"
>
> >How is this not rock?
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHr3LxfjpfI
>
"They pelted us (Yes fans) with rocks and garbage." - At least _that_
ought to appeal to someone naming himself Superdave'.
Superdave
My dogs sing better than that at the full moon. No joke.
Godolphin&fellow
> > be found; otherwise it's personal opinion. Why do you have to use
> > terms of abuse towards anyone who disagrees with you?
> > FWIW, some Yes tracks are "rocky" IMHO but that isn't the heart of
> > what they do/did.
>
> And I wouldn't say that this song "rocks". It meanders. It's
> interesting in its own right though.
I guess Jon Anderson (of Yes) meant much the same when, describing
classical music, he said 'It breathes'.
...The opposite affect is a criticism levelable against *most* popular
rock music, like AC/DC or Nirvana etc, which starts out in a full
sprint, huffing and puffing, and ends, all worn out, in much the same
way.
Ivan "Maximus" Lendl
hold on did you just say Jon Anderson has a lousy voice and your dog
has a better voice?
Ivan "Maximus" Lendl
They are pretty cool, but they don't have as much respect (even among
grunge fans) to be at #13 all time.
Superdave
yup
bubba
wrote:
> On Nov 29, 8:55 pm, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Sun, 29 Nov 2009 18:48:15 -0800 (PST), "Godolphin&fellow"
>
> > <g4...@netscape.net> wrote:
> > >On Nov 25, 9:47 am, Superdave <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 06:42:51 -0800 (PST), "Ivan \"Maximus\" Lendl"
>
> > >> <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >How is this not rock?
>
> > >> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHr3LxfjpfI
>
> > >> er .... that's not rock. that's garbage.
>
> > > "They pelted us (Yes fans) with rocks and garbage." - At least _that_
> > >ought to appeal to someone naming himself Superdave'.
>
> > My dogs sing better than that at the full moon. No joke.
>
> hold on did you just say Jon Anderson has a lousy voice and your dog
>
> - Show quoted text -
STFU LITTLE GAY MONKEY BOY
bubba
>
> - Show quoted text -
WRONG
Howldog
> Nothing like using a phrase like that to set
> yourself up as a genuine music critic, eh?
A "genuine" rock music critic to me, should be a rock musician with some
sort of professional experience.
That opinion pisses a lot of people off, especially those with no said
experience.
And guess what... I really dont care.
stuth...@comcast.net
I got tired of Yes 20 years ago.
I loved them a lot in the 1970s. Saw them repeatedly from 1977
through 1989. Never since.
Owned most of their albums on LP, including Anderson's and Squire's
solo albums and quite a few by Wakeman.
Never bought any on CD, although I've recently given it some thought
if any are cheap enough on Amazon.
Just got tired of them. Bored to distraction. It's not like they're
BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN or anything.
Howldog
> If you know Yes like you claim to, you would know that Yes are guilty
> of the charge. They write stuff that is deliberately complex - and
> therefore they are open to the accusation of being pretentious.
'
Who actually came up with this definition of complex music being
Pretentious?
Some rock critic who simply couldnt play it?
Makes sense to me.
Theres nothing wrong, in my opinion, with complex, or even "overly-complex"
music, just like theres nothing wrong with simple or even "overly-simple"
music. Its just music, to me.
Howldog
> You are exactly the type of person I'm talking about. Tales is a
> masterpiece of excrutiating boredom.
there, fixed it for you.
Howldog
> "Pretension" also arises if the performers are -
> as suggested - intentionally making their art more complex simply
> because they can, and because it lends an air of artistic importance,
> rather than allowing these complexities to emanate from strictly
> aesthetic concerns.
Maybe they simply enjoyed listening to, and playing, music with
unconventional time signatures. Maybe they were bored stiff with 4/4.
richforman
wrote:
> How is this not rock?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHr3LxfjpfI
They were great - great clip.
richforman
richforman
>
Yeah, I have found increasingly that I am more interested in hearing
and checking out music that is new to me, even just once or twice,
than listening again to stuff that I am already familiar with. Maybe
it's because getting older gives me a sense of having less time to
waste!
richforman
richforman
> On Nov 25, 8:42 am, "Ivan \"Maximus\" Lendl" <zepflo...@gmail.com>> No offense, but if you talk about something besides
> the same 10 bands (or whatever) I'll be happy to
> participate. And I don't know enough about yes
> to comment.
Jeff, you should go ahead and offend him.
richforman
richforman
> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:37:28 +0800, Superdave
>
>
>
>
>
> <the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:20:41 +0800, Superdave
> ><the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 08:17:12 +0800, Superdave
> >><the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 19:06:37 -0500, Char1ie <j...@blow.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>On Wed, 25 Nov 2009 23:28:58 +0800, Superdave
> >>>><the.big.rst.kah...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>>You like redheads, Raja like blondes and I like brunettes.
>
> >>>>>Vive la differance !
>
> >>>>>I love the Who, the Beatles, Fleetwood Mac, Eagles, Van Halen,
> >>>>>etc but perhaps my favorite is .....
>
> >>>>>Bill Haley and the Comets !
>
> >>>>Raja would only say he liked Bill Haley and the Comets if he had read
> >>>>a story about Bill that said he did too much acid and cracked up, got
> >>>>kicked out of the band and died a recluse. Then he would proclaim
> >>>>Bill Haley a missunderstood genius who was the greatest rock singer in
> >>>>the world. Everyone else is ignorant for not understanding this. He
> >>>>would be posting youtube videos of "Shake, Rattle and Roll", and
> >>>>adding him to every list he makes up.
>
> >>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpT8Sd9wRlQ
>
> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=74i6iv2y_eY
>
> >the incomparable mr chuck berry !!!
>
> >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpT8Sd9wRlQ
>
> Chuck Berry & Bo Diddley Together LIVE
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpT8Sd9wRlQ
>
> It doesn't get any better than this even today.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Check Berry and Bo Diddley of course are among the "GOAT" as Rodgah
might say. Let's all remember that it is no contradiction to also
love and appreciate Yes and still loathe and mock Raja, I am living
proof.
richforman
who?
Yeah, Rich, but then the flaming would go back and
forth. It makes me tired to even think about it. :-)
Jeff