Monika Dannemann
expskypaint
Monika Dannemann
I'm always a defender of the underdog, downtrodden and those unjustly treated, and I believe Monika has been severely 'bastardized' by 'public opinion and the past'.
The subject of numerous posts in VC, and the public consensus being that she had a 'negligent' role in Jimi's death, well, more like 'she murdered him'!
I've brought up a point that has yet to be addressed, and this is
"how can 'we' clearly see that she murdered Jimi, yet England's finest were oblivious to this 'angle?"
If the police could not have seen any evidence of foul play how then can we assume that this is what happened and 'convict' her on scant evidence?
It's been suggested that she had killed Jimi because 'if I can't have him no one else will'
To me this makes no sense at all with hind sight. She never got over the loss of Jimi, was never able to move on and continued to live in the shadow of the loss of the man. She was deeply haunted by the memory of the man SHE KNEW.
Now I'll admit that the train of events are even today in question as for that fateful night, for as I was gathering material for a biography on Monika, I became aware that the stories were in conflict and this has hampered further writing on the matter until I sorted it all out and received some new material I don't have at present (Brown's 'Final Days'). Not only has her recollection of events changed, so to for example has Glebbeeks version of events changed with almost each printing of the book 'Electric Gypsy'. What side do we take, Huh?
Often criticized for her actions, I have to ask everyone how you might have responded to the situation? My god, how could 'we' have passed judgment on her. How would any of 'us' have reacted to the death of someone that was that close to us, under those circumstances? Would each and every step of 'ours' have been the correct actions? When would it have struck 'us' that the situation was this serious as it continued to escalate that night?
How is it that the version of events of that night can still be so easily recalled by the ambulance attendants, Doctors or who ever was involved? Didn't they even admit that they weren't aware of the celebrity status of the individual that night? So how is it that this particular night stood out so well in their memories after all these years? Am I to believe that they have amazing powers of recollection? Look at your own life, doesn't your stories change as time passes? New details added, old ones omitted?
As for Monika's book, I really enjoyed taking a peak at this side of Jimi that has received very little press, the spiritual side. If you read it carefully enough, one can clearly see that she had no real ideas of her own to go along with what Jimi was trying to convey to her, for she has no insight on these matters herself and only appears to follow what Jimi was saying. The invention of a 'fantastical' mind? Highly unlikely. For I feel that she would have to of done a considerable amount of research into the metaphysical realm to even begin to have 'invented' such a story on Jimi. I just don't see this in her mental capacity, to have grasped all this, let alone contrive a story that is not out of the personal character of Jimi, for many others very close to Jimi still continue to try and express the real nature of this man. This spiritual side of this 'soul'.
As for her mental disposition for the cause of her suicide, I must stress again that she was never able move on over the loss of this very special person that had a major impact on her life. Her suicide IS NOT confirmation of her guilt, nor is it evidence of her mental instability. There were other factors involved here. I can't imagine the dark cloud that has hung over here and the public perception that she 'killed Jimi', the constant death threats she has received though out the years (Why death threats???). She was also ill enough at the time of her death (Exactly what I'm not sure), to warrant the judge NOT to enforce and penalty for her guilt of slander. This 'illness' must have been severe enough for the judge, and this also must have played a part in her decision to take her own life. She had enough and couldn't live anymore after hanging in there all these years. (In psychology EVERYONE 'suffers to some degree of psychosis, neurosis Mental instability??)
If the public feels she had killed Jimi, I must say then that this very same public also played a part in killing Monika. And has unjustly convicted her for a crime that I feel she didn't commit. Negligent? Perhaps, but a conscious decision on her part? I don't buy it for a second.
Another factor in Monika's life (death) was this public battle with Kathy Etchingham, whose own motives appear to have been driven by monetary interests on a level far above those of Monika's.
Not wanting to take sides on this matter as I've yet to fully get into this 'story' and I still await to get as much of this episode as possible. But this IS another factor that has played a part in Monika's demise.
http://www.t001.freeserve.co.uk/guitar/jimi/monikahtm
Pay attention to this
"a very different version of Hendrix's death by a musician who was at the previous night's party. 'I heard the next day that Jimi had asked for some drugs known as leapers but had been given sleepers instead. It was an understandable mistake, the music was so loud, ' the source said. 'He started to go and people were slapping him, trying to wake him up, but with all those pills inside him it was doing no good. People were trying everything they could think of to get him back, but Jimi was gone. As far as I am aware from people who were there, Jimi died at the party - not in bed at his girlfriend's flat.' "
hearsay? yes, but not entirely out of the question either
As far as I'm concerned the death of Jimi Hendrix will always have a dark cloud of suspicion hanging over it and we may never know the actual events on the dreadful night. Read the facts of the stories by those involved and do come to the conclusion that there is no conclusion and may never be one.
And if there IS blame to be placed, lets place some on Jimi Hendrix himself, for the course he had set himself on, was one of 'auto destruct' and was only a matter of time.
Charles
V
Electric Sky Church
JT Roberts
<strat...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Monika Dannemann
>
>I'm always a defender of the underdog, downtrodden and those unjustly treated, and I believe Monika has been severely 'bastardized' by 'public opinion and the past'.
>
> The subject of numerous posts in VC, and the public consensus being that she had a 'negligent' role in Jimi's death, well, more like 'she murdered him'!
> I've brought up a point that has yet to be addressed, and this is
>"how can 'we' clearly see that she murdered Jimi, yet England's finest were oblivious to this 'angle?"
>If the police could not have seen any evidence of foul play how then can we assume that this is what happened and 'convict' her on scant evidence?
>
> It's been suggested that she had killed Jimi because 'if I can't have him no one else will'…
>To me this makes no sense at all with hind sight. She never got over the loss of Jimi, was never able to move on and continued to live in the shadow of the loss of the man. She was deeply haunted by the memory of the man SHE KNEW.
> Now I'll admit that the train of events are even today in question as for that fateful night, for as I was gathering material for a biography on Monika, I became aware that the stories were in conflict and this has hampered further writing on the matter until I sorted it all out and received some new material I don't have at present (Brown's 'Final Days'). Not only has her recollection of events changed, so to for example has Glebbeeks version of events changed with almost each printing of the book 'Electric Gypsy'. What side do we take, Huh?
> Often criticized for her actions, I have to ask everyone how you might have responded to the situation? My god, how could 'we' have passed judgment on her. How would any of 'us' have reacted to the death of someone that was that close to us, under those circumstances? Would each and every step of 'ours' have been the correct actions? When would it have struck 'us' that the situation was this serious as it continued to escalate that night?
>
> How is it that the version of events of that night can still be so easily recalled by the ambulance attendants, Doctors or who ever was involved? Didn't they even admit that they weren't aware of the celebrity status of the individual that night? So how is it that this particular night stood out so well in their memories after all these years? Am I to believe that they have amazing powers of recollection? Look at your own life, doesn't your stories change as time passes? New details added, old ones omitted?
>
> As for Monika's book, I really enjoyed taking a peak at this side of Jimi that has received very little press, the spiritual side. If you read it carefully enough, one can clearly see that she had no real ideas of her own to go along with what Jimi was trying to convey to her, for she has no insight on these matters herself and only appears to follow what Jimi was saying. The invention of a 'fantastical' mind? Highly unlikely. For I feel that she would have to of done a considerable amount of research into the metaphysical realm to even begin to have 'invented' such a story on Jimi. I just don't see this in her mental capacity, to have grasped all this, let alone contrive a story that is not out of the personal character of Jimi, for many others very close to Jimi still continue to try and express the real nature of this man. This spiritual side of this 'soul'.
> As for her mental disposition for the cause of her suicide, I must stress again that she was never able move on over the loss of this very special person that had a major impact on her life. Her suicide IS NOT confirmation of her guilt, nor is it evidence of her mental instability. There were other factors involved here. I can't imagine the dark cloud that has hung over here and the public perception that she 'killed Jimi', the constant death threats she has received though out the years (Why death threats???). She was also ill enough at the time of her death (Exactly what I'm not sure), to warrant the judge NOT to enforce and penalty for her guilt of slander. This 'illness' must have been severe enough for the judge, and this also must have played a part in her decision to take her own life. She had enough and couldn't live anymore after hanging in there all these years. (In psychology EVERYONE 'suffers to some degree of psychosis, neurosis…Mental instability??)
>If the public feels she had killed Jimi, I must say then that this very same public also played a part in killing Monika. And has unjustly convicted her for a crime that I feel she didn't commit. Negligent? Perhaps, but a conscious decision on her part? I don't buy it for a second.
>
>Another factor in Monika's life (death) was this public battle with Kathy Etchingham, whose own motives appear to have been driven by monetary interests on a level far above those of Monika's.
>Not wanting to take sides on this matter as I've yet to fully get into this 'story' and I still await to get as much of this episode as possible. But this IS another factor that has played a part in Monika's demise.
>
>http://www.t001.freeserve.co.uk/guitar/jimi/monika.htm
>
>Pay attention to this…
>"a very different version of Hendrix's death by a musician who was at the previous night's party. 'I heard the next day that Jimi had asked for some drugs known as leapers but had been given sleepers instead. It was an understandable mistake, the music was so loud, ' the source said. 'He started to go and people were slapping him, trying to wake him up, but with all those pills inside him it was doing no good. People were trying everything they could think of to get him back, but Jimi was gone. As far as I am aware from people who were there, Jimi died at the party - not in bed at his girlfriend's flat.' "
>
>hearsay? yes, but not entirely out of the question either…
>
>As far as I'm concerned the death of Jimi Hendrix will always have a dark cloud of suspicion hanging over it and we may never know the actual events on the dreadful night. Read the facts of the stories by those involved and do come to the conclusion that there is no conclusion and may never be one.
>And if there IS blame to be placed, lets place some on Jimi Hendrix himself, for the course he had set himself on, was one of 'auto destruct' and was only a matter of time.
>
>Charles
>V
>Electric Sky Church
>http://members.home.net/expskypaint/intro.html
>
>
I could not agree with you more about Jimi's responsibility for his
own life. I've always felt that his early demise was avoidable if he
had taken steps much earlier to take better care of himself. And not
just in regards to drugs, but also with other facets of his life like
how he dealt with the major stress he was under. He has already made
it clear how badly he wanted to get away from Mike Jeffery.
I believe we will never know conclusively all the details of the night
of Jimi's death. I too am not willing to go so far as blame his death
on Monika. But I find much of her story very hard to believe. I
don't think they were to be married, and neither did Mitch, and
neither did a lot of other women that Jimi was seeing. It seems
Monika became obsessed with Jimi from the start in a very unhealthy
manner.
As far as your accusations of Kathy, I would sure like to see more as
to why you make this claim. I've never felt her motives were
misplaced. She already had money, family, and friends. She had moved
on with her life. It was Monika who was still obsessed so many years
later. I always felt Kathy's motive was to set the record straight
and to stop Monika's slanderous statements. Monika had been warned
once and she just wouldn't stop. Thus Kathy felt forced to take
action.
Peace,
JT
Voodoo Fly
"JT Roberts" <ki...@grace.land> wrote in message
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>
> I believe we will never know conclusively all the details of the night
> of Jimi's death. I too am not willing to go so far as blame his death
> on Monika. But I find much of her story very hard to believe. I
> don't think they were to be married, and neither did Mitch, and
> neither did a lot of other women that Jimi was seeing. It seems
> Monika became obsessed with Jimi from the start in a very unhealthy
> manner.
>
That's always been my interpretation as well. I don't believe Monika
murdered Jimi, but she might have been able to prevent his death if she'd
acted sooner and been less worried about concealing all the drugs in her
place. I think any of the other prominent women in Jimi's life would have
been more worried about saving his life.
As for the Jimi/Monika engagement, Musician magazine ran an article on
Jimi's last 24 hours a couple years ago. Among other things, they
interviewed the owner of the nightclub where (according to her) Jimi and
Monika supposedly spent an hour or more going from table to table showing
off their rings to the entire place right after he popped the question.
Funny thing was, neither the owner (who was a friend of Jimi's and was in
attendance six nights a week) nor any of the regular customers could
remember that ever happening. It wouldn't surprise me if Jimi was looking
to settle down with someone, especially considering how he reacted to
Kathy's marriage, but given Monika's less-than-stellar track record with the
truth, I don't think he made the commitment during his lifetime.
> As far as your accusations of Kathy, I would sure like to see more as
> to why you make this claim. I've never felt her motives were
> misplaced. She already had money, family, and friends. She had moved
> on with her life. It was Monika who was still obsessed so many years
> later. I always felt Kathy's motive was to set the record straight
> and to stop Monika's slanderous statements. Monika had been warned
> once and she just wouldn't stop. Thus Kathy felt forced to take
> action.
>
Agreed. If Jimi was a starship captain, he found a perfect "space cadet" in
Monika.
> Peace,
>
> JT
>
>
Nick Sherreard
cyberspace.
For one thing she always claims that Jimi never wore his engagement ring
because it interfered with his guitar playing, but have you ever seen Jimi's
hands they are Jewellery displays.
For Another if they were engaged why did he appear in a Danish magazine only
days before his death announcing his engagement to some model who's name
escapes me.
And finally if Jimi had have been settling down with Monica, why did he not
move all his clothes and belongings from his Hotel suite. He didn't even
have a change of clothes which suggests that he didn't even plan to spent
the night with her, let alone anything else.
I read a really great book called something like "Jimi Hendrix, the final
days" or something. It includes not only his autopsy report but a sworn
statement from a now prominent politician who really was with Jimi and
Monica on that fateful night. In this he explains about Monica's
possesiveness and unpleasant behaviour which caused them to leave early.
It's an interesting slant on the events.
In conclusion I would like to contradict Eric Burdon's comments. The
business didn't kill Jimi, the Barbiturates did.
Voodoo Fly wrote in message ...
expskypaint
-It was Kirsten Nefer, who told the press they were engaged, not Jimi.
-Monika 'claims' that when Jimi was last in Seattle that he had told Al
that they were to be married...SO... Al would be the one who knows the
truth here, and he DID take her under his wing so to speak. So perhaps
Al knows something 'us' public doesn't know.
No one can give a reasonable explanation WHY the ambulance attendants
could recall the events that night with such clarity, when they've even
admitted they did not know the celebrity status of the person. And you'd
think this night would be lost in the memory of time.
Am I to believe they were endowed with amazing powers of recall? Now
this might not really mean much or come to much, but I do find it
curious.
This idea that Jimi was 'offed' by some government conspiracy or some
other 'organization' cannot be easily dismissed as shear speculation,
with hind sight today it's far too easy to underestimate the political
and social unrest of that era. AND Jimi was speaking some pretty scary
things, who to more simple minds had no idea what this guy was talking
about.
Charles
V
Electric Sky
"Nick Sherreard" <nicksh...@cableinet.co.uk> schreef in bericht
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> I'm sure I've made these points before but I seem to have got lost in
> cyberspace.
only
> days before his death announcing his engagement to some model who's name
> escapes me.
Kirsten Nefer was the fiancee.
> I read a really great book called something like "Jimi Hendrix, the final
> days" or something. It includes not only his autopsy report but a sworn
> statement from a now prominent politician who really was with Jimi and
> Monica on that fateful night. In this he explains about Monica's
> possesiveness and unpleasant behaviour which caused them to leave early.
> It's an interesting slant on the events.
Tony Browns 'The Final days'. You can finds the auopsy report everywhere on
the Internet.
I do also think Monika was possesive, that's mostly the case with women who
are naive and metally unstable like Monika was
I think you can see this in her paintings..
But I think it is too far fetched to imply something with her possesiveness
Peace, Stay Free and EXP.
Electric Sky
JT Roberts
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Monika and Al also had a falling out later. While staying at his house on a
visit, she was suddenly made to leave and stay in a hotel. She claimed
there was no further contact with the Hendrix family afterward. I suppose
only Al and maybe Janie know what really went down.
I can tell you why the ambulance attendants could easily recall the events.
And it makes perfect sense. They said they didn't know who he was when the
events happened. But they damn sure knew who he was the very next day. At
least one of them is on record as saying he found out when he read the paper
the next day. That is when it would have become forever engrained into
their memory. Just one day later. And forever reminded any time they heard
the name Jimi Hendrix after that for years and years.
I highly recommend Tony Brown's book, "Hendrix: The Final Days" and the last
couple of chapters from Kathy Etchingham's book, "Through Gypsy Eyes".
One last thing to ponder: Monika and Jimi were only together for about 4
days out of their entire lives.
JT
expskypaint
Ok, I hear what you're saying on the ambulance attendants. This makes sense.
I never heard about the Monika- Al problem. I wonder what happened.
From Monika's book, with the photos of her and the 'Family', what she had said, I came away thinking things were quite well between them.
I know I know :)
I really do got to get my hands on 'Final Days'.. Top priority!
But I've mentioned before, this can't posssibly be the final answer...
The thing about all of this is that there STILL is a big question mark hanging over it.
I really don't mind all the 'debate' over this 'issue' either. :)
I'm going to get permission to reprint a post from VC here...
that I thought was interesting.
Charles
V
Message by JT Roberts <fuzz...@flash.net> on: 5/31/01 2:57:24 AM
JT Roberts
: Ok, I hear what you're saying on the ambulance attendants. This makes
sense.
:
: I never heard about the Monika- Al problem. I wonder what happened.
: From Monika's book, with the photos of her and the 'Family', what she had
said, I came away thinking things were quite well between them.
:
: I know I know :)
: I really do got to get my hands on 'Final Days'.. Top priority!
: But I've mentioned before, this can't posssibly be the final answer...
: The thing about all of this is that there STILL is a big question mark
hanging over it.
: I really don't mind all the 'debate' over this 'issue' either. :)
: I'm going to get permission to reprint a post from VC here...
: that I thought was interesting.
:
: Charles
: V
Oh, there are many questions unanswered, no doubt about it.
Here's yet another quote to throw in the mix:
"I also wasn't aware that Jimi was engaged to Monika Dannemann, as she said
in her book. He didn't tell me about it. I did hear about a ring that he'd
given Betty Jean, but that's the only one I know of him ever giving
anybody."
Al Hendrix from his book, "My Son Jimi", 1999.
JT
Nick Sherreard
And in conclusion may I say, what kind of conspiracy murders anyone by
inhilation of vomit due to barbiturate intoxication. All this hogwash about
him being murdered, just like Keith Moon years later he survived into his
late twenties only by sheer luck.
And furthermore Kirsten Nefer may have told the paper they were engaged, if
they weren't what the hell was he doing being photographed with her in her
house. Not his usual type of publicity shot is it?
Nick
JT Roberts wrote in message ...
>
Nick Sherreard
just that he died at her apartment because of her behaviour. Had he crashed
at someone elses house....... who knows maybe he'd be alive today.
Nick
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Alex Van Starrex
Unfortunately the name and title escape me - I posted about this a LONG time
ago, and haven't written the information down anywhere.
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Nick Sherreard wrote:
>
> Thankyou JT Roberts,
>
> And in conclusion may I say, what kind of conspiracy murders anyone by
> inhilation of vomit due to barbiturate intoxication. All this hogwash about
> him being murdered, just like Keith Moon years later he survived into his
> late twenties only by sheer luck.
Well, the statement ( I almost wrote fact ) that most of the wine was in
his lungs
and not in his stomach or blood. Meaning that someone could have force
down his throat.
**(disclaimer: I have not read Tony's book but i have heard this
discussed several times)
>
> And furthermore Kirsten Nefer may have told the paper they were engaged, if
> they weren't what the hell was he doing being photographed with her in her
> house. Not his usual type of publicity shot is it?
I believe that Jimi had dinner several times at Kirsten's house. More
than likely
it was a family member that took the photos and were released later.
JIMHO!!
Mark
Nick Sherreard
barbiturates. This actually paralysed his cough reflex , when he vomited
the red wine ( he hadn't eaten I beleive) it all went straight into his
lungs.
Do you really believe anyone who was so careless with his life, would need
assasinating, any assailant would just have to sit back and watch
JT Roberts
"Alex Van Starrex" <avan...@tig.com.au> wrote in message
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: Be sure to read the book by Jimi's long-time English girlfriend.
:
: Unfortunately the name and title escape me - I posted about this a LONG
time
: ago, and haven't written the information down anywhere.
: --
: --
"Through Gypsy Eyes" by Kathy Etchingham.
JT
Electric Sky
> Hold on, I wasn't insinuating that he died because Monica was possesive
it's
> just that he died at her apartment because of her behaviour. Had he
crashed
> at someone elses house....... who knows maybe he'd be alive today.
>
> Nick
> Electric Sky wrote in message <9f43tg$974$2...@cyan.nl.gxn.net>...
I didn't wrote you would have insinuate, it was generally meant.
On VC was written once that Monika would have thought 'If I can't have him,
nobody can't'
Crashed?you mean the house he wend to the evening before?
There is more, much more to Jimi's dead then only Monika.
There was a woman who's name has been mentioned earlier in this ng.
Peace,
Electric Sky.
Alex Van Starrex
book-store (bizarre coincidence).
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ncik
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Krazeefro
>-It was Kirsten Nefer, who told the press they were engaged, not Jimi.
>-Monika 'claims' that when Jimi was last in Seattle that he had told Al
>that they were to be married...SO... Al would be the one who knows the
>truth here, and he DID take her under his wing so to speak. So perhaps
>Al knows something 'us' public doesn't know.
Al knows nothing except what he's told by his adopted daughter.
>No one can give a reasonable explanation WHY the ambulance attendants
>could recall the events that night with such clarity, when they've even
>admitted they did not know the celebrity status of the person. And you'd
>think this night would be lost in the memory of time.
>Am I to believe they were endowed with amazing powers of recall? Now
>this might not really mean much or come to much, but I do find it
>curious.
Their testimony was that they found out who it was when they had delivered the
body to the hospital.
They were reticent about it at the time because they should not have taken a
dead body to the hospital.
There should have been a police investigation but the policeman they called in
didn't want to do the paperwork. He thought it was just another OD in a cheap
hotel.
Monika was not there - she must have run out and hid.
Krazeefro
>than likely
>it was a family member that took the photos and were released later.
That photo is from a Danish newspaper, and was taken by a newsman.
Krazeefro
>just that he died at her apartment because of her behaviour.
It wasn't an apartment.
It was a cheap hotel.
Still is.