Dot Com art
Steve Smith
I truly hate to say this, but once again Ian's marketing acumen is a wee
bit suspect.
While attempting to be hip, cool, youthful and cutting edge with his
devil-may-care "dangling" caricature on all items related to Dot Com,
especially t-shirts, I can only imagine a few Tull fans willing to
shell out any money to buy that shirt.
Where in the hell can intelligent, stylish, mannered, cultured, 40 or
50-something Tull fans going to wear the damn thing without feeling like
a complete fool?
I know more than a fwe of you will disagree, thinking it the ultimate in
beer bar apparel - however - and I may be way off the mark - I think 90%
of us are beyond wearing a t-shirt with some satanic or pagan guy's
schlong looming large.
PLease let me know if I'm right or if you disagree. Thanks,
Steve
KCRvrRnnr
the wife didn't mind).
The other concern has to do with the CD cover artwork. Even if it was not
banned as obscene, I can't help but think it would cost more sales than it
gains. I'm sure many retailers would not put something like that on display
(though grotesque monsters a la Iron Maiden and nearly-naked females are
obviously OK).
seal driver
> I think 90%
> of us are beyond wearing a t-shirt with some satanic or pagan guy's
> schlong looming large.
Well, when you put it that way.... :-)
Klaus Franzmann
W. Allen Montgomery wrote in message
<7jd9id$58r$1...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...
>kcrv...@aol.com (KCRvrRnnr) wrote:
> Ummm... could someone please post the URL for this allegedly
>unsavory bit of visual stimulation?
>
> Thanks.
>
>--
>W. Allen Montgomery
Here you are:
http://www.angelfire.com/wy/voorbij/tulltext.html
Klaus
Ridlywlker
the picture itself isn't good artistically and that is why i won't be buying
one.
jess
pamela
Allen Montgomery) wrote:
>
> Ummm... could someone please post the URL for this allegedly
>unsavory bit of visual stimulation?
>
> Thanks.
RBofC
stark contrast to the intelligence and maturity which is found within IA's
musical output. If the goal was to appeal to a certain slice of the 16-20 year
old male demographic then it seems pointless. A few exceptions
notwithstanding, Tull is never going to recapture that market. Moreover, the
appeal of the artwork is likely to be greatest among those who like to shout
"rock and roll" at Tull concerts-- exactly the type who seem to annoy IA the
most when he's trying to perform the gentler side of Tull.--RB
>I truly hate to say this, but once again Ian's marketing acumen is a wee
>bit suspect.
>
>While attempting to be hip, cool, youthful and cutting edge with his
>devil-may-care "dangling" caricature on all items related to Dot Com,
>especially t-shirts, I can only imagine a few Tull fans willing to
>shell out any money to buy that shirt.
>
>Where in the hell can intelligent, stylish, mannered, cultured, 40 or
>50-something Tull fans going to wear the damn thing without feeling like
>a complete fool?
>
>I know more than a fwe of you will disagree, thinking it the ultimate in
>beer bar apparel - however - and I may be way off the mark - I think 90%
>of us are beyond wearing a t-shirt with some satanic or pagan guy's
>schlong looming large.
>
CatfishRI
>From: Steve Smith <est...@earthlink.net>
>Date: 6/5/99 10:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <375A05...@earthlink.net>
>
>Howdy,
>
>I truly hate to say this, but once again Ian's marketing acumen is a wee
>bit suspect.
>
>While attempting to be hip, cool, youthful and cutting edge with his
>devil-may-care "dangling" caricature on all items related to Dot Com,
>especially t-shirts, I can only imagine a few Tull fans willing to
>shell out any money to buy that shirt.
>
>Where in the hell can intelligent, stylish, mannered, cultured, 40 or
>50-something Tull fans going to wear the damn thing without feeling like
>a complete fool?
>
>I know more than a fwe of you will disagree, thinking it the ultimate in
>beer bar apparel - however - and I may be way off the mark - I think 90%
>of us are beyond wearing a t-shirt with some satanic or pagan guy's
>schlong looming large.
>
>PLease let me know if I'm right or if you disagree. Thanks,
>
> Steve
Hello Steve
I feel a lot of people will buy the tee shirt, it is something new and exciting
and heck it is TULL. Go out to the mall and see what the heck the kids are
wearing (shirts that are too big and pants that look like you could put three
kids in them, heck they are going to fall off any second)
For me though I like the programs and the badges or pins what ever you wish to
call them. now I wish the boys would come up with a badge for every album (or
CD depending on your age) that I could really enjoy.
no one has said (or maybe I missed it) is there a new program out for this
tour?
is there a new badge out for this CD or album ?
I would wear the badge or pin long before the tee shirt
(heck I still have my "A" tee shirt) and some before that LOL
ALL THE BEST SAM IN SAN DIEGO
ô ô
ż
O OH NO! MORE TULL
Aoxomoxoa
--
Jimi AOXOMOXOA aka
The GRAND COURT JESTER
______________________________
"They should realize before they criticize
That God is the only way to LOVE."
- BLACK SABBATH, "After Forever" 1971
Jckalynn
>PLease let me know if I'm right or if you disagree. Thanks,>
I tend to agree with you.
I won't wear it.
Let me toss this out. Do you suppose that this art work was put up as a joke?
Perhaps?
Or am I just hoping?
Jackalynn
'Coal-black cats in policemen's hats
nosing where the mice have been.'
Jckalynn
notwithstanding, Tull is never going to recapture that market. Moreover, the
appeal of the artwork is likely to be greatest among those who like to shout
"rock and roll" at Tull concerts-- exactly the type who seem to annoy IA the
most when he's trying to perform the gentler side of Tull.--RB
>
Yup...very well put! I don't get what Ian was thinking at all.
My 9 yearold daughter who loves Tull will not borrow this CD from me. I can
change the cover art myself, but what if the pic is on the CD? As it was with
Divinities?
seal driver
> Yup...very well put! I don't get what Ian was thinking at all.
> My 9 yearold daughter who loves Tull will not borrow this CD from me. I can
> change the cover art myself, but what if the pic is on the CD? As it was with
> Divinities?
>
> Jackalynn
Perhaps the hole in the middle of the CD will make the graphic a wee bit more
acceptable for your daughter.
News.Kabelfoon
IT. Not because of the satyr-like image (which in its way is funny, I think,
for one could assume a connection with the uncontrolable and subversive
Green Man in Jack-In-The-Green), but simply because it lacks any taste. In
my (strong) opinion it is by no means representative for what Jethro Tull
stands for and the treasures they offered us over the years. I hate the
'metal band like' font that is used, which suggests Tull is nothing mote
than a headbanger band.
I will definitely not buy one of those T-shirts when I get to see them in
October. A program will do for me.
--
Jan Voorbij
email: jvoo...@kabelfoon.nl
homepage: "Cup Of Wonder : The Annotated Jethro Tull Lyrics Page":
http://www.angelfire.com/wy/voorbij/tulltext.html
RBofC <rb...@aol.com> schreef in berichtnieuws
19990606094150...@ng-fq1.aol.com...
> I agree with you completely. The artwork is tacky to say the least and in
such
> stark contrast to the intelligence and maturity which is found within IA's
> musical output. If the goal was to appeal to a certain slice of the 16-20
year
> old male demographic then it seems pointless. A few exceptions
> notwithstanding, Tull is never going to recapture that market. Moreover,
the
> appeal of the artwork is likely to be greatest among those who like to
shout
> "rock and roll" at Tull concerts-- exactly the type who seem to annoy IA
the
> most when he's trying to perform the gentler side of Tull.--RB
>
>
> >I truly hate to say this, but once again Ian's marketing acumen is a wee
> >bit suspect.
> >
> >While attempting to be hip, cool, youthful and cutting edge with his
> >devil-may-care "dangling" caricature on all items related to Dot Com,
> >especially t-shirts, I can only imagine a few Tull fans willing to
> >shell out any money to buy that shirt.
> >
> >Where in the hell can intelligent, stylish, mannered, cultured, 40 or
> >50-something Tull fans going to wear the damn thing without feeling like
> >a complete fool?
> >
> >I know more than a fwe of you will disagree, thinking it the ultimate in
> >beer bar apparel - however - and I may be way off the mark - I think 90%
> >of us are beyond wearing a t-shirt with some satanic or pagan guy's
> >schlong looming large.
> >
> >PLease let me know if I'm right or if you disagree. Thanks,
> >
> > Steve
>
>
Klaus Franzmann
>Looks like much ado about nothing to me!
It's amazing how frightning a naked man(?) can be.
/Klaus
"Lend me your ears while I call you a fool"
Ian Anderson
Tom Ostfeld
Frankly, I kind of like it. No pun intended, it's kind of "ballsy" for Ian
to do this. As much as I have liked the understated cover art of the past
few albums, yet another Commodore 64 graphic would have surely screamed, "We
are a stale 70's band afraid to take a risk!" The demon is not tremedously
sinister or scary, and it's aforementioned "member" is stylized at best.
Get over it, and live a little!
Steve Smith <est...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:375A05...@earthlink.net...
>Howdy,
Slickmstr
versions of SFTW, fans that have continued to shell-out (sell-out) our money
and support in spite of the last decade of offerings from JT. But this pagan,
flute playing goat with his young Thomas flying about is way beyond me! I only
hope that the MUSIC is worthy of inclusion into the Tull mystic and we can all
forget about "goat boy".
Mr. Stubbs
....and the mouse police never sleep.
Ridlywlker
jan, you said what i think much better than i did!
there isn't anything wrong with naked satyrs per se, this one is just tacky!
jess
Jckalynn
acceptable for your daughter.
>
LOL. I thought about that...it'll fall in the right spot. haha
jlc45
>
> Looks like much ado about nothing to me!
>
> Jimi AOXOMOXOA aka
> The GRAND COURT JESTER
> ______________________________
> "They should realize before they criticize
> That God is the only way to LOVE."
> - BLACK SABBATH, "After Forever" 1971
I agree, I wish I was wearing it now! ROCK AND ROLL!!!!
Jim :-)
(Of course, you won't be able to get into Disneyland with it, but who
the hell wants to?)
pamela
wrote:
>Looks like much ado about nothing to me!
Well, I for one am extremely disappointed at the lack of intellectual
conversation here. Look, we have a naked man on his knees, exposed to
the word. Behind him a ring a flames which one can only suppose he
has been jumping through. He has the head of a ram. He is playing a
flute. What does this mean. A bad hair day? :-)
Bernd Owsnicki-Klewe
Jckalynn wrote:
Awww, come on you all!!!
Sorry to jump into the ongoing rage on your msg, Jackalynn!
Didn't expect to raise such a turbulent discussion <g>! We're living in 1999,
don't we? I know it's a bit controversial, but nothing to enrage on... just a
little satyr (very little, IMO <g>).
Seems we Tullians are always in a mood to over-interpret... Don't take this too
seriously, please! I'll wear the shirt on my band's next gig along with my RTB
cap... hope the crowd (hopefully more than 20!) will enjoy it!
Calm down and listen to the music, ok?
Bernd
Aoxomoxoa
It's the "mythical" theme reappearing in Tull album covers.
It's really very consistent with Tull of the past, in my very strong opinion.
:-)
"News.Kabelfoon" wrote:
> I agree with the dismay the Dot.Com art work is evoking. Personally, I HATE
> IT. Not because of the satyr-like image (which in its way is funny, I think,
> for one could assume a connection with the uncontrolable and subversive
> Green Man in Jack-In-The-Green), but simply because it lacks any taste. In
> my (strong) opinion it is by no means representative for what Jethro Tull
> stands for and the treasures they offered us over the years. I hate the
> 'metal band like' font that is used, which suggests Tull is nothing mote
> than a headbanger band.
> I will definitely not buy one of those T-shirts when I get to see them in
> October. A program will do for me.
>
> --
> Jan Voorbij
>
> email: jvoo...@kabelfoon.nl
> homepage: "Cup Of Wonder : The Annotated Jethro Tull Lyrics Page":
> http://www.angelfire.com/wy/voorbij/tulltext.html
>
> RBofC <rb...@aol.com> schreef in berichtnieuws
> 19990606094150...@ng-fq1.aol.com...
> > I agree with you completely. The artwork is tacky to say the least and in
> such
> > stark contrast to the intelligence and maturity which is found within IA's
> > musical output. If the goal was to appeal to a certain slice of the 16-20
> year
> > old male demographic then it seems pointless. A few exceptions
> > notwithstanding, Tull is never going to recapture that market. Moreover,
> the
> > appeal of the artwork is likely to be greatest among those who like to
> shout
> > "rock and roll" at Tull concerts-- exactly the type who seem to annoy IA
> the
> > most when he's trying to perform the gentler side of Tull.--RB
> >
> >
> > >I truly hate to say this, but once again Ian's marketing acumen is a wee
> > >bit suspect.
> > >
> > >While attempting to be hip, cool, youthful and cutting edge with his
> > >devil-may-care "dangling" caricature on all items related to Dot Com,
> > >especially t-shirts, I can only imagine a few Tull fans willing to
> > >shell out any money to buy that shirt.
> > >
> > >Where in the hell can intelligent, stylish, mannered, cultured, 40 or
> > >50-something Tull fans going to wear the damn thing without feeling like
> > >a complete fool?
> > >
> > >I know more than a fwe of you will disagree, thinking it the ultimate in
> > >beer bar apparel - however - and I may be way off the mark - I think 90%
> > >of us are beyond wearing a t-shirt with some satanic or pagan guy's
> > >schlong looming large.
> > >
> > >PLease let me know if I'm right or if you disagree. Thanks,
> > >
> > > Steve
> >
> >
--
Casey
might become a real collector's item. How does one order it? Hey Jan!
since you aren't buying one for yourself how about snagging a shirt for
me? I have a feeling that we here in the US might get the plain brown
wrapper 'censored' version.
--
-Casey
Please visit my website at:
Http://www.angelfire.com/mi/nitecap/index.html
CatfishRI
HELLO ALL
OK! I need a little help. who can cut lose with some info on (goat boy ) " I
love it "
I think the goat was called PAN.
Info please, What does it stand for? What did the goat flute player do?
Was it good or bad? Lets play with this and see where we end up.
Things are not always what they look like.
ALL THE BEST SAM IN SAN DIEGO
ô ô
¿
Paul T. Clegg
> I think 90% of us are beyond wearing a t-shirt with some satanic or pagan
> guy's
> schlong looming large.
Hi,
I find myself in your 90% group. I am disappointed, but it is just the
gutsy type of thing I would expect from Ian. I will not be buying a shirt
this time.
Paul
Beastie [Bjoernar]
The reactions mostly from north americans is typically
hypocritical and bigoted. Especially the reaction against
the DOT COM graphics. Which they of course think is
obscene or something. For them violence is more natural
than a naked body. For most part we Europeans
ROFL when we hear about the puritanism in the States.
IF Ian Anderson is a pagan it is no problem for me.
I have allways considered the music and lyrics of Ian Anderson
to have some kind of celtic/paganistic influence.
But of course we do not notice this as much now as we do
listening to the albums from the last part of the 70's/first part of
80's.
This has helped giving the band a mystic/mytical aura.
On Sat, 05 Jun 1999 22:20:10 -0700, Steve Smith
<est...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Howdy,
>
>I truly hate to say this, but once again Ian's marketing acumen is a wee
>bit suspect.
>
>While attempting to be hip, cool, youthful and cutting edge with his
>devil-may-care "dangling" caricature on all items related to Dot Com,
>especially t-shirts, I can only imagine a few Tull fans willing to
>shell out any money to buy that shirt.
>
>Where in the hell can intelligent, stylish, mannered, cultured, 40 or
>50-something Tull fans going to wear the damn thing without feeling like
>a complete fool?
>
>I know more than a fwe of you will disagree, thinking it the ultimate in
>beer bar apparel - however - and I may be way off the mark - I think 90%
>of us are beyond wearing a t-shirt with some satanic or pagan guy's
>schlong looming large.
>
>PLease let me know if I'm right or if you disagree. Thanks,
>
> Steve
>
Beastie [Bjoernar]
You are welcome to visit
Flying Colours
- Your #1 Jethro Tull Information Resource at:
http://www.flying-colours.net
StmWatch
in here! I must state my exception to the majority. When I first saw the new
(presumably) cover art, I was elated. It was the first sign of 'new' material
coming our way, and it gave me goosebumps, just as previous new albums and
their covers had. I don't find anything about the art "offensive", "vulgar" or
in poor taste. It almost seems to be yet another example of the 'mystical'
side of Tull coming to the fore again. Seeing this artwork makes me yearn for
August 25 even more!
Bill
Ray Lomas
> Where in the hell can intelligent, stylish, mannered, cultured, 40 or
> 50-something Tull fans going to wear the damn thing without feeling like
> a complete fool?
Well that leaves me out....except the 40-something part :-)
I'll have no trouble wearing it all over the countryside.
Ray
david
>me, the other is for my eight year old daughter.
>Mary
>Goes Jumping In Again
Every child should have a mother as sweet as you!
DN
Rob Goforth
>I tend to agree with you.
>I won't wear it.
>Let me toss this out. Do you suppose that this art work was put up as a
joke?
>Perhaps?
>Or am I just hoping?
>
>Jackalynn
I was hoping the dot-com thing was a joke, but I'm beginning to lose
hope....
Rob
Witches...@webtv.net
in human "art".
l think the portrayal of "Pan", with flute, to be most apropos.
"The Piper whose song is irresistible"
This has to be one of Ian's most obvious displays of his lyric,
"satyric" wit.....:)
( Yes..*do* look up the etymology of "satire", please )...<g>
Now, to return to my perpetual lurking.....
W ( Yo....Pan ) P......:))
Rob Goforth
>The tee shirt graphic design is not THAT bad.
>
>The reactions mostly from north americans is typically
>hypocritical and bigoted.
<snippitydoodah>
Dear open-minded person,
I can understand how you might think we "puritanical" N. Americans (way to
piss off all of Canada and Mexico) are a load of goddamn idiots, but please
tell me how we earned the label of "bigots" for Christ's sake. Bigoted
towards whom, mythical creatures? Burning penises?
My opinion toward this "art" is based upon the vision of Jethro Tull dancing
in my head. It is a mystical and beautiful thing. This may be mystical (or
at least incomprehensible) but it ain't beautiful. If I want to see a
flaming johnson I'll set the local hotel on fire. This vision of dot-com
sucks!
Before you call us primitive new worlders names, take us out to dinner.
Wine us, dine us, 69 us (not too puritanical now, eh bucko?). Get to know
us all on a personal and emotional level. Impress us with your
understanding, and then hit us with your best shot. We can take it. We
like violence, remember?
This really pisses me off.
Rob
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Ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not
put!
-Yoda's High School English teacher.
boo...@pop.omah.uswest.net
great fan of the movie. I'm wondering if this is a bit of homage to the
movie.....?
Rob Goforth
like/dislike the cover, we'll all judge this book by its contents.
Rob "Puritanical Witch Hunter" Goforth
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Ending a sentence with a preposition is something up with which I will not
put!
-Yoda's High School English teacher.
Jckalynn wrote in message <19990607000736...@ng-xa1.aol.com>...
>OK, I have gotten into this discussion far deeper than I wanted to.
>I am done with it. This is why I usually stay out of this stuff.
>Opiniated? Yes:)
>Nite all.
Frank P. Viviano
again.
Franco
MarybalCan
>The reactions mostly from north americans is typically
>hypocritical and bigoted.
"Double Standard" also comes to mind. Just wondering aloud, would the
reaction be as negative if the artwork depicted a naked female body? Hmmmmm?
As to the connection between the title and the cover art, I admit, I just don't
get it...But I do know, that I joyously welcome the departure from
thosesimply horrid graphics of the past decade.
Biggles43
Well said Bill I totally agree. The design is typical Tull along the same
lines as Broadsword. I don't know what the big deal is. I may buy two or
three T-shirts. Keep up the good work Ian - I hope the music is as good
StmWatch
>
BTW: Where the hell were you when I needed you last Saturday?? LOL
Jckalynn
>
That's what I am going for.
The music.
Definitely, NOT the Tshirt.
To each his own...
:)
See ya' all at the shows!
Jckalynn
>hypocritical and bigoted.
>
Actually, I quite resent that.
All I'm saying is that I'm not going to wear the tshirt. Period. Ian can use
whatever artwork he likes...his choice...but I don't have to buy it. That is
mine.
Louise
Jckalynn
Are you really going to let your daughter wear this thing with his dick hanging
out?????
Sorry, but I am blown away by this.
Lou
Jckalynn
I am done with it. This is why I usually stay out of this stuff.
Opiniated? Yes:)
Nite all.
Jackalynn
Todd Lowenstein
>>hypocritical and bigoted.
What an asshole thing to say, really. I hope the author was trying to get
a rise out of people instead of being a genuine moron. But this is what
free speech is about. Ooppss, there I go showing my North American
tendencies again.
By the way, I am not quite sure what to think about the artwork yet. But
you have to be a dickhead (pun intended) not to see that it would be
offensive to some.
Todd
jeffrey
Beastie [Bjoernar] wrote in message <375afe93...@news1.c2i.net>...
>The tee shirt graphic design is not THAT bad.
>
>the DOT COM graphics.
i suppose you figure your a better person than me? maybe so, but my mother
would probably argue that one with you. :)
anyway, i really didn't think to much about it, the art work that is,
until i sat down to catch up
on the posts from the last couple of days. i called my wife over to look at
the "dot com" art, and she got a chuckle. she asked me " whats it all mean"?
i said "it don't mean sheet." (not unlike this post i just made)
............jeffrey
Casey
>
> Beastie [Bjoernar] wrote in message <375afe93...@news1.c2i.net>...
> >The tee shirt graphic design is not THAT bad.
> >
> >The reactions mostly from north americans is typically
> >hypocritical and bigoted.
>
>
> Dear open-minded person,
>
> I can understand how you might think we "puritanical" N. Americans (way to
> piss off all of Canada and Mexico) are a load of goddamn idiots, but please
> tell me how we earned the label of "bigots" for Christ's sake. Bigoted
> towards whom, mythical creatures? Burning penises?
>
> My opinion toward this "art" is based upon the vision of Jethro Tull dancing
> in my head. It is a mystical and beautiful thing. This may be mystical (or
> at least incomprehensible) but it ain't beautiful. If I want to see a
> flaming johnson I'll set the local hotel on fire. This vision of dot-com
> sucks!
>
> Before you call us primitive new worlders names, take us out to dinner.
> Wine us, dine us, 69 us (not too puritanical now, eh bucko?). Get to know
> us all on a personal and emotional level. Impress us with your
> understanding, and then hit us with your best shot. We can take it. We
> like violence, remember?
>
> This really pisses me off.
>
> Rob
C'mon Rob don't hold back....tell us how you really feel!<G>
Nemrac47
panties clearly showing... 27 years later, having a dick showing seems like no
surprise to me!
The album cover makes me EXCITED beyond belief at what this album might have in
store for us all--could this be a literal example of "back to basics"? What's
more basic than a naked human(oid) form?
Or is this is show some form of irony if the album where to have more in common
with Under Wraps (as the Dot Com name implies) than SftW?
I have not been this excited at a Tull release possibly ever! I mean from Crest
of a Knave (great symbol!) to Rock Island (Very cool symbol) to Catfish Rising
(Simplistic yet nice symbol) to Roots to Branches (I could count the pixels
from across the room--I didn't like it at all)--we've had simple covers with
central symbols. This is something DIFFERENT! Somehow more exciting than the
other (though the Satyr is still centrally located ;).
The very "naughtiness" of the cover only peaks my interest!
Matt Willis
Come visit Nemrac's Guide to Life!
http://members.aol.com/Nemrac47/guideopn.htm
Robotech, VWs, Chain Maille and (coming eventually) even more!
Scott
artwork to be offensive. I sort of like it. However, I would not want to
walk around wearing a shirt with this artwork on it. My 4 year old son
would not stop laughing long enough to eat his breakfast.
Scott(the north american who would like to see more naked bodies[but not on
my clothing] and less guns)
Jckalynn wrote in message <19990607000139...@ng-xa1.aol.com>...
>>The reactions mostly from north americans is typically
>>hypocritical and bigoted.
>
>>
>
mma...@dazel.com
> The tee shirt graphic design is not THAT bad.
>
> obscene or something. For them violence is more natural
> than a naked body. For most part we Europeans
> ROFL when we hear about the puritanism in the States.
I think the consensus reaction is not so much that the design
is obscene but rather that it just seems pointless and immature,
which is certainly unTullish. At 37, I can't see myself wearing
the damn thing.
Mikey
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LeeAnn5ft
Witches Promise wrote:
<<The ithyphallic horned deity is probably the second most ancient image
in human "art".
l think the portrayal of "Pan", with flute, to be most apropos.
"The Piper whose song is irresistible"
You've said a mouthful there....
<<This has to be one of Ian's most obvious displays of his lyric,
"satyric" wit.....:)
( Yes..*do* look up the etymology of "satire", please )...<g>
Now, to return to my perpetual lurking.....
W ( Yo....Pan ) P......:))
>>
Yo... Witches Promise.... Finally... a post that makes me want to hear more...
please more... tell me more!
Perhaps some of you aught to come down off the horses high back eh? Relax a
bit. Naked women, naked men, naked babies...naked devils.. what the hell?
We're born in our Birthday Suits, why be ashamed? I'm excited by this artwork.
It's gutsy!
And incredibly erotic!
Another whose delurking
LeeAnn
LeeAnn5ft
<<"Double Standard" also comes to mind. Just wondering aloud, would the
reaction be as negative if the artwork depicted a naked female body? Hmmmmm?
As to the connection between the title and the cover art, I admit, I just don't
get it...But I do know, that I joyously welcome the departure from
thosesimply horrid graphics of the past decade.>>
Well now I don't really think the graphics of the last decade to be horrid. But
hear here on the rest of the post.
As to the connection to the title DOT COM
hmmmm...
Devil On The Com- pact disk?
Devil On The Com- puter?
Just a thought.
I'm buying a T-shirt, snd it will be the first one I've bought in 25 years. And
you know why? Just because of all the ruckus it's caused! I'm amused by it
all.
.
Aoxomoxoa
eliminates the possibility of reaching others from the "other" side of the
issue.
my 2.
--
Jimi AOXOMOXOA aka
The GRAND COURT JESTER
______________________________
"They should realize before they criticize
That God is the only way to LOVE."
- BLACK SABBATH, "After Forever" 1971
Todd Lowenstein wrote:
> >>The reactions mostly from north americans is typically
> >>hypocritical and bigoted.
>
>
Alex Lozupone
> It's amazing how frightning a naked man(?) can be.
anyone who's seen their grandfather naked would not be as amazed..
-- AlexQ
http://www.mp3.com/alexq (mediocre music)
Michael Futreal
W. Allen Montgomery wrote:
> Yeah, well, it's still a new JT record, right? They could
> call it "The New JT Record," for all I care. Four years is long time
> to wait.
>
> And hey! If this is really the cover art, we can all just
> make our own!
>
Here, here. A year or so ago, Blue Oyster Cult released a long awaited
studio album, entitled Heaven Forbid. It had some pretty frightful cover
art (it was meant to evoke a movie one-sheet for a horror flick, I think)
and the message boards were filled with just this sort of cover-talk.
For a view of the horror, see http://www.bocfanclub.com/main.html -- I
think you'll see that we could do worse for artwork. And be thankful we
didn't have to wait 10 years for it like the BOC fans did. Anyway, the
BOC album was pretty cool in spite of its artwork, if you're into the
electric guitar. It's not Tull, but then, what is?
As for the Tull artwork, it's not the little nekkid guy with the flute,
but it's that damn FONT on the T-shirts that scares me! :-0
Michael Futreal
seal driver
> <<This has to be one of Ian's most obvious displays of his lyric,
> "satyric" wit.....:)
> ( Yes..*do* look up the etymology of "satire", please )...<g>
Why are people calling a man with a ram's head a satyr? I was under the
impression that a satyr's bottom half is a goat and top half is human, with the
addition of goat's horns sprouting from the human head.
Kyle Jones
Jckalynn wrote in message <19990607000518...@ng-xa1.aol.com>...
>Hi,
>Are you really going to let your daughter wear this thing with his dick
hanging
>out?????
>Sorry, but I am blown away by this.
>Lou
>Jackalynn
We can all make our own choices (of course), but would you take your
daughter to see Michelangelo's David if it was displayed locally? Outside
of the quality of the artwork, what's the difference?
Honestly curious,
- Kyle
Beastie [Bjoernar]
Your reaction does seem normal for an american if you were
talking to an abortion doctor. How is that for humor.
On Mon, 07 Jun 1999 05:41:17 GMT, YREMOGT...@spamless.org (W.
Allen Montgomery) wrote:
>bea...@flying-colours.net (Beastie [Bjoernar]) wrote:
>>The reactions mostly from north americans is typically
>>hypocritical and bigoted. Especially the reaction against
>>the DOT COM graphics. Which they of course think is
>>obscene or something. For them violence is more natural
>>than a naked body. For most part we Europeans
>>ROFL when we hear about the puritanism in the States.
>
> Shut yore stinkin' hole or I'll hafta kill you in the name of
>JAY-zuss!
>
>--
>W. Allen Montgomery
>- testing the European sense of humor
>
Beastie [Bjoernar]
You are welcome to visit
Flying Colours
- Your #1 Jethro Tull Information Resource at:
http://www.flying-colours.net
Bernd Owsnicki-Klewe
"W. Allen Montgomery" wrote:
> "Klaus Franzmann" <k...@dane.dk> wrote:
> >http://www.angelfire.com/wy/voorbij/tulltext.html
>
> This is a cool little site. Thanks for pointing it out.
>
> Personally, I like the new "obnoxious little acoustic guitar."
> So much so, I just got one myself. Kinda sad to see Martin playing an
> over-priced Strat copy, 'though, when Hamer (the company's guitars he
> played for half the 70's and all through the 80's) has been making
> some really nice stuff here in their 25th anniversary.
>
> --
> W. Allen Montgomery
Hey, W. Allen, you have one of those? I just want to point out again, I
like the sound, but this little beast always makes me chuckle. What brand
is it?
Bernd
Beastie [Bjoernar]
And very cultural. :)
On Mon, 07 Jun 1999 05:47:15 GMT, "jeffrey" <majr...@uslink.net>
wrote:
>
>Beastie [Bjoernar] wrote in message <375afe93...@news1.c2i.net>...
>>The tee shirt graphic design is not THAT bad.
>>
>>The reactions mostly from north americans is typically
>>hypocritical and bigoted. Especially the reaction against
>>the DOT COM graphics.
>
>i suppose you figure your a better person than me? maybe so, but my mother
>would probably argue that one with you. :)
>anyway, i really didn't think to much about it, the art work that is,
>until i sat down to catch up
>on the posts from the last couple of days. i called my wife over to look at
>the "dot com" art, and she got a chuckle. she asked me " whats it all mean"?
>i said "it don't mean sheet." (not unlike this post i just made)
>............jeffrey
>
>
Beastie [Bjoernar]
Beastie [Bjoernar]
I know it is hard for U.S. citizens to hear what the
rest of the world think about them.
What I have said does generally cover what the
world think about U.S.A.
There is some things we admire about U.S. too
of course but that is not what we are discussing.
On 7 Jun 1999 05:14:03 GMT, Todd Lowenstein
<todd...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>>The reactions mostly from north americans is typically
>>>hypocritical and bigoted.
>
>
>What an asshole thing to say, really. I hope the author was trying to get
>a rise out of people instead of being a genuine moron. But this is what
>free speech is about. Ooppss, there I go showing my North American
>tendencies again.
>
>By the way, I am not quite sure what to think about the artwork yet. But
>you have to be a dickhead (pun intended) not to see that it would be
>offensive to some.
>
>Todd
>
Beastie [Bjoernar]
Bloody Hare
going to conventions, and the like. Wait till I show up at the next
picnic with this "beast-hanging hog" T-Shirt. I agree with most of
you, thou I like the image itself, just wish the member was obscured.
My other problem is the "J-TULL.COM", obvious website promotion. The
title also infers a technology theme which is unlikely. Just another
puzzling offering from the enigma IA, to keep us perplexed.
Witches...@webtv.net
>Why are people calling a man with a ram's
>head a satyr? I was under the impression that
>a satyr's bottom half is a goat and top half is
>human, with the addition of goat's horns
>sprouting from the human head.
Yes.....and no.
The satyr takes many forms in ancient art.
Classical Greek art has a surfeit of statuary entitled "Satyr of
<whatever>" wherein the designated "satyr" looks perfectly human, save
for: some horns, some cloven feet, or merely the posession of pipes. Not
always in combination, either.
Some of the odder portrayals give the satyrs the tail of a horse, as his
only "distinguishing characteristic".
lf this group allows postings of images, l will cheerfully crank up the
PC, and submit some examples, for your consideration....:)
The "satyrs", per se, were more commonly understood as the *followers*
of the horned deity, proper.
( Just as the Maenads were followers of the Moon Goddesses, and not moon
goddesses, themselves )
The donning of the symbolic goat/ram's head, by the officiating human
"priest", was intregal in the rituals devoted to the horned god(s).
l hpoe l have enabled you to see that "Satyr" has a myriad of meanings.
(With pan-cultural occurences...pun intended)...:)
W ( A Lover of All Things, Mythopæic ) P
Jckalynn
daughter to see Michelangelo's David if it was displayed locally? Outside
of the quality of the artwork, what's the difference?
>
I said I was getting out of this discussion, but I will answer your question.
Yes, I would show her David, in fact she has seen pictures and copies of the
statue. She knows what a penis is and she knows that there is no shame in a
nude body. However, her seeing 'David' and the artwork for this Tull abum are
2 different things. Nudity has it's place, but is it necessary on the front of
a Tull tshirt or CD? I don't think so. It's not that the image offends me...I
actually laughed at it. I can't figure out what Ians thoughts are or how this
image will connect to Dot Com. It's interesting to me...but someone did ask if
I'd buy the T shirt, and I said No. I"m not going to walk around with that
figure on my shirt...nor with one of David for that matter.
Louise
Aoxomoxoa
codpieces. :-)
I'm sorry you seem embarrassed by this.
If this IS indeed the album cover or on the CD itself, I'm sure one of us would be
more than willing to make a CDR copy of it for you so you can share it with your
daughter.
As for me, I don't really see any difference in the nudity of this image and the
nudity of statue of David.
I was talking to my wife today about the possibility of buying one for my son who
will be 5 this month.
I doubt they will make these in sizes large enough (4X) for FAT Americans like
myself. :-)
--
Jimi AOXOMOXOA aka
The GRAND COURT JESTER
______________________________
"They should realize before they criticize
That God is the only way to LOVE."
- BLACK SABBATH, "After Forever" 1971
pamela
> I can't figure out what Ians thoughts are or how this image will connect to Dot Com.
>Louise
I think that the devil made him do it. :-)
As much as Ian loves tossing out bones,<g> and after all the fuss of
the "Is Ian a Pagan" thread, he just couldn't help it. It was
inevitable. It was just something he couldn't resist doing. :-)
Maybe he even got himself a laptop for the road ... 'cause we all know
someone in the group is reading our posts. :-)
Alex Lozupone
>
> Mary wrote:
>
> <<"Double Standard" also comes to mind. Just wondering aloud, would the
> reaction be as negative if the artwork depicted a naked female body? Hmmmmm?
>
> As to the connection between the title and the cover art, I admit, I just don't
> get it...
I don't know why, but I thought the whole point of the cover art was to
have an example of what sort of things happen in our industrial age --
i.e., clip art and default fonts.
plus, as with many Tull albums, there is a depiction of (sort of) Ian!
URDEggMen
you have to shoot your way through the room with the humongous goat-head.
BTW... the trick is to have all weapons available, make yourself both invisible
and temporarily invincible, and to get either 3 or 5 rocket launcher blasts
into the opening in the goat-head's forehead.
Hey! If he calls the album "Dot Com", it could all be a manifestation of Ian
spending way too much time playing with his computer :D
Rich
URDEggMen
for FAT Americans like myself. :-)>>
Well, I wouldn't have written it in capital letters like that. I just call
myself "too short for my weight". Glad to know I'm not alone. 3X here.
Rich
URDEggMen
after all, give the world those cinematic classics, "Deep Throat" and "Debbie
Does Dallas". Where would the rest of civilization be without those
contributions to what Thomas Jefferson so eloquently called, "the pursuit of
hapiness"?
Sorry <g> Couldn't help myself!
Rich
Beastie [Bjoernar]
It probably occurs because of polarisation. If there is a large "pole"
(prude) then there is a "negative pole"(non prude) working in
opposition.
Beastie [Bjoernar]
News.Kabelfoon
Now, Alex, that's what i call a smart observations. Excellent!
Alex Lozupone <al...@altavista.net> schreef in berichtnieuws
375C263C...@altavista.net...
Jan Voorbij
email: jvoo...@kabelfoon.nl
homepage: "Cup Of Wonder : The Annotated Jethro Tull Lyrics Page":
http://www.angelfire.com/wy/voorbij/tulltext.html
fang woof
>From: MarybalCan <maryb...@aol.com>
>Subject: Re: Dot Com art
>Date: 7 Jun 1999 01:26:35 GMT
Beastie wrote
The reactions mostly from north americans is typically hypocritical and
bigoted.
reaction be as negative if the artwork >depicted a naked female body?
Hmmmmm?
are small, it is a work of art. But if they are big, and cause any
distraction, then the art becomes porn.
As I recall, didn't David have a pretty small "it" as well? Maybe size
really does matter.
bette b.
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Jckalynn
"the persecution of a penis."
>
LOL!!! Good one, W. Allen!
Alex Lozupone
Oh no!
A beast with genitals! What a horrible horrible thing! Far too grotesque
for display in a store. Infinitely more terrible than anything nature
has come up with.
Please, give me the G-rated qualities of "tongue-nipple teasting",
"kissing willie", and "shedding bell-end tears" any day...
"eewwwww!!! grosss! a penis!!!!"
*disables sarcastic rant mode*
really.. it's not even in a sexual context.. just a naked guy.
I see one every day, you know. I bet half of you do. Knowing this
newsgroup, more than half.
thank god he didn't put Michaelangelo's David on there. or perhaps it's
sitting on the back cover.
-- AlexQ, who perhaps needs to get some more sleep or something
http://www.mp3.com/alexq (mediocre music)
Claire the Bear
I go away from the ng for a few days and chaos breaks out! About 90
messages just on this topic alone... It certainly brought out some
discussion!
-- Claire (trying to stay out of the fray, non-confrontational as she
is...) ;-)
pamela
>-- Claire (trying to stay out of the fray, non-confrontational as she
>is...) ;-)
--
pamela at the office :-(
http://www.geocities.com/soho/cafe/3604/sig.htm
" ... a perfect hole was in her stocking ...
but who's gonna see it anyway. "
Aoxomoxoa
the last few years. :-)
--
Jimi AOXOMOXOA aka
The GRAND COURT JESTER
______________________________
"They should realize before they criticize
That God is the only way to LOVE."
- BLACK SABBATH, "After Forever" 1971
Steve Smith
>
> Aoxomoxoa wrote in message <375A9119...@bellsouth.net>...
> >Looks like much ado about nothing to me!
>
> It's amazing how frightning a naked man(?) can be.
>
OR a ridiculously out-of-place marketing campaign.
S,
Steve Smith
>
> Oh c'mon! It's not like the satyr is channeling John Holmes or anything!
> Frankly, I kind of like it. No pun intended, it's kind of "ballsy" for Ian
> to do this.
Yeah, but talk about misjudging your target audience. Can the man have
missed the mark by much more. Dot Com will be outdated in a couple
years, and this artwork WILL NOT SELL. And, since Ian appears on tons of
radio and tv shows promo-ing his cds, no tv show will show the cd. Major
foo-bar in every aspect.
HOWEVER, I am dying to hear it, as always.
I just feel so badly when my favorite musical guy (okay, co-favorite
musical guy), a guy who wants another hit as badly as Ian, and as badly
as we all want Ian to have another hit, bone-a-fones it so completely
marketing-wise.
Take care,
Steve
Steve Smith
>
> The tee shirt graphic design is not THAT bad.
>
> obscene or something. For them violence is more natural
> than a naked body. For most part we Europeans
> ROFL when we hear about the puritanism in the States.
All I discussed was the marketing aspect of this project. And, that I
personally feel the shirt is a fashion pariah, an already outdated item
of clothing for just about any mature, fashionable individual over the
age of 40...uh, in other words, Ian's audience. Look to see mounds of
them on sale at the 2001 shows for about $5. $2-3 on the 2002 tour.
S,
Steve Smith
>
> Oh my!
>
> I go away from the ng for a few days and chaos breaks out! About 90
> messages just on this topic alone... It certainly brought out some
> discussion!
>
> is...) ;-)
I'd been gone about a month. It's nice being back.
Steve Smith
ED: Peter Pan
KARNAK: ...Peter Pan
ED: Peter Pan...
KARNAK: What you fry your peter in!
S,
CatfishRI wrote:
>
> >
> >Sadly, it appears that Ian has lost many of the old, cronic, give me 12 more
> >versions of SFTW, fans that have continued to shell-out (sell-out) our money
> >and support in spite of the last decade of offerings from JT. But this pagan,
> >flute playing goat with his young Thomas flying about is way beyond me! I
> >only
> >hope that the MUSIC is worthy of inclusion into the Tull mystic and we can
> >all
> >forget about "goat boy".
> >
> >Mr. Stubbs
>
> HELLO ALL
>
> OK! I need a little help. who can cut lose with some info on (goat boy ) " I
> love it "
> I think the goat was called PAN.
> Info please, What does it stand for? What did the goat flute player do?
> Was it good or bad? Lets play with this and see where we end up.
> Things are not always what they look like.
>
> ALL THE BEST SAM IN SAN DIEGO
>
> ô ô
> ż
> O OH NO! MORE TULL
Steve Smith
>
> I am surprised at your opinion concerning this matter knowing how much you love the
> codpieces. :-)
God, I should be flogged for getting a line off regarding this. But,
maybe Ian should have gone all the way and filled the entire cover with
as large a closeup of his codpice as possible - now that would have at
least been absolutely hilarious!
Steve
Steve Smith
>
> Of course it was meant to provoke some one.
>
> I know it is hard for U.S. citizens to hear what the
> rest of the world think about them.
> What I have said does generally cover what the
> world think about U.S.A.
> There is some things we admire about U.S. too
> of course but that is not what we are discussing.
Hey man,
I've shot people for less! (haha!! j/k)
Steve in Ahmurahkah
"Love it or leave it, dude!" (God, I hate that saying)
jlc45
>
> I am surprised at your opinion concerning this matter knowing how much you love the
> codpieces. :-)
> If this IS indeed the album cover or on the CD itself, I'm sure one of us would be
> more than willing to make a CDR copy of it for you so you can share it with your
> daughter.
> As for me, I don't really see any difference in the nudity of this image and the
> nudity of statue of David.
> I was talking to my wife today about the possibility of buying one for my son who
> will be 5 this month.
>
A statue of David? Wait til he's 12 and get him an erection set.
Jim :-)
I doubt they will make these in sizes large enough (4X) for FAT
Americans like
> myself. :-)
> --
> Jimi AOXOMOXOA aka
> The GRAND COURT JESTER
> ______________________________
> "They should realize before they criticize
> That God is the only way to LOVE."
> - BLACK SABBATH, "After Forever" 1971
>
jlc45
>
> >We can all make our own choices (of course), but would you take your
> daughter to see Michelangelo's David if it was displayed locally? Outside
> of the quality of the artwork, what's the difference?
> >
>
> I said I was getting out of this discussion, but I will answer your question.
> Yes, I would show her David, in fact she has seen pictures and copies of the
> statue. She knows what a penis is and she knows that there is no shame in a
>
Penis: A place to hang your codpiece. :-)
jlc45
>
> Well, everyone else has commented so I'll take my turn. I do not find the
> artwork to be offensive. I sort of like it. However, I would not want to
> walk around wearing a shirt with this artwork on it. My 4 year old son
> would not stop laughing long enough to eat his breakfast.
>
> Scott(the north american who would like to see more naked bodies[but not on
> my clothing] and less guns)
MORE GUNS!!!!!
Jim
jlc45
>
> Of course it was meant to provoke some one.
>
> I know it is hard for U.S. citizens to hear what the
> rest of the world think about them.
> What I have said does generally cover what the
> world think about U.S.A.
> There is some things we admire about U.S. too
> of course but that is not what we are discussing.
>
Hey Codpiece breath
There are two kinds of people in the world: U.S. Citizens and those who
would like to be U.S. Citizens.
Sorry about that
Jim :-)
Aoxomoxoa
jlc45 wrote:
> A statue of David? Wait til he's 12 and get him an erection set.
>
> Jim :-)
--
Aoxomoxoa
Group "Penis Envy" :-)
WiseGuy
>
> Rocks stars and their money, man... they'll go to all these
> custom shops, and then claim in interviews they've got the greatest
> guitar ever built! "How did I ever play without it?" they'll say.
> But when you finally see it, it's just a Strat with a custom paint job
> and hot pickups, or something (Mark Knopfler and his Pensa-Suhr
> guitars come to mind).
What's your opinion of Paul Reed Smiths? I imagine they're just wthe
kind of thing you're referring to (as for me, I love their Custom 24,
excepting the price, of course...).
Mebbe I'll go buy myself one of those spiffy PRS Zippo lighters
or sumthin'.
WiseGuy
>
> From an old Johnny Carson Tonight Show:
>
> ED: Peter Pan
>
> KARNAK: ...Peter Pan
>
> ED: Peter Pan...
>
> KARNAK: What you fry your peter in!
--
ED: Peter Sellers...
KARNAK: Peter Sellers
ED: Peter Sellers.
KARNAK: What are male prostitutes called in the UK?
--
ED: Oral Roberts.
KARNAK: ...Oral Roberts
ED: Oral Roberts
KARNAK: What's another name for homosexuals named Bob?
Bernd Owsnicki-Klewe
"W. Allen Montgomery" wrote:
> Bernd Owsnicki-Klewe <owsn...@informatik.fh-hamburg.de> wrote:
> <snip>
> Oh, hey, some clarification - after posting that, I realized
> that it looked like I also got the same guitar as IA. When what I
> meant to say was, I also got a 3/4 scale acoustic, but not the same
> brand as IA's.
>
> You probably know that IA uses a capo quite a bit, putting the
> acoutic guitar parts of most JT material in a higher register. Since
> I really hate using a capo, I had been looking for a shorter scale
> instrument to just tune higher for playing JT songs, but gave up on
> the notion a while back. Then when IA mentioned in the instruments
> page of j-tull.com that he was now using a 3/4 scale guitar for
> touring, well... the fever arose anew!
>
> His is a custom jobbie made by Andrew B. Manson
> <snip>
> W. Allen Montgomery
Went to the site... pretty expensive stuff, yes! I love Washburns, btw... play
one myself. But I still wonder how you could do "Life's a Long Song" w/o a
capo (it's played with capo on the 7th [!] fret)... Need pretty good strings
to tune it up so high <g>...
Seriously! Just getting more acquainted with the thought of owning a smaller
piece of wood that I could take with me on journeys.... just found a Martin
"Backpacker"... really sweet, but the acoustic sound is beyond any
discussion... Before cruising the Washburn site and those local dealers? Can
you tell me the type? Mine is an "EA10"...
Hey, and I guess Manson did this "over-priced Strat copy" for Martin, too!
Cheers
Bernd
Bernd Owsnicki-Klewe
Alex Lozupone wrote:
With all due respect... What are you doing for a living, when you see naked
guys every day? Not that I'm really interested <grin>...
Just curious
Bernd
Jckalynn
Oh my!
>I go away from the ng for a few days and chaos breaks out! About 90
messages just on this topic alone... It certainly brought out some
discussion!
-- Claire (trying to stay out of the fray, non-confrontational as she
is...) ;-)
>
haha smart move, Claire. I got in up to my neck.
Jackalynn
'Coal-black cats in policemen's hats
nosing where the mice have been.'
r...@universerecords.com
leea...@aol.com (LeeAnn5ft) wrote:
> Perhaps some of you ought to come down off the horses high back eh?
Relax a
> bit. Naked women, naked men, naked babies...naked devils.. what the
hell?
> We're born in our Birthday Suits, why be ashamed? I'm excited by this
artwork.
> It's gutsy!
I have to agree. Ian certainly has guts! I just had to comment on
this issue. Art is art. Do we stop appreciating art because a certain
statue shows genitals? Do we stop attending Tull shows because Ian
puts his flute between Mart's legs? Hell no! We're talking about one
of the most creative beings on the planet here, folks. Has Tull ever
held back anything?! Let's enjoy this to the fullest. The artwork is
great, the band is awesome, and this CD is going to kick fuckin'
ass...ooops, sorry if I offended! ;)
The Ray/Universe Guy
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
seal driver
> >Why are people calling a man with a ram's
> >head a satyr? I was under the impression that
> >a satyr's bottom half is a goat and top half is
> >human, with the addition of goat's horns
> >sprouting from the human head.
>
> Yes.....and no.
> The donning of the symbolic goat/ram's head, by the officiating human
> "priest", was intregal in the rituals devoted to the horned god(s).
Okay, that makes sense. Thank you.
So, IA is our officiating priest in a ritual to the horned god(s), the
internet. I can see how one might associate advanced technology, with the
web being one instance, with the horned diety -- especially if one blends
in some interpretations from the Apocalypse. You choose your myth and you
takes your chances.
pamela
>
>Hey Codpiece breath
>
>Jim :-)
ROTFLMAO !!!!!!!!!!!!
pamela
Jckalynn
Penis: A place to hang your codpiece. :-)
>
hahahha
Love this one.
Thanks, Jim:)
Louise
Todd Lowenstein
>Of course it was meant to provoke some one.
>
>I know it is hard for U.S. citizens to hear what the
>rest of the world think about them.
>What I have said does generally cover what the
>world think about U.S.A.
>There is some things we admire about U.S. too
>of course but that is not what we are discussing.
Glad to see you deliberately pushed buttons. But I still think it was
obnoxious of you to take such a position. Typically hypocritical and
bigoted, wouldn't you say?
Todd
Klaus Franzmann
>Of course I am a better person than you, I am an european...
>And very cultural. :)
You're not an European you're Norwegian ;-)
Klaus