John Baxter and Judas Priest
Niedzy
right now on fans about the "real" reason why Rob LEFT Judas Priest. This is
OLD news, it's just that nobody felt safe talking about it.
I have no idea what possessed Rob to think that John Baxter should take over
Judas Priest's management. He had no qualifications as a manager before
meeting Rob, and it is quite obvious why Priest did not want him to take care
of their affairs.
Now there are a lot of theories we Priest fans can come up with concerning this
issue. Of of them is that it was never Rob's intention to leave Priest, but
that John Baxter's ego was so hurt by the band not taking him serious that he
filled Rob's head with "solo-artist" ideas. The infamous fax that ended Rob's
involvement in Priest was not written by Rob Halford but by...... John
Baxter himself.
Also, doesn't anybody here think it's interesting that when Rob Halford sent
his letter to the members of Priest (during the end of the band Two) to repair
his friendship with the band, he says that he will consider returning to Judas
Priest only IF a change of management takes place?!?!?!?
Personally I am glad Priest wanted no involvemnt in this gay melodrama. I met
John Baxter twice during the "Fight" years and I must say it was quite the
turn-off. He was this tacky, tattooed guy full of gold chains hanging from his
neck and wrists. And he had a HUGE problem with me bringing Priest CD's and
posters for Rob to sign.
So when its all said, I am glad Priest has nothing to do with this guy, and I
am glad Rob changed his management team to the Sanctuary Music Management
team...
A lotta water under the bridge here.....
MB
Servo451
into the band?
Not trying to be disrespectful. The whole thing just seems to be missing
some facts and logic unless that's true.
Servo
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Psychosis
Rob was mixing business and personal together and they should be kept
separate. If this is what really happened then I can't blame Priest for
taking a stand. Why should they change their management if they were happy
with it? Just to satisfy Rob and his manager? I don't think so.I have
nothing against Rob being gay. It does not take away from the fact that he
is an excellent singer but if his reason for leaving was that he was
involved with his manager and because of this he wanted his mgr to also
manage Priest then I say Rob was being very selfish and childish and maybe
even being manipulated by his mgr. We also have to remember that there are
two sides to every story and I would like to hear Rob's also because when
you listen to both sides usually you find truth to both sides and somewhere
down the middle is what actually happened
"Servo451" <Serv...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Psychosis
Rob was mixing business and personal together and they should be kept
separate. If this is what really happened then I can't blame Priest for
taking a stand. Why should they change their management if they were happy
with it? Just to satisfy Rob and his manager? I don't think so.I have
nothing against Rob being gay. It does not take away from the fact that he
is an excellent singer but if his reason for leaving was that he was
involved with his manager and because of this he wanted his mgr to also
manage Priest then I say Rob was being very selfish and childish and maybe
even being manipulated by his mgr. We also have to remember that there are
two sides to every story and I would like to hear Rob's also because when
you listen to both sides usually you find truth to both sides and somewhere
down the middle is what actually happened
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Psychosis
Sorry I don't know what happened but it posted twice. My apologies to
everyone in this group.
Servo451
really.
I don't want to take sides- it just seems like the more info that comes out
the more confusing things are.
We will probably never know the whole story. So far I think it looks like
Rob let the little head do the thinking for the big head. Nothing
unforgiveable there I guess- most of us have done that once or twice ;)
I would be nice to hear Rob's side of the story. The *real* story and not
the story created by publicists from both camps for the magazines.
Gosh, that would make a cool movie wouldn't it? heh heh heh.
Oh well.
Servo
Viva la Servia!
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Psychosis
thinking instead of the big head ;) Like u said nothing unforgivable but I
really would like to find out the real story. Not to take sides but just to
know what really happened.
Catman the Great
controversy
> right now on fans about the "real" reason why Rob LEFT Judas Priest.
Has Rob ever commented on this situation? In-depth response like this?
With Regards,
Catman the Great
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never heard of it until the link to this interview was posted. I would
definitely like to hear his comments.
Catman the Great
It's very convenient of KK to have a story that damns Rob and his behavior
and leave JP to be squeaky clean throughout the whole ordeal. I want to hear
the other side of the story before I believe any of it. Rock stars are
better liars than politicians are.
Neil Colepsy
Catman the Great <Paradi...@REMOVEcatlover.com> wrote in message
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> > Now that that interview with KK is out, there seems to be a lot of
> controversy
> > right now on fans about the "real" reason why Rob LEFT Judas Priest.
>
> Has Rob ever commented on this situation? In-depth response like this?
>
> With Regards,
> Catman the Great
Yup, something about going to live with The Taliban out in Washington.
Aven
> Has Rob ever commented on this situation? In-depth response like this?
Unfortunately no, at least not to my knowledge. But I remember being
somewhat intrigued when, as Niedzy mentioned, Rob said that one of the
conditions for his return to Priest would have to be a change in management.
Now, I guess it's possible Rob was somehow more than professionally involved
with Baxter, but that is just pure speculation on our part. However, getting
to my point, the fact that Rob isn't managed by Bastard...er...Baxter now,
and he STILL (seemingly) wants a change in Priest's management if there ever
is to be a reunion, makes me think that perhaps the problems that
precipitated Rob leaving the band stemmed not from Baxter but from something
in the Priest management camp to begin with. Again, we need Rob's side of
the story on this, any ideas on how we can get him to talk? :-)
Unknown
<Paradi...@REMOVEcatlover.com> wrote:
>> I haven't heard of Rob saying anything in regards to it.
>
>It's very convenient of KK to have a story that damns Rob and his behavior
>and leave JP to be squeaky clean throughout the whole ordeal. I want to hear
>the other side of the story before I believe any of it. Rock stars are
>better liars than politicians are.
>
>With Regards,
>Catman the Great
I'm searching the web for anything on Rob's side of the story. These
aren't much, but they address it a little:
Here's an excerpt from an interview by Chris Leibundgut for Rock Hard
magazine, Germany, April 2000: (Here's the link):
http://home.t-online.de/home/340067410153-0001/interview.htm
Well, whatever happens with Priest - I have hardly any control over
this. I allready said in public that the fault for
the departure of Priest only lies in me. I left the band in those days
by free will and for this decision I have to
carry the consequences. I have to accept this. I don't think I have
the right to demand by K.K, Glenn and Ian to
take me back again in the band. Many people might have heard that we
are talking with each other again lately
and are starting to build up our friendship once again. A couple of
weeks ago I called K.K, Glenn and Ian for
the first time since years. Let's see what else might happen with us -
but I don't want to speculate about this
here, because otherwise something I say might be twisted. Important
for me is only, that referring to friendship
everything comes to terms between us, because the guys still mean a
lot to me. Everybody knows, that I still
love Priest - I never said a bad word about the band. In my eyes
Priest always were one of the best Metal
bands of the world - and they still are."
I found the following here:
http://www.chartattack.com/damn/2000/01/0505.cfmRob
Halford makes up with ex-Judas Priest mates
Wednesday January 05, 2000 @ 03:00 PM
By: Debbie Bento
Rob Halford
Former Judas Priest frontman Rob Halford has made an attempt to kiss
and make up. MTVNews reports that while Halford hasn't requested a
return to the band, the singer has sent conciliatory letters to
Priest's three original members in what's been seen as an attempt to
recapture a 20-year friendship. The singer left under less than
amicable circumstances almost nine years ago and hasn't spoken to his
bandmates since the split. On Judas Priest's official website, it is
stated that Halford will never agree to return to Judas Priest as long
as the group's current representatives are looking after the band's
affairs, and that a mutually-agreed-upon management group would have
to be selected by all four original members. The singer is currently
recording a new solo project which he's calling his first heavy metal
release since leaving Judas Priest. The finished date for the album
hopefully should be by next month and released by May.
I'll post more if I find any. I think I've seen somewhere where Rob
denies having quit the band by fax, but then some are saying it was
John Baxter who sent the fax, so Rob might not have been aware of it.
Catman the Great
> somewhat intrigued when, as Niedzy mentioned, Rob said that one of the
> conditions for his return to Priest would have to be a change in
management.
> Now, I guess it's possible Rob was somehow more than professionally
involved
> with Baxter, but that is just pure speculation on our part. However,
getting
> to my point, the fact that Rob isn't managed by Bastard...er...Baxter now,
> and he STILL (seemingly) wants a change in Priest's management if there
ever
> is to be a reunion, makes me think that perhaps the problems that
> precipitated Rob leaving the band stemmed not from Baxter but from
something
> in the Priest management camp to begin with.
Yes, it would seem management was involved no matter what the real story is.
Management allegedly had a large role in the Van Halen vs. Sammy Hagar
breakup as well, though I don't think KK is a shameless liar like Eddie VH
is. Ol' Ken may have left some things out, or embellished a little, but
there's truth in some of what he said, I'm fairly sure...
> Again, we need Rob's side of
> the story on this, any ideas on how we can get him to talk? :-)
Get him a Connie Chung interview. We all know what great results those get.
Psychosis
career. If u look at Resurrection Baxter is listed as Executive Producer /
A&R also he co wrote two of the songs on the album.
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Psychosis
u are a big Halford fan and just like people who still like Priest without
Rob may be biased towards believing KK I think you may be a bit biased in
believing what Rob has to say. I am not trying to offend you in any way,
just saying that everyone should keep an open mind about the situation
because in all probability both sides were at fault.
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Psychosis
where u Give credit to KK and don't assume he is a liar. I like that we can
be fair and look at both sides. Still even though I like what Priest has
done with Ripper on Demolition I would like to see the boys back together
again to see if they can recapture the glory from the days of SfV or DoTF.news:too9131...@corp.supernews.com...
Unknown
a lot of details are given. Here's another interview with Rob where he
takes responsibility (this from "In the words of the Metal God
An Interview with ROB HALFORD
by Alan Tecchio" found at
http://home.t-online.de/home/a.kraemer/interview4.htm
Any connection with the other Priest members at all?
Well in recent months, yes. I mean we're talking and rebuilding the
friendship. There's no
talk of a reunion or anything more than that. We're just rebuilding
things from a really crappy
breakup and I took the first step in making amends for that because I
was responsible for
all the crap that went down on a business/legal side of things. And
that totally interfered
emotionally into our friendship. But yeah, we're talking and hanging
out and that's all that
really matters to any of us right now. They're busy making their next
record with Tim and
I've got my arms full with this stuff. We're both going to be very,
very busy this year and the
next.
This is from an Aug. 2000 German Metal Hammer interview:
- the seperation from Priest:
"Next to Priest I wanted to work on some experiments and follow a
direction which wasn't compatible with the
band musically - without having to leave Priest. Some business things
went wrong then."
On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 19:14:25 -0400, "Psychosis" <no...@nobody.net>
wrote:
Catman the Great
that
> u are a big Halford fan and just like people who still like Priest without
> Rob may be biased towards believing KK I think you may be a bit biased in
> believing what Rob has to say.
I am a bigger Halford fan, but I really doubt I'd believe all of what he has
to say about it either. In situations like this, both sides are likely to
make things more flowery on their end, whether it's for their image or just
out of emotions over the incident. I'd like to hear both stories, take in
the bits and pieces that coincide, and put it together into something that
sounds reasonably accurate. Since I read the apologetic-toned things Rob
said that were posted recently, I think there's probably a few nasty things
that went on from his camp that KK made reference to.
Aven
>
>> Again, we need Rob's side of
>> the story on this, any ideas on how we can get him to talk? :-)
>
> Get him a Connie Chung interview. We all know what great results those get.
Rob: "I will say it again. I am not a perfect man. I have made mistakes in
my life. But out of respect for my current friend John Baxter, and out of a
specific request from the guys in Judas Priest, I am not going to reveal any
further details about this matter."
Servo451
"Catman the Great" <Paradi...@REMOVEcatlover.com> wrote in message
> is to be a reunion, makes me think that perhaps the problems that
> precipitated Rob leaving the band stemmed not from Baxter but from
> something in the Priest management camp to begin with.
It's now beginning to make a little sense. Rob wants his good friend
(nobody's sure *how good* a friend) to take over managing Priest. Rob
doesn't get along with JPs current management. They refuse or maybe even
laugh his ideas off. He has an emotional Diva fit. takes his ball and runs
off to do his own thing. He later regrets it and finds himself wedged
between his *good friend* Baxter and his longtime bandmates who do not see
eye to eye. It's the whole Yoko Ono thing with Baxter in the role of
antagonist.
Just Hypothesizing. Makes sense to me.
> Get him a Connie Chung interview. We all know what great results those
get.
Bwaahaahaahhaahaahahaa. No THERE'S an idea!
> With Regards,
> Catman the Great
> ©2001 This message is the sole property of Catman the Great and the
Servo451
"Neil Colepsy" <netd...@netdemon.com> wrote in message
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> Yup, something about going to live with The Taliban out in Washington.
>
That was pretty brutal.
The Taliban Funster
That old man can suck a mean dick, let me tell ya. We're getting
married in Reno by a big ass robot poodle minister named Vern.
Everyone's invited.
The Taliban Funster
"It takes great hatred to make caricature and satire."
-Anais Nin
Jgbintbass
>On Tue, 28 Aug 2001 18:08:57 -0400, "Neil Colepsy"
><netd...@netdemon.com> wrote:
>>
>>Catman the Great <Paradi...@REMOVEcatlover.com> wrote in message
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>>> > Now that that interview with KK is out, there seems to be a lot of
>>> controversy
>>> > right now on fans about the "real" reason why Rob LEFT Judas Priest.
>>>
>>> Has Rob ever commented on this situation? In-depth response like this?
>>>
>>Yup, something about going to live with The Taliban out in Washington.
>>
>That old man can suck a mean dick, let me tell ya. We're getting
>married in Reno by a big ass robot poodle minister named Vern.
>Everyone's invited.
You wouldn't happen to live in Canada, do you? Reason I ask is because in less
than a month, someone from the AC/DC newsgroup is getting married...
You're NEVER safe...
Servo451
Where are you registered? Do you guys have a toaster yet?
Servo
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The Taliban Funster
wrote:
>Hey Tal,
>
>Where are you registered? Do you guys have a toaster yet?
>
>Servo
>
I could use a crockpot, but Rob really has been hinting at a juicer.
I mean, whatever you guys want to give us, that's cool. But please,
no robot poodles, they make Rob really angry.
The Taliban Funster
>
>You wouldn't happen to live in Canada, do you? Reason I ask is because in less
>than a month, someone from the AC/DC newsgroup is getting married...
Good God No, man! Canadians are brutes. And I can't endure an AC/DC
newgroup because I walk away feeling like a juggernaut of high brow
thought and intense intellect. No sir, don't like it. Love the band,
but the fans be a bit dumb.