Top Junkie Jagger's Favorite Heroin ditties --- NOT "little Wing"
King Neptune
But you WILL find codename/nicknames for Jagger the Junkie's tunes.
1. Brown Sugar - is one for heroin..the method is to snort/sniff.
2. Jumpin'(Jack Flash) - "Jack Flash" is also codename for heroin
and as many have observed about "American Pie" artist Don McClean*
that the lyric ".. .Jack Flash... sat on a candlestick.." directly refers
to a method of "cooking" heroin in spoon by flame of a lit candle.
3. Dead Flowers - tho not a codename for heroin
is a song with a lyric making direct reference to the 'Jack Flash" method.
it goes.: "..I'll be in my basement room. .with a needle and a spoon.."
NOWHERE will anyone find a single IOTA of reference to heroin
in either the name "Little Wing'.. nor the Experience's song. Zero. 0.汉
There's probably a dozen Stones songs that do advertize smack
but i really can't recall Jimi ever writing anything that blatently
pinpoints heroin specifically in even a single one of his pieces.
Someone show me otherwise if they can.. like to see that.?
One last thing??.. maybe somebody can explain why it is that
it always seems.??? --that it's primarily British rockers that
screw it all up pushing the needle in.??.. I don't see that many
American artists ..Canadians either -- anywhere else that so frequently
are reported having to rehab like Pete Townshend kicking White Rabbit?
HmMM??. ..
w
K
sluggo
I don't see that many
> American artists ..Canadians either -- anywhere else that so frequently
> are reported having to rehab like Pete Townshend kicking White Rabbit?
> HmMM??. ..
lennybrucekurtcobainloureediggypopjameschamberlintimallennicoslystoneI`msure
there`smore......
sluggo
King Neptune
Such a fool Slughead ; ) Lenny Bruce was a COMEDIAN-OD'd on heroin
Try looking for the movie why dontcha. ..yahh.
All of the rest of these with the exception of Sly Stone
not a damn one of Jimi's "contemporaries" - and don't try to hand me
your dreary crap about an under appreciated Chambers Bros.
Reed & Iggy were junkies that dismantled the concept of talented musicians.
They----can't sing----can't play----and aside from Reed's queer nich, you'll
find an all but out of business.. bug-smudge in music history named Iggy.
Hmmm?.. let's see?.. ; ) .. Ritchie Blackmore.. . .and--- OHH!!--WAIT!!!
Ian Anderson's always been straight.!???
There's one Brit that hasn't skidded for the skag.. i guess??
btw?.. maybe a nice Brit can explain.. but is the shit FREE THERE???
Like.. ..or do all the punks just automatically start shooting horse
when they turn teenagers or what??
w
K
King Neptune
> I`msure
> there`smore......
>
> sluggo
Hmm.?.. yeah??.. good question.. what about "Jeff Beck".??
How many de-tox/rehabs/cold turkeys had he had to snuff.??????.... .
HAA!!
w
K
sluggo
.. what about "Jeff Beck".??
> How many de-tox/rehabs/cold turkeys had he had to snuff.??????.... .
> HAA!!
none..he is touring right now as a matter of fact...the guy has met dorian
gray...
sluggo
sluggo
"King Neptune" wrote in message I don't see that many
> >> American artists > Such a fool Slughead ; ) Lenny Bruce was a
COMEDIAN-
comedian , writer, playwright , actor,
but according to you ..not an atist..your words..
sluggo
sluggo
Hmm.?.. yeah??.. good question.. what about "Debbie Hairy ".??
> How many de-tox/rehabs/cold turkeys has she had to snuff.??????.... .
> HAA!!
>
> w
> K
>
sluggo
> > I don't see that many
> >> American artists > >
so ..you are saying he wasn`t an artist then ?
sluggo
Martin
> There's probably a dozen Stones songs that do
> advertize smack but i really can't recall Jimi
> ever writing anything that blatently pinpoints
> heroin specifically in even a single one of his
> pieces. Someone show me otherwise if they
> can.. like to see that.?
One reference that may be to heroin is in "Crash Landing":
Hey
Look at ya,
all lovey-dovey when you're messing around with that needle
I wonder how would your love be otherwise
I wonder just how ?
I'm gonna break your hands and throw away your stupid needle.
I'm gonna try and make love straight for the very first and last
time.
Later on the lyric is:
Bang bang. Shoot shoot.
As long as you're [?] I won't give a hoot.
Bang bang. Shoot shoot shoot.
As long as you're [?]
I don't give a hoot
Bang bang. Shoot shoot.
And he may be referring to "shooting-up" there. Maybe not.
--
Martin
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King Neptune
HAA!!!!.. biggest laff of all.. haha..ha! . ; )
King Neptune
> "King Neptune" wrote:
>> There's probably a dozen Stones songs that do
>> advertize smack but i really can't recall Jimi
>> ever writing anything that blatently pinpoints
>> heroin specifically in even a single one of his
>> pieces. Someone show me otherwise if they
>> can.. like to see that.?
>
>
> One reference that may be to heroin is in "Crash Landing":
>
> Hey
> Look at ya,
> all lovey-dovey when you're messing around with that needle
> I wonder how would your love be otherwise
> I wonder just how ?
> I'm gonna break your hands and throw away your stupid needle.
> I'm gonna try and make love straight for the very first and last
> time.
>
> Later on the lyric is:
>
> Bang bang. Shoot shoot.
> As long as you're [?] I won't give a hoot.
> Bang bang. Shoot shoot shoot.
> As long as you're [?]
> I don't give a hoot
> Bang bang. Shoot shoot.
>
> And he may be referring to "shooting-up" there. Maybe not.
Good show!! O-B-Wan ,; ?j ..
..you've definitely found a specific to spoon - tho not heroin or codename.
But that's half a qualifer for heroin in my eyes? Shooting junk, right.
However,,.
isn't it interesting that as opposed to any of "junkie Jagger's" tunes
which all show *Mick shooting/snorting/cooking/injesting King(heroin)*
that in Jimi's song.. not only is Jimi himself a "non-participant"..
it clearly shows that Jimi firmly condemed it(quote)".. stupid needle..".
And tho it's unclear exactly WHO??--the babe is in "Crash Landing.."
You've reminded me that there IS another song that *appears interconnected*
that i have nearly forgotten about - which ALSO cites *Junkie Jagger/Dagger*
and thus.!------- the woman in question in BOTH songs would HAVE to be
none other than *"Dolly Dagger" herself --- Devon Wilson*
Same line in"FREEDOM"(quote)"..I'm just trying to slap it outta her hand!!"
[also pay notice to the'Dagger'reference and"if you just want to BLEED me"
it's a direct reference to "Can't Always Get What You Want"-'BLEEDING Man'
HAA!!
w
K
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Freedom
You got my pride
hanging out of my bed
You're messin' around with my life
So I bought my ...
You even mess with my children
And you're screamin' at my wife, baby
Get off my back,
if you wanna get outta here alife
Freedom, give it to me
That's what I want now
Freedom, that's what I need now
Freedom to live
Freedom, so I can give
You got my heart
speak electric water
You got my soul
screamin' and howlin'
You know you hook my girlfriend
You know the drugstore man
But I don't need it now
I was trying to slap it out of her head
Freedom, so I can give
Freedom, yeah
Freedom, that's what I need
You don't have to say that you love
if you don't mean it
You'd better believe
If you need me
or you just wanna bleed me
you'd better stickin' your dagger in someone else
So I can leave
Set me free
(Yeah)
Right on, straight ahead
Stay up and straight ahead
Freedom
King Neptune
This one also needs numerous corrections - i'll try to adjust it thus.
Cheers
w
K
- - - -
Freedom
You got my pride
hanging out of my bed
You're messin' around with my life
So I bought my lead.
You even mess'in with my children
And you're screamin' at my wife, baby
Get off my back,
if you wanna get outta here alive.
Freedom, give it to me
That's what I want now
Freedom, that's what I need now
Freedom to live
Freedom, so I can give
You got my heart
speak'in electric water
You got my soul
screamin' and howlin'
You know you hook my girlfriend
You know the drugstore man
But I don't need it now
I'm just trying to slap it out of her head
Freedom, so I can give
Freedom, yeah
Freedom, that's what I need
You don't have to say that you love
if you don't mean it
You'd better believe.
If you need me
or you just wanna bleed me
you'd better stick your dagger in someone else
Darren
King Neptune wrote:
> You will not find any connection between Heroin &"Little Wing".
>
> But you WILL find codename/nicknames for Jagger the Junkie's tunes.
>
> 1. Brown Sugar - is one for heroin..the method is to snort/sniff.
>
This is a joke, right? Brown Sugar is about black females who are
bought by slave owners for sex.
> 2. Jumpin'(Jack Flash) - "Jack Flash" is also codename for heroin
> and as many have observed about "American Pie" artist Don McClean*
> that the lyric ".. .Jack Flash... sat on a candlestick.." directly refers
> to a method of "cooking" heroin in spoon by flame of a lit candle.
>
Jack Flask is Satan.
> 3. Dead Flowers - tho not a codename for heroin
> is a song with a lyric making direct reference to the 'Jack Flash" method.
> it goes.: "..I'll be in my basement room. .with a needle and a spoon.."
>
Okay. You got that one right.
> There's probably a dozen Stones songs that do advertize smack
> but i really can't recall Jimi ever writing anything that blatently
> pinpoints heroin specifically in even a single one of his pieces.
> Someone show me otherwise if they can.. like to see that.?
>
> One last thing??.. maybe somebody can explain why it is that
> it always seems.??? --that it's primarily British rockers that
> screw it all up pushing the needle in.??.. I don't see that many
> American artists ..Canadians either -- anywhere else that so frequently
> are reported having to rehab like Pete Townshend kicking White Rabbit?
> HmMM??. ..
Who cares what dope they do. They are doing it.
If it is Heroin or cough syrup it is still dope. Hendrix was getting
as high as anyone did in those days.
I don't like drugs. They screw folks up.
--
Have a nice day, :)
Darren Nemeth
dnem...@sprynet.com
Owner of "Giant Squid Audio Lab" - Specialists in durable, high
fidelity Stereo and Mono miniature microphones for discriminating
Harddrive, DAT and Mini Disc recording enthusiasts.
http://www.giant-squid-audio-lab.com/
King Neptune
> King Neptune wrote:
>> You will not find any connection between Heroin &"Little Wing".
>>
>> But you WILL find codename/nicknames for Jagger the Junkie's tunes.
>>
>> 1. Brown Sugar - is one for heroin..the method is to snort/sniff.
>>
> This is a joke, right? Brown Sugar is about black females who are
> bought by slave owners for sex.
Sorry to upset your applecart. Mr Crewcut ; ) ---but it IS *heroin*.
>> 2. Jumpin'(Jack Flash) - "Jack Flash" is also codename for heroin
>> and as many have observed about "American Pie" artist Don McClean*
>> that the lyric ".. .Jack Flash... sat on a candlestick.." directly refers
>> to a method of "cooking" heroin in spoon by flame of a lit candle.
>>
> Jack Flask is Satan.
The entire phrase.."..Jack Flash sat on a candlestick.."stands for *heroin*.
>> 3. Dead Flowers - tho not a codename for heroin
>> is a song with a lyric making direct reference to the 'Jack Flash" method.
>> it goes.: "..I'll be in my basement room. .with a needle and a spoon.."
> Okay. You got that one right.
You mean to say - "Damn!??- i never knew ANY of this stuff!?!??.?.??..?"
>> There's probably a dozen Stones songs that do advertize smack
>> but i really can't recall Jimi ever writing anything that blatently
>> pinpoints heroin specifically in even a single one of his pieces.
>> Someone show me otherwise if they can.. like to see that.?
>>
>> One last thing??.. maybe somebody can explain why it is that
>> it always seems.??? --that it's primarily British rockers that
>> screw it all up pushing the needle in.??.. I don't see that many
>> American artists ..Canadians either -- anywhere else that so frequently
>> are reported having to rehab like Pete Townshend kicking White Rabbit?
>> HmMM??. ..
>
> Who cares what dope they do. They are doing it.
You're wrong about that - LOTS of people CARE
the best of whom CARE because they WORRY about
idiots that DO ABSOLUTELY ADDICTIVE KILLER SHIT - a,k,a *Heroin*
> If it is Heroin or cough syrup it is still dope.
Wrong!- tho you can ad your "codeine" cough syrup as certainly
a shitty 'addictive DOWNER' and a genuine "gateway to smack"
Heroin..... is NOT EVER!! --to be put in the same sentence..let alone
in the same classification that might apply to any other drug. N E V E R !!!
Don't try to tell anyone that LSD or GRASS carry ANY of it's similarities.
Microwave your cup FOOL--smell the caffeine-wake up! ..HAA!!!
>Hendrix was getting as high as anyone did in those days.
Not on Heroin he wasn't -- not with FULL BLOWN -SWEAT SHAKEN
addictions that Mick the Dick assuredly aquired -- Mmm-Hmm.!!
*Jagger is the Junkie* -- not Jimi Hendrix -- and for that S,O,B, to
exhinit the inmitigated GALL!! -- to openly contrive such insidious lies
about someone that passed him as a contemporary and showed him
as Jimi remarked to Junkie Jagger in "Cant Always Get.." that the Stones
and his music -- was *D E A D*...obsolete as "yesterdays papers".
And it's Mick's vain pride that had the melt down from the inset
that was the beginning of something RELEVANT.."The Jimi Hendrix Experience"
> I don't like drugs. They screw folks up.
> Have a nice day, :)
> Darren Nemeth
It's clear that you don't know squat about the subject
and in that case Darring Darren -- it's best to "..keep it zipped"
Like the cover of STICKY FINGERS ; )
Paper or Plastic Sir.!??
w
K
sluggo
> > I don't like drugs. They screw folks up.
> K
........for he newbies and the uninitiated , mr kingie riptide has expounded
on all things idiotic many times..Want to see what drugs will do to the
noggin ?,,go back if you dare and read some of his ramblings, rants, and
really goofy recollections....you` ll wet your pants laughin` that someone
capable of all these inane declarations would have the unmitigated gall to
glorify drug useage..then again..this is what drugs do to you brain..right
KINGIE ?
sluggo
King Neptune
hah!. .a-a-w-w-www ..poor Sluggo.. ; )
Let me try to help you a lil' bit here..a g a i n ...........?
You whine and you pine....but none about *Hendrix*.
But that's not what i do.
Whereas,... a couple lurkers and members..have made queeries
to the extent that somewhere??? - they've gotten the notion
that Jimi was a "..f*ckin heroin junkie -- just like Junkie Jagger.."
This is the type of trash-talk.. that SHOULD be addressed
when it goes so far as to originate from someone asking in this NG.
Whether it's 'pmaden' bringing it to the fore...or the'Darren bloke'
making uniformed..somewhat cocky??..uhuh.. sweeping reply
trying to maintain "NOBODY CARES???-WHY bring it up.!??"
I'll be completely justified to point out thats a crock of bull
because if that was TRULY the case.??-- then it's plain-as-day
that *Junkie(once a junkie~always a junkie)Mick"Jack Flash" Jagger*
would NEVER have urped those asinine accusations
and ROLLING STONE 'ZINE(duhH!??)--- would never had INTEREST..!
But they SURE DID --din't they!!!.. yup.!.
So it's a much needed point to show exactly where and why
"Junkie Jagger" is a complete H Y P O C R A T E..............
Now... you can't handle the truth Sluggo?? --that's ruff Po'Boy......
But try to comment to the subject..the topic --and
"keep it Hendrix inclusive".
Enjoying the Heat ,; ?)
w
K
sluggo
King Neptune
> see what I mean..stay away from drugs kiddies...
> sluggo
>
yeah. . .or they might end up like Sluggo, ALL-YITE.!!!
,;:0D
w
K
TagoMago
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3199035.stm
"Dr Geoffrey Wills, a psychologist from Stockport, Greater Manchester,
looked at the biographies of 40 world-renowned musicians.
He found that those he studied appeared eight times more likely to
have suffered from drug dependency.
Dr Wills also found that mood disorders appeared to be four times more
likely among this group of jazz greats.
The psychologist said that he was not trying to imply that all jazz
musicians had such problems, but that they shared the same
vulnerability to mental health problems as other creative types such
as writers and artists. "
Shit happens.
Jimmy
> You will not find any connection between Heroin &"Little Wing".
Agreed! Although there are rumours that Jimi liked to snort Heroin a
certain amount of time into acid trips abound. I met someone who said
they knew the dealer that sold snorting heroin ( there are different
packages, mainly 3, 1 for snort, 1 for smoke and another for injection )
to Jimi at Woodstock, but that's as close as to a relaible source as I've
gotten. However that said, there is no evidence whatsoever that Jimi used
needles ever and it is doubtful he ever had a habit.
<snippage>
>
> One last thing??.. maybe somebody can explain why it is that
> it always seems.??? --that it's primarily British rockers that
> screw it all up pushing the needle in.??.. I don't see that many
> American artists ..Canadians either -- anywhere else that so frequently
> are reported having to rehab like Pete Townshend kicking White Rabbit?
> HmMM??. ..
>
> w
> K
Aww. Why do you resort to so much confrontational and in this case
collectivist generalizations? The British brought the Blues to mainstream
awareness in America and for that we will always be indebted. Sure many of
us were already there, but Muddy and Chuck and all the rest would never
have gotten near their due, either monetarily or simple recognition, had
it not been for Brits. No society has a monopoly on addicts, but creative
types are many more times likely to indulge in mind altering substances
and many, especially those who have come up hard or been abused or
traumatized are much more vulnerable to addiction. Stephen Tyler pointed
out that for awhile he blamed his addiction on Charlie Parker, Miles
Davis, Lady Day Billy Holiday and many other jazz greats but then realized
that it was he who surmised that junk was a pathway, since he disregarded
Dizzy Gillespie who never did it and Ray Charles who put it down with
apparently no side effects on his performance whatsoever, to mention a
few. So it is simply unfair to conveniently remember users and non-users
from different geographic localities or even governments since if a cat
wants it bad enough he's gonna get it.
I thnk Darren's point is that it depends on your point of view as to
whether what a person uses is important or not. Some people think all
drugs, even caffeine and chocolate are without any redeeming value. If
you've watched Clint Eastwood's excellent bio-pic, "Byrd", he makes a good
case for "to each his own". Charlie Parker was in intractable pain and
nobody can say whether or not he could have lived as long and done as much
as he did either way, with or without heroin. It's not simple in many
cases and there's little use in "splitting hairs". It is possible for a
person to progress down a path and at each milestone condemn any further
travel, until he gets there, and again moves the marker. Or he can just
walk where he will and let everyone else do the same. Neither is perfect.
Jimmy
Mr Mxyzptlk
use them. Also, the coroner's report stated that there was no presence of
stigmata (needle marks) anywhere on Jimi's body.
- D (4 Darryl)
"Jimmy" <us...@host.com> wrote in message
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3Defi
this is to remind All to READ MY ORIGINAL POST started this thread.
Thanks,
w
K
ps.. tell Jimmy you don't need the "anti-Defi..troll-spin".
Thx
Again.
"D"
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>Jimmy snipped/edited-out Defi's original post:
Jimmy
> Douglas, who had no dog in this hunt, said Jimi hated needles, and wouldn't
> use them. Also, the coroner's report stated that there was no presence of
> stigmata (needle marks) anywhere on Jimi's body.
>
> - D (4 Darryl)
>
Ahghh so that explains why at the end of the movie "AFAJH" they mentioned
there was no evidence of addiction. That is stretching it since one can
catch a nasty "chasing the dragon" or even simple snorting, but there is
little or no evidence of that either. It's not like he holed up
interminably like John Lennon did. It's nice to know that Jimi made his
own way and didn't fold to yet another possible pressure of how some
people may have thought he had to be to be cool/serious/hip/transcendant
etc etc etc. Right on!
Jimmy
Mr Mxyzptlk
the late Devon Wilson's heroin addiction in parts. "Freedom" indirectly and
"Crash Landing" more directly.
In "Freedom", Jimi says, "You know you hooked my girlfriend, you know the
drugstore man. No, I don't need it now, I'm just tryin' to smack it out of
her hand."
When he says, "No, I don't need it now", was he referring to his lack of
personal need for it, or was he staving off one of Devon's dealers? I don't
know, so I won't say.
In "Crash Landing", he's even more direct. If I may digress, I hope EH
someday officially releases the version with the organ. Very funky, and IMO
superior to the AD release. Anyway, he says, "I'm going to smack your hand
and throw away your stupid needle." Did he object to the delivery system or
did he object to that which was delivered via the needle? Sadly, Devon
forfeited her ability to speak by taking a dive from a tall building and
developing fast intimacy with concrete. And a luscious babe was she. Damn.
But just to close the loop, Jagger also considered Devon to be *his*
girlfriend. She just kind of toggled between Jimi and Mick.
- D
"Jimmy" <us...@host.com> wrote in message
news:pan.2003.10.15....@host.com...
3Defi
The members that read this entire thread and the other
[Junkie Jagger was Heroin addict -- not Jimi.." etc,. threads]
will come to this big mouths posts and see what kind of retard
he really is - and see that he's not read the entire threads.
That's typical daryl/mxyz. ;)
w
K
ps... and i think the word is *slap*- not 'smack'(it out of her hand)
.. more typical.
>Mr Mxyzptlk babbled foolishly 1:09 AM: