Edward Bear?
Johnny Scarecrow
Who/what is Edward Bear/Beer that we blame the mess on?
Who is Old Bess and why does she have braces dangling down? (Or what are
the correct words to that line).
These trivial things help me enjoy the songs all the more.
Thanks,
J.S.
Nemrac47
>
>Who/what is Edward Bear/Beer that we blame the mess on?
>
>Who is Old Bess and why does she have braces dangling down? (Or what are
>the correct words to that line).
Old vests, braces dangling down...
Edward Bear is supposedly a reference to Edward Heath, a british political
figure of the time.
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therefore was the obvious and perfect national foil for Brits to blame the
current sociopolitical mess(es) on. A bit like handing the US' slick willie
credit for the current strength of the economy! Simple, but fun. Like
Blackpool then and today.
Jeff in Pittsburgh
W. S. Gumby
mary.pfeifer wrote in message <01bddbad$17841840$d12c37a6@708714329>...
>He's either John Barleycorn's cousin, or some poor boob like Roy Harper
>that the politicians use as a scapegoat.
>
>Could it be old vests and bracelets??
According to the lyric book the things that are dangling down are braces,
which we call suspenders on the left side of the pond.
W. S. Gumby
March the Mad Scientist
mary.pfeifer sat at the 'puter and typed this into the gate:
>He's either John Barleycorn's cousin, or some poor boob like Roy Harper
>that the politicians use as a scapegoat.
>
>Could it be old vests and bracelets??
>
suspenders are different things entirely, but most men still like 'em.
<G>
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StevieJay
Johnny Scarecrow wrote in message <35F49310...@stcleve.net>...
>A question that has been bugging me for over 25 years:
>
>Who/what is Edward Bear/Beer that we blame the mess on?
>
>Who is Old Bess and why does she have braces dangling down? (Or what are
>the correct words to that line).
>
>
>Thanks,
>J.S.
>
Blackpool to pick those points JS....
"We'll look around and blame the mess on EDWARD PIER", which is one of the
attractions of that fair city.
The other one is simply "old BEST braces hanging down", a reference to the
habit of rolling one's trouser legs up and strolling along the beach ankle
deep in the sea.
Ask me another,
Steve
Johnny Scarecrow
> I suppose you would need to be familiar with the English holiday
> resort of
> Blackpool to pick those points JS....
>
> "We'll look around and blame the mess on EDWARD PIER", which is one of
> the
> attractions of that fair city.
>
> The other one is simply "old BEST braces hanging down", a reference to
> the
> habit of rolling one's trouser legs up and strolling along the beach
> ankle
> deep in the sea.
Wow! Ask and ye shall receive. Thanks to all for the interpretations.
I have many to choose from now.
A close friend of mine went to Blackpool from the states for a
convention (Babylon 5, not Tull). Knowing it was the semi-birthplace of
Tull, I asked her to bring me back a rock or bag of sand. She brought
me back candy instead, hard as a rock which was good enough for me. The
candy wrapper has a picture of the Iron Tower and so several references
from the song are tied in together in this one souvenir. I believe the
candy will last several hundred years, though.
Thanks again. I will probably have more questions for anyone familiar
with everyday life in England.
J.S.
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March the Mad Scientist <Ma...@mad.scientist.com> wrote:
> It's braces. In the US I'm told thay're called suspenders. In the UK,
> suspenders are different things entirely, but most men still like 'em.
> <G>
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I just saw that! Do I dare ask?
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Jckalynn
suspenders are different things entirely, but most men still like 'em.>
...kinda like codpeices, hmm???
I love classic dressing!!
:-}~~
hmmm...???
Lawrence A. (Wes) Westhaver
North, South and a Central Pier but no Edward Pier.... Even though I think
your explanation is the most likely, I can't find an Edward Pier. Of course
it's been many years since this song was penned so maybe they've renamed the
pier?
I do find these tid-bits of info interesting and they help illuminate the
songs.
Here's the Blackpool attractions link:
http://www.blackpool.com/sights.html#piers
Also, as for "old BEST braces hanging down", is the term "old best braces"
another colloquialism? I don't get it. Is "old best" similar to "sunday
best"?
Wes....
StevieJay wrote in message <6t68p1$r2n$1...@runswick.octacon.co.uk>...
>
>Johnny Scarecrow wrote in message <35F49310...@stcleve.net>...
>>A question that has been bugging me for over 25 years:
>>
>>Who/what is Edward Bear/Beer that we blame the mess on?
>>
>>Who is Old Bess and why does she have braces dangling down? (Or what are
>>the correct words to that line).
>>
>>These trivial things help me enjoy the songs all the more.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>J.S.
>>
>I suppose you would need to be familiar with the English holiday resort of
>Blackpool to pick those points JS....
>
>"We'll look around and blame the mess on EDWARD PIER", which is one of the
>attractions of that fair city.
>
>The other one is simply "old BEST braces hanging down", a reference to the
>habit of rolling one's trouser legs up and strolling along the beach ankle
>deep in the sea.
>
>Ask me another,
>Steve
>
>
Lawrence A. (Wes) Westhaver
The Pool"? Meaning, what does the official Jethro Tull Lyric book say? Is it
Edward Bear, or Edward Pier? What about the Old Vests Vs. Old Best line?
The lyrics I checked against were from the St. Cleve web site and it says
Edward Bear and Old Vests.... So are there any dissenters? I'm beginning to
doubt the accuracy of the St. Cleve postings.
Darma4one
>
>Oh yeah! I almost forgot! Can anyone give us the "King James Version" of "Up
>The Pool"? Meaning, what does the official Jethro Tull Lyric book say? Is it
>Edward Bear, or Edward Pier? What about the Old Vests Vs. Old Best line?
>
>The lyrics I checked against were from the St. Cleve web site and it says
>Edward Bear and Old Vests.... So are there any dissenters? I'm beginning to
>doubt the accuracy of the St. Cleve postings.
>
>Wes....
From said holy book, He is quoted:
"The reference to >Edward Bear< in Up The Pool stems from this period
(post-first-marriage). I think very possibly there was some thought in my mind
- something about Edward Heath. Maybe it was because the Conservative Party had
lost the election and that meant higher taxes; 83% under the new Labour
government. Which was really too much!"
The questioned Lyrics were extracted as follows:
. . .
The politicians there who've come to take the air
while posing for the daily press
will look around and blame the mess
on Edward Bear.
There'll be buckets, spades and bingo, cockles, mussels, rainy days,
seaweed and sand castles, icy waves.
Deck chairs, rubber dinghies, old vests, braces dangling down,
sun-tanned stranded starfish in a daze.
. . .
Hope this helps.
Just trying to be . . .
Alive And Well And Living In . . .
Dharma For One.
March the Mad Scientist
sat at the 'puter and typed this into the gate:
No, not really. They're the almost-extinct little devices which attach
to a ladies stockings (nylons?) to stop them falling down. The other end
attaches to a belt-like thingy.
Men like 'em because they're very easy to dismantle and much less
cumbersome than tights (pantyhose?)
Brassieres are the worst things to take apart[1], especially when in the
dark, on unfamiliar territory, with only one hand. Erm, allegedly.
[1]Except for the front loaders.
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March the Mad Scientist
A. (Wes) Westhaver sat at the 'puter and typed this into the gate:
>Oh yeah! I almost forgot! Can anyone give us the "King James Version" of "Up
>The Pool"? Meaning, what does the official Jethro Tull Lyric book say? Is it
>Edward Bear, or Edward Pier? What about the Old Vests Vs. Old Best line?
>
>The lyrics I checked against were from the St. Cleve web site and it says
>Edward Bear and Old Vests.... So are there any dissenters? I'm beginning to
>doubt the accuracy of the St. Cleve postings.
>
>>
>>Ask me another,
>>Steve
>>
All this time, it had been quite clear to March that the others knew
nothing about Edwards. And as for all their tempting ideas well,
March didn't care.
The lyric argument was their own affair.
And after all, March /did/ have a spare.... Beer!
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Ray Lomas
March the Mad Scientist wrote in message ...
>All this time, it had been quite clear to March that the others knew
>nothing about Edwards. And as for all their tempting ideas well,
>March didn't care.
>The lyric argument was their own affair.
>And after all, March /did/ have a spare.... Beer!
You've obviously been sitting next to the hole in the door too long. :-)
Take two more beers and call me in the morning.
Beware the spiders,
Ray
sda...@rocketmail.com
> sat at the 'puter and typed this into the gate:
> >suspenders are different things entirely, but most men still like 'em.>
> >
> >
> >...kinda like codpeices, hmm???
> >I love classic dressing!!
> >:-}~~
> >hmmm...???
>
> No, not really. They're the almost-extinct little devices which attach
> to a ladies stockings (nylons?) to stop them falling down. The other end
> attaches to a belt-like thingy.
>
> Men like 'em because they're very easy to dismantle and much less
> cumbersome than tights (pantyhose?)
>
> Brassieres are the worst things to take apart[1], especially when in the
> dark, on unfamiliar territory, with only one hand. Erm, allegedly.
>
> [1]Except for the front loaders.
> March the Mad Scientist ICQ# 14675379 ma...@mad.scientist.com
> http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Hills/1591/index.html
> "Can you smell my presence in the laundry of your catwalk girlfriend?"
> - HMHB
>
The classic setup linking silk stockings to garter-belt traversing smooth
thigh...guaranteed to cause male synaptic meltdown and redirection of the
blood supply in 5 seconds or less!
Cheers
Steven
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sda...@rocketmail.com wrote:
>
> The classic setup linking silk stockings to garter-belt traversing smooth
> thigh...guaranteed to cause male synaptic meltdown and redirection of the
> blood supply in 5 seconds or less!
>
> Cheers
> Steven
>
Is that with or without Viagra?
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Jckalynn
>[1]Except for the front loaders.>
hahaha...I was going to say...:)
J~
Jckalynn
>nothing about Edwards. And as for all their tempting ideas well,
>March didn't care.
>The lyric argument was their own affair.
>And after all, March /did/ have a spare.... Beer!>
DAH DUH!!!
Bravo..applause...applause....:)
Jimi
There's no need for drugs when garters are present.
But a little wine is always nice! ;-)
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Spine-tingling railway sleepers
Sleepy houses lying four-square and firm
Orange beams divide the darkness
Rumbling fit to turn the waking worm.
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Ray Lomas
March the Mad Scientist wrote in message ...
>Well it still sounds like Edward Beer to me, and I must have played the
>thing 200 times now. No doubt I shall dream the damn song tonight.
It's Edward Bear all right, and what a coincidence that Edward Bear is also
the name that Christopher Robin Milne named his teddy bear before his daddy
named him Pooh.
Back to the Hundred Acre Wood,
Ray
jlc45
March the Mad Scientist wrote:
> Well it still sounds like Edward Beer to me, and I must have played the
> thing 200 times now. No doubt I shall dream the damn song tonight.
I'm prepared to accept beer.
Jim
March the Mad Scientist
sat at the 'puter and typed this into the gate:
>
>
>hahaha...I was going to say...:)
>J~
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March the Mad Scientist
sat at the 'puter and typed this into the gate:
thing 200 times now. No doubt I shall dream the damn song tonight.
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Lawrence A. (Wes) Westhaver
Edward Bear on the net. I must have turned up thousands of links to Winnie
The Pooh.... Not one of them had anything to do with British government. So,
I must ask again, How does one make the connection between Jethro Tull's
Edward Bear and former Prime Minister Edward Heath?
Seems like a stretch to me. Does anyone have a definitive answer to the 'who
is Edward Bear' question?
Wes....
And Ray grinned from ear to ear and whispered:
>
>March the Mad Scientist wrote in message ...
>
>>Well it still sounds like Edward Beer to me, and I must have played the
>>thing 200 times now. No doubt I shall dream the damn song tonight.
>
GTS1234
4, sentence 1, end of debate.
Is there a decent typist out there with a Lyric Book that would transcribe for
the Benefit of the NG?
Jeff in Pittsburgh
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jlc45 <jl...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> March the Mad Scientist wrote:
>
> > Well it still sounds like Edward Beer to me, and I must have played the
> > thing 200 times now. No doubt I shall dream the damn song tonight.
>
>
> Jim
>
>
Now, that I won't dispute! Your ability to accept beer.
jlc45
1pa...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <35F9DB8E...@earthlink.net>,
> jlc45 <jl...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > March the Mad Scientist wrote:
> >
> > > Well it still sounds like Edward Beer to me, and I must have played the
> > > thing 200 times now. No doubt I shall dream the damn song tonight.
> >
> > I'm prepared to accept beer.
> >
> > Jim
> >
> >
>
> Now, that I won't dispute! Your ability to accept beer.
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What can I say? It's a gift ...
Jim
Jckalynn
is Edward Bear' question?
>
Mr Real's teddy bear?:)
Jackalynn
Frank
I know this a Tull newsgroup and not a political one, but the masses are asses
as my granddad used to say, and the press (NY Times or, Pravda as it is
sometimes referred to) will have us believe that the Clifton administration has
somehow caused low unemployment and decent productivity without inflation.
Wonder what Ian would write about that!!!
GTS1234 wrote:
> Edward Heath was at the timeabouts prime minister, so the poor chap (?)
> therefore was the obvious and perfect national foil for Brits to blame the
> current sociopolitical mess(es) on. A bit like handing the US' slick willie
> credit for the current strength of the economy! Simple, but fun. Like
> Blackpool then and today.
>
> Jeff in Pittsburgh
GTS1234
"May be barbaric, but its fun" to oversimplify the credit/blame anytime, eh?
Jeff in Pittsburgh
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>Jeff,
>I know this a Tull newsgroup and not a political one, but the masses >are asses
>as my granddad used to say,
Casey inquires:
What was the Italian translation Frank? <G>
-Casey(who has known Frank since we were both mere lads)
Brikbat9
Words of wisdom.
>but the masses are asses
>as my granddad used to say
Jack
