by kB (German) and Joe C. Hecht (German??) and Denis Leary (Irish)
10. Because Jimmy had coke then. If Hitler had coke there would be Jews
lined up in the bathroom saying "I know you didn't do it" <snort> "I like
your mustache!" <snort> "Friggin' Himmler!" <snort>.
9. Because any Jew who ever saw him in the outfit was either even more
messed up on drugs than he was, the show promoter or Zeppelin publicist
8. Because Nazis were the reason they got Israel back.
7. Led Zeppelin had anti-Christian messages hidden on their records.
6. Because it was only a reproduction outfit.
5. Because it was an original outfit sold to Page by a Jewish owned "Nazi
Outfits For Rock Stars" store.
4. They knew better than to take someone seriously who is surrounded by bell
bottoms that go 20 feet straight out with homeless people living under them.
3. Peter Grant made the Nazi outfit sign letter of indemnification absolving
Jimmy from being the reason of any offense that may or may not have been
taken.
2. Because Jimmy had his fingers crossed the whole time instead of having a
broken finger like he claimed.
1. Because Jimmy Page is Jimmy Page and he's cool and he can do whatever the
friggin' hell he wants to do!! End of Friggin' List!!!
kabballah Bethleham
> Joe C. Hecht (German??)
Joe C. Hecht := (German + Jew + (English * 2)) / 4;
> 8. Because Nazis were the reason they got Israel back.
That took a lot of thought to reason, and a lot of
guts to say it. I'm not opposed to free thinking,
and certainly not opposed to seeing the bright side
either. I never really thought of it that way, and
will never forget it either.
Joe
--
Joe C. Hecht
http://home1.gte.net/joehecht/index.htm
Sorry to offend anyone or be a party pooper, but some things are too
senselessly dumb to ignore. I have to say that I didn't actually READ the
entire original post, but the same goes for me with any of KB's posts.... they
just don't do a thing for me and are a complete waste of time to (almost)
anyone but him....
christopher
KB's humor is enjoyable. He pushes the limit sometimes, but that's what humor
is about. And the Nazi/Isreal link is thought provoking.
I miss the days where I was able to joke about molesting children. Now, because
there are idiots that actually do these things, it ruins the joke.
When the absurd is no longer the absurd, it's absurd.
--Brian--Groundskeeper of the Hedgerow
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>That took a lot of thought to reason, and a lot of
>guts to say it. I'm not opposed to free thinking,
>and certainly not opposed to seeing the bright side
>either. I never really thought of it that way, and
>will never forget it either.
It wasn't meant to upset anyone. I imagine some people would be offended but
they shouldn't wear their feelings on their sleeve. It was just absurd
reasoning. And to point out now, on the one about being more messed up on
drugs than Jimmy that meant any Jewish person in the audience would be a fan
and so they were probably on something as well as everyone else. Not them in
particular. and i know not every fan from that time did drugs either. But I
have to exagerate things to make these worthwhile to read. I think and hope
everyone understands that.
kB
Please subit to the Readers Digest - Quatable Quotes dept.
Your intentions do not excuse the outcome. "Why don't you take a good look at
yourself and describe what you see, and baby baby baby do you like it."
> I imagine some people would be offended but
>they shouldn't wear their feelings on their sleeve. It was just absurd
>reasoning. And to point out now, on the one about being more messed up on
>drugs than Jimmy that meant any Jewish person in the audience would be a fan
>and so they were probably on something as well as everyone else. Not them in
>particular. and i know not every fan from that time did drugs either. But I
>have to exagerate things to make these worthwhile to read. I think and hope
>everyone understands that.
>
>kB
Dontcha just think it's, like, really stupid when Jew get upset by
anti-Semitism? I mean, one little Holocaust and they're all up in arms! Geez!
Can't they take a joke!?
Yeah, we're real grateful to Hitler for getting us back to Israel. That was
mighty white of him. He's listed as a righteous gentile in the scrolls of the
Elders of Zion. Right along with you, KB.
Next year in Jerusalem, Bennyboy. You might want to visit it sometime. Take a
look at Yad Vashem, the Holocaust museum. Then get back to me.
Enjoy.
Linda "Funny you don't look Jewish" Leeb Duper
nlzw...@aol.com wrote:
> Sorry to offend anyone or be a party pooper, but some things are too
>senselessly dumb to ignore. I have to say that I didn't actually READ the
>entire original post, but the same goes for me with any of KB's posts....
>they
>just don't do a thing for me and are a complete waste of time to (almost)
>anyone but him....
Ariel
>Sorry if I seem ignorant, but what was the original story behind Jimmy and
>the Nazi suit?
It was a costume he wore, of a storm-trooper, on stage, kind of an "in your
face," "I love it if you hate it" act of a rebel showman.
It was when rock and rolled really tried to rock and get us shakin' all over.
Bad boys and why we love them...?
Ariel
To be fair (and honest) I'm really not sure it is intended
to be a NAZI "suit". Perhaps it was intended to be more
"WWI-ish".
In any case, Shayna is probably going to have a fit when
she gets back and see this thread. Perhaps we should get
busy and cancel it!
I'm not looking to excuse the outcome.
>
>
>Dontcha just think it's, like, really stupid when Jew get upset by
>anti-Semitism?
no
I mean, one little Holocaust and they're all up in arms!
Up in arms about a holocaust I can understand. But over something I wrote?
I'm not really that influential.
Geez!
> Can't they take a joke!?
They all think the same?
>
>Yeah, we're real grateful to Hitler for getting us back to Israel. That
was
>mighty white of him. He's listed as a righteous gentile in the scrolls of
the
>Elders of Zion. Right along with you, KB.
Jimmy wore Nazi outfit. Most Jews weren't offended based on who I've talked
to about it. Why weren't they offended? Several reasons. That's a serious
topic of discussion. and worthwhile in my opinion. I just made up stuff at
the top of my head. I asked myself "What would be some *ridiculous* reasons
for the Jewish not to be offended by that. "Ridiculous" also means UNTRUE.
What I wrote was of course untrue. Coming up with an untrue statement to be
presented *AS* untrue doesn't make me anti-semitic. I'm not. Maybe guilty of
something else but not anti-semitic. If I would of known it would of upset
you I wouldn't of posted it. I didn't think anyone would but I was wrong.
FWIW, I'll be more careful from now on.
>
>Next year in Jerusalem, Bennyboy. You might want to visit it sometime.
Take a
>look at Yad Vashem, the Holocaust museum. Then get back to me.
I don't need a museum to get what ever I need to be able to get back to you.
The holocaust and WWII affects me just as deeply as it does you.
kB
Thanks. I hope I can live longer than Lenny Bruce.
kBi
>kBi
Just stick with your heroes and don't get stuck with heroin.
<girl smile>
So, can I play Eva Braun as Miss Pamela?
Ariel
I know a Jewish biker and alot of his biker friemnds have swastika tatoos.
But he doesn't consider them neo-nazis. he says he would never belong to a
club of neo-nazis. They are for shock value only..
kB
Shayna has the best sense of humor of anyone I can think of Joe. As another
Jewess, I can't speak for her, but, I hate being so picky about what I can and
can't say in cyberspace, you know?
I think Jimmy wore what I recognize as clearly an authentic WWII uniform of the
Stormtroopers, without any more controversy. He wore it to be Jimmy, like it
or hate it. He's about the music. Love him for his gift, not his weird sense
of humor.
That's just him as a young man. He just wears black now. He's repented? Who
cares?
Ariel
This has gotten really silly. I think KB should go to alt.music.comicwannabee
and you should follow him.....
christopher
maybe he knows how to skip the threads that don't interest him, too.
carol
just like my radio, which has a tuning and on/off button to avoid what I don't
wanna hear!
nlzw...@aol.com wrote:
> For cryin' out loud, this is a worldwide forum about Led Zeppelin. KB's top
>ten and other musings should be sent via private email to his loyal and
>adoring
>subjects, and leave the board's bandwidth to serious Zepfans who don't need
>any
>more nonsense in their lives than they see every day outside their door.
> I'd like to think Page checks in here occasionally. However unlikely that
>is,
>in the event that he did what do you think he would say upon reading this
>thread? I've got an idea : ...."Bloody rubbish."...
> Think about it....
> christopher
Ariel
Maybe he does.
I'm sure he would only stick to the serious ones, without humor, art,
spirituality or kindness. He would only be interested in what kind of amps we
are interested in.
Get real sweetie.
Ariel
--
Corey
King Benny <kingb...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7jfu01$bqb$1...@ins8.netins.net...
and now I'm the Pied Piper.
kB
kindness?
carol
No, what has gotten ridiculous is that in a free form forum of Led Zeppelin
fans, there are those that instead of sticking to the mucho, ad nauseum,
numerous, numbingly boring posts about Seattle '78, Robert's genitals, etc.,
they feel compelled to self-righteously declare their indignation towards
anyone who is a creative person in the spirit of Jimmy, Robbie, Jonesy and
Bonham.
Listen Christopher, I don't care to declare a war on you, but, you have decided
that you should moderate the opinions of a wide and varied group of music fans.
Led Zeppelin is not a functional band anymore, or am I missing something?
Page/Plant are not touring and the men have virtually disappeared. Is this
nothing more than a trading post of posts for old boots and tapes? Do you
really believe that would be interesting to everyone?
For your information, kB and me are true Led Zeppelin fans, for a lot longer
than you. We both are guitarists. We both love satire.
We obviously love Jimmy Page, Robert Plant, John Paul Jones and John Bonham.
Why do you feel compelled to believe that *WE* are the *TROLLS*?
The spirit of Led Zeppelin was a creative one. I perceive in Robert and Jimmy
exquisite senses of humor. I think you're missing something, I feel sorry that
you are so politically correct, and humorless in every way.
If you have an opinion about things, fine, share it here. But, you have
decided that it is okay to moderate the serious nature of this oh, so serious
group. It is not a moderated group, ok? I have already requested Newsmaster
for a new group, so creative and happy fans of Led Zeppelin can meet and laugh
in a cheerful waffle house without constant flame war and persecution by mean
people.
U kan bee az mizrabbel az ewe wont to bee.
I reely donut kare.
Ariel
Thank you for ranting Corey. As another Jew, I feel the exact same way. It is
a Hitlerian mentality that declares what IS PC and what we should be reading.
I was pissed off until I read your post. Bless you. You made me smile.
Something that this group needs to do more of lately.
Ariel
Also, every one gets so upset
>when anyone assaults their own ethnic/social/religious background, but
>doesn't bother to say anything when someone else's background is slandered.
>As far as I'm concerned, anyone who raises their voice in protest to one
>slur while keeping quiet to another is racist or bigoted. Their partial
>silence is tantamount to acceptance, and that's just not OK.
Apathy is worse because it fosters an atmosphere that will allow more and
more to a greater degree.
I'm sure that
>anyone with a semblance of intelligence understood that you were only
trying
>to add a little levity to the everyday drudgery of our existences. To
>paraphrase a quote from "the practice", anyone who was up in arms about
your
>top ten list is not underestimating your intelligence, they are assuming
>that you don't have any. If anyone wants to be upset at KB, why don't you
>all be upset at me instead, a Jewish guy with a disturbed sense of humor?
>Here's the disturbed Jewish joke of the day: What's the difference
betweeen
>a Jew and a pizza? A: A pizza doesn't scream when you put it in the oven.
>Don't you all see that KB is not promoting hatred? He is promoting humor,
>the greatest salve we have (hey, that rhymes!) I hope that you will all
now
>forgive me for that rant. Peace and love to all.
3 or 4 years ago I had a band where i played guitar and did some of the
vocals. Songs such as Ebony And Ivory are "positive" race relation songs. I
came up with an idea to do it in a backward sort of a way. I got this black
guy to duet with me on this song. Only difference is that we screamed at the
top of our lungs to a punk/hardcore style with a groove. And the lyrics were
us taking turns screaming at each other using every racist name we could
think of. We thought we were being radical and it turned out great. It was
pretty intense when we actually recorded it. We knew we were both pretending
but there was more under the surface than met the eye. It was good therapy
for us both. We had eye contact the whole time we was recording it and it
was one of the most intense feelings I ever had. Like is this real or not?
It was funny to play the song for someone because I had the first vocal turn
and people would look at me like I was Hitler himself. Then when the black
guy's turn came they started to figure it out and now all of a sudden i'm
cool again in their eyes. heh heh
kB
>kindness?
>carol
Yes, Websters defines it as the state or quality of being kind. Meaning not
being mean.
Ariel
Can't we all just make fun of ourselves and those around us?
Thanks, you over-sensitive, tight assed, humourless, serious Zep fans, for
letting us know what to say.
On Mon, 7 Jun 1999 11:38:40 -0400, "Corey Rossman" <coreyr...@mindspring.com>
wrote:
>KB, stop defending yourself. You don't have to. You have nothing to be
>sorry about. The worst crime would be to forget or ignore that the
>holocaust ever happened. I'm Jewish, and I have no problem with anything
>you said. This country is slowly becoming so fucking uptight that no one
>can truly risk opening their mouth any more. Also, every one gets so upset
>when anyone assaults their own ethnic/social/religious background, but
>doesn't bother to say anything when someone else's background is slandered.
>As far as I'm concerned, anyone who raises their voice in protest to one
>slur while keeping quiet to another is racist or bigoted. Their partial
>silence is tantamount to acceptance, and that's just not OK. I'm sure that
>anyone with a semblance of intelligence understood that you were only trying
>to add a little levity to the everyday drudgery of our existences. To
>paraphrase a quote from "the practice", anyone who was up in arms about your
>top ten list is not underestimating your intelligence, they are assuming
>that you don't have any. If anyone wants to be upset at KB, why don't you
>all be upset at me instead, a Jewish guy with a disturbed sense of humor?
>Here's the disturbed Jewish joke of the day: What's the difference betweeen
>a Jew and a pizza? A: A pizza doesn't scream when you put it in the oven.
>Don't you all see that KB is not promoting hatred? He is promoting humor,
>the greatest salve we have (hey, that rhymes!) I hope that you will all now
>forgive me for that rant. Peace and love to all.
--Brian--Groundskeeper of the Hedgerow
* http://sevensages.com/sites/amlz/
* * * * *
-----replace 'junkmail' with 'amlz' in the email address---
>just like my radio, which has a tuning and on/off button to avoid what I
don't
>wanna hear!
Sorry. But your radio can't go with you when it's your turn to burn in hell.
Satan
hahahaha.....Jimmy?? Is there hope for him.....God Bless Him.........(he wears
black more now to soften the face, and what a beautiful face it still
is.....sigh)
GOOD ZING ARIEL!
ZING #2....... "-)
You're gonna burn in hell you little Jewish girl. With Jimmy burning right
next to you.
Satan
Satan
Like you're the first person to tell me that.
<yawn> I'm shaking, I'm so worried. :)
Ariel
I never thought of that. Huh, Maybe I'll start wearing more black. And he does
have a great face, especially his eyes and smile. He actually looks better
these days in a lot of ways.
Ariel
>
>Like you're the first person to tell me that.
><yawn> I'm shaking, I'm so worried. :)
>
Damn Jew broads. Never know when to shut the freak up in the presence of
Satanic authority. I give up. I'm outta here.
Satan
pretty eyes.....yes he's still vain....great teeth STILL!!! He's always has
great teeth. Anyone notice that except me? Are they real? Not typical
English teeth. But the hair I'm still grieving for.it doesn't look really bad
tho. It's growing on me.(not him)
THE RADIO WON'T NEED TO GO..........Hell will have the greatest concert
ever....unfortunately......just make sure you're not there. All the more
reason to get Jimmy into Heaven! Haha.......
Great teeth. Cheshire cat smile.I guess they're real, at least I'm sure he's
paid for them by now.
> But the hair I'm still grieving for.it doesn't >look really
>bad
>tho. It's growing on me.(not him)
I like him with short hair. He was way too feminine with long hair. He looks
great, imo.
I just wish we got to see more of him.
Jimmy, oh Jimmy: Where are you?
Ariel
Haha well...I guess it depends on what "fake" teeth are. Surely his are capped,
and have been fixed. I think we've all seen the heroin addict smile of the
80's...well that's gone now...and those things don't fix themselves lol.
Phil
On Sun, 6 Jun 1999 02:56:03 -0500, "King Benny"
<kingb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Top 10 Reasons Jews Were Not Offended By Jimmy's Nazi Outfit
>
>by kB (German) and Joe C. Hecht (German??) and Denis Leary (Irish)
>
>10. Because Jimmy had coke then. If Hitler had coke there would be Jews
>lined up in the bathroom saying "I know you didn't do it" <snort> "I like
>your mustache!" <snort> "Friggin' Himmler!" <snort>.
>
>9. Because any Jew who ever saw him in the outfit was either even more
>messed up on drugs than he was, the show promoter or Zeppelin publicist
>
>8. Because Nazis were the reason they got Israel back.
>
>7. Led Zeppelin had anti-Christian messages hidden on their records.
>
>6. Because it was only a reproduction outfit.
>
>5. Because it was an original outfit sold to Page by a Jewish owned "Nazi
>Outfits For Rock Stars" store.
>
>4. They knew better than to take someone seriously who is surrounded by bell
>bottoms that go 20 feet straight out with homeless people living under them.
>
>3. Peter Grant made the Nazi outfit sign letter of indemnification absolving
>Jimmy from being the reason of any offense that may or may not have been
>taken.
>
>2. Because Jimmy had his fingers crossed the whole time instead of having a
>broken finger like he claimed.
>
>1. Because Jimmy Page is Jimmy Page and he's cool and he can do whatever the
>friggin' hell he wants to do!! End of Friggin' List!!!
>
>kabballah Bethleham
>
>
Expressing outrage at offensive material is not necessarily "being PC," which
is now the orthodox backlash cry. It's so easy to cry "PC" and let slip the
dogs of bigotry, it keeps you from having to actually consider that there
might, just might be something wrong with what has been said, it keeps you from
having to examine your own attitudes or think about what it must be like for
others.
There are, of course, many ridiculous instances of PC-ness that are little more
than thought-free knee-jerk reactions that end up entirely missing the
point--removing "Huckleberry Finn" from libraries because Twain uses the N-word
strikes me as a prime example. But to automatically label any protest at all
as PC is just as knee-jerk.
Besides, I loathe politics.
Racist humor is still racist. In my mind, the former outweighs the latter.
There's plenty of stuff in the world to laught at without picking on people.
As for the charges of being humorless and/or unintelligent, my record on this
NG will have to speak for itself. To label me as a humorless dimwit is to
entirely ignore ample evidence of a highly developed sense of humor--and not a
particularly squeamish one either. And I am not pluming myself but just
stating a fact when I lay claim to considerably more than a modicum of
intelligence.
As for the charge of only speaking up in defense of my own "people," this is
also false. I have spoken up before, both on and off the NG, about all kinds
of stuff, in defense of all kinds of people, and will undoubtedly do so again
as long as some people prejudice funny and get their giggles and sense of worth
by kicking others.
On a side note, some nice folks rushed to Shayna's defense about how funny she
would have found this. Interestingly, Shayna and I have been emailing back and
forth on this subject, and basically she expressed the opinion that she, too,
found it deeply un-funny for the same reasons I did.
Naturally, you are all free to disagree with me. I have no problem with
different opinions. I do have a problem with prejudice, cloaked in alleged
humor or otherwise.
Impolitically-
LindaD
And may I say that I feel absolutly terrible for
spawing the whole mess when I listed it in my
suggestions for a top ten list.
Appologies to everyone. It was a question I had wondered
about, but suggesting it as a top 10 subject was very
inapproprate. I take full responsibility.
Joe
--
Joe C. Hecht
http://home1.gte.net/joehecht/index.htm
I was originally responding to someone who was attacking kB and it rubbed me
the wrong way. But, everyone is entitled to their own choices. Sorry if I, in
turn, rubbed people the wrong way. I've got to lose that darn soap box,
myself.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
Ariel
- - - - - - - - -- - - - - - -
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
><>;
Shayna :)
And I still find the comment about 'the reason they have Israel' as thought
provoking. Sick, but still provoking.
--Brian--Groundskeeper of the Hedgerow
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>Sometimes people don't get why some people
>can tell 'bad' jokes, and others can. It usually stems from what's in the
>heart. Or to bring it back to music, Michael Bolton can't sing the blues.
I don't believe kB is antisemetic, but, I think he was sorry he even started
the thread.
You're also right about Michael Bolton not being able to sing, oh and the
blues, too. ;-)
Anyway, now that I've cooled down, I'm sorry I was ever born.
I'm sorry as a Jew, I made Nazi jokes,too.
I'm sorry I thought Jimmy as a stormtrooper was cute.
I'm sorry Bubbi and Zeyda.
I'm sorry Shayna and Ludi.
Pardonez-moi, s'il vous plait.
>And I still find the comment about 'the reason they have Israel' as thought
>provoking. Sick, but still provoking.
>
There *is* something to it y'know?
Lots of prophecy, line upon line and precept upon precept, here a little and
there a little..... It all fits.
Makes me wonder.
>OK, I'm gonna chime in once more and then leave this thread.
That seems to be your SOP. Hurl accusations and then run off to avoid the
responsibilities that you have created for yourself.
.>
>Expressing outrage at offensive material is not necessarily "being PC,"
which
>is now the orthodox backlash cry. It's so easy to cry "PC" and let slip
the
>dogs of bigotry, it keeps you from having to actually consider that there
>might, just might be something wrong with what has been said,
Is that what everyone on the ng who disagrees with you is doing? Unleashing
dogs of bigotry. Not analyzing in their mind what has been said by me. But
what if someone finds fault with what you say? Why would they not analyze
what I say but analyze what you say? Do you know why you can't answer that
last question honestly in your own mind (unless you're a paranoid
schizoprenic)? Because anything we BOTH say gets analyzed by EVERYONE. We
just might not like the outcome, that's all.
it keeps you from
>having to examine your own attitudes or think about what it must be like
for
>others.
Now are you saying that everyone who disagrees with you on this is not
examining their own attitudes or not thinking about what it must be like for
others? You say once "the dogs of bigotry are unleashed" then all this has
to happen.
>There are, of course, many ridiculous instances of PC-ness that are little
more
>than thought-free knee-jerk reactions that end up entirely missing the
>point
like your version.
--removing "Huckleberry Finn" from libraries because Twain uses the N-word
>strikes me as a prime example.
I see that as more of a real issue than this.
But to automatically label any protest at all
>as PC is just as knee-jerk.
As if someone would label an "anti-pc" protest as "PC".
>Besides, I loathe politics.
I can't bring myself to loathe anything that is necessaary to my well-being
at the moment.
>
>Racist humor is still racist.
I don't find anything "humorous" about anything racist. I'm surprised that
you do.
In my mind, the former outweighs the latter.
For that to happen you would have to find the joke funny. The funnier you
thought it was then the more it would weigh in your mind. Speaking for
myself, racism is racism.
>There's plenty of stuff in the world to laught at without picking on
people.
>As for the charges of being humorless and/or unintelligent, my record on
this
>NG will have to speak for itself.
You an intelligent poster with a sense of humor? NG records alone don't mean
crap. A person's whole life up to the present is what he or she is.
To label me as a humorless dimwit is to
>entirely ignore ample evidence of a highly developed sense of humor
Why are you so special that you can ignore evidence and no one else can. How
come you can label me a humorless racist and "entirely ignore ample evidence
of a highly developed sense of" non racist ideas and attitudes? Because you
feel that you're different and different "rules of judgement" apply to you,
that's why. That's how we're different. You think I'm being racist and so
you call me racist while ignoring evidence to the contrary. I think you're
being a humorless dimwit but I won't call you that because I haven't
examined the evidence to decide rather or not you are.
--and not a
>particularly squeamish one either. And I am not pluming myself but just
>stating a fact when I lay claim to considerably more than a modicum of
>intelligence.
For someone who is claiming to be defending themselves on charges you sure
aren't doing very well. When on "trial" (as you are pretending) it is best
not to brag about how intelligent you are. A. Judges and jurors don't
usually like braggarts B. a defendant who were to say that he was
"intelligent" can be viewed by the jury as someone who could be wise enough
to cover their guilty tracks.
>
>As for the charge of only speaking up in defense of my own "people," this
is
>also false. I have spoken up before, both on and off the NG, about all
kinds
>of stuff, in defense of all kinds of people, and will undoubtedly do so
again
How many kinds of people are there? How many kinds of people have you
defended on and off the ng?
as long as some people prejudice funny and get their giggles and sense of
worth
>by kicking others.
I usually just kick people with a "Kick Me" sign on their back. They should
pay more attention to their surrroundings.
>
>On a side note, some nice folks rushed to Shayna's defense about how funny
she
>would have found this. Interestingly, Shayna and I have been emailing back
and
>forth on this subject, and basically she expressed the opinion that she,
too,
>found it deeply un-funny for the same reasons I did.
If you laugh then it's funny. If you don't laugh then it's not funny.
Needing to have "reasons" to be able to find something unfunny is a sad. Not
to mention funny, too. Sad and funny...like a clown.
>
>Naturally, you are all free to disagree with me. I have no problem with
>different opinions. I do have a problem with prejudice, cloaked in alleged
>humor or otherwise.
There are two types of "problems". Real and imagined. Each with their own
unique solutions. Real problems demand real solutions. Imaginary problems
demand imaginary solutions. You have incorrectly assumed something to be
real and it is not. Everything you build upon it no matter how good it
sounds is only in your imagination. You should take an imaginary
sledgehammer and knock down this imaginary wall you have put around you so
you can see and be truly free. I can't do it for you since my sledgehammer
is real. (no pun intended)
kB
Not trying to be obtuse here, buy why are you apologizing to me?
Ludi
Ludi here, sticking her nose where it doesn't belong, as usual....and
stating *my* opinion on something which may not be the same as what LDuper
meant.
I thought it sounded more like "wanted to express my opinion, but don't want
to get into a big long drawn out argument which may result in hurt feelings
and resentment."
And, just out of curiosity, how did you come to the conclusion that this is
her SOP? and what the heck is SOP anyway?
Ludi
>> That seems to be your SOP. Hurl accusations and then run off to avoid the
>> responsibilities that you have created for yourself.
>
>Ludi here, sticking her nose where it doesn't belong, as usual....and
>stating *my* opinion on something which may not be the same as what LDuper
>meant.
>I thought it sounded more like "wanted to express my opinion, but don't
want
>to get into a big long drawn out argument which may result in hurt feelings
>and resentment."
I don't want an argument either. Since her opinion included her opinion on
me of which I very strongly disagree with I wanted people who read her post
to read my response so that they would know that I disagree. So my post was
my opinion on her opinion. It seemed fair to do that. That's all.
>
>And, just out of curiosity, how did you come to the conclusion that this is
>her SOP?
Because she did it in her first post. And then she stated in her opening
sentence that she was going to do it again. Point fingers and run. That is
avoiding responsibilities in my opinion.
and what the heck is SOP anyway?
standard operating procedure.
kB
>Not trying to be obtuse here, buy why are you apologizing to me?
Prison wardens don't like it when a prisoner asks them "How can you be so
obtuse."
kB
Joe had nothing to do with it. I jusk asked for ideas and he listed about
3000 of them. What people found offensive is what I wrote, not what he
wrote.
kB
And Joe was worried about getting credit in the beginning. Credit is a
double edged sword.
kB
Ludi,
I feel like I needed to, as a Jewish gal, who joined in on the soapbox drama,
putting out my four cents on why I don't like being PC, etc. And I wrote a
thread opener about Jimmy being the fuhrer. I felt afterwards thatit was in
poor taste and it may have fueled more bad feelings.
I knew Joe and kB didn't mean to be racist, but, as I saw the reaction that you
and Shayna had, I felt really bad that I didn't feel badly, and then I felt so
bad about that.
I apologize for something every day, Ludi.
When it rains, I tell people, "I'm sorry."
When someone feels blue, "I'm sorry."
I'm always sorry.
I'm a sorry person, what can I say?
I always reconsider things I could have done better and I am extremely critical
of myself, so I constantly apologize. It drives my friends crazy. And then I
apologize for being annoying and insecure. It baffles most people why I feel
so responsible for all the injustices real and imagined in the world. I'm an
extremely empathetic soul, so much so that I'm pathetic, myself. And I'm sorry
for that.
I'm sorry.
kB confessed:
>Joe had nothing to do with it. I jusk asked for ideas and he listed about
>3000 of them. What people found offensive is what I wrote, not what he
>wrote.
>
>kB
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> I knew Joe and kB didn't mean to be racist
Far from it. I'm 1/4 Jew myself, my family
escaped Germany back in 1937.
I made a very bad choice for a thread I
really anted to post, as I really do not
understand why the Jews were not offended.
I hate all forms of "hate" (except hate of hate).
Joe
It was a *very* bad way to present a question
thats been on my mind for some time.
I take the full weight, and the full blame for my actions.
Joe
--
I'll accept the credit. Not that I am proud, cause I am not.
It was perhaps the worst post I ever made. I realize that
my remarks about the Colorado school shooting probably sounded
as bad, but those remarks were very badly worded on my
part, and interpreted, by many, in a much different way
than I had intended. I learned that posting after a bottle
of Pinot Nior is not always a good idea.
I screwed up, and have lost the friendship of many
in the process. I got my just dessert...
Appologies to the house.
Joe
I like people who hate to hate.
I now feel bad that I wasn't offended except that I was suffering a cerebral
infarct at the time. Or I'm just really stupid.
If you forgive me then I forgive you, too.
Hitler is in Hell.
I'm always fast to forgive. No need to broker a deal :)
I forgot to mention that part of the family
escaped. The Jewish side (that did not leave)
got exterminated.
> If you forgive me then I forgive you, too.
Hey! I didn't even know there was anything to forgive
on your side!
> Hitler is in Hell.
If not, I would check South America... Brazil perhaps?
[oops... that was bad... very bad...]
Joe
I realize that
>my remarks about the Colorado school shooting probably sounded
>as bad, but those remarks were very badly worded on my
>part, and interpreted, by many, in a much different way
>than I had intended.
(paraphrased)
This bugs me. Now this is what I call overemotionalism. A kid gets stuck
in a well. For 6 days the newspaper headlines screamed "Child Trapped In
Well!! Nation Awaits In Vigil!!" Meanwhile you can go to any cosmopoilitan
city and look in the classifieds and still see "Orientals may buy here."
"Negroes may buy here." Some schmuck gets stuck in a well and the entire
nation stays up for a week. Anyway they get this kid out of the well and the
doctor sends him a bill. Everyone flips. "Is that guy kidding? That fruit!
What a rat! What kind of nerve does this guy have sending this poor kid a
bill!" Yeah, what right does a doctor who has spent 12 and 15 years in
school and worked, I mean this is the hardest gig in the world - after all
this time training, what right does he have sending a poor kid a bill?
Actually it brought so much heat on the AMA...<lots deleted>...by the way,
the report comes in. The child is rescued from the well! The doctor's bill
will not have to be paid! ...but in the meantime the child will have to be
returned to the well.
-- Lenny Bruce (Schneider)
kB
Actually, my dad had family in Europe that went to Brazil and Argentina where
the Nazis continued to persecute them there. It became a haven for Nazis as
well. Remember that movie, "Boys in Brazil"?
No question that exterminating races is a bad thing. Can anyone tell me
what happened to the Canaanites?
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I don't think one has to feel bad about not being offended by the post,
regardless of Jewish heritage, or Liberal thinking, or anything. If you
weren't offended, then you weren't offended. There is no rule that says you
MUST be offended. Even the unwritten decency rule doesn't apply here.
I think the reason some were not offended is because they took it exactly how it
was meant, as humor. Being offended is not a sign of stupidity or
over-sensitivity, or a lack of sensitivity, it just means it is offensive to
you. If I didn't have a sense of humor I might be offended by the portrayal of a
killer rabbit, since it is offensive to even think that a cute little bunny
rabbit is a killer even though it has huge, huge fangs.
I actually don't really like blonde jokes. I don't have any blond blood in me,
so I can't claim to be 1/4 blonde (though I do seem to be 1/16 gray now).
{I}--{I}
And watch it on the dentist jokes. I hate anti-dentites.
On 12 Jun 1999 01:49:58 GMT, jordo...@aol.com (Ariel Jordon) wrote:
>joeh...@gte.net wrote:
>>> I knew Joe and kB didn't mean to be racist
>>
>>Far from it. I'm 1/4 Jew myself, my family
>>escaped Germany back in 1937.
>>
>>I made a very bad choice for a thread I
>>really anted to post, as I really do not
>>understand why the Jews were not offended.
>>
>>I hate all forms of "hate" (except hate of hate).
>>
>>Joe
>
>I like people who hate to hate.
>I now feel bad that I wasn't offended except that I was suffering a cerebral
>infarct at the time. Or I'm just really stupid.
>If you forgive me then I forgive you, too.
>Hitler is in Hell.
>
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>Ariel
>- - - - - - - - -- - - - - - -
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>><>;
Brian - groundskeeper of the Hedgerow
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> It became a haven for Nazis as well.
Jimmy hangs out there too!
Answer #1: A blonde doesn't need any laughing gas.
Answer #2: A dentist doesn't have to tell a blonde that he loves her 10
times before and 10 times after like he does with his wife.
How come a dentist won't extract a wisdom tooth from a blonde?
Answer: Because he isn't a brain surgeon.
What do you get when you cross a dentist with a blonde?
Answer: Someone who believes in the tooth fairy.
kB
>Being offended is not a sign of stupidity or
>over-sensitivity, or a lack of sensitivity, it just means it is offensive to
>you. If I didn't have a sense of humor I might be offended by the portrayal
>of a
>killer rabbit, since it is offensive to even think that a cute little bunny
>rabbit is a killer even though it has huge, huge fangs.
A kiwwer wabbit?
>I actually don't really like blonde jokes. I don't have any blond blood in
>me,
>so I can't claim to be 1/4 blonde (though I do seem to be 1/16 gray now).
>{I}--{I}
Bless you for that.
>And watch it on the dentist jokes. I hate anti-dentites.
I like people who are anti-antidentites.
>On 12 Jun 1999 01:49:58 GMT, jordo...@aol.com (Ariel Jordon) wrote:
>
>>joeh...@gte.net wrote:
>>>> I knew Joe and kB didn't mean to be racist
>>>
>>>Far from it. I'm 1/4 Jew myself, my family
>>>escaped Germany back in 1937.
>>>
>>>I made a very bad choice for a thread I
>>>really anted to post, as I really do not
>>>understand why the Jews were not offended.
>>>
>>>I hate all forms of "hate" (except hate of hate).
>>>
>>>Joe
>>
>>I like people who hate to hate.
>>I now feel bad that I wasn't offended except that I was suffering a cerebral
>>infarct at the time. Or I'm just really stupid.
>>If you forgive me then I forgive you, too.
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Hmmmmm........
Jimmy likes Nietsche.
Jimmy likes...
Frank (seems to be out of the loop lately) Miller
Joe C. Hecht wrote in message <3761BC...@gte.net>...
>King Benny wrote:
>>
>> Ariel Jordon wrote in message
>> <19990611210218...@ng-cj1.aol.com>...
>> >Repent thou water boy, repent.
>> >You're absolved of spurious calumny, Joe Hecht.
>>
>> And Joe was worried about getting credit in the beginning. Credit is a
>> double edged sword.
>
>
>I'll accept the credit. Not that I am proud, cause I am not.
>
>It was perhaps the worst post I ever made. I realize that
>my remarks about the Colorado school shooting probably sounded
>as bad, but those remarks were very badly worded on my
>part, and interpreted, by many, in a much different way
>than I had intended. I learned that posting after a bottle
>of Pinot Nior is not always a good idea.
>
>I screwed up, and have lost the friendship of many
>in the process. I got my just dessert...
>
>Appologies to the house.
>
;o)
Frank Miller <fmil...@nycap.rr.com> wrote in message
news:EFD83.939$h6.3...@typhoon.nycap.rr.com...
Felt the same way until I was properly
educated.
Cuz they don't understand
them....BAAAAHAAAAAHAHAAAHAAA...heeehehe...hooohoohoo
Ariel Jordon <jordo...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19990613032505...@ng-cs1.aol.com...
"Jim Curtis" wrote:
>Here's a good one. Why don't blondes get offended by "blonde jokes".
>
>Cuz they don't understand
>them....BAAAAHAAAAAHAHAAAHAAA...heeehehe...hooohoohoo
>> >Why does it take a shorter time for a dentist to service a blonde?
And may I add that Lynda *hated* red wine until
she was properly educated. When we got back to Texas,
we held a few wine tastings to educate our freinds.
They fought us tooth and nail, with preconceptions
of hate in regars to red wine. By the time we left
6 months later, the local beer store opened a wine
and cheeze shop to accomodate the new local demand.
Next time ya come up, be ready, have an open mind,
and we show ya how its done. You will be a wine
expert in no time!
: Cuz they don't understand
: them....
I thought that was the whole point of "big-hair" blonde hairdos - to catch
the jokes that go over their heads!
>I thought that was the whole point of "big-hair" blonde hairdos - to catch
>the jokes that go over their heads!
Wait a minnit, here! I'm not taking this personally because I'm not
blonde--but might this not offend a certain person we know of who at
least *used* to have a bunch of big blond hair?! Not too many jokes
probably get past him! ;)
"C"
--but might this not offend a certain person we know of who at
>least *used* to have a bunch of big blond hair?!
David Coverdale? When did he get his hair cut?
kBBkkBBkkBBkkBBkkBBkkBBkkBBkk
If I dont quit seeing the old subject, Im just
going to have to leave this group for good.
Joe[now ya know how to get rid of me]
Don't do that. I'll do my part.
kB
Thanks!
Joe "The Snake"
Now that sounds like a plan! Zeppeling and vino - sounds like a great
match.
;o)
Jimmy thinks so :)
Joe
I like Pinot Noir and Cabernet, but I like Shiraz (sp?) better. Merlot is
nice too.
Hideki - then again I like booze anyway.
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Frank
Lee McCauslin wrote in message ...
>
>Joe C. Hecht <joeh...@gte.net> wrote in message
>news:376478...@gte.net...
>> Next time ya come up, be ready, have an open mind,
>> and we show ya how its done. You will be a wine
>> expert in no time!
>>
>> Joe
>> --
>
>
>Now that sounds like a plan! Zeppeling and vino - sounds like a great
>match.
>
>;o)
>
>
>