Current Play list
Ritchie
2. Deep Purple: Perfect Strangers
3. Jeff Beck: Flash
4. The Who: Face Dances
5. The Traveling Wilburys Vol 1
6. Ozzy Ozbourne: Bark At The Moon
7. Queensryche: The Warning
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Stuff you won't like, recently
Death-Symbolic
Witchery-Don't Fear the Reaper (no cover of the Blue Oyster Cult song)
Darkthrone-FOAD, and DT&BC? (both albums Bomber don't like)
Amorphis-Skyforger (album of the Summer for sure, and probably
overtaking Mastodon in total plays, something about the storyline I
dig a lot)
Maybe a few things you might like some.
Masterplan-Aeronautics (Like a few songs, but don't consider the
vocalist some powerhouse singer, as most reviews seem to state. That
was the biggest drawback.)
Kamelot-Karma-Epica-The Black Halo and Ghost Opera
Flowing Tears-Razorbliss, Serpentine
Blue Oyster Cult-Spectres (love about 6 songs on this) Imaginos
Tyranny and Mutation, ST debut, ST, and AoF.
Judas Priest-SAS (twice this past week) Live ATOE, and Nostra
Leaves Eyes-Vinland Saga (concept album) (new album soon)
Stream of Passion-The Flame Within
Autumn-Altitude
Lacuna Coil-Shallowlife
Vader-Art of War
Behemoth-Demigod
Megadeth-UA.TSHF, PS
PT-Stars Die Comp, CD 2, and Fear of a Blank Planet (come around on
this. New album out soon)
Android Lust-Devour, Rise and Take Flight
KT Tunstall-Drastic Fantastic and Eye to the Telescope (wistful pop
rocker)
The Gathering-Nighttime Birds, The West Pole
H&H-DYK
Mindfunk-ST, and Dropped.
Kreator-HoC
Mastodon-Crack the Skye
Sonata Arctica-For the Sake of Revenge (live album) (go ahead Bomber
and make the PM comment)
Hammerfall-Legacy of Kings
Draconian-Turning Seasons Within
Swallow the Sun-Plaque of Butterflies
My Dying Bride-Trinity
BS-H&H, and Mob Rules
Trying to remember the bulk of the albums I listened to this week, and
in recent weeks. This is about all the albums I can remember listening
to the past month or so. Some of them have gotten a lot of plays.
Tom
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> 2. Deep Purple: Perfect Strangers
> 3. Jeff Beck: Flash
This may surprise you. I have this album, and did like it back in
the day. Not heard it end to end in ages.
> 4. The Who: Face Dances
> 5. The Traveling Wilburys Vol 1
Does Tom Petty sing on this, I seem to remember he was with them.
Maybe I am wrong, but if he does, I couldn't listen to it, as his
voice and many of his songs grate me to no end.
> 6. Ozzy Ozbourne: Bark At The Moon
> 7. Queensryche: The Warning
I did listen to OMC a few months back, along with The Warning and
RFO.
Tom
Ritchie
> On Aug 15, 6:49 pm, Ritchie <ritchie1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > 1. Black Sabbath: Born Again
> > 2. Deep Purple: Perfect Strangers
> > 3. Jeff Beck: Flash
>
> This may surprise you. I have this album, and did like it back in
> the day. Not heard it end to end in ages.
Its one of my favorite Beck albums
> > 4. The Who: Face Dances
> > 5. The Traveling Wilburys Vol 1
>
> Does Tom Petty sing on this, I seem to remember he was with them.
> Maybe I am wrong, but if he does, I couldn't listen to it, as his
> voice and many of his songs grate me to no end.
Yes he is on it
> > 6. Ozzy Ozbourne: Bark At The Moon
> > 7. Queensryche: The Warning
>
> I did listen to OMC a few months back, along with The Warning and
> RFO.
I lost interest in QR after RFO, I just don't see or hear what the big
deal is about OMC. I may have to give it another listen because I
remember listening to it twice when released and I don't think I ever
listened to it again.
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> > > 3. Jeff Beck: Flash
>
> > This may surprise you. I have this album, and did like it back in
> > the day. Not heard it end to end in ages.
>
> Its one of my favorite Beck albums
I like a few other albums he did.
> > > 5. The Traveling Wilburys Vol 1
>
> > Does Tom Petty sing on this, I seem to remember he was with them.
> > Maybe I am wrong, but if he does, I couldn't listen to it, as his
> > voice and many of his songs grate me to no end.
>
> Yes he is on it
Big deal breaker. I hate his vocals as I said above. Of course, I
seem to remember this is very light rock type music.
> > > 6. Ozzy Ozbourne: Bark At The Moon
> > > 7. Queensryche: The Warning
>
> > I did listen to OMC a few months back, along with The Warning and
> > RFO.
>
> I lost interest in QR after RFO, I just don't see or hear what the big
> deal is about OMC. I may have to give it another listen because I
> remember listening to it twice when released and I don't think I ever
> listened to it again.
It is a concept album, so I think you have to learn the story to
fully get the album. Then you can start thinking, why does he sing
this song this way, and so on. Give it another chance.
Tom
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Gwar - Lust In Space
Powerwolf - Bible Of The Beast
Deceased - Supernatural Addiction ( I like this more than before), The 13
Frightened Souls, Zombie Hymns
Swashbuckle - Back To The Noose
Running Wild - The Rivalry
Killing Joke - Killing Joke
Hail Of Bullets - Warsaw Rising
Judas Priest - Jugulator
Celtic Frost - To Mega Therion
Helstar - The King Of Hell
Grave Digger - Excalibur
Susperia - Attitude
Black Sabbath - 7th Star
Bad Religion - Suffer
Destruction - All Hell Breaks Loose
The Tea Party - Transmission ( I read that Nevermore are covering the
title track off this on their new album)
Soilwork - Figure Number Five
Razor - Open Hostility
Orden Ogan - Vale
audiophile
> The Tea Party - Transmission ( I read that Nevermore are covering the
> title track off this on their new album)
Hilarious. I was working on a cover of this exact song myself.
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serendipity?
Soze
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>
> The Tea Party - Transmission ( I read that Nevermore are covering the
> title track off this on their new album)
I read that as well. It`s sure to be amazing.
audiophile
I have my doubts. I love Warrel Dane, but his vocals don't suit the
"smoky" vocals of Tea Party songs - I fear it will come off as whiny
goth rock instead of awesome dark goth rock.
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It`s Nevermore. It will be amazing. The last 15 years is all the evidence I
need!
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I think the original is great, but I think Nevermore will also do a good
version of it. If they mess around with it like Love Bites it could be very
cool. It's not a straightforward song, so there's plenty to work with.
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Fanboi
Tom
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> Susperia - Attitude
I didn't care for their Cut From Stone album, so I didn't even
bother with this one. Is it any good?
> Soilwork - Figure Number Five
I wouldn't have suspected you'd like this sort of stuff. Surely the
first couple albums are rawer and more hungry than this one is.
Tom
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> Hilarious. I was working on a cover of this exact song myself.
>
> e.
> --
> serendipity?
Just picked up Masque.
Tom
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> >I have my doubts. I love Warrel Dane, but his vocals don't suit the
> >"smoky" vocals of Tea Party songs - I fear it will come off as whiny
> >goth rock instead of awesome dark goth rock.
> >e.
> >--
> >ready to be pleasantly surprised, though!
>
> It`s Nevermore. It will be amazing. The last 15 years is all the evidence I
> need!
That said, I do like Nevermore a lot. I figure this will be the one
song I don't care for on the album.
Tom
Bomber
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On Aug 15, 11:34 pm, "Bomber" <bom...@bomber.bomb> wrote:
> Susperia - Attitude
> I didn't care for their Cut From Stone album, so I didn't even
>bother with this one. Is it any good?
More of the same. Which is what I found with Cut From Stone.
> Soilwork - Figure Number Five
> I wouldn't have suspected you'd like this sort of stuff. Surely the
>first couple albums are rawer and more hungry than this one is.
>
>Tom
I prefer their later stuff.
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> > Soilwork - Figure Number Five
> > I wouldn't have suspected you'd like this sort of stuff. Surely the
> >first couple albums are rawer and more hungry than this one is.
>
> >Tom
>
> I prefer their later stuff.
I'll bet that's not a widespread thing. I haven't heard a lot by
them. A couple albums and a few random songs.
Tom
Bomber
Well I think they're ten times more popular now, so most prefer the new
stuff. Me preferring the new stuff is out of whack, but oh well. The old
stuff was faster and heavier, but it wasn't really memorable. Just play At
The Gates, Dissection or a couple of the early/middle In Flames or Dark
Tranquillity albums instead.
audiophile
> > It`s Nevermore. It will be amazing. The last 15 years is all the evidence
> > I need!
>
> I think the original is great, but I think Nevermore will also do a good
> version of it. If they mess around with it like Love Bites it could be very
> cool. It's not a straightforward song, so there's plenty to work with.
They have done some stunning covers of songs I like (Sound of Silence
is one of my all time favorite reinterpretations), but I didn't like
their version of Love Bites at all.
I remain skeptical about a metalized Transmission, but look forward to
being proven wrong.
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we'll see
audiophile
Cast. Iron. Classic.
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Jeff Martin has a new band called The Armada. It's kinda Tea Party lite.
Soze
I`ve just checked ou tthis song, I`d never heard The Tea Party before (
never even heard of them before e talked about them...seem to be a band that
were huge in Canada but didn`t make it anywhere else ) it`s OK and I think
Nevermore can do things with it.
Soze
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Yeah, I do prefer early Soilwork but you`re right, it is just a lesser DT /
IF / AtG sort of thing. They are a really good live act though.
kev twofourtwo
I keep forgetting to post here, and I admit lately for whatever
reasonhere is the metal I have been listening to more than once the
last few weeks:
Heaven and Hell TDYK (brought this one back to reevaluate it after the
fanboism has died down and see how it rates)
Judas Priest Screaming for Vengence (classic)
Lacuna Coil Shallow Life (again, I brought this one back from it's on
hold status a couple months ago to see how it's aged)
Pyramaze Immortal (I like this much better than Iced Earths latest)
Motorhead Iron Fist (classic)
Black Sabbath Born Again (classic, all the talk on this ng made me
bring this one out for some listens)
Novembers Doom Into Nights requim
Sacrifice the ones I condemn (been in a thrash mood lately, looking
forward to Megadeths new one)
Candlemass Death Magic Doom (this one has never left my playlist
altogther since it's release, I really like this and find metal in a
sad state that it only sold 800 copies in it's first week just like
Play my game)
Trivium Shogun this album is pretty bad, I played it a couple times
since I was going to see the band in concert (one of many)... I am
erasing it now. it seriously does not deserve to sit next to
Trouble's The Skull in my Itunes library!!!
Ram I downloaded 2 of their cd's, or maybe it was 3. They were on
the metal newsgroup and there was a lot of talk abou tthis band here,
so I wanted to give my 2 cents. I don't like them at all. I will
leave it at that.
Slayer Seasons in the Abyss (classic, saw them in concert, wanted to
get in the mood)
Iron Maiden Powerslave (classic)
Enslaved Vertabrae (wanted to give this another chance, still not my
fav from them)
behemoth evangolon interesting but not really my cup of tea, I had
hoped to see them live. Missed their set.
Arch Enemy The Manifesto of (best of Angela era) can't believe I
once liked this band so much. Can't tolerate the vocals it's like
nails on a chalkboard to me.
As you can see I've been dredging up a lot of stuff from either a few
months ago or a few years ago to see how it sits with me. It's
interesting how my taste for some bands changes so drastically in a
couple years and how an album I thought was a classic in the Spring is
already mostly forgotten by mid Summer. Then there are some like
Candlemass DDD which might be a classic I always turn to when in the
mood.
Anyway... that's my list and good morning, been up all night with
insomnia, had to get someone to cover for me at work, so now I am to
tired to do anything, have nothing to do, but to awake to sleep...
what a feeling.
Soze
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>
>
> I keep forgetting to post here, and I admit lately for whatever
> reasonhere is the metal I have been listening to more than once the
> last few weeks:
>
>
>
> Heaven and Hell TDYK (brought this one back to reevaluate it after the
> fanboism has died down and see how it rates)
So how does it rate?! I`m still not toally sold on it although once my
ridiculously high expectations had died down I did warm to it a tad more.
> Sacrifice the ones I condemn (been in a thrash mood lately, looking
> forward to Megadeths new one)
I enjoyed this but it`s going to struggle to get to 10 listens...which isn`t
a great sign.
> Candlemass Death Magic Doom (this one has never left my playlist
> altogther since it's release, I really like this and find metal in a
> sad state that it only sold 800 copies in it's first week just like
> Play my game)
I agree, this is a totally awesome album and a strong top 10 contender for
the year ( in a year which has been very good IMO ).
> Trivium Shogun this album is pretty bad, I played it a couple times
> since I was going to see the band in concert (one of many)... I am
> erasing it now. it seriously does not deserve to sit next to
> Trouble's The Skull in my Itunes library!!!
Yeah, I did warn you this band aren`t up to much. They`re pretty big news
over here nowadays, I don`t really get it. Some of the thrashier stuff
sounds pretty good until they lose it on those happy happy choruses.
> Ram I downloaded 2 of their cd's, or maybe it was 3. They were on
> the metal newsgroup and there was a lot of talk abou tthis band here,
> so I wanted to give my 2 cents. I don't like them at all. I will
> leave it at that.
I never got round to checking these out...just loading up myspace
now...sounds OK to me, if un-inspired. Not sure I`d bother to investigate it
further although I don`t mind listening to it. Reminds me of Iced Earth a
bit.
> Enslaved Vertabrae (wanted to give this another chance, still not my
> fav from them)
I`ve been on a massive Enslaved binge of late, must have played their
complete discography over the last week but yep, this is still their weakest
IMO. I just find it a bit wishy washy. After the brilliance of the previous
few this is a disappointment.
> behemoth evangolon interesting but not really my cup of tea, I had
> hoped to see them live. Missed their set.
>
> Arch Enemy The Manifesto of (best of Angela era) can't believe I
> once liked this band so much. Can't tolerate the vocals it's like
> nails on a chalkboard to me.
I`ve lost interest in AE completely over the last few years. Was never the
biggest fan but I did like the stuff with the old singer and the first
Gossow album. After that...snoozeville.
> As you can see I've been dredging up a lot of stuff from either a few
> months ago or a few years ago to see how it sits with me. It's
> interesting how my taste for some bands changes so drastically in a
> couple years and how an album I thought was a classic in the Spring is
> already mostly forgotten by mid Summer. Then there are some like
> Candlemass DDD which might be a classic I always turn to when in the
> mood.
>
> Anyway... that's my list and good morning, been up all night with
> insomnia, had to get someone to cover for me at work, so now I am to
> tired to do anything, have nothing to do, but to awake to sleep...
> what a feeling.
As I siad, been playing a lot of Enslaved...and King Diamond. My most played
recent release is the new Augury album, totally awesome progressive tech
death. I love it more than words can say. Still playing the new Voivod,
Blood Tsunami and Slough Feg albums a lot as well.
audiophile
> > I read that as well. It`s sure to be amazing.
> >I have my doubts. I love Warrel Dane, but his vocals don't suit the
> >"smoky" vocals of Tea Party songs - I fear it will come off as whiny
> >goth rock instead of awesome dark goth rock.
>
> >e.
> >--
> >ready to be pleasantly surprised, though!
>
> Jeff Martin has a new band called The Armada. It's kinda Tea Party lite.
Yeah, I was not impressed in the least. His solo album was also
predictably disappointing.
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hard to top splendor solis!
audiophile
> > I keep forgetting to post here, and I admit lately for whatever
> > reasonhere is the metal I have been listening to more than once the
> > last few weeks:
>
> > Heaven and Hell TDYK (brought this one back to reevaluate it after the
> > fanboism has died down and see how it rates)
>
> So how does it rate?! I`m still not toally sold on it although once my
> ridiculously high expectations had died down I did warm to it a tad more.
I actually like it a bit less now. The music is perfectly fine doom,
but there are plenty of perfectly fine doom albums I'd much rather
listen to. I did make a sampler of the five riffs on this album that
I'm obsessed with, though.
> > Candlemass Death Magic Doom (this one has never left my playlist
> > altogther since it's release, I really like this and find metal in a
> > sad state that it only sold 800 copies in it's first week just like
> > Play my game)
>
> I agree, this is a totally awesome album and a strong top 10 contender for
> the year ( in a year which has been very good IMO ).
Speaking of superior doom albums ... I agree, DMD is fantastic and I
like it even more now than at first.
> > Enslaved Vertabrae (wanted to give this another chance, still not my
> > fav from them)
>
> I`ve been on a massive Enslaved binge of late, must have played their
> complete discography over the last week but yep, this is still their weakest
> IMO. I just find it a bit wishy washy. After the brilliance of the previous
> few this is a disappointment.
I like Vertebrae better than Ruun and Monumension, but yeah - it's
inferior to all their other albums. Which, for Enslaved, is hardly
damning!
> I`ve lost interest in AE completely over the last few years. Was never the
> biggest fan but I did like the stuff with the old singer and the first
> Gossow album. After that...snoozeville.
AE after Stigmata bores me to tears.
> As I siad, been playing a lot of Enslaved...and King Diamond. My most played
> recent release is the new Augury album, totally awesome progressive tech
> death. I love it more than words can say. Still playing the new Voivod,
> Blood Tsunami and Slough Feg albums a lot as well.
I haven't bought Augury yet, which is strange as it's an album I
should really like more than I do. It's cool and all, but I don't
really get the urge to listen to it apart from a song here or there.
Maybe I've just overplayed prog in the last few years and need a
break.
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> > I prefer their later stuff.
> > I'll bet that's not a widespread thing. I haven't heard a lot by
> >them. A couple albums and a few random songs.
>
> >Tom
>
> Well I think they're ten times more popular now, so most prefer the new
> stuff. Me preferring the new stuff is out of whack, but oh well. The old
> stuff was faster and heavier, but it wasn't really memorable. Just play At
> The Gates, Dissection or a couple of the early/middle In Flames or Dark
> Tranquillity albums instead.
To some degree, yes, they sell more now than they did. You could
also make the point with In Flames who sell a lot more now than they
did then.
But, I think many fans who were there from the start, won't accept
the newer albums.
Tom
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> They have done some stunning covers of songs I like (Sound of Silence
> is one of my all time favorite reinterpretations), but I didn't like
> their version of Love Bites at all.
> e.
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> we'll see
Didn't you once say it's not a shadow of the original, as well. For
the most part I don't like cover tunes. The exceptions are when they
do something different, or pick some song that is obscure enough that
I don't remember it. Usually, though, on most albums with a cover,
it's the first song I start skipping.
The Judas Priest exceptions. Never really heard Diamonds and Rust as
original, along with Better By You, and Green Manalishi.
Not that you're a fan, but Draconian did a couple cover songs on
their Burning Halo CD, I didn't remember the originals, or hadn't
heard them in forever. So those worked out fine as well.
That Nevermore song, I do listen to it most of the times I listen to
the album. (another exception, although I have heard that song a lot
of times as original. I think it quite impossible to have listened to
rock radio as much as I did as a kid to not have heard it a lot. When
without the internet, and money as a kid, radio was the only source of
music. MTV, didn't come to our neck of the woods until about 1985.
Tom
Exceptions to every rule, rules to every exception
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> > Just picked up Masque.
>
> Cast. Iron. Classic.
>
> e.
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> probably goes without saying
It was only $6.99. I remember buying vinyl albums for that price.
As for the album, Icarus and the Pinnacle are songs that are on the
Best of Kansas Playlist, so I have already taken a good liking to
them. The rest of the album is going to take more listens before I
will make any comment about them. But I do really like the two songs
mentioned above. They are Cast. Iron. Classics for sure.
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> > On Aug 17, 5:14 pm, "Bomber" <bom...@bomber.bomb> wrote:
>
> >> > Soilwork - Figure Number Five
> >> > I wouldn't have suspected you'd like this sort of stuff. Surely the
> >> >first couple albums are rawer and more hungry than this one is.
>
> >> >Tom
>
> >> I prefer their later stuff.
>
> >> I'll bet that's not a widespread thing. I haven't heard a lot by
> >>them. A couple albums and a few random songs.
>
> >>Tom
>
> > Well I think they're ten times more popular now, so most prefer the new
> > stuff. Me preferring the new stuff is out of whack, but oh well. The old
> > stuff was faster and heavier, but it wasn't really memorable. Just play At
> > The Gates, Dissection or a couple of the early/middle In Flames or Dark
> > Tranquillity albums instead.
>
> Yeah, I do prefer early Soilwork but you`re right, it is just a lesser DT /
> IF / AtG sort of thing. They are a really good live act though.
My take on them. I believe their singer kills the In Flames guy,
either clean or doing death. Musically, they are ok. I am not into
them all that much.
Tom
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> Heaven and Hell TDYK (brought this one back to reevaluate it after the
> fanboism has died down and see how it rates)
And?
> Lacuna Coil Shallow Life (again, I brought this one back from it's on
> hold status a couple months ago to see how it's aged)
And?
> it seriously does not deserve to sit next to
> Trouble's The Skull in my Itunes library!!!
No it does not.
> Enslaved Vertabrae (wanted to give this another chance, still not my
> fav from them)
Doesn't have to be their best to be good. I like it a good deal.
> Anyway... that's my list and good morning, been up all night with
> insomnia, had to get someone to cover for me at work, so now I am to
> tired to do anything, have nothing to do, but to awake to sleep...
> what a feeling.
Seems like you've had this problem for a long time. I seem to
remember you saying you couldn't sleep and posting at like 2-3 in the
morning years ago.
Tom
Good luck getting some sleep. Maybe you get some droning type stuff
like Sunn O))) (which I have never heard, but have heard it said it
just drones along at a snails pace. Maybe that would put you to
sleep.)
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> > Heaven and Hell TDYK (brought this one back to reevaluate it after the
> > fanboism has died down and see how it rates)
>
> So how does it rate?! I`m still not toally sold on it although once my
> ridiculously high expectations had died down I did warm to it a tad more.
I think it rates quite well. I didn't have a problem with the
finished product from first listen.
> > Enslaved Vertabrae (wanted to give this another chance, still not
my
> > fav from them)
> I`ve been on a massive Enslaved binge of late, must have played their
> complete discography over the last week but yep, this is still their weakest
> IMO. I just find it a bit wishy washy. After the brilliance of the previous
> few this is a disappointment.
I really like about half the songs, and moderately like the rest of
it.
> As I siad, been playing a lot of Enslaved...and King Diamond. My most played
> recent release is the new Augury album, totally awesome progressive tech
> death. I love it more than words can say. Still playing the new Voivod,
> Blood Tsunami and Slough Feg albums a lot as well.
I couldn't make it through about 30 seconds of Augury before pulling
the chain. I think the "tech" part loses me.
Even though you couldn't make it past 4 songs, I like the new
Amorphis album a lot.
Tom
Majestic Beast
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> > I`ve been on a massive Enslaved binge of late, must have played their
> > complete discography over the last week but yep, this is still their weakest
> > IMO. I just find it a bit wishy washy. After the brilliance of the previous
> > few this is a disappointment.
>
> I like Vertebrae better than Ruun and Monumension, but yeah - it's
> inferior to all their other albums. Which, for Enslaved, is hardly
> damning!
> e.
> --
> no shortage of good stuff out there!
I don't go back as far with Enslaved as you (e. Ian, and Bomber) I
have 4 total CD's but all of them have gotten a lot of plays.
Tom
Bomber
That pretty much goes for any band.
Bomber
> As I siad, been playing a lot of Enslaved...and King Diamond. My most
> played
> recent release is the new Augury album, totally awesome progressive tech
> death. I love it more than words can say. Still playing the new Voivod,
> Blood Tsunami and Slough Feg albums a lot as well.
> I couldn't make it through about 30 seconds of Augury before pulling
>the chain. I think the "tech" part loses me.
> Even though you couldn't make it past 4 songs, I like the new
>Amorphis album a lot.
>
>Tom
>
>Majestic Beast
I like the Amorphis. I didn't bother with Augury. I saw them live and have
zero interest in hearing them on album. The tech part doesn't bother me as I
like stuff like Atheist and Cryptopsy ( the last one aint worth shit in a
handbag though), the songs just went in one ear and out the other.
Bomber
I've listened to it twice now and I don't mind it. It's better than the last
Tea Party and his horrible solo album. It's no replacement for The Tea
Party, but it's as close as we'll get until they reunite.
Bomber
"Soze" <I...@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:7ev4uqF...@mid.individual.net...
They are pretty good live. When I saw them, Darkane were on before them and
Soilwork just couldn't follow that. Darkane stormed out of the gates and hit
the place like a tornado.
james ambuehl
faves.
-- Jim
"When the Big Sleep ends, the Nightmares begin!" -- HARDBOILED CTHULHU:
TWO-FISTED TALES OF TENTACLED TERROR, edited by James Ambuehl and out
now from Elder Signs Press! Available from Clarkesworld Books,
Shocklines, Amazon, and Elder Signs Press itself!
Soze
You barely scratched the surface on that Augury album then tbh, it has vast
range throughout. I must admit I found that Amorphis very boring.
Soze
I`d agree the Soilwork singer is far more techinically proficient a vocalist
than Friden. Yet, despite that I much prefer Friden`s vocals...sometimes a
crappy vocalist just fits the band and works...Mustaine and Araya two
obvious examples. Neither of them can sing a jot but they sound great in the
bands they`re in.
Soze
"Bomber" <bom...@bomber.bomb> wrote in message
I may well be wasting my time but I`d urge you to reconsider! I`ve often
seen a band live and then been far more impressed when actually sitting down
with their album...and vice versa!
tom.m...@gmail.com
> > To some degree, yes, they sell more now than they did. You could
> >also make the point with In Flames who sell a lot more now than they
> >did then.
> > But, I think many fans who were there from the start, won't accept
> >the newer albums.
>
> >Tom
>
> That pretty much goes for any band.
To some degree, yes. But some bands I like stuff all along the way.
I just understand it to be that Soilwork started as a MDM type band,
and had little clean vocals at first, and none of the big sing along
chorus' they seem to have now.
I am sure there are fans of Opeth's first few albums that view their
newer stuff as "sell out" type stuff and can't accept it anymore.
Tom
tom.m...@gmail.com
> > I couldn't make it through about 30 seconds of Augury before pulling
> >the chain. I think the "tech" part loses me.
> > Even though you couldn't make it past 4 songs, I like the new
> >Amorphis album a lot.
>
> >Tom
>
> >Majestic Beast
>
> I like the Amorphis. I didn't bother with Augury. I saw them live and have
> zero interest in hearing them on album. The tech part doesn't bother me as I
> like stuff like Atheist and Cryptopsy ( the last one aint worth shit in a
> handbag though), the songs just went in one ear and out the other.
I believe I have heard a song or two by Cryptopsy. I don't think I
liked it much, though.
Tom
tom.m...@gmail.com
> Hey Tom, make sure you get Kansas' debut next -- that and MASQUE are my
> faves.
>
> -- Jim
When I last went to Wal-mart, I saw they had a three pack of Kansas
albums for $9. The debut, Masque and Monolith. Yeah, I said that
right, $9.
Tom
May buy it, even though I already bought Masque.
tom.m...@gmail.com
> "tom_...@juno.com" <tom.madm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > I couldn't make it through about 30 seconds of Augury before pulling
> >the chain. I think the "tech" part loses me.
> > Even though you couldn't make it past 4 songs, I like the new
> >Amorphis album a lot.
>
> You barely scratched the surface on that Augury album then tbh,
Sometimes 30 seconds speaks volumes.
> it has vast
> range throughout. I must admit I found that Amorphis very boring.
You stopped before the heaviest song on the album. Majestic Beast.
Listen to that song, and I think you might like at least that song.
Tom
Soze
Any band that exists past 5 albums is faced with two choices.
1) Progress / altar / experiment with your style and piss off your original
fanbase who no longer like you because you`ve changed your sound.
2) Never progress / altar / experiment with your style and piss off your
original fanbase who no longer like you because you`re just banging out the
same old sound as you did 15 years ago.
tom.m...@gmail.com
> > My take on them. I believe their singer kills the In Flames guy,
> >either clean or doing death. Musically, they are ok. I am not into
> >them all that much.
>
> I`d agree the Soilwork singer is far more techinically proficient a vocalist
> than Friden. Yet, despite that I much prefer Friden`s vocals...sometimes a
> crappy vocalist just fits the band and works...Mustaine and Araya two
> obvious examples. Neither of them can sing a jot but they sound great in the
> bands they`re in.
Dave spits out stuff with pissy atitude. That's what he does best,
and should always do a lot of on each album.
Tom used to scream a lot. But I don't know that he can do that
anymore. His vocals worked well on Slayer albums, and still do to some
degree. Just got to break KK's writing pens.
Tom
tom.m...@gmail.com
> >>Majestic Beast
>
> > I like the Amorphis. I didn't bother with Augury. I saw them live and have
> > zero interest in hearing them on album. The tech part doesn't bother me as
> > I like stuff like Atheist and Cryptopsy ( the last one aint worth shit in
> > a handbag though), the songs just went in one ear and out the other.
>
> I may well be wasting my time but I`d urge you to reconsider! I`ve often
> seen a band live and then been far more impressed when actually sitting down
> with their album...and vice versa!
I never get to see bands live anymore. So they have to have good
albums to keep my interest.
Tom
tom.m...@gmail.com
> >newer stuff as "sell out" type stuff and can't accept it anymore.
>
> Any band that exists past 5 albums is faced with two choices.
>
> 1) Progress / altar / experiment with your style and piss off your original
> fanbase who no longer like you because you`ve changed your sound.
>
> 2) Never progress / altar / experiment with your style and piss off your
> original fanbase who no longer like you because you`re just banging out the
> same old sound as you did 15 years ago.
It is a double edged sword. Yes. I vote for a 1.5. Do experiment,
but keep enough elements in place so it still sounds somewhat like
what some fan would expect. If you're a straight ahead metal sort of
band, you probably don't want to bring in strings and horns and do a
symphonic version of yourself. You also probably don't want to place
2-3 power ballads if you've never done them, and your singer can't
really sing.
I don't know if you heard the last Grave album, but the last song
starts with a sort of acoustic intro, and I was fearing this guy was
going to start with some clean vocals and such, and it was going to be
horrible. But, no, the music changes to real heavy and the vocals are
what the vocals always are on Grave albums. Shouty, growly type stuff.
Tom
Ritchie
>
> - Show quoted text -
Dave has a snarl to his vocals which works well.
Araya..............well everyone here knows how I feel about Slayer
and Araya :-)
Bomber
I'll give it a shot. It's free to try so I might as well. You like Obscura
and Augury, but not Origin. I like Origin but not Obscura and Augury. All
three are technical Death Metal. Strange. Funny how our Last FM
compatibility is a full red bar. I guess I can't say you have shitty taste.
Soze
"Bomber" <bom...@bomber.bomb> wrote in message
I wouldn`t say I *dislike* Origin, I just find that full speed ahead stuff a
bit tiresome for forty minutes. I like a bit more variation...I think you
prefer a band that just puts the pedal to the floor and gets on with it.
Soze
On Aug 19, 12:10 pm, "Soze" <I...@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
> "tom_...@juno.com" <tom.madm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > I couldn't make it through about 30 seconds of Augury before pulling
> >the chain. I think the "tech" part loses me.
> > Even though you couldn't make it past 4 songs, I like the new
> >Amorphis album a lot.
>
> You barely scratched the surface on that Augury album then tbh,
> Sometimes 30 seconds speaks volumes.
A lot of the album isn`t very metal at all, it has all sorts of jazzy
acoustic passages, several different singing styles and suchlike.
> it has vast
> range throughout. I must admit I found that Amorphis very boring.
> You stopped before the heaviest song on the album. Majestic Beast.
>Listen to that song, and I think you might like at least that song.
I think it`s still on my hard drive so I may go back to it.
Soze
Despite them being one of the great, celebrated death metal bands I can`t
say I`m a big fan either. Don`t own anything by them.
kev twofourtwo
> Any band that exists past 5 albums is faced with two choices.
>
> 1) Progress / altar / experiment with your style and piss off your original
> fanbase who no longer like you because you`ve changed your sound.
>
> 2) Never progress / altar / experiment with your style and piss off your
> original fanbase who no longer like you because you`re just banging out the
> same old sound as you did 15 years ago.
this is soooo TRUE!! There is no way to win. I think if the band
stays true to themselves and does what THEY want with less concern for
the fans old or new they have a better chance of pleasing everyone.
(notice I bring this on topic in the coming sentences...) You can
smell sell out on an album like Turbo or that Celtic Frost record I
can't rem the name of (you know the one!) but even when a band fails
in a sense like for example Nostradamus, yes I like it, but over all
it was a commercial (even in today's market for Judas Priest) failure,
you still respect Priest for going where their creativity took them.
I know many hate the album, but admit it, you will still give their
next release a chance. They didn't compromise their integrity. The
same could not be said after Turbo, when Priest lost at least 1/2
their fan base.
Bomber
I lasted three songs before I gave up. It wasn't as technical as I thought
it would be. The new Behemoth only lasted three songs as well. I listened to
all of the new Vader, but it's pretty much the same as the last couple. They
need a change in production to inject some freshness.
Soze
"Bomber" <bom...@bomber.bomb> wrote in message
It`s not Psycroptic style technical or anything, it`s quite Opethy in
places...it`ll easily be in my top 5 for the year, one of those albums I
just can`t understand the whole world not loving! Oh well.
>The new Behemoth only lasted three songs as well. I listened to all of the
>new Vader, but it's pretty much the same as the last couple. They need a
>change in production to inject some freshness.
I`m listening to the new Vader now funnily enough, it sounds exactly the
same as their last 7 or 8 to be honest. Little reason for it to exist. Not
that it`s not a pleasant listen but I just don`t need anymore Vader. The
best songs on it are the cover versions of Black Metal and Fight Fire With
Fire!
I played the new Behemoth about 3 times and can`t remember a thing about it.
The new Obituary, Suffocation, Vomitory, Aspyhx and Pestilence albums
stalled on about 4 listens as well, boring. Going back to the previous post
about bands either changing their style or staying the same, here we have
perfect examples, loads of these old death metal bands just bang out albums
that sound virtually no different to their entire catalogue and I`m fed up
with them!
That said, there have been death metal albums I`m playing a lot this year,
which is unusual lately...Obscura and Augury are getting constant rotation,
I was very taken by Ulcerate ( which is odd as it`s the sort of Immolation
style stuff I normally bore of real quick ), I *adore* the new God Dethroned
and there are some great thrash/death albums by Destroyer 666, Razor of
Occam and Onheil.
Bomber
I love the new Asphyx ( I think everything they do is gold), Pestilence, and
God Dethroned. Suffocation was good but fell off the playlist. I thought the
Obituary was unlistenable. Haven't heard Vomitory. Lovely name though. After
attempting the Augury album I had to break out some classics and listened to
Symphonies Of Sickness, Clandestine, and Serpents Of The Light. Mmmmm mmmm
good.
tom.m...@gmail.com
> Dave has a snarl to his vocals which works well.
> Araya..............well everyone here knows how I feel about Slayer
> and Araya :-)
Yes, we do.
Tom
tom.m...@gmail.com
> > I may well be wasting my time but I`d urge you to reconsider! I`ve often
> > seen a band live and then been far more impressed when actually sitting
> > down with their album...and vice versa!
>
> I'll give it a shot. It's free to try so I might as well. You like Obscura
> and Augury, but not Origin. I like Origin but not Obscura and Augury. All
> three are technical Death Metal. Strange. Funny how our Last FM
> compatibility is a full red bar. I guess I can't say you have shitty taste.
I don't have a great liking to Origin, but do have the CD, but
haven't listened to it 10 times, yet.
Tom
tom.m...@gmail.com
> > You barely scratched the surface on that Augury album then tbh,
> > Sometimes 30 seconds speaks volumes.
>
> A lot of the album isn`t very metal at all, it has all sorts of jazzy
> acoustic passages, several different singing styles and suchlike.
I may have to go listen to more of it, then.
> > You stopped before the heaviest song on the album. Majestic Beast.
> >Listen to that song, and I think you might like at least that song.
>
> I think it`s still on my hard drive so I may go back to it.
Let's see, it was released June 16, I believe, and since then, I've
only not played it daily at work maybe 5 days. I guess you could say I
like it a lot.
Do you have any opinions on this band. Maybe you've mentioned them
before.
http://www.myspace.com/insomniumband
Bomber, you can comment as well.
I think I can tolerate listening to this, even with the growling
vocals.
Tom
Bomber
It's not something that would get a weekly listen. The last song is pure
awsomeness.
tom.m...@gmail.com
> > I believe I have heard a song or two by Cryptopsy. I don't think I
> >liked it much, though.
>
> Despite them being one of the great, celebrated death metal bands I can`t
> say I`m a big fan either. Don`t own anything by them.
That's saying a lot, because you did buy a lot of DM band's albums
over the years.
Tom
tom.m...@gmail.com
> On Aug 19, 6:08 pm, "Soze" <I...@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Any band that exists past 5 albums is faced with two choices.
>
> > 1) Progress / altar / experiment with your style and piss off your original
> > fanbase who no longer like you because you`ve changed your sound.
>
> > 2) Never progress / altar / experiment with your style and piss off your
> > original fanbase who no longer like you because you`re just banging out the
> > same old sound as you did 15 years ago.
>
> this is soooo TRUE!! There is no way to win. I think if the band
> stays true to themselves and does what THEY want with less concern for
> the fans old or new they have a better chance of pleasing everyone.
> (notice I bring this on topic in the coming sentences...) You can
> smell sell out on an album like Turbo or that Celtic Frost record I
> can't rem the name of (you know the one!)
Cold Lake?
> but even when a band fails
> in a sense like for example Nostradamus, yes I like it, but over all
> it was a commercial (even in today's market for Judas Priest) failure,
> you still respect Priest for going where their creativity took them.
Define failure. It did chart well and sell well when compared to AoR.
I believe the last numbers I saw had it selling about 100,000 US.
Which probably may be about all they can expect these days.
> I know many hate the album, but admit it, you will still give their
> next release a chance. They didn't compromise their integrity. The
> same could not be said after Turbo, when Priest lost at least 1/2
> their fan base.
I hope the next one is a more standard type album. Or if they do
another concept album, they can keep it shorter. It will make it
easier to listen to it.
Tom
tom.m...@gmail.com
> > it would be.
>
> It`s not Psycroptic style technical or anything, it`s quite Opethy in
> places...it`ll easily be in my top 5 for the year, one of those albums I
> just can`t understand the whole world not loving! Oh well.
The Augury?
> I`m listening to the new Vader now funnily enough, it sounds exactly the
> same as their last 7 or 8 to be honest. Little reason for it to exist. Not
> that it`s not a pleasant listen but I just don`t need anymore Vader. The
> best songs on it are the cover versions of Black Metal and Fight Fire With
> Fire!
I think Vader should only do EP's. 15 to 20 minutes is about my
limit.
> I played the new Behemoth about 3 times and can`t remember a thing about it.
> The new Obituary, Suffocation, Vomitory, Aspyhx and Pestilence albums
> stalled on about 4 listens as well, boring. Going back to the previous post
> about bands either changing their style or staying the same, here we have
> perfect examples, loads of these old death metal bands just bang out albums
> that sound virtually no different to their entire catalogue and I`m fed up
> with them!
Were any of those bands, ones who released albums you listened to a
lot, like more than 50 end to end listens?
> That said, there have been death metal albums I`m playing a lot this year,
> which is unusual lately...Obscura and Augury are getting constant rotation,
Exceptions to every rule, rules to every exception.
Tom
tom.m...@gmail.com
> > I don't have a great liking to Origin, but do have the CD, but
> >haven't listened to it 10 times, yet.
>
> >Tom
>
> It's not something that would get a weekly listen. The last song is pure
> awsomeness.
Yeah, more like once a month, or once a quarter, or dare I say it,
once a year.
Tom
tom.m...@gmail.com
> I'll give it a shot. It's free to try so I might as well. You like Obscura
> and Augury, but not Origin. I like Origin but not Obscura and Augury. All
> three are technical Death Metal. Strange. Funny how our Last FM
> compatibility is a full red bar. I guess I can't say you have shitty taste.
I don't think it has to be said, but Ritchie, I don't think you need
to listen to any of these bands.
Tom
tom.m...@gmail.com
> "Bomber" <bom...@bomber.bomb> wrote in message
> > I lasted three songs before I gave up. It wasn't as technical as I thought
> > it would be.
>
> It`s not Psycroptic style technical or anything, it`s quite Opethy in
> places...it`ll easily be in my top 5 for the year, one of those albums I
> just can`t understand the whole world not loving! Oh well.
I'm thinking 30 seconds wasn't long enough, I guess I should have
allowed more time. There's something there beyond all the Growling and
speed.
Tom
But, not enough there for Ritchie to chance it.
tom.m...@gmail.com
> > I don't have a great liking to Origin, but do have the CD, but
> >haven't listened to it 10 times, yet.
>
> >Tom
>
> It's not something that would get a weekly listen. The last song is pure
> awsomeness.
Maybe I will dig out the Origin for it's 7th listen (a guess)
tomorrow.
Tom
Soze
>> > I lasted three songs before I gave up. It wasn't as technical as I
>> > thought
>> > it would be.
>>
>> It`s not Psycroptic style technical or anything, it`s quite Opethy in
>> places...it`ll easily be in my top 5 for the year, one of those albums I
>> just can`t understand the whole world not loving! Oh well.
>
> The Augury?
Yep.
>> I`m listening to the new Vader now funnily enough, it sounds exactly the
>> same as their last 7 or 8 to be honest. Little reason for it to exist.
>> Not
>> that it`s not a pleasant listen but I just don`t need anymore Vader. The
>> best songs on it are the cover versions of Black Metal and Fight Fire
>> With
>> Fire!
>
> I think Vader should only do EP's. 15 to 20 minutes is about my
> limit.
They quite often do, I think there are 5 or 6 20 minute odd Vader EPs.
>> I played the new Behemoth about 3 times and can`t remember a thing about
>> it.
>> The new Obituary, Suffocation, Vomitory, Aspyhx and Pestilence albums
>> stalled on about 4 listens as well, boring. Going back to the previous
>> post
>> about bands either changing their style or staying the same, here we have
>> perfect examples, loads of these old death metal bands just bang out
>> albums
>> that sound virtually no different to their entire catalogue and I`m fed
>> up
>> with them!
>
> Were any of those bands, ones who released albums you listened to a
> lot, like more than 50 end to end listens?
The first 2 Obituary albums I played an awful lot ( and still pull ot quite
often ). There`s nothing wrong with the albums they`ve done since but
they`re just more of the same without being as good. Testimony of the
Ancients by Pestilence is an all time classic, still play that often now.
Soze
"Bomber" <bom...@bomber.bomb> wrote in message
> I love the new Asphyx ( I think everything they do is gold),
Everyone seems to, I just didn`t feel it. It just was on, blasting away
harmlessly but never capturing my interest. I doubt I`ll play it again.
> Pestilence, and God Dethroned. Suffocation was good but fell off the
> playlist. I thought the Obituary was unlistenable. Haven't heard Vomitory.
> Lovely name though. After attempting the Augury album I had to break out
> some classics and listened to Symphonies Of Sickness, Clandestine, and
> Serpents Of The Light. Mmmmm mmmm good.
I love all three of those for sure.
Soze
> Do you have any opinions on this band. Maybe you've mentioned them
>before.
>http://www.myspace.com/insomniumband
>Bomber, you can comment as well.
>I think I can tolerate listening to this, even with the growling
>vocals.
Ummm. *knock knocks on Tom`s head *. Anyone home? *Maybe?* We had a good 4
or 5 post discussion on this band this very week and you told me you weren`t
interested!
Bomber
>
> "Bomber" <bom...@bomber.bomb> wrote in message
> news:pFkjm.112852$rg4....@newsfe02.iad...
>
>> I love the new Asphyx ( I think everything they do is gold),
>
> Everyone seems to, I just didn`t feel it. It just was on, blasting away
> harmlessly but never capturing my interest. I doubt I`ll play it again.
>
They've been one of my favorite DM bands since their debut. Martin Van
Drunen is one of my favorite vocalists of any style as well. So I'm a bit
biased.
Bomber
I feel honored that I'm allowed to comment. Anyway, it did nothing for me. I
wouldn't even download it.
tom.m...@gmail.com
> > The Augury?
>
> Yep.
Going to go take a look see for that one today.
> > I think Vader should only do EP's. 15 to 20 minutes is about my
> > limit.
>
> They quite often do, I think there are 5 or 6 20 minute odd Vader EPs.
I only have the Art of War, and the full length album that followed
it.
> > Were any of those bands, ones who released albums you listened to a
> > lot, like more than 50 end to end listens?
>
> The first 2 Obituary albums I played an awful lot ( and still pull ot quite
> often ). There`s nothing wrong with the albums they`ve done since but
> they`re just more of the same without being as good. Testimony of the
> Ancients by Pestilence is an all time classic, still play that often now.
More of the same, but not as good. That's too bad.
Tom
tom.m...@gmail.com
> "Bomber" <bom...@bomber.bomb> wrote in message
>
> news:pFkjm.112852$rg4....@newsfe02.iad...
>
> > I love the new Asphyx ( I think everything they do is gold),
>
> Everyone seems to, I just didn`t feel it. It just was on, blasting away
> harmlessly but never capturing my interest. I doubt I`ll play it again.
How about a vote for going back again. Usually I can't make much of
an opinion off of just one listen.
Tom
tom.m...@gmail.com
> > Do you have any opinions on this band. Maybe you've mentioned them
> >before.
> >http://www.myspace.com/insomniumband
> >Bomber, you can comment as well.
> >I think I can tolerate listening to this, even with the growling
> >vocals.
>
> Ummm. *knock knocks on Tom`s head *. Anyone home? *Maybe?* We had a good 4
> or 5 post discussion on this band this very week and you told me you weren`t
> interested!
Things can change. It all depends on my mood at the time. And as I
just said, I can't really make an opinion off of one listen. I also
said before, I could only take 30 seconds of Augury before pulling the
chain, and then listened again, and now am considering a possible buy.
Tom
tom.m...@gmail.com
> >>Bomber, you can comment as well.
>
> >>I think I can tolerate listening to this, even with the growling
> >>vocals.
>
> > Ummm. *knock knocks on Tom`s head *. Anyone home? *Maybe?* We had a good 4
> > or 5 post discussion on this band this very week and you told me you
> > weren`t interested!
>
> I feel honored that I'm allowed to comment. Anyway, it did nothing for me. I
> wouldn't even download it.
Since you don't like it, maybe I should buy it.
Playlist Fri.
Kansas-Masque (4 listens this week. I think it's pretty good)
Origin-Antithesis (maybe 7 total listens, last song awsomeness, as
Bomber said, Not so sure I totally agree. But the last song is better
than the rest of the album, imo)
Masterplan-Aeronautics (Ok, so I pulled this for another listen, after
letting it sit on the shelf for probably a year or more untouched.
Actually I've gave it 4 listens this past week or so. I will just
issue a apology to the band. It's better than I gave it credit for.
The singer is a good singer (not sure about powerhouse vocalist as
many reviews have said about him that I have read) There are some
songs I like, a couple I'm somewhat meh about, but I now look forward
to hearing new songs off their new album)
Epica-The Divine Conspiracy (2007 release, still getting a good deal
of plays. Know Bomber won't like, and Ian is meh about, as well as e.
New album out soon.
Vast-Me and You (acoustic and semi-acoustic rock type music, probably
not for most here.Ritche and e. might like)
Opeth-Watershed (last years aoty to me, still getting plays.)
Tom
Bomber
On Aug 21, 4:38 pm, "Bomber" <bom...@bomber.bomb> wrote:
> >>Bomber, you can comment as well.
>
> >>I think I can tolerate listening to this, even with the growling
> >>vocals.
>
> > Ummm. *knock knocks on Tom`s head *. Anyone home? *Maybe?* We had a good
> > 4
> > or 5 post discussion on this band this very week and you told me you
> > weren`t interested!
>
> I feel honored that I'm allowed to comment. Anyway, it did nothing for me.
> I
> wouldn't even download it.
> Since you don't like it, maybe I should buy it.
That's usually a safe bet.
Playlist Fri.
>Masterplan-Aeronautics (Ok, so I pulled this for another listen, after
>letting it sit on the shelf for probably a year or more untouched.
>Actually I've gave it 4 listens this past week or so. I will just
>issue a apology to the band. It's better than I gave it credit for.
>The singer is a good singer (not sure about powerhouse vocalist as
>many reviews have said about him that I have read) There are some
>songs I like, a couple I'm somewhat meh about, but I now look forward
>to hearing new songs off their new album)
Try seeking out the first album. Same line up as Aeronautics, but a little
harder edge to the music.
audiophile
> On Aug 19, 11:32 am, jamesambu...@webtv.net (james ambuehl) wrote:
>
> > Hey Tom, make sure you get Kansas' debut next -- that and MASQUE are my
> > faves.
>
> > -- Jim
>
> When I last went to Wal-mart, I saw they had a three pack of Kansas
> albums for $9. The debut, Masque and Monolith. Yeah, I said that
> right, $9.
>
> Tom
>
> May buy it, even though I already bought Masque.
Buy two, please! I can't find my CDs since digitizing the albums.
e.
--
great price for such awesomeness!
audiophile
> > > I am sure there are fans of Opeth's first few albums that view their
> > >newer stuff as "sell out" type stuff and can't accept it anymore.
>
> > Any band that exists past 5 albums is faced with two choices.
>
> > 1) Progress / altar / experiment with your style and piss off your original
> > fanbase who no longer like you because you`ve changed your sound.
>
> > 2) Never progress / altar / experiment with your style and piss off your
> > original fanbase who no longer like you because you`re just banging out the
> > same old sound as you did 15 years ago.
>
> but keep enough elements in place so it still sounds somewhat like
> what some fan would expect. If you're a straight ahead metal sort of
> band, you probably don't want to bring in strings and horns and do a
> symphonic version of yourself. You also probably don't want to place
> 2-3 power ballads if you've never done them, and your singer can't
> really sing.
I vote none of the above.
Bands should do whatever the hell they want, and if it doesn't sell,
they should get day jobs and enjoy the music they created on their own
terms.
e.
--
makes music and has a day job
audiophile
> On Aug 18, 9:09 pm, "Bomber" <bom...@bomber.bomb> wrote:
>
> > > I couldn't make it through about 30 seconds of Augury before pulling
> > >the chain. I think the "tech" part loses me.
> > > Even though you couldn't make it past 4 songs, I like the new
> > >Amorphis album a lot.
>
> > >Tom
>
> > >Majestic Beast
>
> > I like the Amorphis. I didn't bother with Augury. I saw them live and have
> > zero interest in hearing them on album. The tech part doesn't bother me as I
> > like stuff like Atheist and Cryptopsy ( the last one aint worth shit in a
> > handbag though), the songs just went in one ear and out the other.
>
> liked it much, though.
Cryptopsy only has two albums worth hearing: Blasphemy Made Flesh and
None So Vile. Both of those are - ready for it ? - cast iron DM
classics that blow away most of their peers. The rest ... meh.
The last one is unlistenable garbage.
e.
--
NSV is in my top 100
audiophile
> On Aug 19, 12:10 pm, "Soze" <I...@salsbury42.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > "tom_...@juno.com" <tom.madm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > I couldn't make it through about 30 seconds of Augury before pulling
> > >the chain. I think the "tech" part loses me.
> > > Even though you couldn't make it past 4 songs, I like the new
> > >Amorphis album a lot.
>
>
> Sometimes 30 seconds speaks volumes.
Sorry, but of all people here, you have the least cause to say
something like that with a straight face :)
"You can't appreciate an album with less than 3 full listens" - direct
quote
e.
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people always say shit like "the exception to the rule"
but when everything is an exception, then there are no rules
Bomber
"audiophile" <audio...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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The only two I think are great are 'None So Vile' and 'Once Was Not'.
tom.m...@gmail.com
> > Since you don't like it, maybe I should buy it.
>
> That's usually a safe bet.
If I can get others to say it's not good, that may help.
> Try seeking out the first album. Same line up as Aeronautics, but a little
> harder edge to the music.
Yeah, maybe it will turn up somewhere second hand.
Tom
tom.m...@gmail.com
It's probably going to happen. (well, not two, anyway)
Tom
tom.m...@gmail.com
>
> Bands should do whatever the hell they want, and if it doesn't sell,
> they should get day jobs and enjoy the music they created on their own
> terms.
>
> e.
> --
> makes music and has a day job
That's so cut and dry. I have dreams of maybe getting to see some of
the bands I like live. If they can't get out and tour much, then that
will never happen.
Tom
tom.m...@gmail.com
> > I believe I have heard a song or two by Cryptopsy. I don't think I
> > liked it much, though.
>
> Cryptopsy only has two albums worth hearing: Blasphemy Made Flesh and
> None So Vile. Both of those are - ready for it ? - cast iron DM
> classics that blow away most of their peers. The rest ... meh.
>
> The last one is unlistenable garbage.
>
> e.
> --
> NSV is in my top 100
You play that "cast iron classic" card a lot. In my opinion, of the
DM I have heard, I have a hard time labeling any of it cast iron
classics. But then, I am not a big DM fan. I like it in small doses. I
like more melodic type DM than the less melodic kind.
Tom
I am willing to call Symbolic a personal cast iron classic. But, it's
a lot more melodic than a lot of other DM I have heard.
tom.m...@gmail.com
> > > You barely scratched the surface on that Augury album then tbh,
>
> > Sometimes 30 seconds speaks volumes.
>
> Sorry, but of all people here, you have the least cause to say
> something like that with a straight face :)
Surely, to be honest, some stuff is rejected within 30 seconds.
Usually that's about the time the horrible vocals start.
> "You can't appreciate an album with less than 3 full listens" - direct
> quote
True, but that's with whatever I actually put money down on to buy.
If I am casually listening on You Tube or Myspace, then I don't seem
to pay as much attention. If I go back again, and again, then I will
search out the album.
> e.
> --
> people always say shit like "the exception to the rule"
> but when everything is an exception, then there are no rules
Not everything is an exception. The only real rule is I have to find
something in the songs/music I like.
Tom
tom.m...@gmail.com
> quote
>
> e.
I think what I say most is, I don't want to comment on an album
until after at least 3 listens. Maybe I don't like it off one listen
much. Then I have to come back later and say it's better than what I
first thought, or even give an album the "album of the year" after
panning it at first.
I've found that some albums are immediate, and really don't seem to
grow any. Then others are layered enough that you hear and get new
things with each listen for a while. These types seem to grow with
time and listens.
It's not a hard rule, but if I like something a lot off one listen,
it probably will fall off the playlist a lot faster than something I
am not so sure about off one listen.
Tom
Ritchie
To me it sounds like your forcing yourself to like something. While I
agree in giving something a chance, for the most part if it doesn't
get me on the first listen it will most likely never catch on. I have
experienced the exception only a couple of times.
audiophile
It's idealistic.
e.
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is an idealist
audiophile
There are hundreds of cast iron classic records. It makes sense that I
talk more about the music I love than the music I don't, yes?
I also don't think there are too many classic DM records - maybe 20 at
the most.
e.
--
MA takes up four of those slots!
audiophile
> "audiophile" <audiophi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Once was Not? Really?
The only song I remotely remember from that one was the video ... and
even then just barely.
e.
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found that one extremely disappointing
audiophile
I find that whenever we talk critically about music that your opinion
seems to be all over the place. In the sense that i have seen you take
almost every single side of every opinion. Which is not to be
insulting - in fact, it's the sign of extreme open-mindedness.
Nietzsche said "consistency is the sign of a weak mind" - which has a
tiny bit of truth to it.
I also disagree with the notion that music that catches on immediately
eventually "runs its course." Yes, a lot of music I listen to either
grows colder or hotter over time, but almost never to an extreme
degree. Usually it's a matter of increments.
e.
--
there are exceptions, but they call it "exception"
for a reason. it hardly ever happens
Bomber
I loved it. It was great to have Lord Worm return. The drumming is beyond
ridiculous as are the vocals. It worked for me.
Soze
"Ritchie" <ritch...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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If I think something`s awful off first listen then my opinion is never
likely to change but there have been albums I`ve just thought OK initially
that I`ve grown to love.
Soze
On Aug 21, 4:38 pm, "Bomber" <bom...@bomber.bomb> wrote:
> >>Bomber, you can comment as well.
>
> >>I think I can tolerate listening to this, even with the growling
> >>vocals.
>
> > Ummm. *knock knocks on Tom`s head *. Anyone home? *Maybe?* We had a good
> > 4
> > or 5 post discussion on this band this very week and you told me you
> > weren`t interested!
>
> I feel honored that I'm allowed to comment. Anyway, it did nothing for me.
> I
> wouldn't even download it.
> Since you don't like it, maybe I should buy it.
Wyrd talks about Insomnium a great deal...they`re one of his favourite bands
of the last 3-4 years. They sound very much like a cross between early In
Flames and Dark Tranquillity. Which is odd as he likes neither much. They`re
abi tmore downbeat than those two though.
>Epica-The Divine Conspiracy (2007 release, still getting a good deal
>of plays. Know Bomber won't like, and Ian is meh about, as well as e.
Meh? I think they`re bloody horrible!! Seen them live twice, even the fact
she`s gorgeous doesn`t keep me watching!
Soze
I`ve played it twice, found it quite un-inspiring both times. Nothing
remotely new, just sounds like a million other albums from 20 years ago. But
hey ho, it`s getting great reviews so good for them and all who sail in
their ship!