Ian Anderson & Dave Pegg
Martin Nike
C.D.Barran (c.d.b...@sheffield.ac.uk) wrote:
: Can any of you Tull experts help me out :-
: Yesterday on the Fairport Convention mailing list a contributor reffered
: to falling out (disagreement) between Ian Anderson and Dave Pegg.
: Now this was news to me and just about everyone else on the mailing list
: and the original poster has not replied to explain his statement.
: Does anybody know anything about this ? I understood that Dave left
: Jethro Tull as touring with both Tull and Fairport was too demanding for
: and old timer.
Yes. At this year's Fairport Convention concert in Chesterfield, I met
Pegg afterwards in the pub and asked him about this. They didn't fall
about, but I think he'd had enough of the touring and workload.
--
Martin Nike
Correct Systems Research Group,
Dept. Of Computer Science, University Of Sheffield, England
"I drove my tractor through your haystack last night" -- Wurzels
Biffyshrew
sem...@aol.com (Semtpb) wrote:
>In any event, the combination of Ian and Gerd (Ian's personal Nazi) was
>really getting to Dave as far back as 1989.
This is the one part of the post that really rings false to me. Gerd
Burkhardt always seemed to me to be a very nice guy. If he did his job
like a "Nazi," then for one thing, I'd never have gotten to hang out
backstage at Tull concerts when I didn't really have any business there.
Besides which, if Gerd happened to be an Englishman or American, would you
still have come up with that same epithet?
Your pal,
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ado...@cuntliquers.com
Semtpb wrote:
>
> >Yesterday on the Fairport Convention mailing list a contributor reffered
> >to falling out (disagreement) between Ian Anderson and Dave Pegg.
> >Now this was news to me and just about everyone else on the mailing list
> >and the original poster has not replied to explain his statement.
>
> very much, but know he is extremely difficult to work for and make no
> mistake about it Dave Pegg worked for Ian. I also realize that there are a
> lot of people who idolize Ian, but do not know him or only know him
> superficially. Consequently, there will be those who are upset because
> what I have to say is not 100% positive and they truly feel that Ian can
> do no wrong (unfortunately it is a syndrome not unlike the one afflicting
> the moral majority). I, like many others, prefer gods that are not always
> completely moral. Perhaps I will be branded the Sam Donaldson of the Tull
> newsgroup. In any event, ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, sit back,
> relax and get ready for another evenings light entertainment reading about
> Tull:
>
> I think that Dave does not hate Ian, but I know that the dictatorial
> manner in which Ian runs Tull took its toll on Dave, especially during
> the later tours. I think Ian can make one feel very unappreciated. I
> remember Martin being upset with Ian on a tour I think in 1989 when Martin
> had his kids with him and Ian pretty much ignored them despite the fact
> that Ian is the godfather to one of Martin's children.
>
> In any event, the combination of Ian and Gerd (Ian's personal Nazi) was
> had told me that Dave was going to tell Ian that he was not going to tour
> with Tull if Gerd continued on as the tour manager. However, he ended up
> doing it for at least one and maybe two more tours. Thank God that Gerd it
> gone now.
>
> It was difficult even during the recording process (I realize that Dave's
> studio was used for some of Tull's recording). Ian keeps all the members
> in the dark and it bother them to the extent that they really do not have
> a good idea of what the final versions of the songs are going to be. I
> think this bothers them, but it is the way that Ian insists on doing it. I
> know that Dave had mentioned it; however, how much this factored into his
> ultimate decision to leave I do not know. To illustrate this point, there
> is at least one published interview with Barrimore Barlow where he
> discusses this situation and stated that he never knew where the vocals
> and the song itself were going to end up and inevitably he would be
> playing very busy drum parts over vocals when the songs was completed in
> its final form. He had no idea what Ian was going to do with the songs.
> This really bothered Barry and he said had I known how the song was going
> to develop I would have played completely different drum parts. Dave had
> also mentioned that when they would hear the final version of songs that
> they did not sound at all like they thought they would.
>
> Notwithstanding this fact, I personally find Barry's drum parts to be so
> unique and interesting that I would not have wanted him to change it. He
> apparently manages some bands or at least he did at the time ( I think he
> may even have managed "It Bites," who toured with Tull (they were also
> friends of Dave's son Matthew) and he said that he was constantly trying
> to get the drummers he was working with to stop emulating his playing
> style in that regard.
>
> One final note, which I remembered in connection with it bites. Dave in a
> candid moment stated that he felt that Ian, for some reason, was going
> through some sort of mid life crisis, and apparently to combat feeling old
> or unconnected with what was happening musically, was going out of his way
> to associate or hang out with younger bands, which I believe is what
> culminated in his interest in "It Bites" and resulted in the band touring
> with Tull. In other words what Dave meant is that is became really
> important to Ian to try to impress these younger musicians and that he
> would go out of his way to do it. The impression I got was that Dave
> thought it was starting to become embarrassing.
>
> Most people that read this will probably not believe that Ian acts in this
> manner. Had I not had the opportunity to observe Ian personally I may be
> not be inclined to believe it either, because it seems to be so
> uncharacteristic of him. Unfortunately, I have seen this in the case of
> women, where his behavior is bizarre in that he almost conveys a
> desperation sometimes to get the attention of young women in ways he would
> never have done in earlier years. It really is depressing in some ways,
> but I guess if were in his situation I may act the same way. In the "old"
> days Ian would not go out of his way to attract attention like that. He
> was always so confident and self assured and for the most part he still
> is, but with regard to these areas he seems to have lost a little
> something.
>
> Again, I do not want to be perceived as a person who does not like Ian,
> because I really like him a lot. In fact, he is one of my favorite people;
> however, he can really be a pain in the ass to be around. Unfortunately,
> over the course of a number of years it can take its toll. I first saw
> Tull in 1971 In L.A. and met Ian for the first time in 1975 and have seen
> him regularly on tours since then. He is one of the smartest people I
> know.
>
> The one thing I regret not ever having had the opportunity to witness is
> an encounter between Ian and Robert Plant, who is probably more
> egotistical and arrogant than Ian. I know Ian cannot stand him dating
> back to when they first toured together, but knowing both of them, I
> cannot imaging what it must have been like when they were around each
> other. Something "very big" must have happened and I would have liked to
> have witnessed it.
>
> If anyone knows anything about that I would love to hear about it. Ian
> always was taking shots at Plant in the press and even in the interview on
> the Aqualung CD (25th ann). However, I have never read or hear Plant say
> anything about Ian. The only thing I heard Plant say was about Martin and
> that was that Martin was an alright guy. Martin in commenting on Ian's
> total disdain for Plant told me in 1982 that he liked Plant and that he
> had seen him recently when they did the Prince's Trust. On the subject of
> Ian's feeling for Plant, Martin smiled and said, "I prefer to consider
> myself to be a separate entity." I thought that was pretty funny.
> Although Martin did say something about not liking the way that Page had
> spent a fortune building a recording studio in his house and then only
> using it once or twice. That was pretty close to what he said and I found
> that very interesting coming from Martin who is usually fairly diplomatic,
> especially compared to Ian.
>
> Hope this helps - guess I got off the subject a little, sorry.
>
> Sem
It's amazing how people in LA know it all. You visit with these guys
once in a while and they spill their guts? A lot of this information
does not even appear in A New Day. One would think that David Rees is
closer to the band than some California sycophant.
Oh yeah, Ian's personal Nazi? Wirklich?
Alexander Lozupone
Excerpts from netnews.alt.music.jethro-tull: 21-Jul-97 Re: Ian Anderson
& Dave Pegg by Sem...@aol.com
> did you see him near Ian. I have commented on this previously, and unless
> someone asks me for more detail I will only say that after Ian joined up
> with the original line up of Tull after the John Evans Band, Ian, in a
> very calculated manner, got rid of all the other members of Tull and after
> Martin joined and Ian solidified his control of the group, he, one by one,
> brought Evans, Jeffrey and Barlow back into the group. There are those in
VERY interesting... I always thought it was a coincidence.. one I joked
around about a few times... with the exception of Clive Bunker I'd
believe it... Mick left on 'creative difference' I recall, while Glen
left on something like lifestyle differences..? but my understanding was
that Clive left to get married... I don't suppose Ian dressed up as
Cupid and shot some potenet arrows, did he? hehe.. He could have
convinced Clive to leave though.. I also thought that Clive suggested
Barrie.. or was it the other way around?
So, if you want, please, tell more!
Alan Charlesworth
In article <33D5B4...@earthlink.net>, Mike <mike...@earthlink.net>
writes
>> You must remember these guys had worked there entire lives to get to the
>> point Tull was at after Aqualung was recorded, why the hell would anyone
>> give it up "just to get married." Getting married only takes one day.
>
>Hmmm. I thought marriage was supposed to be a life-long committment or
>something. I think it usually causes changes in lifestyle etc. I'll
>have to check on that one.
>
>> Now tell me that someone in their right mind is going to quit what was about
>> to become the biggest rock act right in the middle of their biggest and
>> most lucrative tour merely because he wants to get married.
>
>Could "love" be more important to some misguided folks than their job,
>even a lucrative one? Dunno. But while its fun to be a Tull fan,
>spending all that time touring, being away from home, putting up with
>the fights and stress, etc- may not be fun, indeed it may be a major
>drag. At least he didn't leave to become a coke addict or something (so
>far as I know)
>
>> Suffice it to say
>> that the timing and manner Clive left makes the stated reason "He left to
>> get married" a totally unacceptable explanation.
>
>Yes! Something must be done about this! Public figures can't have
>private lives, not if they line their pockets from my album purchases.
>
On this subject have another look at the 25th Anniv. video and listen to
the interviews with Bunker, Evans, Cornick, Abrahams and Barlow. I get a
very strong impression that there is a lot they are *not* saying about
why they left Tull. Bunker is particularly evasive about _getting
married_ and Evans is particularly underwhelmed about being an ex-member
of Tull - especially when aswering the question _Why did Tull need a
keyboard player?_ to which he replied _This has never been
satisfactorily explained_ !! An interview with Hammond was notable by
its absence.
IMHO it all points to the great strength of IA's character and the
direction he wanted to take. MB certainly gave the group a different
dimension to MA's guitar sound, BB was head and shoulders above CB as a
drummer and JHH added life that GC could not provide. So, although it
may have been messy, who can argue that IA did the wrong thing?
Looking at the responses to the Top 5 questionnaires, in most of this
NG's opinion, better music resulted from these changes.
--
Alan Charlesworth
Andreas Mackensen
jof...@aol.com (Jofitzy) wrote:
>If Ian's dictatorial manner in which he runs Tull took its toll on Dave,
>then Dave must be a saint because he put up with it for over 15 years.
As some others said in this thread, playing with Anderson is a _job_
in the first place, and not so much vocation. How many people have
hard working conditions? They're not saints, methinks, but employees
needing the money they earn.
Remember Peggy's situation back in 79 with Fairport finally having
folded --- Anderson's offer should have fitted very well (btw I recall
having read that it was Barlow's idea to ask Dave to play with Tull in
the first place; can anyone confirm?).
>I
>think another major reason Dave decided to call it a day with Tull was
>because of Ian's voice which I think Peggy felt was resulting in
>poor-quality and embarassing shows.
He quite openly said so in a New Day interview, didn't he?
Another point I remember is that he was very upset about Anderson's
engaging a studio musician for most bass tracks on RTB whilst Peggy
was busay with Fairport. Which gives us a third possible reason for
Peggy's departure (and the one stressed the most officially): Fairport
have become more and more busy during the last years, with extensive
touring (new album Who Knows where the Time Goes is out, btw!), and he
Peggy had increasingly more problems co-ordinating the work with the
two bands. I personally don't regret his decisions --- Fairport still
are a fantastic band! But that's off-topic ;-)
>Why so many tours and shows. What is Ian trying to prove?
>Why does he constantly risk damaging his voice completely by constant
>touring?
Don't know; rather a psychological problem, I assume: something of a
midlife crisis? The aging man demonstrating to himself as well as to
the world he's still on the height of virility? A pity it is, that's
for sure to me...
Keep your eyes open and prick up your ears ---
Cheers,
Andreas.
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Andreas Mackensen
mack...@stud.uni-frankfurt.de
http://www.rz.uni-frankfurt.de/~mackense/
phone +49-6171-926732
If you really mean it
it all comes round again.
FC
Jack Tydeman
Gee! I always thought that midlife crisis is psychological in nature.
Jack.
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