Is Jeff Beck overrated? (of the ex-yardbird guitarists)
Nobody Important
does he deserve it? I recently bought The Best of Jeff Beck and found it
pretty poor, except for Beck's Bolero, which ironically was written by Jimmy
Page. Does Beck deserve to be compared to "true" guitar heros such as Eric
Clapton and Jimmy Page? I do consider Jeff Beck's yardbird work
excellent,but no better than Eric's or Jimmy's. Or did Beck just try to take
a different approach to music, one that I don't appreciate?
Rattus the RAT
Joe C. Hecht a écrit dans le message <374CAC...@gte.net>...
>vocals are always turned down so low I can barly hear them!
>
>He also tried to help Donny Osmond shed his good guy image (it
>did not work), and that really upsets me. I can't stand
>Donny Osmond cause I lost a girlfriend to him in the 6th grade.
>I really did try too! When I went on vacation to Salt Lake City, I
>called every Osmond in the phonebook in an attempt to get an
>autograph for her. I got into a mess of trouble with my dad,
>who almost combusted when he say the bill at 25 cents per call.
>Of course, 25 cents was a lot of money back in thoses days.
>
>I bought her all the copys of TeenBeat and TigerBeat, and she
>cut up all the pictures of Donny and pasted then all over her
>room (including the light switch). I was ok, untill she took
>*our* picture (from the dance), and pasted Donny's face over
>mine :( Oh Sweet Caroline, good times never seemed so good :(
>
>On the other hand, I think Beckie was wearing some trousers on the
>cover of the album that featured the tune "Blue Wind", and they
>had the same pattern as the current line of Old Navy Board Shorts,
>so it stands to reason that he was *years* ahead of his time.
>
>And I still can't seem to make out the words to "Blue Wind"....
>
>Joe [ it rained 3 times today, and the corn loved it :) ]
It also rained here and my bananas loved it! (nah, they haven't germinate
yet... i am starting to worry !)
RAT
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>Joe C. Hecht
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Joe C. Hecht
JBeck97
first CD of his that I bought and I wasn't too impressed. But then I bought
Blow By Blow, Wired, and Who Else. That changed my mind about him. Plus, I
saw him in concert. If you saw him live, there'd be no doubt in your mind
where he stands in comparison to Clapton, Page, etc. Even Page himself says
Beck is the best there is when he's on.
AJ
Reese
<al.pa...@worldnot.att.net> wrote:
>Am i missing something? People always talk of Jeff Beck as a guitar god, but
>does he deserve it? I recently bought The Best of Jeff Beck and found it
>pretty poor, except for Beck's Bolero, which ironically was written by Jimmy
>Page. Does Beck deserve to be compared to "true" guitar heros such as Eric
>Clapton and Jimmy Page? I do consider Jeff Beck's yardbird work
>excellent,but no better than Eric's or Jimmy's. Or did Beck just try to take
>a different approach to music, one that I don't appreciate?
The question isn't so much whether he's a great guitarist as whether
he comes up with the right licks. And Beck does.
Jimmy Page does.
Crapton doesn't.
Pete Townsend ain't such a great guitarist at all, and he always said
it was proof that people don't know what the hell they're talking
about when he gets named as a great guitarist.
And they don't.
The thing that gets me about this question is why care? You either
like the guy's music or you don't, and I can see how somebody can not
like Jeff Beck.
Reese
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McMahon
<7ii94s$qmj$1...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...
>Am i missing something? People always talk of Jeff Beck as a guitar god,
but
>does he deserve it? I recently bought The Best of Jeff Beck and found it
>pretty poor, except for Beck's Bolero, which ironically was written by
Jimmy
>Page. Does Beck deserve to be compared to "true" guitar heros such as Eric
>Clapton and Jimmy Page? I do consider Jeff Beck's yardbird work
>excellent,but no better than Eric's or Jimmy's. Or did Beck just try to
take
>a different approach to music, one that I don't appreciate?
Beck's far from my favorite guitarist, though from just the respect given
him by the likes of Page, Clapton, etc, it's hard to say he's not a terrific
guitarist. His best, IMO, is from the Yardbirds and his late 60's solo
albums (w/ Rod Stewart, Nicky Hopkins, Ron Wood on bass, and Mick Waller or
Tony Newman on drums -- a great lineup).
Go and try to find a copy of "Truth" and "Beck-Ola" -- those are from '68
and '69. On your Best of Beck, the best songs from those are Shapes Of
Things (which is best appreciated by comparing it to the rather lame
Yardbirds original) and Plynth (Water Down The Drain) -- IMO the best tune
Beck ever did.
Some are big fans of his fusion (late 70's) period, with albums like Blow By
Blow and Wired well-known amongst jazz and rock wannabe-guitarists alike.
They aren't my cup of tea, though anyone down enough to cover Mingus
(Goodbye Pork Pie Hat) is cool in my book.
--
Murph
Nandomark
(although Page conveys more emotion and understanding of the passion of music,
for me). Try Wired and Blow by Blow...or a GREAT semi-known Beck album Crazy
Legs with the Big Town Playboys...(trust me).
LZHistory
>Things (which is best appreciated by comparing it to the rather lame
>Yardbirds original)
We are all entitled to our opinions. You have yours, and I have mine. I am
going the other way on this one and am saying that The Yardbirds' version of
"Shapes Of Things" is much better than the Jeff Beck Group's remake. The
Allman Joys (Duane & Gregg Allman, et. al.) liked it enough to record their
note-for-note remake less than a year after the single was released. In Volume
2 of Sony Music's Yardbirds anthology, the liner notes say The Yardbirds'
"Shapes Of Things" "should be played loud, and often." Indeed, The Yardbirds'
version makes me smile.
The Jeff Beck Group's version of "Shapes Of Things" does something different
to me. When I hear Rod Stewart sing that first word, I think it's all a joke.
I crack up. Jeff writes in the liner notes of Truth, "Rearranged, but the
same Yardbirds hit. This must be played at maximum volume whatever phonograph
you use." Then he hints at a sarcastic statement: "Makes very appropriate
background music if you have Vicar over for tea." I guess his objective in
remaking the song was to have it rock harder. Well, any musician can tell you
that to make a song rock harder, you don't slow it down. (Unless you're the
Vanilla Fudge, who can make originals by The Supremes, The Beatles and Donovan
pale in comparison to their cover versions.)
I will give Jeff Beck this, though. His version of "Shapes Of Things" did
spawn a number of imitations, namely Night Ranger's "Sister Christian" and Led
Zeppelin's "Out On The Tiles." Which once again proves how pivotal a song
"Shapes Of Things" is in rock history.
Checkmate,
Steve "El Becko" Sauer
DJMangin
>Page.
try co-written by Beck and Page. This is what Jeff says in May 99 Guitar world
"Page came in and he had the rhythms down for that song and I came up with the
leads"
STRYDER167
Try written by Page. Beck says he co wrote it with Page. Page is very straight
to the point when its come to that song. Page states he wrote it, he Played it,
end of story.
Page is God
Stryder167
DJMangin
>end of story.
cite your source. Where does he say this?
>Page is God
God is God, Page ain't even close, just a mere mortal like you or I
Brian Shea
be writing (and singing). He seems to really shine when with great support.
When he guest solos on other peoples songs, you can always recognize his style.
In his fusion days, he had some great support with Jan Hammer et al. Solo
stuff after that, I thought, was kinda flat.
When I listen to 'Happenings Ten Years Time Ago' (Yardbirds), I hear Jimmy
doing intense rythym, and Beck's solo ripping out my soul. I'd love to think
that's Jimmy's solo, but it just feels and tastes like Jeff. Don't have
confirmation on it, just feel. It's actually one of my favorite solos ever,
burned into my head.
On the ARMS show, with EC, Jimmy and Jeff playing together, I feel Jeff does the
best playing, has the best sound. Obviously, I like Jimmy. And EC just
doesn't move me for some reason, maybe he doesn't take as many chances.
On Wed, 26 May 1999 21:58:57 -0700, "Nobody Important"
<al.pa...@worldnot.att.net> wrote:
>Am i missing something? People always talk of Jeff Beck as a guitar god, but
>does he deserve it? I recently bought The Best of Jeff Beck and found it
>pretty poor, except for Beck's Bolero, which ironically was written by Jimmy
>Page. Does Beck deserve to be compared to "true" guitar heros such as Eric
>Clapton and Jimmy Page? I do consider Jeff Beck's yardbird work
>excellent,but no better than Eric's or Jimmy's. Or did Beck just try to take
>a different approach to music, one that I don't appreciate?
>
--Brian--Groundskeeper of the Hedgerow
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:
: Try written by Page. Beck says he co wrote it with Page. Page is very straight
: to the point when its come to that song. Page states he wrote it, he Played it,
: end of story.
Here's a simple question that even you can (presumably) answer - why does
Page's account have more credibility than Beck's? In other words, why do
you believe Page rather than Beck on this matter?
Jordonfree
_*Because*_, He *IS* JIMMY PAGE!!!!!!
In the alt.music JeffB. ng. they can flame Page. NOT HERE!
:-*/)
Ariel
DJMangin
>In the alt.music JeffB. ng. they can flame Page. NOT HERE!
questioning song authorship is not flaming. Flaming is Jimmy Page is a (insert
your perjorative expletive here)!!!!
Discussion and argument are not flaming. At no time have either Myself or
Stryder used invectives or name calling to each other. We disagree on this
issue, to be sure, but we've done it quite civily, so far. I merely asked S167
to back up his "Jimmy sez so" with a citeable source. I cited my source, Jeff
Beck in GW 5-99 issue
Jordonfree
DJ-
It was a jestful reply.
I meant no offence.
I'm sorry.
Do men get PMS?
Page Male Syndrome?
I'm sorry I just said that.
You're a cool guy.
Keep a-coolin', friend.
:-)
Ariel
DJMangin
>It was a jestful reply.
>I meant no offence.
>I'm sorry.
>Do men get PMS?
>Page Male Syndrome?
>I'm sorry I just said that.
>You're a cool guy.
>Keep a-coolin', friend.
no taken my friend, just venting, due to fact that I got the "stay behind and
hold down the fort whilst the rest of tehm got to leave early thursday blues
man"
btw, even thought it shows DJ in my e-mail addr, I go by Dave, so as not to
confuse other aml-z'ers with the other DJ on here (and who was here 1st!)
Jordonfree
>>DJ-
>>It was a jestful reply.
>>I meant no offence.
>>I'm sorry.
>>Do men get PMS?
>>Page Male Syndrome?
>>I'm sorry I just said that.
>>You're a cool guy.
>>Keep a-coolin', friend.
>no taken my friend, just venting, due to fact that I got the "stay behind and
>hold down the fort whilst the rest of tehm got to leave early thursday blues
>man"
awwwWWww! I'm sorry. That sucks.
I'll keep you company, I'm sick today.
:(
No work.
No pay. :*-(O)
>btw, even thought it shows DJ in my e-mail addr, I go by Dave, so as not to
>confuse other aml-z'ers with the other DJ on here (and who was here 1st!)
Oh, sorry Dave.
(In my best kB: eye surry! I no know dat U no dJ. U iz Dave. Hi Dave!.)
Sorry DJ,
eye No know...
(God, that's hard to do kB!)
Hope you get to go home soon, Dave!
Ariel
hootch...@my-deja.com
shredder--but he does not play that way very often because unfortunately
it seems he doesn't want to be pigeon-holed for one style and I think
this has hurt his popularity.
Of the Yardbird three (listed here in my order of preference), Jimmy
will give you the knock-out gigantum killer riffs, Jeff gives the guitar
sounds that you never knew six strings on a guitar could make, and
Clapton the steady blues picker who (in the three times I've seen him)
never seems to miss a note.
I've seen Beck w/Stevie Ray Vaughan and also with Santana. He plays
pretty wicked for someone who (usually) doesn't use a pick.
Of all Jeff's most "Zep-sounding" albums, I would venture it would
have to be "Guitar Shop," a late-80s release.
He's just one of those players that people either really 'get into'--or
are indifferent to. I once made tape for a three guitar-playing friends
(whom I respect in their musical tastes) and two of them said Jeff Beck
did nothing for them, but one was totally blown away by his playing.
Beck just never seemed to form the right bands he could relate to
personality-wise and never really edged towards a "pop" sound. He is
fortunate his skills have never diminished as much as Jimmy's did FOR A
WHILE THERE (of course, until the last Page/Plant tour when
Pagey's playing was outstanding).
I'm rambling ...
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> The thing that gets me about this question is why care? You either
> like the guy's music or you don't, and I can see how somebody can not
> like Jeff Beck.
So true! Who cares as long as some overrated junk doesn't stop the music
you love made available! (Unfortunately, this can happen you know. Too
money grabbing bastard in the music industry.)
Hideki - Jeff is the best man to ME and that's that.
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STRYDER167
>Page's account have more credibility than Beck's? In other words, why do
>you believe Page rather than Beck on this matter?
Page is modest when it comes to what roles he played when he did sessions. If
the artist didn't want to give him credit ,he didn't take it. When it comes to
Beck,he was very straight forward when he said I wrote it , I played it. That
quote can be found in the book IN THERE OWN WORDs.
Stryder167
STRYDER167
In there own words. Thats the name on the book.
>God is God, Page ain't even close, just a mere mortal like you or I
>
I'm not mortal, what are you talking about? Page is God
He is my saviour
He endorses all my sins.
Stryder167
Jordonfree
Todd Pulaski
> >>except for Beck's Bolero, which ironically was written by Jimmy
> >>Page.
> >
> >world
> >"Page came in and he had the rhythms down for that song and I came up with
> >the
> >leads"
> to the point when its come to that song. Page states he wrote it, he Played it,
> end of story.
> Stryder167
Page came up with some very compelling riffs but he is nowhere close to the kind of technical proficiency that Beck has.