Barriemore Barlow's drumming
Rick Harris
bass drum technique there's ever been, but have a close listen to the
drum fill Barriemore Barlow plays in "Heavy Horses" at 5.35 on the
counter. Do we have a new champion ?
Cheers,
Rick.
Steven Sullivan
: I know that John Bonham is usually thought of as having had the best
: bass drum technique there's ever been
nonsense. Loudest, maybe.
, but have a close listen to the
: drum fill Barriemore Barlow plays in "Heavy Horses" at 5.35 on the
: counter. Do we have a new champion ?
not on this evidence.
Ross
>Rick Harris (ri...@southern.co.nz) wrote:
>: I know that John Bonham is usually thought of as having had the best
>: bass drum technique there's ever been
>
>nonsense. Loudest, maybe.
>
right foot of a Jack Rabbit" and that has nothing to do with volume.
What you and most critics miss out on his his more subtle moments such as
"Tea for One" and several tracks on In Through The Out Door. When he
wanted to play loud it was also the product of technique, knowing how to
tune his drums properly and ambient miking (Whwn the Levee Breaks)rather
than thumping away at his kit, not the arms reaching back above shoulder
height approach that so many drummers adhere to.
Ross
paul newport
>> Barlow is all right, but guys, his predecessor, Clive Bunker, is one
>> of the best drummers I've ever heard in my life, tops Barlow by far.
>But don't you find the drumming on Aqualung sort of insipid? Compare it,
>for example, to Barlow's solo on Bursting Out and his work on Minstrel in
>the Gallery, and there seems to be no contest.
I prefer Barrie, but give Clive his dues. Listen to the drumming on Thick
as a Brick for instance - it's incredible. Barrie's stuff also is helped by
the better quaility of recording as technology improved.
Paul Newport
On the information super B road
W S Gumby
(paul newport) writes:
>
>mm...@aol.com (Mmeer) wrote:
>
>>>I prefer Barrie, but give Clive his dues. Listen to the drumming on
Thick
>>>as a Brick for instance - it's incredible.
>
>>Actually, Barrie played on Thick as a Brick.
>
>I'm pretty sure he didn't. I seem to remember that A Passion Play was
>Barrie's first Tull LP. Can anyone else confirm this ?
>
>
If you have a copy of the "Thick as a Brick" LP, turn to page 7 and read
the review. See where it says "and new drummer Barriemore Barlow added
timpani and percussion parts"?
I'm pretty sure he did.
Kjetil Maribo
>>I prefer Barrie, but give Clive his dues. Listen to the drumming on Thick
>>as a Brick for instance - it's incredible.
Read the sleeve notes, mate.
Kjetil Maribo.
Jay
(paul newport) wrote:
> Christopher Norman <cano...@unixg.ubc.ca> wrote:
> >Nope. Barlow is definitely on Thick As A Brick.
> Well that scotches my listen to Clive's drumming on Thick as a Brick
> comment !
Well, don't forget "Dharma For One!" Pretty terrifying drumming there, on
at least one of the versions.
paul newport
I had a cheap copy of the LP. I single sleeve jobby with no newspaper and
neither front nor back made any mention of the line up on it. There was a
picture of Tull, which I always thought had CLive Bunker in it. Seems I was
wrong.
Mate.
Kjetil Maribo
>> > >A related subject: IMHO Tull hasn't had a bass player before or since
>> > >Jeffrey Hammond-Hammond.
Quite. Barlow and Hammond formed the best rythm section the band has ever
had. It simply suited Tulls sound and general concept at the time so well.
Kjetil Maribo.
Elliot Jackson
(Kjetil Maribo) wrote:
I dunno 'bout that...speakin' as a bass player and Tull freak I personally
think Glascock was the best bass player those guys ever had, and his
playing on "Heavy Horses" was the best bass sound those guys ever had.
What a damn waste he had to die so young...makes me sick to think of it.
--
Elliot Jackson
Northwestern University
ejac...@nwu.edu
Jeff Carr
sull...@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu (Steven Sullivan) wrote:
> : > > > Yeah write. Glenn was just awful, especially in Bouree. And John's playing
> : > > > on Heavy Horses was just abysmal.
> it was sarcasm anyway.
I'm glad to hear it. I feel a little foolish now for not recognising it as such.
Jeff.
--
Jeff Carr. ( je...@cresco.demon.co.uk )
Oldbury, West Midlands ( Using an Acorn Risc PC )
paul newport
>I have been lurking in this group for a short while, so do not have some of
>the original articles which are quoted above. Because of the careless quoting
>it is impossible to work out who said "...Glenn was just awful".
It was me, and I was being sarcastic, as someone else had said that Jeffrey
Hamond Hammond was the best bass player in Tull, and that other Tull bass
players were poor. For the record, I think Glenn was an excellent player,
and Jeffrey a very average one.
>Barriemore is without question a brilliant drummer, but Clive Bunker too
>was a very fine drummer.
Agreed.
paul newport
>I dunno 'bout that...speakin' as a bass player and Tull freak I personally
>think Glascock was the best bass player those guys ever had, and his
>playing on "Heavy Horses" was the best bass sound those guys ever had.
>What a damn waste he had to die so young...makes me sick to think of it.
I entirely agree. The bass lines in Heavy Horses are just so fluid, and
John could obviously also hack it live, as demonstrated by Bursting Out. It
is sickening to think about such a cut short career of such a great player.
D. A. Scocca
Jeff Carr <je...@cresco.demon.co.uk> wrote:
[many attributions snipped]
\ > > > >A related subject: IMHO Tull hasn't had a bass player before or since
\ > > > >Jeffrey Hammond-Hammond.
\ > > > Yeah write. Glenn was just awful, especially in Bouree. And John's
\ > > > playing on Heavy Horses was just abysmal.
\ I have been lurking in this group for a short while, so do not have some of
\ the original articles which are quoted above. Because of the careless quoting
\ it is impossible to work out who said "...Glenn was just awful".
\ I thought Glenn was excellent,*particularly* in Bouree. What exactly did the
\ original writer find so awful, was it the style of playing or the technique?
It may not be possible to work out the attribution, but it seems
obvious to me that the quote about Glenn and John is meant to be
sarcastic--note that it begins with a (misspelled) "Yeah, right."
D.
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Steve Bailey
je...@cresco.demon.co.uk (Jeff Carr) writes:
> > : > > > Yeah write. Glenn was just awful, especially in Bouree. And
> > : > > > on Heavy Horses was just abysmal.
>
>
> I'm glad to hear it. I feel a little foolish now for not recognising
it as such.
>
FYI sarcasm is much harder to convey in typed text, it is usually a
tonal and postural thing in face to face contact.
Please be careful what you write, it is easy to be mis-understood.
(Unless of course you are after a flame war...)
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Sure, Clive was great and Doane Perry seems pretty good in RTB, but Tull's
golden age consisted of Anderson, Barlow, Barre, Hammond, and Evans. Just
think of all the great albums that these Barlow was in: A Passion Play,
Heavy Horses, Stormwatch, Warchild, Minstrel in the Gallery, and others.
Sure, I give Perry and Clive their due, especially Clive, because This Was
is one of the most Underrated Albums that Tull has produced. Also Clive
gets credit for Stand Up. Personally, I think that their all great and I
don't know why everyone is arguing about them.
Mr K DASGUPTA
: In article: <19960204....@cresco.demon.co.uk>
Woaaah..... are you **the** Steve Bailey ???
paul newport
>Please be careful what you write, it is easy to be mis-understood.
>(Unless of course you are after a flame war...)
But we're far too mature for that sort of thing in this newsgroup !
Talyesyn
to quote with attributes... <sigh>. How does one do it?
I've always felt that the players that have been in Tull have *all*
been outstanding (except that I do agree Geoffrey is the weak link... I
think Ian wanted his friend involved and sat on him until he learned to
play well enough to do so...). Barrie gets *my* vote for "favourite"
drummer, but that's rather subjective... I just personally like his style
better. This is not to denigrate Clive in any way, though. Clive, I think,
has a more "jazz" style, and he's bloody good at it. Both did excellent
work which fit the material and added to it.
The same applies to Glenn Cornick... I mean to say, how many Rock
bassists were doing "walking" bass lines in those days? Cool! I was a
bassist back in those days in the dim and misty, and discovering Tull was
a revelation in many ways. (I used the Bouree bass solo as a warm-up piece
for years and years.)
John Glascock had a wonderful style... fluid, yes, as was said before,
and very punchy. Near as I can tell from video footage, it looks like he
used a pick, and I think he was one of the first rock bassists to do so.
It gives a much cleaner sound, more punch, cuts through the mix better...
much more authoritative... like bass lines with attitude. (Another Tull
bassist that had a profound impact on me, both for playing style and
because I have the same heart condition that he did, and that was the
first I'd ever heard about the possible complications which led to his
death. What a waste.)
Generally, I feel that Tull's music keeps evolving, and that each
player is such an integral part of the evolution that questions of who is
"better" are almost immaterial. I have enjoyed every lineup (except I
personally feel that Jobson should have stayed exclusively on keyboards).
Emrys Atkinson
An Englishman lost and wandering...