Shona On The Back of Warchild?
clair...@webtv.net
Someone recently posted that Shona Anderson might indeed be on the back
cover of Warchild. He stated, and I agree, that If it were to be anyone,
she would be the Sealdriver. One of the harlots looks a little like her
but I don't think IA would want his new sweetie at the time portraying
that role. So, Tull triviaheads, is that her?
Also, on that same cover, I have always *guessed* that Barrie Barlow is
the chap in the chair with the mysterious white contraption in his hand.
Is that him? What is that device? Is that Jeffrey Hammond-Hammond on his
knees before the queen? Thanks.
Jim
coro...@pop.flash.net
In article <68s4a1$23d$1...@newsd-143.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,
clair...@webtv.net says...
Vaughan
clair...@webtv.net
What is that white devive in Barrie's hand? Actually, it somewhat
resembles a computer trackball!
Jim
>*
In <68u2h8$45g$1...@newsd-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net> clair...@webtv.net
writes:
>What is that white devive in Barrie's hand? Actually, it somewhat
>resembles a computer trackball!
>
>Jim
Although I never owned one, it looks like a Solitaire game. That was a
game that was available in the U.S. in the 70s, and was made, I think,
by Milton-Bradley Corp. It would seem to have been placed there in
apparent reference to the song.
cru...@ix.netcom.com
The device appears to me to be a Solitaire game, put out by
Milton-Bradley Corp.(I think) in the 1970s.
Edward Antoniu
Dunno. I know only of Rosa on the factory floor.
Eddie
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JTullFan68
Ok........so we think Shona is the sealdriver, Barrie is the guy with the
solitaire game, J H-H is the one kneeling before the queen, and Ian is
obviously in the back. It looks to me like the guy with the polk-a-dot tie in
the back with the white jacket is John Evans....yes? no? If so......then the
only one missing is Martin..........where is he?
Dan
Jckalynn
>Ok........so we think Shona is the sealdriver,>>>
>
OK, it looks a little like her, but Shona is much prettier.
> Barrie is the guy with the
>solitaire game, J H-H is the one kneeling before the queen, and Ian is
>obviously in the back. It looks to me like the guy with the polk-a-dot tie
>in
>the back with the white jacket is John Evans....yes? no? If so......then the
>only one missing is Martin..........where is he?
>
He's the one who is 'skating away...on the thin ice of a new day........'
I've always loved this album...it just missed my top 5 list!
:)
Jackalynn
Jckalynn
'Over the mountains and under the sky riding dirty grey horses go you and I...'
Not a bad album in my book, hmm?
Take Care,
Jackalynn
FloatMind
JTullFan68 skrev i meddelandet
<19980107015...@ladder02.news.aol.com>...
>Ok........so we think Shona is the sealdriver, Barrie is the guy with the
>solitaire game, J H-H is the one kneeling before the queen, and Ian is
>obviously in the back. It looks to me like the guy with the polk-a-dot tie
in
>the back with the white jacket is John Evans....yes? no? If so......then
the
>only one missing is Martin..........where is he?
>
>Dan
Skating away on the thin ice of a new day. Smiling.
FloatMind
clair...@webtv.net
Let's not forget about David Palmer who is pictured in a robe and wig,
holding what appears to be a track baton. What is that object anyway?
Jim
W. Allen Montgomery
clair...@webtv.net wrote:
>Let's not forget about David Palmer who is pictured in a robe and wig,
>holding what appears to be a track baton. What is that object anyway?
A telescope.
Now, who are the rest:
- The guy in the George of the Jungle get-up
- The four Ladies of Leisure
- The three rugby players
- The one Back-Door Angel
- The dead soldier
- The Queen
- The War Child herself
--
Later,
W. Allen Montgomery
"And when the Old Man with the telescope cuts the final strand,
It'd probably be pretty cool if you weren't on the toilet, like Elvis."
-- Alfred E. Anderson
Laurenz Brein
clair...@webtv.net wrote:
: What is that white devive in Barrie's hand? Actually, it somewhat
: resembles a computer trackball!
Here's a brief summary of what the 'Solitaire' game is like (the 'trackball'
is a Solitaire).
It may not be of interest to anybody, but then, it also might :^)
Solitaire is a game for one player (duh!) that consists of pegs (or balls)
in holes which are arranged in the following fashion:
0 0 0
0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0
0 0 0
There is a peg in every hole except in the central one.
A move is carried out by taking a peg and jumping over a neighbouring peg into
the hole that must be beyond that peg. The peg that you jumped over is then
removed. Diagonal jumps are not allowed.
The aim is to remove all pegs except one that must remain in the central hole.
It's a nice game and allows some variants. I've also seen some
interesting game theoretical results concerning Solitaire.
Yours sincerely, adding to the amount of useless information on the net,
Laurenz Brein
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LeeAnn5ft
<<Now, who are the rest:
> - The guy in the George of the Jungle get-up
Don't know.
> - The four Ladies of Leisure
Don't know, but the one all the way to the right... does resemble Shona a
bit... I think more so than the Seal Driver... but that looks like her too....
> - The three rugby players
Don't know... but they look familiar
> - The one Back-Door Angel
Hmmmm wonder if it's anyones wife?
> - The dead soldier
Don't know, unfortunately my album is gone by the wayside, and all I have left,
is this little cd.. with little pictures.. Have I mentioned I don't always like
little? And the soldier's face and head, well upper torso, is completely cut
off... Now's who's design is that?
- The Queen
Hmmmm. wonder if it's Ian's brother?.... ;-[)
- The War Child herself
Hmmmm wonder if it's one of Barrie's little girls?
--
Later,
>W. Allen Montgomery>>
Now how about the Seal? Who's the Seal?..... It wouldn't be Cecil would it?
Later,
LeeAnn ...... oh ......
> "And when the Old Man with the telescope cuts the final strand,
> It'd probably be pretty cool if you weren't on the toilet, like Elvis."
> -- Alfred E. Anderson
Ok W.A., who's Alfred E. Anderson?
And which Elvis is he speaking of.. the King.. or the Turtle?
Alex Brands
On 7 Jan 1998, Jckalynn wrote:
> >the back with the white jacket is John Evans....yes? no? If so......then the
> >only one missing is Martin..........where is he?
>
> He's the one who is 'skating away...on the thin ice of a new day........'
> I've always loved this album...it just missed my top 5 list!
If I remember correctly, isn't the back picture somewhat chopped on the CD
version? I remember that Martin "Skating Away" is mostly cut out
Alex
W. Allen Montgomery
LeeAnn5ft wrote:
>W. Allen Montgomery wrote:
>> - The dead soldier
>
>Don't know, unfortunately my album is gone by the wayside, and all I have left,
>is this little cd.. with little pictures.. Have I mentioned I don't always like
>little?
Do tell...!
>And the soldier's face and head, well upper torso, is completely cut off...
>Now's whose design is that?
It's that way on the LP, too. But Martin's face isn't cropped out on
the bigger vinyl packaging, 'though.
> - The Queen
>
>Hmmmm. wonder if it's Ian's brother?.... ;-[)
?!?!?!
>Now how about the Seal? Who's the Seal?..... It wouldn't be Cecil would it?
I didn't want to bring up the seal. As I understand it, he was
under-age and working without a permit.
>> "And when the Old Man with the telescope cuts the final strand,
>> It'd probably be pretty cool if you weren't on the toilet, like Elvis."
>> -- Alfred E. Anderson
>Ok W.A., who's Alfred E. Anderson?
Hey, don't get "MAD" at me if you don't know who Alfred E. Anderson
is.
>And which Elvis is he speaking of.. the King.. or the Turtle?
Well, a turtle would fall in, wouldn't it?
--
Later,
W. Allen Montgomery
"What? Me worry? Just stop all that hurry and be happy my way."
-- Alfred E. Anderson
JTullFan68
That explains it..........all i have is the CD and martin is nowhere to be
found
Dan
Jckalynn
Alex wrote: >> If I remember correctly, isn't the back picture somewhat chopped
on the CD
version? I remember that Martin "Skating Away" is mostly cut out
>>
Yes, it is. I still have my old vinyl that I was looking at, and it is
slightly cut there, as well.
Jackalynn
jlc
W. Allen Montgomery wrote:
> - The guy in the George of the Jungle get-up
And speaking of George of the Jungle, you know, we really have to do
something about all this violence in the movies. I mean, just a few
weeks after the George of the Jungle movie comes out we lose a another
Kennedy (no biggie) and Sonny Bono!!!
George, George, George of the Jungle
Watch out for that tree ...
Jim
the muse
Ha ... never though of that. And here I really liked that movie!
the muse http://www.geocities.com/soho/cafe/3604/
Lenester Taxidean
On Wed, 7 Jan 1998 14:35:04, leea...@aol.com (LeeAnn5ft) wrote:
> Later,
> LeeAnn ...... oh ......
> > "And when the Old Man with the telescope cuts the final strand,
> > It'd probably be pretty cool if you weren't on the toilet, like Elvis."
> > -- Alfred E. Anderson
>
> Ok W.A., who's Alfred E. Anderson?
> And which Elvis is he speaking of.. the King.. or the Turtle?
Alfred E. Anderson = Alfred E. Neuman + Ian Anderson / 0^10, I'd expect.
And Elvis Presley, I'd also expect.
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black are the nights on summerday sands.
We'll find the speck of truth in each riddle
hold the first grain of love in our hands.
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Jckalynn
>>>George, George, George of the Jungle
Watch out for that tree ...
Jim
>>
Ahhhhh Geez!!
Another sick humor lover,
Me
Jckalynn
>>Alfred E. Anderson = Alfred E. Neuman + Ian Anderson / 0^10, I'd expect.
And Elvis Presley, I'd also expect.
>>
Now, you do know that Martin Barre had a turtle named Elvis???
Jackalynn
Nemrac47
I have both the album and CD and Martin is cut off (slightly on the album and
very severely on the CD)--I always thought that that was how it was supposed to
be--I mean wasn't he skating AWAY? 8^)
C. Nemrac
LeeAnn5ft
<<And Elvis Presley, I'd also expect.>>
>> Now, you do know that Martin Barre had a turtle named Elvis???
Jackalynn>>
THANK YOU Louise!....
Sometimes you've just got to spell it out for people.
I was in fact referring to Martin's pet turtle who is, sadly, six feet under
now.... and Martin, (from what he said at the convention..)
is still upset about it.
And as to my reference to the Queen being Ian Anderson's brother.... well...
hehehe..... I'm sure I'm not the only one who knows about Ian's brothers
sexual preferences, am I? I suppose it was a bit below the belt of me... but I
just couldn't resist.... I have this weird cruel side to my humor sometimes....
please forgive. Madness comes over me.... I react... and then I usually regret
it.
LeeAnn
Jckalynn
>And as to my reference to the Queen being Ian Anderson's brother.... well...
hehehe..... I'm sure I'm not the only one who knows about Ian's brothers
sexual preferences, am I?>>
Well now, that's news to me. Where'd you hear this, Lee?
Jackalynn
John Travis Beavers
On 8 Jan 1998, Lenester Taxidean wrote:
>
> Alfred E. Anderson = Alfred E. Neuman + Ian Anderson / 0^10, I'd expect.
>
Ignore if you hate math...
That quantity is actually undefined, 0^10 = 0 , and you can't divide by
zero. However, if we let the quantity 0^10 be a variable, called Elvis
Presley, then the equation becomes
Alfred E. Anderson = Alfred E. Neuman + Ian Anderson / Elvis Presley
By taking the limit of both sides as Elvis Presley approaches zero, we
find the quantity on the left is unaffected and the quantity on the right
approaches infinity (this is the closest we'll ever get to dividing by
zero).
And so we obtain the very simple result:
Alred E. Anderson grows to infinity as Elvis Presley whithers to nothing.
John Travis Beavers
(Department of Computer Sciences/Department of Mathematics
University of Texas at Austin)
-"Feel fit beatnik man out to make it rich..."
Mike Harding
This is getting tacky !!
Lenester Taxidean
On Thu, 8 Jan 1998 15:56:18, John Travis Beavers <jbea...@cs.utexas.edu>
wrote:
> On 8 Jan 1998, Lenester Taxidean wrote:
> >
> > Alfred E. Anderson = Alfred E. Neuman + Ian Anderson / 0^10, I'd expect.
> >
> > And Elvis Presley, I'd also expect.
>
> Ignore if you hate math...
<snip>
Isn't it just too damn real?
LeeAnn5ft
<<This is getting tacky !!>>
clair...@webtv.net
I think Alfred E. Anderson is a funny fellow. It looks like W. Allen has
found a creative outlet in the guy, much like Ian Anderson did with
Gerald Bostock.
Jim
Jaknthegrn
Just returned from garage with vinyl copy of WarChild......great great album
by the way. Had to check something before posting. I'm suprised that nobody
mentioned - what one of the rugby players has in his hand! The one with
headband always struck me as a Rod Stewart lookalike and if ya look real close
he's reaching back and grabbing the crotch of the guy behind him! I had to
check to make sure first, but I thought that was the case, and it's there.
I've always thought that this was the best Tull album cover. Glad that it's
getting some discussion!
Jaknthegrn
tfh...@bellatlantic.net
LeeAnn5ft wrote:
>
> <<Now, who are the rest:
>
>
It's my understanding that it's Terry Ellis of Chrysalis. In the story
I heard, he thought it was cool that he was in it dressed like Tarzan,
but was considerably less thrilled when he realized that he was the
"Bungle in the Jungle"
FloatMind
JTullFan68 wrote in message
<19980107203...@ladder01.news.aol.com>...
>That explains it..........all i have is the CD and martin is nowhere to be
>found
>
>Dan
Well, don't look on the CD. Try the cover. :-)
Seriously, isn't it Martin in the front, botton-right skating?
If Shona is the seal-driver...hm. Sensual face. I'd like very
much to be the seal. I'll bounce balls and eat fish every day (!).
Instead I'm just a bony horse named George. Imaculate
virgins please mail me.
FloatMind
Ouch! Sorry for that fish-thing. Couldn't resist.
Jckalynn
>>If Shona is the seal-driver...hm. Sensual face. I'd like very
much to be the seal. I'll bounce balls and eat fish every day (!).
Instead I'm just a bony horse named George. Imaculate
virgins please mail me.>>
Ok, OK...I get the picture!! haha
There's a line in the piece Sealion...
'where the long legged ring-mistress starts and stops'
must be referring to the woman on the cover~Shona?
Jackalynn
Biffyshrew
Laurenz Brein wrote:
>Solitaire is a game for one player (duh!) that consists of pegs (or balls)
>in holes which are arranged in the following fashion:
The version of this game that I recall from the '60s was called Hi-Q.
It was played with red plastic pegs in that same cross-shaped matrix.
When _WarChild_ came out, I thus did not immediately associate the
toy in Barrie's hands with "Only Solitaire," but with the previous LP's
"Actor of the low-high Q"...
Were "Solitaire" and "Hi-Q" British and American names, respectively,
for the same game?
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Laurenz Brein
Biffyshrew (biffy...@aol.com) wrote:
: Were "Solitaire" and "Hi-Q" British and American names, respectively,
: for the same game?
I don't know for sure if "Solitaire" is the British term for the game; I am
of German tongue and it is "Solitaire" in German.
Since this is a French word and the cover of War Child affirmed me in this
matter, I had no doubts that it was also the British name.
I have never heard of Hi-Q, but that doesn't mean much.
I will try to find more information.
Yours,
Laurenz Brein
Simon Slavin
In article <19980112160...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
biffy...@aol.com (Biffyshrew) wrote:
> Were "Solitaire" and "Hi-Q" British and American names, respectively,
> for the same game?
_Solitaire_ to a Brit means one of the following:
1) Any game intended to be played by one person.
2) A specific 'patience' card game (the one that comes with Windows).
3) A specific game with 44 pegs and 45 holes (as described previously).
4) Any item of jewellery featuring exactly one gemstone.
5) The gemstone of a solitaire (sense 4).
There may be other definitions ... I don't have a dictionary handy.
My take on the song is that Ian was using sense 1. The song repeats
lots of unkind things rumoured about Tull and Ian's stage antics --
portraying Ian as some sort of inept jester forlornly trying to
entertain the audience and the press. Then you hear Ian say "But
you're wrong, Steve: it's only solitaire.". He's saying that he
does what he does to entertain /himself/ and doesn't really care
about what other people think.
Simon.
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Keith Lowe
Tuned in late to this thread and I'm still wondering which lady most people think is Shona. Maybe some kind person could post a complete list of the characters and who they think they are. The band members are easy to pick but not the others.
Thanks in anticipation.
Keith.
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RAWalker
>From: sla...@hearsay.demon.nojunk.co.uk (Simon Slavin)
>Date: Wed, Jan 14, 1998 17:17 EST
>Message-id: <B0E2EA0B9...@hearsay.demon.co.uk>
>
>In article <19980112160...@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
>biffy...@aol.com (Biffyshrew) wrote:
>
>> Were "Solitaire" and "Hi-Q" British and American names, respectively,
>> for the same game?
>
>_Solitaire_ to a Brit means one of the following:
>
>1) Any game intended to be played by one person.
>2) A specific 'patience' card game (the one that comes with Windows).
>3) A specific game with 44 pegs and 45 holes (as described previously).
>4) Any item of jewellery featuring exactly one gemstone.
>5) The gemstone of a solitaire (sense 4).
>
>There may be other definitions ... I don't have a dictionary handy.
>
>My take on the song is that Ian was using sense 1. The song repeats
>lots of unkind things rumoured about Tull and Ian's stage antics --
>portraying Ian as some sort of inept jester forlornly trying to
>entertain the audience and the press. Then you hear Ian say "But
>you're wrong, Steve: it's only solitaire.". He's saying that he
>does what he does to entertain /himself/ and doesn't really care
>about what other people think.
>
>Simon.
>--
Let me say that, as an American, I have never heard of "Hi-Q", and that,
further, I use the word "solitaire" in all the senses you note above.
Personally, I doubt that Anderson was thinking of anything from Milton-Bradley
when he wrote the song.
Rob Walker
Waterloo, New York
LeeAnn5ft
Keith Lowe wrote:
<<Tuned in late to this thread and I'm still wondering which lady most people
think is Shona. Maybe some kind person could post a complete list of the
characters and who they think they are. The band members are easy to pick but
not the others.
Thanks in anticipation.
>>
"Oh now don't start that again".......
My lips are sealed... I have no idea WHO THE QUEEN IS!!!!
LeeAnn
Jckalynn
> The song repeats
lots of unkind things rumoured about Tull and Ian's stage antics --
portraying Ian as some sort of inept jester forlornly trying to
entertain the audience and the press. Then you hear Ian say "But
you're wrong, Steve: it's only solitaire.". He's saying that he
does what he does to entertain /himself/ and doesn't really care
about what other people think.
>
That makes perfect sense to me, Simon!!
Now, what is being said after Ladies? Does anyone know?
Jackalynn
Jckalynn
Keith wrote:>Tuned in late to this thread and I'm still wondering which lady
most people think is Shona. >
Conscensus says... it's the ring-mistress with the top hat...Sea Lion.
It looks a bit like her, but I'm not sure.
Jackalynn
Dway2spike
>
>Let me say that, as an American, I have never heard of "Hi-Q", and that,
>further, I use the word "solitaire" in all the senses you note
I had the game "Hi-Q" as a kid.......living in Iowa.....just thought I'd let
you know.
Gary
ICLucifer
Sea Lion
LeeAnn5ft
Subject: Re: Shona On The Back of Warchild?
From: iclu...@aol.com (ICLucifer)
He that sees Lucifer wrote:
<<Sea Lion>>
Shona is the Sea Lion?????
Boy, she HAS gotten much better looking with age....