The John Glascock Disgrace
clair...@webtv.net
Reading a posting by a very "informed" Tullite concerning John Glascock,
I remembered my initial reaction to reading the back of the Stormwatch
booklet. I think the way Glascock's name was reduced to a small, barely
legible, little notation way at the bottom was flat out wrong. The guy
just died, at a very young age no less, and I think he deserved a little
more than that. I am aware that he only played on three songs, but he
was a member of the band for almost four years; his last album should
have his name at the top with the rest of the boys, just one last time.
If I was the singer/flautist in a rock band, there would most certainly
be an "in memory of" at the bottom of the record, that's just good
taste. To Ian, however, I guess he was just too busy thinking about his
next project. I'll betcha if Glascock lived just a little longer and was
on his deathbed right before the recording of "A" - Ian probably would
have still given him the axe, just like Evans, Barlow and Palmer. One
thing I have painfully learned over the last few years, is that business
is placed far above compassion and taste.
Jim
"And I can't check outta this crazy world...without being a jerk.....I
don't wanna be me......." (Anderson)
Biffyshrew
clair...@webtv.net wrote:
>If I was the singer/flautist in a rock band, there would most certainly
>be an "in memory of" at the bottom of the record, that's just good
>taste.
Just a reminder: John Glascock was *still alive* when _Stormwatch_ was
released, so an "in memory of" would have been extremely inappropriate!
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Wingedisle
In the new issue of LITP theres a big piece on John Glascock - with his
discography and an interview with his brother. An interview was done with
Barriemore Barlowe regarding John. Interesting stuff.
Dennis
clair...@webtv.net
Let's hear about the article! Anything
interesting/enlightening/informative??? That is the point!
Todd Lowenstein
clair...@webtv.net wrote:
>Reading a posting by a very "informed" Tullite concerning John Glascock,
>I remembered my initial reaction to reading the back of the Stormwatch
>booklet. I think the way Glascock's name was reduced to a small, barely
>legible, little notation way at the bottom was flat out wrong. The guy
>just died, at a very young age no less, and I think he deserved a little
>more than that. I am aware that he only played on three songs, but he
>was a member of the band for almost four years; his last album should
>have his name at the top with the rest of the boys, just one last time.
>be an "in memory of" at the bottom of the record, that's just good
>next project. I'll betcha if Glascock lived just a little longer and was
>on his deathbed right before the recording of "A" - Ian probably would
>have still given him the axe, just like Evans, Barlow and Palmer. One
>thing I have painfully learned over the last few years, is that business
>is placed far above compassion and taste.
>
>Jim
Correct me if I am wrong, but John had not died at the time Stormwatch was
released. Nor was anyone expecting him to die. I won't quibble about how
much contribution is necessary to rate being included in an album's
credits. And it would have been a nicer gesture to have a sick member of
the group get full or special reference. But I don't think a terrible
crime or injustice was commited.
Since I really don't KNOW all the facts on this one, I'll just stop here
without defending or condemning anyone.
Todd
Wingedisle
I won't sell many issues if I print the issues here but there does seem to
be a discrepancy between what John's brother says and what Barrie says
about the actual departure of John from the band before he died, and Ian's
feelings and actions/decisions at the time. Ian will have the opportunity
to speak further on the subject if he decides to. Other than that I find
that just John Glascock's musical and living history is very interesting
and conjures up many different lifestyles and influences. It remains quite
sad that he died so young when gave so much (up to and including Tull) and
had so much to give.
Dennis
C.J. Currie
<clair...@webtv.net> wrote:
>Reading a posting by a very "informed" Tullite concerning John Glascock,
>I remembered my initial reaction to reading the back of the Stormwatch
>booklet. I think the way Glascock's name was reduced to a small, barely
>legible, little notation way at the bottom was flat out wrong. The guy
>just died, at a very young age no less, and I think he deserved a little
>more than that. I am aware that he only played on three songs, but he
>was a member of the band for almost four years; his last album should
>have his name at the top with the rest of the boys, just one last time.
There is some validity to this argument, but I should note that Glascock
didn't die until after _Stormwatch_ was released. He left the band in
poor health, and didn't die until midway through the tour.
The Christopher Currie
Christopher Norman
clair...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> Reading a posting by a very "informed" Tullite concerning John Glascock,
> I remembered my initial reaction to reading the back of the Stormwatch
> booklet. I think the way Glascock's name was reduced to a small, barely
> legible, little notation way at the bottom was flat out wrong. The guy
> just died, at a very young age no less, and I think he deserved a little
> more than that. I am aware that he only played on three songs, but he
> was a member of the band for almost four years; his last album should
> have his name at the top with the rest of the boys, just one last time.
> be an "in memory of" at the bottom of the record, that's just good
> taste. To Ian, however, I guess he was just too busy thinking about his
> next project.
John Glascock was still alive when _Stormwatch_ was released. He
didn't die until November or December of 1979, while they were
touring for the album. That's why there was no tribute to him
on the sleeve. Would there have been if he'd died earlier? I don't
know, but it's stupid to lambast Ian for something he didn't do.
I'll betcha if Glascock lived just a little longer and was
> on his deathbed right before the recording of "A" - Ian probably would
> have still given him the axe, just like Evans, Barlow and Palmer.
I guess the record needs to be set straight again. Barlow left the
band in 1980 after the Stormwatch tour was done, because he didn't
want to be there anymore without John. Palmer had plenty of other
things to do and seems not to have been very put out by his
non-inclusion in the _A_ project, since they worked together again
just a few years later on the _Classic Case_ album, and again on
"Coronach". So that parting seems to have been amicable. The only
member who can reasonably claim to have been "axed" is John Evans,
and even then it was just by default, rather than out of malice
(despite what rumourmongers may have to say to the contrary).
And anyway, Dave Pegg had been hired as an official member of the
band before the start of the Stormwatch tour, so he would have been
on _A_ even if Evans, Palmer and Barlow had stayed on.
One
> thing I have painfully learned over the last few years, is that business
> is placed far above compassion and taste.
Sadly true, but not in the case of Ian Anderson.
Christopher Norman
Emmett Hoops
You know, the more I think of it, the more I respect Ian's position on
the unfortunate death of John Glascock. He mourned his death,
certainly. This is undoubtedly reflected in "Slow Marching Band", on
BatB, in 1982. "Take a hand and take a bow....you played for me,
that's all for now ... Never mind the words, just hum along...and keep
on going."
I am proud to be a fanatic fan of Tull precisely because they made
their music matter -- not death.
Who can doubt that the Doors sold more because of Morrison's death
than his alleged talent?
Who can doubt that Janis is far more popular now than she ever was?
Who denies that Jimi Hendrix would merit all this adulation had he not
died young? (Truth to tell, he was NOT a great innovator.)
Three Hurrahs to Ian and Martin for not falling for an easy, yet
nauseating, marketing ploy. John died, that's all. We miss him, and
we always will. But to put his name up in bold letters and announce
his demise? How tacky, how ultimately, and tastelessly, tacky!
Emmett
On Thu, 24 Jul 1997 16:14:18 -0400, clair...@webtv.net wrote:
>Reading a posting by a very "informed" Tullite concerning John Glascock,
>I remembered my initial reaction to reading the back of the Stormwatch
>booklet. I think the way Glascock's name was reduced to a small, barely
>legible, little notation way at the bottom was flat out wrong. The guy
>just died, at a very young age no less, and I think he deserved a little
>more than that. I am aware that he only played on three songs, but he
>was a member of the band for almost four years; his last album should
>have his name at the top with the rest of the boys, just one last time.
>If I was the singer/flautist in a rock band, there would most certainly
>be an "in memory of" at the bottom of the record, that's just good
>taste. To Ian, however, I guess he was just too busy thinking about his
>next project. I'll betcha if Glascock lived just a little longer and was
>on his deathbed right before the recording of "A" - Ian probably would
>have still given him the axe, just like Evans, Barlow and Palmer. One
>thing I have painfully learned over the last few years, is that business
>is placed far above compassion and taste.
>
>Jim
>
>"And I can't check outta this crazy world...without being a jerk.....I
>don't wanna be me......." (Anderson)
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David Clegg
clair...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> Emmett Hoops said -
>
> "John Glascock's death was reflected in Slow Marching Band. Ian mourned
> his death."
>
> I personally think your assumption "SMB" is a homage to John is
> far-fetched. Also, I don't think Anderson even liked John.
>
> Jim
>
> "Somewhere in her history, there's a lock without a key. She doesn't
> trust the management, she don't trust me. Damned if I wait for her and
> I'll be damned if I don't. Damned if I only see that Rosa on the factory
> floor. (Anderson)
Jim, you're a jerk. go somewhere else
jimi
David Clegg wrote:>
> Jim, you're a jerk. go somewhere else
Hmmmmmm . . . . .
jimi.
clair...@webtv.net
First off, I don't even know who the hell you are. Second, I am not
going anywhere. Third, mind your own damned business - I didn't address
you - speak only when spoken to like a good dog.
Jim
"Why do we park in driveways and drive on parkways?"
David Clegg
I apologize to most of you. Jim's negativity and pomposity just got to
me. I have nothing against most younger fans (I was one once myself
y'know) but this guys overall tone and his desire/need to be a victim
got to me. My fingers typed in those words and I hit the send button
before I remembered the good advice given in another thread to ignore
twerps. Won't happen again.
Sorry again.
D.F.
clair...@webtv.net wrote:
> First off, I don't even know who the hell you are. Second, I am not
> going anywhere. Third, mind your own damned business - I didn't
> address
> you - speak only when spoken to like a good dog.
>
> Jim
>
> "Why do we park in driveways and drive on parkways?"
Anything posted to this group is subject to comment whether YOU like
it or not.
Of course you are not going anywhere, you still haven't figured out:
clair...@webtv.net
Good, I'm glad it won't happen again, you obviously know your place
around here - that is - hiding in the corner poking your head out once
and awhile. You make your little statements, and then you dissappear
back into the darkness - I have never heard of you before now - and
frankly, I don't give a damn about you or what you have to say. YOU are
the one who attacked me, and NOW you're calling me a "twerp?" Screw the
hell off, you're just a geek, and although it's irrelevant here, I could
dust your ass on the street in about ummm.....3 seconds. YOU are the
"twerp" and obviously, a chicken-shit coward who only comes out to
attack me. Go back under the rock from which you came.
Jim
D.F.
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clair...@webtv.net wrote:
For having an argument with no one and without any coherence or
pertinence to the thread and finally being weirder than even beagle
woman, you win the coveted cross of stupidity. Gratulieren!
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clair...@webtv.net
and you, are a nazi asswipe that I don't even pay any attention to. Oh,
did you finally run out of porno? Now, I guess you are posing as Anita
Unger, a woman with a beagle fetish. You know, if I happen to be in
Burlington and I see anyone with a pink carnation, I will bury my fist
right between that person's eyes. Better pick another color "D.F."
unless you want a paramedic to assist you out of the doors.
Jim
D.F.
clair...@webtv.net wrote:
Another incoherent group of non sequitors by Mr. Clairvoyant.
You don't pay any attention to me? Let's see, by my count-on this
thread alone, you responded what four times?
And who said I was a nazi in the first place? You are watching the
history channel too much.
Since you are the clairvoyant one, you won't have to hit everyone with a
pink carnation. You will know immediately which carnation belongs to me,
right? I doubt it because even though YOU claim to be clairvoyant, you
are really just a fat, stupid, couch potato.
It's too bad you miss the pictures, but unfortunately, the only thing
you can raise is your remote control.
jimi
LeeAnn5ft wrote:
>
> clair...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> > and you, are a nazi asswipe that I don't even pay any attention to.
> > Oh,
> > did you finally run out of porno? Now, I guess you are posing as Anita
> >
> > Unger, a woman with a beagle fetish. You know, if I happen to be in
> > Burlington and I see anyone with a pink carnation, I will bury my fist
> >
> > right between that person's eyes. Better pick another color "D.F."
> > unless you want a paramedic to assist you out of the doors.
> >
> > Jim
>
> >Another incoherent group of non sequitors by Mr. Clairvoyant.
> >
> >You don't pay any attention to me? Let's see, by my count-on >this
> >thread alone, you responded what four times?
> >
> >Since you are the clairvoyant one, you won't have to hit >everyone with a
> >pink carnation. You will know immediately which carnation >belongs to me,
> >right? I doubt it because even though YOU claim to be >clairvoyant, you
> >are really just a fat, stupid, couch potato.
>
> Oh please, guys... guys,..... this is nuts.... Haven't you learned
> anything from Ian and his lyrics and music? Where's your tolerance?.....
> please....
>
> There can be NO VIOLENCE at this convention.
>
> Start acting your age not your shoe size..... See how ridiculous that
> sounds? Could we all call it a truce, and agree to disagree? Please?
>
> My thoughts on this very unworthy subject, LeeAnn
Thank you very much!!
My thoughts as well.
jimi.
LeeAnn5ft
Emmett Hoops
Gratulieren? You mean, "Congratulate you"??? This makes no sense,
Dolf, baby.
Remember the turnips are late this year. No water, and big bills in
the sink!
Achmed the Salacious
D.F.
Emmett Hoops wrote:
> Gratulieren? Do you mean, "Congratulate you"??? This makes no sense
> to me,
> because I don't speak German and I'm too stupid to understand the
> difference between translation and transliteration, baby.
>
> Remember the hemmaroids are late this year. No fiber, and big balls
> in
> the crack!
>
> Achmed the Salacious