Toccata and Fugue in D Minor
Ken Boer
nearly all the fingering down pat, but in measures 87 to 90, is the trill
between a G and an A, or G and A flat? The last thing I want to do is
play this wrong for an upcoming college audition. Thanks!
Ohn Christian
: Right now I am working on Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D minor and have
: between a G and an A, or G and A flat? The last thing I want to do is
: play this wrong for an upcoming college audition. Thanks!
I've always played and heard A flat. That part is supposed to be in c minor
and trilling A-G-A-G would make it sound too "major". Maybe you were
wondering because of the A's in the theme (pedal during the first trill,
left hand during the second). Don't.
Christian
marshall tuttle
>Right now I am working on Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D minor and have
>nearly all the fingering down pat, but in measures 87 to 90, is the trill
>between a G and an A, or G and A flat? The last thing I want to do is
>play this wrong for an upcoming college audition. Thanks!
>
the trill is to A flat. the prevailing tonality is C minor, and that
particular A resolves downward as opposed to the A's in the
countersubject which resolve upwards.
if you have any chance to hear this in mean tone temperament you should,
the effect is hair-raising.
mt
BobH321
>Right now I am working on Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D minor and have
>nearly all the fingering down pat, but in measures 87 to 90, is the trill
>between a G and an A, or G and A flat?
A-flat - The tonality of this short passage is C minor. The A-flat
reinforces that tonality. A-natural would give it a modal flavor. BTW,
remember to start the trill on the upper note. Good luck on your audition!
Bob Heath
Miami Bach Society
Bernard S. Greenberg
: Ken Boer (ka...@mcs.net) wrote:
: : Right now I am working on Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D minor and have
: : nearly all the fingering down pat, but in measures 87 to 90, is the trill
: I've always played and heard A flat. That part is supposed to be in c minor
: and trilling A-G-A-G would make it sound too "major". Maybe you were
: wondering because of the A's in the theme (pedal during the first trill,
: left hand during the second). Don't.
I've heard countless performances of this in concert and on record of
the past few decades, and I've never heard anyone in my life play it A
natural. (I've always played A natural). The passage is clearly in C
minor, an Ab even appears after it ... I can't justify my irrational
acts ... perhaps the A natural serves to remind us we really are
wandering a couple of keys subdominant from home...
Others?
Bernie
b...@basistech.com
Bernard S. Greenberg
: Ohn Christian (ch...@vub.ac.be) wrote:
: : I've always played and heard A flat. That part is supposed to be in c minor
: : and trilling A-G-A-G would make it sound too "major". Maybe you were
: : wondering because of the A's in the theme (pedal during the first trill,
: : left hand during the second). Don't.
: I've heard countless performances of this in concert and on record of
: the past few decades, and I've never heard anyone in my life play it A
: natural. (I've always played A natural). The passage is clearly in C
WOOPS! LOSING MY MIND!
Of course, I meant " I never heard anyone play an A FLAT."
: minor, an Ab even appears after it ... I can't justify my irrational
: acts ... perhaps the A natural serves to remind us we really are
: wandering a couple of keys subdominant from home...
Bernie
b...@basistech.com
marshall tuttle
>I, semi-conscious, wrote:
....
>
>WOOPS! LOSING MY MIND!
>Of course, I meant " I never heard anyone play an A FLAT."
you haven't lived!
>: C minor, an Ab even appears after it ... I can't justify my irrational
>: acts ... perhaps the A natural serves to remind us we really are
>: wandering a couple of keys subdominant from home...
>
the plagal effect is the entire point of the piece. the answer to the
fugue subject is plagal, the final cadence is plagal, the Ab is necessary
to establish the c minor section as point of farthest harmonic excursion.
the cross-relation with A natural and the mistuning of Ab-Eb in mean tone
tuning make this section of the piece into a hair-raising climax.
playing A natural here is inconsistent with every procedure of tonal
behaviour, In my experience, bach cannot be shown to have violated these
procedures anywhere in his works ( except perhaps in modal pieces which
this is not.)
mt
xavip
>Ohn Christian (ch...@vub.ac.be) wrote:
>: Ken Boer (ka...@mcs.net) wrote:
>: : Right now I am working on Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D minor and have
>: : nearly all the fingering down pat, but in measures 87 to 90, is the trill
>: : between a G and an A, or G and A flat? The last thing I want to do is
>: : play this wrong for an upcoming college audition. Thanks!
>: I've always played and heard A flat. That part is supposed to be in c minor
>: and trilling A-G-A-G would make it sound too "major". Maybe you were
>: wondering because of the A's in the theme (pedal during the first trill,
>: left hand during the second). Don't.
>I've heard countless performances of this in concert and on record of
>the past few decades, and I've never heard anyone in my life play it A
>natural. (I've always played A natural). The passage is clearly in C
>minor, an Ab even appears after it ... I can't justify my irrational
>acts ... perhaps the A natural serves to remind us we really are
>wandering a couple of keys subdominant from home...
>Others?
>Bernie
>b...@basistech.com
Hello, I think that G with trill is G-Ab because this fragment is in C
minor; In the previous measure, the music is in G minor and A is
natural (of course) but in the left hand part, there is a cromatic
modulation with Bb-Bnatural for to go at C minor; the trill is G-Ab
because the A natural will smash the tonality (The right hand plays
the fugue's contrasubject and theme is in C minor, so, the
contrasubject is in C minor). The tonality estructure in that fugue is
very cleary. It's BACH, NO BARTOK NEITHER PENDERECKY.
Others?
Xavier
xa...@lix.intercom.es