List of all the songs Led Zeppelin stole completely, from beginning to end
Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl
I Can't Quit You Baby and You Shook Me were properly credited as
Willie Dixon covers, so they don't count. Also We're Gonna Groove is a
live cover of Ben E King and James Bethea. And it was properly
credited to them. So doesn't count. Also the two live Eddie Cochran
covers Something Else and Cmon Everybody were always considered covers
and properly credited to Eddie.
So excluding these 5 songs that Led Zeppelin performed or recorded,
what else is a complete rip off? Please provide proper evidence.
Youtube links to original songs may suffice. The haters have the best
chance here.
I do NOT consider borrowed lyrics as stealing. Many blues artists have
constantly done that. Tell me, if they stole the entire instrumental
section from a song.
So far my list has none!
PS: I did listen to Taurus by Spirit. Its a good short instrumental
song and some of it sounds a bit like some of the music on Stairway to
Heaven. But Taurus is such a short song. And Stairway To Heaven is
much longer and has so many different parts to it. So there is no way
one can say that Stairway To Heaven is a complete rip off of Taurus
This is Taurus by Spirit
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogTFdlbup24
This is Stairway to Heaven by Led Zeppelin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9TGj2jrJk8
Basically if you listen from 0.45 to 2:37, you will notice that the
acoustic guitar riff is similar to Jimmy Page's intro on acoustic
guitar on Stairway To Heaven (from 0.00 to 2:15). But thats where the
similarity ends. Spirit's riff is milder and repetitive, Jimmy expands
on that acoustic intro and it is much longer and bombastic. Also there
is no accompanying recorder (played by John Paul Jones) on Taurus. So
the feel is different.
So I guess we can exclude Stairway to Heaven as well. Only partially
stolen (about a minute of it) and only serves as an intro which is not
the crux of the song. There is a lot more to the song than the
acoustic intro, after all.
williemeikle
wrote:
> List the original songs as well.
>
> I Can't Quit You Baby and You Shook Me were properly credited as
> Willie Dixon covers, so they don't count. Also We're Gonna Groove is a
> live cover of Ben E King and James Bethea. And it was properly
> credited to them. So doesn't count. Also the two live Eddie Cochran
> covers Something Else and Cmon Everybody were always considered covers
> and properly credited to Eddie.
>
> So excluding these 5 songs that Led Zeppelin performed or recorded,
> what else is a complete rip off? Please provide proper evidence.
> Youtube links to original songs may suffice. The haters have the best
> chance here.
>
Buy this. Then you'll never have to bother the rec.sport.tennis group
with your ignorance ever again.
Led Zeppelin: Dazed and Confused: The Stories Behind Every Song, by
Chris Welch, ISBN 1-56025-818-7
--
Willie
Lucky
> List the original songs as well.
>
> I Can't Quit You Baby and You Shook Me were properly credited as
> Willie Dixon covers, so they don't count. Also We're Gonna Groove is a
> live cover of Ben E King and James Bethea. And it was properly
> credited to them. So doesn't count. Also the two live Eddie Cochran
> covers Something Else and Cmon Everybody were always considered covers
> and properly credited to Eddie.
>
> So excluding these 5 songs that Led Zeppelin performed or recorded,
> what else is a complete rip off? �Please provide proper evidence.
> Youtube links to original songs may suffice. The haters have the best
> chance here.
>
> I do NOT consider borrowed lyrics as stealing. Many blues artists have
> constantly done that. Tell me, if they stole the entire instrumental
> section from a song.
>
> So far my list has none!
>
> PS: I did listen to Taurus by Spirit. Its a good short instrumental
> song and some of it sounds a bit like some of the music on Stairway to
> Heaven. But Taurus is such a short song. And Stairway To Heaven is
> much longer and has so many different parts to it. So there is no way
> one can say that Stairway To Heaven is a complete rip off of Taurus
>
>
> This is Stairway to Heaven by Led Zeppelinhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9TGj2jrJk8
>
> Basically if you listen from 0.45 to 2:37, you will notice that the
> acoustic guitar riff is similar to Jimmy Page's intro on acoustic
> guitar on Stairway To Heaven (from 0.00 to 2:15). �But thats where the
> similarity ends. Spirit's riff is milder and repetitive, Jimmy expands
> on that acoustic intro and it is much longer and bombastic. Also there
> is no accompanying recorder (played by John Paul Jones) on Taurus. So
> the feel is different.
>
> So I guess we can exclude Stairway to Heaven as well. Only partially
> stolen (about a minute of it) and only serves as an intro which is not
> the crux of the song. There is a lot more to the song than the
> acoustic intro, after all.
Most bands "lifted" either consciously or unconsciously other's stuff,
which in turn was probably lifted from someone else. Some even lifted
from themselves.
So what you are saying is Zeppelin was a fraud. I Can't Quit You Baby
and You Shook Me are two of my favorite songs, regardless of who
originally wrote them.
Me
nothing of importance again:
> List the original songs as well.
>
> I Can't Quit You Baby and You Shook Me were properly credited as
> Willie Dixon covers, so they don't count. Also We're Gonna Groove is a
> live cover of Ben E King and James Bethea. And it was properly
> credited to them. So doesn't count. Also the two live Eddie Cochran
> covers Something Else and Cmon Everybody were always considered covers
> and properly credited to Eddie.
>
> So excluding these 5 songs that Led Zeppelin performed or recorded,
> what else is a complete rip off? �Please provide proper evidence.
> Youtube links to original songs may suffice. The haters have the best
> chance here.
>
> I do NOT consider borrowed lyrics as stealing. Many blues artists have
> constantly done that. Tell me, if they stole the entire instrumental
> section from a song.
>
> So far my list has none!
>
> PS: I did listen to Taurus by Spirit. Its a good short instrumental
> song and some of it sounds a bit like some of the music on Stairway to
> Heaven. But Taurus is such a short song. And Stairway To Heaven is
> much longer and has so many different parts to it. So there is no way
> one can say that Stairway To Heaven is a complete rip off of Taurus
>
>
> This is Stairway to Heaven by Led Zeppelinhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9TGj2jrJk8
>
> Basically if you listen from 0.45 to 2:37, you will notice that the
> acoustic guitar riff is similar to Jimmy Page's intro on acoustic
> guitar on Stairway To Heaven (from 0.00 to 2:15). �But thats where the
> similarity ends. Spirit's riff is milder and repetitive, Jimmy expands
> on that acoustic intro and it is much longer and bombastic. Also there
> is no accompanying recorder (played by John Paul Jones) on Taurus. So
> the feel is different.
>
> So I guess we can exclude Stairway to Heaven as well. Only partially
> stolen (about a minute of it) and only serves as an intro which is not
> the crux of the song. There is a lot more to the song than the
> acoustic intro, after all.
Shouldn't you be figuring out ways to get your mother out of the house
so that you can have a free mastubration?
Fuck off you unwashed marble mouthed untouchable
Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl
I have this, my friends give it as a gift to me. Nice book. I loved
reading it.
Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl
I am not. I am their biggest fan.
RichL
> I do NOT consider borrowed lyrics as stealing.
So you're admitting up front that you're stacking the deck.
Lyrics and melody are the two main factors in successful plagiarism
suits. You may not consider it stealing, but the law does.
> Many blues artists have constantly done that.
That's nice. Those artists were not wealthy in their own time and
didn't have access to high-cost attorneys and major record labels who
could tell them that copping songs without proper attribution is WRONG
according to the law. Unlike LZ, particularly Page who worked as a
session guy constantly before he joined The Yardbirds and should have
known better. DID know better.
am gay@igay.gay Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl
> Shouldn't you be figuring out ways to get your mother out of the house so
> that you can have a free mastubration?
We lube our vag's together.
am gay@igay.gay Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl
"RichL" <rple...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl <zepf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I do NOT consider borrowed lyrics as stealing.
>
> So you're admitting up front that you're stacking the deck.
I admit lubing my vag.
DGDevin
"Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl" <zepf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> I do NOT consider borrowed lyrics as stealing.
Which makes you a moron. Led Zep was repeatedly and successfully sued for
stealing music from other artists, so your childish attempt to slide around
that by changing definitions is meaningless. Led Zep was a great band, but
they repeatedly took music written by other musicians and claimed it as
their own work, and they got caught, and when they were sued they settled
rather than fight it out and lose in court. Only a hopeless fanboi would
deny the historical reality of all this, someone whose infantile ego is
threatened by admitting that his favorite band did something unscrupulous.
Maybe if you had a sex life you wouldn't have to substitute worshipping Led
Zep for getting laid, but that's probably not going to change in the near
future.
iarwain
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogTFdlbup24
I've never been too impressed by the similarity between Taurus and
Stairway to Heaven. Mainly because using a descending figure is such
a common tool in music. And as you say, there are a lot more parts in
Stairway than just this one riff.
Led Zeppelin is one of my favorite bands and I think they're
fantastic. I do think it's pretty obvious that they blatantly stole
songs though. I've heard them try to justify it, and I guess it's a
personal question as to what you think of the morality of it all.
Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl
> Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I do NOT consider borrowed lyrics as stealing.
>
> So you're admitting up front that you're stacking the deck.
> Lyrics and melody are the two main factors in successful plagiarism
> suits. You may not consider it stealing, but the law does.
Yes but stealing lyrics (partially) is not really a big deal. But if
you are actually completely ripping off the music like what Vanilla
Ice did, then it is really bad.
>
> > Many blues artists have constantly done that.
>
> That's nice. Those artists were not wealthy in their own time
Is that Zeppelin's fault? At least most of them became popular once
again, courtesy Zeppelin bringing back their old school music.
DGDevin
"iarwain" <iarw...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Led Zeppelin is one of my favorite bands and I think they're
> fantastic. I do think it's pretty obvious that they blatantly stole
> songs though. I've heard them try to justify it, and I guess it's a
> personal question as to what you think of the morality of it all.
Exactly, they were a great band, one of the greatest IMO, and I still enjoy
their music just as I did when it was first released. But it is childish
folly to pretend that they didn't put their names on music written by other
people--it's a matter of record. They wouldn't have settled out of court
when they were repeatedly sued over this if the accusations of theft weren't
justified. A lot of this seems to be driven by Jimmy Page's ego (and
greed). He certainly knew what he was doing at the time, and he continues
to offer feeble excuses for it today. But then Page is a guy who overdubs
his guitar parts when old LZ material is released to cover up the sloppy
playing he was known for--talk about insecurity.
Gerrit Rijtoopje
7d98-4738-b62...@c4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:
> List the original songs as well.
>
> I Can't Quit You Baby and You Shook Me were properly credited as
> Willie Dixon covers, so they don't count. Also We're Gonna Groove is a
> live cover of Ben E King and James Bethea. And it was properly
> credited to them. So doesn't count. Also the two live Eddie Cochran
> covers Something Else and Cmon Everybody were always considered covers
> and properly credited to Eddie.
>
> So excluding these 5 songs that Led Zeppelin performed or recorded,
> what else is a complete rip off? Please provide proper evidence.
> Youtube links to original songs may suffice. The haters have the best
> chance here.
>
> I do NOT consider borrowed lyrics as stealing. Many blues artists have
> constantly done that. Tell me, if they stole the entire instrumental
> section from a song.
>
> So far my list has none!
'Black Mountain Side' on LZ1 is a sloppy rehash of Bert Jansch's
arrangement of the traditional song 'Black Water Side', which he
recorded on his 1966 album, 'Jack Orion'.
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkX7Q2J7k48>
<http://www.amazon.co.uk/Jack-Orion-Bert-Jansch/dp/B00005NBRP/ref=sr_1_
1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1265484585&sr=1-1>
I found this quite interesting too.
Nil
rec.music.beatles:
> But then Page is a guy who overdubs his guitar parts when old LZ
> material is released to cover up the sloppy playing he was known
> for--talk about insecurity.
I don't think he did that. If you're referring to the "How the West
Was Won" set, what he did do is fly in bits from other performances
from that time. I don't believe there were any modern overdubs.
Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl
> "iarwain" <iarwai...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:85ab66f7-6143-4c70...@d37g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Led Zeppelin is one of my favorite bands and I think they're
> > fantastic. I do think it's pretty obvious that they blatantly stole
> > songs though. I've heard them try to justify it, and I guess it's a
> > personal question as to what you think of the morality of it all.
>
> Exactly, they were a great band, one of the greatest IMO
Please go on and explain why they are on the greatest when you have
respect for any one of them. You think Page is sloppy, Plant stole
lyrics., Page stole riffs. Plant's voice sucks, John Paul Jones is
boring and Bonham is not a great drummer.
Give me one reason you think they are among the greatest especially
since you hate them.
RichL
> On Feb 6, 1:44 pm, "DGDevin" <dgde...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>> Exactly, they were a great band, one of the greatest IMO
>
> Please go on and explain why they are on the greatest when you have
> respect for any one of them. You think Page is sloppy, Plant stole
> lyrics., Page stole riffs. Plant's voice sucks, John Paul Jones is
> boring and Bonham is not a great drummer.
You don't help your cause intelligence-wise when you make up and/or
exaggerate comments that other people have made.
DGDevin
"Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl" <zepf...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:05fb095a-e767-4293...@o3g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>> Exactly, they were a great band, one of the greatest IMO
> Please go on and explain why they are on the greatest when you have
> respect for any one of them. You think Page is sloppy, Plant stole
> lyrics., Page stole riffs. Plant's voice sucks, John Paul Jones is
> boring and Bonham is not a great drummer.
> Give me one reason you think they are among the greatest especially
> since you hate them.
This is the same childish fanboi crap you have resorted to in the past, and
it makes you sound just as stupid (and dishonest) now as it did before.
See if you can figure this out. Many hardcore Who fans will tell you they
have always been a little disappointed by the band's predictable setlists,
where they vary only a handful of songs over the course of a tour. In other
words they will criticize something about a band whose music they love. Now
here's the part that will probably overheat your brain--criticizing
something you don't like about a band does not mean you "hate them"!
See how that works? It's possible to love Led Zep's music while still
acknowledging they were known to put their names on other people's songs.
It is not a love-em-or-hate-em situation--this is music, not religion.
Aside from that you have once again fabricated statements I have never made,
unless of course you can quote me saying JPJ is a boring bassist or Bonzo
was not a great drummer. Can you do that? No? Then shut up.
Enjoying Led Zep doesn't require acting like a brainwashed cult member who
wets his pants if he hears criticism of his fave band. Until you figure
that out you will remain a source of amusement to anyone who sees your
infantile rants. Of course it's possible you actually like being perceived
that way since you encourage it with your foolish posts.
Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl
> "Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl" <zepflo...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:05fb095a-e767-4293...@o3g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> Exactly, they were a great band, one of the greatest IMO
> > Please go on and explain why they are on the greatest when you have
> > respect for any one of them. You think Page is sloppy, Plant stole
> > lyrics., Page stole riffs. Plant's voice sucks, John Paul Jones is
> > boring and Bonham is not a great drummer.
> > Give me one reason you think they are among the greatest especially
> > since you hate them.
>
> This is the same childish fanboi crap you have resorted to in the past, and
> it makes you sound just as stupid (and dishonest) now as it did before.
>
> See if you can figure this out. Many hardcore Who fans will tell you they
> have always been a little disappointed by the band's predictable setlists,
> where they vary only a handful of songs over the course of a tour. In other
> words they will criticize something about a band whose music they love. Now
> here's the part that will probably overheat your brain--criticizing
> something you don't like about a band does not mean you "hate them"!
>
> See how that works? It's possible to love Led Zep's music while still
> acknowledging they were known to put their names on other people's songs.
> It is not a love-em-or-hate-em situation--this is music, not religion.
> Aside from that you have once again fabricated statements I have never made,
> unless of course you can quote me saying JPJ is a boring bassist or Bonzo
> was not a great drummer. Can you do that? No? Then shut up.
>
> Enjoying Led Zep
You don't enjoy. You enjoy bashing them. I have never heard a single
positive word about Led Zeppelin from you.
DGDevin
> You don't enjoy. You enjoy bashing them. I have never heard a single
> positive word about Led Zeppelin from you.
Given that I just described them as one of the greatest rock bands ever
you're either a fool or a liar, most likely both. In any event I was
listening to Led Zeppelin long before your parents made the regrettable
decision to bring you into the world, so I'm not about to listen to your
juvenile fanboi bleating on the subject. You have a lot of growing up to
do, "Raja," and frankly the odds are against you.
bubba
>
> - Show quoted text -
you have no friends and are a loser we all know this
Me
wrote:
>
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>
> - Show quoted text -
Raja, I've been in touch with Page, Plant and Jones. They've ordered
you to never listen to their music again. You are banned from it. You
are persona non-grata. They want you to listen to something more your
own speed- Donny and Marie, The Osmond Brothers or Donnie solo. If not
that, they want you to come up with even more ways to get your mother
out of the house so that you can have a free masturbation.
You filthy masturbator. Fuck off.
Manco
Bad Times", "Out on the Tiles", "Kashmir". Also John Paul Jones is
credited with the famous riff in "Black Dog". Even if you filter out
all the obvious rip-offs, their body of original work is very
impressive.
The Walrus was Danny
> >This is Taurus by Spirit
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogTFdlbup24
>
> I've never been too impressed by the similarity between Taurus and
> Stairway to Heaven. Mainly because using a descending figure is such
> a common tool in music. And as you say, there are a lot more parts in
> Stairway than just this one riff.
Hadn't known about this before..but bugger me, it is a bit bloody
similar though isn't it..yeah there's all the extra bits...but the
main bit just has Stairway to Heaven written all over it...thanks
Steffi for pointing it out to me!!
Danny
The Walrus was Danny
> that, they want you to come up with even more ways to get your mother
> out of the house so that you can have a free masturbation.
>
Thinking about it...I must have had er..sensual thoughts about Marie
Osmond myself at some point..we've had a few moments in my mind:
Doorbell goes...It's Marie Osmond in a nightie..he nipples all hard
cause she's a bit cold..I invite her in..we warm up by the fire....she
starts telling me she really fancies me and has done for ages and she
really wants me....and things go on from there...
Doorbell goes...It's Pamela Anderson...she comes in greets Marie....
Doorbell goes...Beyonce Knowles...
Danny
Me
wrote:
Nothing wrong with any of that. Just as long as it's not Raja ringing
your bell with his nipples all hard.
SAT W-7
The Walrus was Danny
Well to be fair..I've not seen Raja..Raja may be a large breasted 23
year old female Bollywood starlet with wiggly hips and have a penchant
for unbelievable blow-jobs...if that was the case...please come in
Raja...would you like a glass of Southern Comfort..please take a seat
in front of this log fire and hang yer nightie on the radiator...
Danny
Me
>
> - Show quoted text -
No girl would be stupid enough to come back time after time for the
verbal pounding that Raja invites unto himself. He may be pussy, but
he's no girl.
Clyde S. Dale
> This is Taurus by Spirit
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogTFdlbup24
>
> This is Stairway to Heaven by Led Zeppelin
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9TGj2jrJk8
>
> Basically if you listen from 0.45 to 2:37, you will notice that the
> acoustic guitar riff is similar to Jimmy Page's intro on acoustic
> guitar on Stairway To Heaven (from 0.00 to 2:15). But thats where the
> similarity ends. Spirit's riff is milder and repetitive, Jimmy expands
> on that acoustic intro and it is much longer and bombastic. Also there
> is no accompanying recorder (played by John Paul Jones) on Taurus. So
> the feel is different.
You're BOTH crazy. First, for cross-posting the HELL out of htis argument,
but second, the SPIRIT riff is a downward run, while LED ZEP's is upward.
Each triplet in the spirit riff starts high and ends low. To get to where
the Led Zep riff is, you'd have to play it backwards. And friend, that
ain't plaigerism!
Clyde S. Dale
Clyde S. Dale
Clyde S. Dale
Clyde S. Dale
Clyde S. Dale
Clyde S. Dale
bubba
> List the original songs as well.
>
> I Can't Quit You Baby and You Shook Me were properly credited as
> Willie Dixon covers, so they don't count. Also We're Gonna Groove is a
> live cover of Ben E King and James Bethea. And it was properly
> credited to them. So doesn't count. Also the two live Eddie Cochran
> covers Something Else and Cmon Everybody were always considered covers
> and properly credited to Eddie.
>
> So excluding these 5 songs that Led Zeppelin performed or recorded,
> what else is a complete rip off? Please provide proper evidence.
> Youtube links to original songs may suffice. The haters have the best
> chance here.
>
> constantly done that. Tell me, if they stole the entire instrumental
> section from a song.
>
> So far my list has none!
>
> song and some of it sounds a bit like some of the music on Stairway to
> Heaven. But Taurus is such a short song. And Stairway To Heaven is
> much longer and has so many different parts to it. So there is no way
> one can say that Stairway To Heaven is a complete rip off of Taurus
>
> This is Taurus by Spirithttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogTFdlbup24
>
> This is Stairway to Heaven by Led Zeppelinhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9TGj2jrJk8
>
> Basically if you listen from 0.45 to 2:37, you will notice that the
> acoustic guitar riff is similar to Jimmy Page's intro on acoustic
> guitar on Stairway To Heaven (from 0.00 to 2:15). But thats where the
> similarity ends. Spirit's riff is milder and repetitive, Jimmy expands
> on that acoustic intro and it is much longer and bombastic. Also there
> is no accompanying recorder (played by John Paul Jones) on Taurus. So
> the feel is different.
>
> stolen (about a minute of it) and only serves as an intro which is not
> the crux of the song. There is a lot more to the song than the
> acoustic intro, after all.
"Shake 'em on Down" Bukka White, "Travelling Riverside Blues" Robert
Johnson, "Knowing I'm Losing You" Yardbirds, "Gallis Pole" Trad Arr/
Leadbelly/many others, "When The Levee Breaks" Memphis Minnie, "Ooh My
Head" Ritchie Valens, "In My Time Of Dying" Trad Arr. Bob Dylan/many
others, "Taurus" Spirit, "Watch Your Step" Bobby Parker, "I Can't Quit
You Babe" Willy Dixon, "You Need Love" Willy Dixon or Steve Marriott,
"She Moved Thru The Bizzare" Davy Graham, "Black Waterside" Bert
Jansch, "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" written by Anne Anne Bredon covered
by Joan Baez in '62, "Dazed and Confused" Jack Holmes,
'Nobody's Fault But Mine' BLIND WILLIE JOHNSON Howlin' Wolf -
"Killing Floor"
bubba
>
> - Show quoted text -
Sorry I meant Anne Briggs
iarwain
Page has said they might have gotten away with the plagiarism if Plant
had bothered to change the lyrics. I think it's kind of funny the way
he blames Plant - probably a little tongue in cheek there.
A lot of Page's sloppiness that he's known for is probably due to his
heroin and alcohol use. It was a very big party and drug culture back
in the 70s. I have to respect any guitarist who can get himself
recognized as the foremost member of a band over the lead singer.
Supposedly Peter Grant worked a lot of publicity on his behalf. I
think he deserved it though.
bubba
> List the original songs as well.
>
> I Can't Quit You Baby and You Shook Me were properly credited as
> Willie Dixon covers,
so they don't count. Also We're Gonna Groove is a
> live cover of Ben E King and James Bethea. And it was properly
> credited to them. So doesn't count. Also the two live Eddie Cochran
> covers Something Else and Cmon Everybody were always considered covers
> and properly credited to Eddie.
NOBODY GIVES A SHIT ABOUT LIVE COVERS EVEN ASCAP SO WHY WASTE OUR TIME
>
> So excluding these 5 songs that Led Zeppelin performed or recorded,
> what else is a complete rip off? Please provide proper evidence.
> Youtube links to original songs may suffice. The haters have the best
> chance here.
>
> I do NOT consider borrowed lyrics as stealing.
NOBODY, LEAST OF ALL A COPYRIGHT COURT OF LAW. GIVES A FUCK WHAT YOU
THINK. THE QUESTION IS IN ANY COURT CASE: WAS INTELECTUAL PROPERTY
STOLEN AND USED TO EARN MONEY.
Many blues artists have
> constantly done that. Tell me, if they stole the entire instrumental
> section from a song.
>
> So far my list has none!
>
> PS: I did listen to Taurus by Spirit. Its a good short instrumental
> song and some of it sounds a bit like some of the music on Stairway to
> Heaven.
SEE ABOVE
But Taurus is such a short song. And Stairway To Heaven is
> much longer and has so many different parts to it. So there is no way
> one can say that Stairway To Heaven is a complete rip off of Taurus
YOUR OPINION DOESNT MEAN SHIT
>
> This is Taurus by Spirithttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogTFdlbup24
>
> This is Stairway to Heaven by Led Zeppelinhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9TGj2jrJk8
>
> Basically if you listen from 0.45 to 2:37, you will notice that the
> acoustic guitar riff is similar to Jimmy Page's intro on acoustic
> guitar on Stairway To Heaven (from 0.00 to 2:15). But thats where the
> similarity ends. Spirit's riff is milder and repetitive, Jimmy expands
> on that acoustic intro and it is much longer and bombastic.
Also there is no accompanying recorder
WHAT? DOUCHE
(played by John Paul Jones) on Taurus. So
> the feel is different.
>
> So I guess we can exclude Stairway to Heaven as well. Only partially
> stolen
SO YOU USED ALL OF THOSE KEYSTROKES TO ADMIT COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT(
about a minute of it) and only serves as an intro which is not
> the crux of the song. There is a lot more to the song than the
> acoustic intro, after all.
AGAIN NOBODY WANTS YOUR OPINION SO KILL YOURSELF
progea
Raja the.homo
"Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl" <zepf...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> List the original songs as well.
"Lube My Vag, Baby"
"Lube My Vagina, Baby" - original
Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl
That would be true, if your so called verbal poundings has any effect
on me, girlfriend!
The Nice Mean Man
wrote:
> List the original songs as well.
>
> live cover of Ben E King and James Bethea. And it was properly
> credited to them. So doesn't count. Also the two live Eddie Cochran
> covers Something Else and Cmon Everybody were always considered covers
> and properly credited to Eddie.
>
> what else is a complete rip off? Please provide proper evidence.
> Youtube links to original songs may suffice. The haters have the best
> chance here.
>
> constantly done that. Tell me, if they stole the entire instrumental
> section from a song.
>
> So far my list has none!
>
> PS: I did listen to Taurus by Spirit. Its a good short instrumental
> song and some of it sounds a bit like some of the music on Stairway to
> much longer and has so many different parts to it. So there is no way
> one can say that Stairway To Heaven is a complete rip off of Taurus
>
>
> This is Stairway to Heaven by Led Zeppelinhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9TGj2jrJk8
>
> Basically if you listen from 0.45 to 2:37, you will notice that the
> acoustic guitar riff is similar to Jimmy Page's intro on acoustic
> guitar on Stairway To Heaven (from 0.00 to 2:15). But thats where the
> similarity ends. Spirit's riff is milder and repetitive, Jimmy expands
> on that acoustic intro and it is much longer and bombastic. Also there
> the feel is different.
>
> So I guess we can exclude Stairway to Heaven as well. Only partially
> the crux of the song. There is a lot more to the song than the
> acoustic intro, after all.
There are none beginning to end. But tha's irrelevent.
Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl
> Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote in news:8ce50eb7-
> 7d98-4738-b629-440c697ad...@c4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > List the original songs as well.
>
> > I Can't Quit You Baby and You Shook Me were properly credited as
> > Willie Dixon covers, so they don't count. Also We're Gonna Groove is a
> > live cover of Ben E King and James Bethea. And it was properly
> > credited to them. So doesn't count. Also the two live Eddie Cochran
> > covers Something Else and Cmon Everybody were always considered covers
> > and properly credited to Eddie.
>
> > So excluding these 5 songs that Led Zeppelin performed or recorded,
> > what else is a complete rip off? Please provide proper evidence.
> > Youtube links to original songs may suffice. The haters have the best
> > chance here.
>
> > I do NOT consider borrowed lyrics as stealing. Many blues artists have
> > constantly done that. Tell me, if they stole the entire instrumental
> > section from a song.
>
> > So far my list has none!
>
> arrangement of the traditional song 'Black Water Side', which he
> recorded on his 1966 album, 'Jack Orion'.
>
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkX7Q2J7k48>
> <http://www.amazon.co.uk/Jack-Orion-Bert-Jansch/dp/B00005NBRP/ref=sr_1_
> 1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1265484585&sr=1-1>
>
> I found this quite interesting too.
>
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCMDR0yrxMw&feature=fvw>
On Feb 6, 1:48 pm, Gerrit Rijtoopje <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote in news:8ce50eb7-
> 7d98-4738-b629-440c697ad...@c4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:
>
>
>
>
>
> > List the original songs as well.
>
> > I Can't Quit You Baby and You Shook Me were properly credited as
> > Willie Dixon covers, so they don't count. Also We're Gonna Groove is a
> > live cover of Ben E King and James Bethea. And it was properly
> > credited to them. So doesn't count. Also the two live Eddie Cochran
> > covers Something Else and Cmon Everybody were always considered covers
> > and properly credited to Eddie.
>
> > So excluding these 5 songs that Led Zeppelin performed or recorded,
> > what else is a complete rip off? Please provide proper evidence.
> > Youtube links to original songs may suffice. The haters have the best
> > chance here.
>
> > I do NOT consider borrowed lyrics as stealing. Many blues artists have
> > constantly done that. Tell me, if they stole the entire instrumental
> > section from a song.
>
> > So far my list has none!
>
> 'Black Mountain Side' on LZ1 is a sloppy rehash of Bert Jansch's
> arrangement of the traditional song 'Black Water Side', which he
> recorded on his 1966 album, 'Jack Orion'.
>
Sorry, I prefer the Zep version stolen or not stolen. I really don't
see much similarity. May be I am tone deaf.
Bert Jansch's verison
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkX7Q2J7k48
This aint bad. It lacks the punch and is somewhat bland. The tabla/
guitar combo on Black Mountain Side is really great. Jimmy was a smart
guy, he know to borrow a little but enhance it to greater heights.
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkX7Q2J7k48>
> <http://www.amazon.co.uk/Jack-Orion-Bert-Jansch/dp/B00005NBRP/ref=sr_1_
> 1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1265484585&sr=1-1>
>
> I found this quite interesting too.
>
> <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCMDR0yrxMw&feature=fvw>
Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl
> To be fair, Page came up with some
some??????????????? are you kidding me?
Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl
Righhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhht... compare for yourself. Both sound completely
different.
Robert Johnson - great blues guitarist no doubt. For his time, this is
excellent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecwW2fX1Yew
But this is fucking timeless... not just the guitar, the vocals, the
bass and the drums... a much more complete song.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtEAp-Rybl0&feature=related
Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl
Thats quite relevant. When you use a word like "steal" it is a major
accusation and insult to the artist. If you are saying Zeppelin stole
all their popular songs from some old black artists, then you are
pretty much saying the band had artistic credibility at all, and in
fact were hacks with no creativity.
Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl
classic. Anu Malik should be shot.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRprPjWqhHI&feature=related
Zeppelin never did this!
Superdave
please kill this thread. it's boring.
Manco
Ok he came up with a 10-15 cool riffs and solos. Nothing more.
Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl
RichL
>
> But this is fucking timeless... not just the guitar, the vocals, the
> bass and the drums... a much more complete song.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtEAp-Rybl0&feature=related
Clueless, once more. At least on this song Zep gave Johnson a co-
writing credit, never mind that Johnson wrote the whole song himself.
Zep did a different *arrangement*. Not worthy of claiming co-
authorship of the song, as they did.
RichL
When you use a word like "steal" to describe theft, it's pretty damned
accurate.
Zep didn't steal *all* their popular songs from old blues artists,
they just stole a lot of them.
Their mistake was not giving credit where credit was due. And if they
lost some artistic credibility because of that mistake, it's their own
fault.
They weren't "hacks", obviously. But they behaved unethically in this
matter, period.
YOU just can't handle that thought, you're jumping through all sorts
of hoops trying to convince YOURSELF that it's not true. It's true,
Raja. Deal with it.
Now start whining about how I hate Led Zeppelin. I command it.
RichL
wrote:
It may suck, but it's not theft unless you can prove that they peddled
their version as their original creation, you fool.
Pelle Svanslös
Nothing more, you say?! Squeeze my lemon.
Page came up with crimes against humanity:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmNHtWqcXqY
To the noose, I say.
Gerrit Rijtoopje
f94a-446c-a99...@u9g2000yqb.googlegroups.com:
> On Feb 6, 1:48�pm, Gerrit Rijtoopje <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>> Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote in news:8ce50eb7-
>> 7d98-4738-b629-440c697ad...@c4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:
>>
>>
>> 'Black Mountain Side' on LZ1 is a sloppy rehash of Bert Jansch's
>> arrangement of the traditional song 'Black Water Side', which he
>> recorded on his 1966 album, 'Jack Orion'.
>>
>
> Sorry, I prefer the Zep version stolen or not stolen. I really don't
> see much similarity. May be I am tone deaf.
I'm beginning to think so.
>
> Bert Jansch's verison
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkX7Q2J7k48
>
> This aint bad. It lacks the punch and is somewhat bland. The tabla/
> guitar combo on Black Mountain Side is really great. Jimmy was a smart
> guy, he know to borrow a little but enhance it to greater heights.
"Borrow a little"? He took Jansch's highly original guitar
accompaniment, tarted it up a bit and then called it his own with no
credit to the source, conveniently avoiding having to pay him a share of
the proceeds.
Ray
>
> - Show quoted text -
You mean like when you cry like a little cunt and say you're leaving
forever only to return about three days later?
Ray
>
> - Show quoted text -
Babe I'm Gonna Leave you was STOLEN. Lyrics, melody ... 100% stolen.
They're thieves, they've as much as admitted it. You should too.
iarwain
> On the song "The Song Remains The Same". Yes I agree.
Heh, that's kind of a funny comeback, I must admit.
iarwain
I didn't realize Zep gave themselves a co-writing credit on that.
LOfriggingL.
To be fair, Robert Johnson probably didn't write it either. Zeppelin
used Johnson and other old blues players as examples of how musicians
used to utilize others' material in crafting their own songs. They
rationalized their plagiarism by saying that they were just following
the tradition of other blues musicians in the past.
I read "Hammer of the Gods" (which isn't supposed to be particularly
accurate) and it says that at one point they hired some new publicity
agents, and one of the ideas they came up with was for them to play
some benefits for old blues musicians. This was supposed to cut some
of the criticism they were taking for lifting the old material.
I honestly don't know where I stand on the whole ethical question
involved. The idea of "intellectual property" to me is in large part
an invention of modern society. When you get right down to it, I'm
not sure that anyone should OWN music, although yeah there is money to
be made. You know as well as I do how easy it would be to "steal" a
bit of a song without intending to - My Sweet Lord and He's So Fine
being a prime example. There are only so many notes available in
Western music, and there are even less that work well together.
DGDevin
"iarwain" <iarw...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:44d55f03-f707-466d...@z41g2000yqz.googlegroups.com...
> To be fair, Robert Johnson probably didn't write it either. Zeppelin
> used Johnson and other old blues players as examples of how musicians
> used to utilize others' material in crafting their own songs. They
> rationalized their plagiarism by saying that they were just following
> the tradition of other blues musicians in the past.
But while all bluesmen performed and recorded songs they had heard others
perform they generally didn't pretend to have created them--Willie Dixon
being an exception in that he was smart enough to write it down (perhaps for
the first time) and get his name on it. LZ did something quite different,
they took songs already credited to other songwriters and claimed them as
their work. There is no way an experienced session player like Page didn't
know exactly what he was doing, he knew the money was in songwriting
royalties and publishing.
> I read "Hammer of the Gods" (which isn't supposed to be particularly
> accurate) and it says that at one point they hired some new publicity
> agents, and one of the ideas they came up with was for them to play
> some benefits for old blues musicians. This was supposed to cut some
> of the criticism they were taking for lifting the old material.
They were supposed to finance some delta blues museum/foundation too--never
happened (what a surprise). Someone who actually has helped old blues
musicians get paid what they are owed was Willie Dixon and his daughter.
http://articles.latimes.com/1994-10-08/entertainment/ca-47905_1_willie-dixon-blues-heaven-foundation
Willie Dixon's Daughter Makes Sure Legacy Lives On
Pop music: She guides Blues Heaven Foundation, which helps artists recover
their royalties and rights. Tuesday's benefit will be at B.B. King's Blues
Club.
October 08, 1994|STEVE HOCHMAN, SPECIAL TO THE TIMES
When Shirley Dixon was 13, a friend played her an album by Led Zeppelin, and
something struck the girl as odd. Thinking the song "Whole Lotta Love"
sounded familiar, she borrowed the album, took it home and played it for her
father, blues songwriter-producer Willie Dixon, who confirmed her suspicion.
It was, in places, virtually identical to his song "You Need Love." And he
wasn't being paid royalties for it.
"It was around Christmas time, and I said, 'Dad, I think I have a present
for you,' " she recalls.
Today, as acting executive director of the Blues Heaven Foundation, she
helps other blues artists recover or preserve their royalties and rights.
The organization was established in 1979 by her father, who died in 1992,
and boosted in 1987 with money from an out-of-court settlement in the
Zeppelin case. But, looking back, Shirley Dixon realizes that her father had
been training her for this mission from her early childhood days.
"By the time I was 8 I had filled in many copyright forms and typed his
lyrics out and mailed contracts," says Dixon, 31, sitting in the busy
Glendale home that doubles as the foundation's headquarters. "I had no idea
what he was preparing me for, which is this."
The nonprofit organization is hosting a benefit concert Tuesday at B.B.
King's Blues Club on Universal City's CityWalk to help fund its efforts to
assist blues artists and to refurbish the historic Chess Studios in Chicago
as a blues education center. Among those scheduled to perform are John Lee
Hooker (with Ry Cooder), Branford Marsalis, Ruth Brown, Koko Taylor, George
Thorogood, Pops Staples and the Pointer Sisters.
As chief songwriter and producer at Chess in the '50s and '60s, Dixon was a
seminal figure in modern blues, creating such classics as "Hoochie Coochie
Man," "Wang Dang Doodle" and "Little Red Rooster" for artists including
Muddy Waters and Howlin' Wolf.
And notwithstanding the battle with Led Zeppelin, Dixon was an enthusiastic
mentor for young rockers who sought him out. Among them: the Rolling Stones
and Eric Clapton, who includes three Dixon songs on his new blues album,
"From the Cradle."
"Every white kid who ever picked up a guitar has probably sung a Willie
Dixon song," says Elton John's longtime lyricist Bernie Taupin, who became a
close friend of Dixon's in the last year of the bluesman's life and is
executive producer of the benefit.
Adds Taupin, "He suffered heavily (from not being compensated), and I think
it's a great credit to him that he wanted to make sure it didn't happen to
other people."
Shirley Dixon stresses that Blues Heaven is not just for older musicians who
were taken advantage of when the music business was less sophisticated.
"Sure it's 1994, but nothing has changed," she says. "Generally young
artists have more options or have learned by others' experience. But it
depends on how hungry they are. Sometimes they'll sign a contract regardless
of what they know, and they need to be made aware that there are options."
JJ (UK)
news:8ce50eb7-7d98-4738...@c4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> List the original songs as well.
If it's original, it's not stolen...
JJ (UK)
ReKvest-or
RichL
> Cross-posted Crap. Reinstated
Now put your mouth on my rim...
richforman
>
> - Show quoted text -
Okay you win, Raja, they only stole lyrics, melodies, chord
progressions, ideas and riffs, not full songs beginning to end.
richforman
Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl
change the lyrics in some of the song. But Plant didnt do it. And they
were careless about it
>melodies, chord
> progressions, ideas and riffs, not full songs beginning to end.
Tell me one song in which they stole chord progression and riffs for
the entire song. Stairway to Heaven had been debunked by me and some
other poster.
Don't throw in vague terms like ideas. The Beatles got the idea for
songs for Sgt Pepper and stuff like Revolution 9 after listen to stuff
on The Piper At the Gates of Dawn. And there is no harm in borrowing
ideas.
>
> richforman- Hide quoted text -
Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl
I have heard Anne Bredon's version. I disagre about the the melody.
The original sounds nothing like Zep's version. Lyrics is something we
are not discussing here. It is a well known fact that Page asked Plant
to change the lyrics and he was careless enough not to do that.
>
> They're thieves, they've as much as admitted it. You should too.- Hide quoted text -
bubba
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>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
"Shake 'em on Down" Bukka White, "Travelling Riverside Blues" Robert
Johnson, "Knowing I'm Losing You" Yardbirds, "Gallis Pole" Trad Arr/
Leadbelly/many others, "When The Levee Breaks" Memphis Minnie, "Ooh
My
Head" Ritchie Valens, "In My Time Of Dying" Trad Arr. Bob Dylan/many
others, "Taurus" Spirit, "Watch Your Step" Bobby Parker, "I Can't
Quit
You Babe" Willy Dixon, "You Need Love" Willy Dixon or Steve Marriott,
"She Moved Thru The Bizzare" Davy Graham, "Black Waterside" Bert
Jansch, "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" written by Anne Briggs
covered
by Joan Baez in '62, "Dazed and Confused" Jack Holmes,
'Nobody's Fault But Mine' BLIND WILLIE JOHNSON Howlin' Wolf -
"Killing Floor"
bubba
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>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
"Shake 'em on Down" Bukka White, "Travelling Riverside Blues" Robert
Johnson, "Knowing I'm Losing You" Yardbirds, "Gallis Pole" Trad Arr/
Leadbelly/many others, "When The Levee Breaks" Memphis Minnie, "Ooh
My
Head" Ritchie Valens, "In My Time Of Dying" Trad Arr. Bob Dylan/many
others, "Taurus" Spirit, "Watch Your Step" Bobby Parker, "I Can't
Quit
You Babe" Willy Dixon, "You Need Love" Willy Dixon or Steve Marriott,
"She Moved Thru The Bizzare" Davy Graham, "Black Waterside" Bert
Jansch, "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" written by Anne Anne Bredon
bubba
wrote:
> On Feb 7, 10:21 pm, Manco <musefan2...@gmail.com> wrote:> On Feb 7, 7:42 pm, Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Feb 7, 1:57 am, Manco <musefan2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > To be fair, Page came up with some
>
> > > some??????????????? are you kidding me?
>
> > Ok he came up with a 10-15 cool riffs and solos.
>
> On the song "The Song Remains The Same". Yes I agree.
"Shake 'em on Down" Bukka White, "Travelling Riverside Blues" Robert
bubba
"Shake 'em on Down" Bukka White, "Travelling Riverside Blues" Robert
Johnson, "Knowing I'm Losing You" Yardbirds, "Gallis Pole" Trad Arr/
Leadbelly/many others, "When The Levee Breaks" Memphis Minnie, "Ooh
My
Head" Ritchie Valens, "In My Time Of Dying" Trad Arr. Bob Dylan/many
others, "Taurus" Spirit, "Watch Your Step" Bobby Parker, "I Can't
Quit
bubba
> On Feb 7, 8:58 pm, The Nice Mean Man <hitherandyon...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
"Shake 'em on Down" Bukka White, "Travelling Riverside Blues" Robert
bubba
> On Feb 7, 9:03 am, bubba <amy.lynn1...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Johnson,
>
> different.
>
> Robert Johnson - great blues guitarist no doubt. For his time, this is
> excellent.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecwW2fX1Yew
>
> But this is fucking timeless... not just the guitar, the vocals, the
> bass and the drums... a much more complete song.
>
bubba
> On Feb 7, 1:57 am, Manco <musefan2...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > To be fair, Page came up with some
>
> some??????????????? are you kidding me?
"Shake 'em on Down" Bukka White, "Travelling Riverside Blues" Robert
bubba
> On Feb 6, 1:48 pm, Gerrit Rijtoopje <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > 7d98-4738-b629-440c697ad...@c4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:
>
> > > List the original songs as well.
>
> > > I Can't Quit You Baby and You Shook Me were properly credited as
> > > Willie Dixon covers, so they don't count. Also We're Gonna Groove is a
> > > live cover of Ben E King and James Bethea. And it was properly
> > > credited to them. So doesn't count. Also the two live Eddie Cochran
> > > covers Something Else and Cmon Everybody were always considered covers
> > > and properly credited to Eddie.
>
> > > So excluding these 5 songs that Led Zeppelin performed or recorded,
> > > what else is a complete rip off? Please provide proper evidence.
> > > Youtube links to original songs may suffice. The haters have the best
> > > chance here.
>
> > > I do NOT consider borrowed lyrics as stealing. Many blues artists have
> > > constantly done that. Tell me, if they stole the entire instrumental
> > > section from a song.
>
> > > So far my list has none!
>
> > arrangement of the traditional song 'Black Water Side', which he
> > recorded on his 1966 album, 'Jack Orion'.
>
> > <http://www.amazon.co.uk/Jack-Orion-Bert-Jansch/dp/B00005NBRP/ref=sr_1_
> > 1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1265484585&sr=1-1>
>
> > I found this quite interesting too.
>
> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCMDR0yrxMw&feature=fvw>> > Steffi Ivan Graf Lendl <zepflo...@gmail.com> wrote in news:8ce50eb7-
> > 7d98-4738-b629-440c697ad...@c4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com:
>
> > > List the original songs as well.
>
> > > I Can't Quit You Baby and You Shook Me were properly credited as
> > > Willie Dixon covers, so they don't count. Also We're Gonna Groove is a
> > > live cover of Ben E King and James Bethea. And it was properly
> > > credited to them. So doesn't count. Also the two live Eddie Cochran
> > > covers Something Else and Cmon Everybody were always considered covers
> > > and properly credited to Eddie.
>
> > > So excluding these 5 songs that Led Zeppelin performed or recorded,
> > > what else is a complete rip off? Please provide proper evidence.
> > > Youtube links to original songs may suffice. The haters have the best
> > > chance here.
>
> > > I do NOT consider borrowed lyrics as stealing. Many blues artists have
> > > constantly done that. Tell me, if they stole the entire instrumental
> > > section from a song.
>
> > > So far my list has none!
>
> > arrangement of the traditional song 'Black Water Side', which he
> > recorded on his 1966 album, 'Jack Orion'.
>
> Sorry, I prefer the Zep version stolen or not stolen. I really don't
> see much similarity. May be I am tone deaf.
>
>
> This aint bad. It lacks the punch and is somewhat bland. The tabla/
> guitar combo on Black Mountain Side is really great. Jimmy was a smart
> guy, he know to borrow a little but enhance it to greater heights.
>
>
>
> > <http://www.amazon.co.uk/Jack-Orion-Bert-Jansch/dp/B00005NBRP/ref=sr_1_
> > 1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1265484585&sr=1-1>
>
> > I found this quite interesting too.
>
> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCMDR0yrxMw&feature=fvw>- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
"Shake 'em on Down" Bukka White, "Travelling Riverside Blues" Robert