So I ask ... has anyone written a proposal for a new newsgroup? Wanna help?
I am adding rec.music.dementia to the newsgroups list, although some
readers there may be unfamiliar with his work. Though you can't really
tell from the titles, here are a few representative pieces:
- "Safe" Sextet
- Echo Sonata for Two Unfriendly Groups of Instruments
- Schleptet in E Flat Major
PDQ Bach is the alter-ego of Professor Peter Schickele, from the
University of Southern North Dakota at Hoople. He makes classical music
funny.
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: - "Safe" Sextet
: - Echo Sonata for Two Unfriendly Groups of Instruments
: - Schleptet in E Flat Major
You've forgotten some of the real classics of his ouvre...
- Hansel and Gretel and Ted and Alice (an opera in one unnatural act)
(S.2^n-1)
- The "Toot Suite" for Calliope four hands (S.212 degrees)
- The "Unbegun" Symphony (by Prof. Shickele himself)
- Concerto for 2 Pianos vs. Orchestra (S.2 are better than one)
and last (and probably least)
- Pervertimento for Bagpipes, Bicyle and Balloons (S.69)
- The "Erotica" variations (S.36EE)
Phil Jern
Coincidentally, this past Friday I saw Prof. Schickele giving a PDQ Bach
performance at Carnegie hall. I believe he presented some new material
... a piece on the 12-signs of the zodiac.
Anyways, I don't think PDQ Bach is especially relevant to Bach because
most of the musical humour (at least on Telarc) is related to non-Bach
music. The most important recent exception is the last CD, the
Short-Tempered Clavier. At any rate, the music gives little insight into
Bach, which is just fine, as that was never the intent.
So as much as I would enjoy talking about PDQ, it would be as relevant
to do so in a.f.jsb as talking about the music of JCBach.
Robb.
ObBach: Did you know that the first mvmt of Brandenburg#3 reappears as a
mvmt of a cantata, but with horn and woodwind parts added.
It's a shame we don't hear it more often.
There is an alt.fan.pdq-bach newsgroup on my news server... perhaps you could
request your news administrator to add it.
The titles alone sometimes are enough to set me off again: The 1712 Overture.
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: The titles alone sometimes are enough to set me off again: The 1712 Overture.
Call me a stick in the mud, but is this -really- appropriate to
alt.music.j-s-bach? Isn't the name of the group clear enough?
And I -like- PDQ...
Bernie
b...@basistech.com
The Cantatas are a treasure house of this sort of thing.
The instance you mention is just one of many. The Sinfonia to
Cantata #29 is a glorious baroque orchestral movement, but it
is a recasting of a movement for solo, unaccompanied violin.
Another Cantata begins with the opening movement of the D
minor Clavier Concerto performed by organ and orchestra and
continues with an opening chorus which is the second
movement of the concerto, again with organ solo, and with
the chorus superimposed.
Send any comments, flames to jmay...@intellinet.com
: Speaking of which, [Essential Canadian Brass's] recording of the Toccata
: and Fugue in D minor sounds much like it ends on a major. "What's up with
: that"? I have heard people tell me both that it _should_ be minor and
: that it is often ended on a major. Any consensus here? Or do I have to
: admit that the Canadian Brass are not perfect after all??? I would
: certainly like the recording much better if it ended on a minor.
For some information on the major/minor question, see the current thread
"FAQ: BWV565."
Bernie, I believe this is the first post on this group referring someone to
the FAQ. And the FAQ isn't even complete yet!
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>D. Citron (dci...@gate.net) wrote:
>: PDQ Bach is the alter-ego of Professor Peter Schickele, from the
>: University of Southern North Dakota at Hoople. He makes classical music
>: funny.
>
>Coincidentally, this past Friday I saw Prof. Schickele giving a PDQ Bach
>performance at Carnegie hall. I believe he presented some new material
>... a piece on the 12-signs of the zodiac.
>
P.D.Q. Bach's opus album LIEBESLIEDER POLKAS contains "Twelve Quite Heavenly
Songs". Each song is dedicated to a sign of the zodiac. (i.e. "AQUARIUS: Oh
Holy Mackerel"). I believe this is the zodiac reference you allude to.
It is from 1980 and is (was) available on VANGUARD records.
Shoes For Industry!
D.J. Deny Ray
Radio Free Kadena!
Well, "Wurst" is just a 'best of' album. the Sportscasting segment comes from
the album 'PDQ Bach on the Air' (Vanguard, 1967), now available on CD.
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An Evening with PDQ Bach(The Music of) (1965, Vanguard)
An Hysterical Return[At Carnegie Hall] (1966)
PDQ Bach on the Air (1967)
The Stoned Guest (1970)
The Wurst of PDQ Bach (collection)
The Intimate PDQ Bach (1974)
Portrait of PDQ Bach (1977)
Black Forest Bluegrass (1979)
Liebeslieder Polkas (1980)
Music you can't get out of your head (1982)
Addicted to PDQ Bach & Prof. Schickle (collection)
A Little Nightmare Music (1983)
1712 Overture (1989, Telarc)
Oedipus Tex & Other Corral Calamities (1990)
WTMP Classical Talkity-Talk Radio (1991)
Music for an Awful Lot of Winds & Percussion (1992)
Sneaky Pete & the Wolf/Carnival of the Animals (1993)
Two Pianos Are Better than One (1994)
The Short-Tempered Clavier & Others (1995)
Qrt#1
Bestiary/Quartet
Also, the video _The Abduction of Figaro_.
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> Actually I think PDQ BAck is a good break from the monotony of music.
> Oh, by the way, I am a music Education Major. One of my favorite PDQ
> CD's is "The Wurst Of PDQ Bach" and my favorite on that album is
> the sportscasting of Bethovan's Fitfth Symphony in C MInor..... it is
> a must hear!
>
> Send any comments, flames to jmay...@intellinet.com
Anyone know how to spell the name of the conductor on this?
Hillary
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>Call me a stick in the mud, but is this -really- appropriate to
>alt.music.j-s-bach? Isn't the name of the group clear enough?
>And I -like- PDQ...
Suggestion: perhaps when responding to this msg, to delete a.m.j-sb from
Newsgroups line and cease the j-s discussion part, as this is spilling
over into rec.music.dementia, where PDQ is the man, this part could
continue in r.m.d while the JS part could continue in
a.m.j-sb.....roight?!?!?!
Otherwise, the closest topic I can offer to both is my whacked-out brass
arrangement of Kontrapunctus 9 (Kontrapunctured 9A) which at the end comes
off sounding like Don Ellis blowing JS thru his mouthpiece....nyeh....
thanks
C
Wasn't that Heilige Dankesang?
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for appreciation, and is thus a
source of civilized delight."
j...@uwm.edu -- William Safire
and my favorite on that album is
|> the sportscasting of Bethovan's Fitfth Symphony in C MInor..... it is
|> a must hear!
|>
|> Send any comments, flames to jmay...@intellinet.com
I've heard it, and it's absolutely a riot.
"What's this oboist think this is? A cadenza?"
What album is it from? I must get a copy.
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Holy God, who knows what it is to be running?
Only he who is running running running knows.
(running nose)
I always thought the joke name was
Highly Gedankensan,
which translates in Germenglish to Highly thought of
>
>>>
>>>> CD's is "The Wurst Of PDQ Bach" and my favorite on that album is
>>>> the sportscasting of Bethovan's Fitfth Symphony in C MInor..... it is
>>>
>>> Anyone know how to spell the name of the conductor on this?
>>
>>Wasn't that Heilige Dankesang?
Beethoven's Quartet in A Minor, Op. 132 has a slow movement whose
title is "Heilige Dankesange..." means "song of thanks..."
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the "vintage" PDQ Bach instrument I find most "baroque" is the slide
music stand. Why is the Bach family maligned with PDQ humor? Just
because there were so many initialed Bach composers, ie., CPE, JS, JW,
and of course, MA (my achin') Bach.
Seriously, the entire PDQ series is frat humor for college preppies and
yuppies whose musical budget includes an unlimited amount of time to
waste. Plenty of rogue humor exists from W. Amadeus Mozart.
Dan Talbot
ttk...@ix.netcom.com
: Remember that his works and comedy are mostly for people who have
: never really listened to classical music - much less Bach. But they do
Wow do I disagree with this. Many of the nuances in both the music and
the comentary require a massive knowledge of classical music. In afct,
some of the biggest fans of his work are the professional musicians who
make a real good living performing classical music on a day to day
basis. The people who dismiss PDQ Bach are generally what are often
derisively called the mink and pearls set who primarily go to the
concert, nbot because they like the music, but rather to see and be
seen. For example, the folks who buy the Met boxes but don't use them.
:
educate their audience about the joys of classical music and like I
: said before, if those people because of a pdq bach concert become real
: Bach fans, well then so much better for all of us...
True...
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We should allow candidates to exceed spending limits....as long as we
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sometimes we get so hung up in our serious pursuit of music that we
forget that one of the tenants of music is that it is supposed to be
fun.
I would vote to allow his commentary to ride comfortably alongside the
great master himself...
afterall, it is his comedy and amusement that quite often becomes the
encouragement for folks that have never heard classical music to try
it out- and if those people someday become real JSB fans, well then,
so much the merrier...
"D. Citron" <dci...@gate.net> wrote:
>Well, one person thought PDQ Bach was inappropriate in
>alt.music.j-s-bach, several thought it was, and several liked the idea of an
>alt.music.pdq-bach newsgroup.
>So I ask ... has anyone written a proposal for a new newsgroup? Wanna help?
>I am adding rec.music.dementia to the newsgroups list, although some
>readers there may be unfamiliar with his work. Though you can't really
>tell from the titles, here are a few representative pieces:
>- "Safe" Sextet
>- Echo Sonata for Two Unfriendly Groups of Instruments
>- Schleptet in E Flat Major
>PDQ Bach is the alter-ego of Professor Peter Schickele, from the
>University of Southern North Dakota at Hoople. He makes classical music
>funny.
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> * a/k/a the CyberCurmudgeon syndicated columnist *
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Remember that his works and comedy are mostly for people who have
never really listened to classical music - much less Bach. But they do
educate their audience about the joys of classical music and like I
said before, if those people because of a pdq bach concert become real
Bach fans, well then so much better for all of us...
brat...@norm.inforamp.net (Wink) wrote:
>D. Citron (dci...@gate.net) wrote:
>: PDQ Bach is the alter-ego of Professor Peter Schickele, from the
>: University of Southern North Dakota at Hoople. He makes classical music
>: funny.
>Coincidentally, this past Friday I saw Prof. Schickele giving a PDQ Bach
>performance at Carnegie hall. I believe he presented some new material
>... a piece on the 12-signs of the zodiac.
>Anyways, I don't think PDQ Bach is especially relevant to Bach because
>most of the musical humour (at least on Telarc) is related to non-Bach
>music. The most important recent exception is the last CD, the
>Short-Tempered Clavier. At any rate, the music gives little insight into
>Bach, which is just fine, as that was never the intent.
>So as much as I would enjoy talking about PDQ, it would be as relevant
>to do so in a.f.jsb as talking about the music of JCBach.
>Robb.
>ObBach: Did you know that the first mvmt of Brandenburg#3 reappears as a
: sometimes we get so hung up in our serious pursuit of music that we
: forget that one of the tenants of music is that it is supposed to be
: fun.
So why not discuss sports, politics, or tell jokes? PDQ Bach has
about as much to do with J. S. Bach. How about the works of writer
Richard Bach, or the Bach flower cure? Or Offenbach? They share as
much with J. S. Bach as does PDQ.
What's more, there already is an alt.fan.pdq-bach. We've been through
this - if you wanna discuss schleptets, Sleeping Dogs awake, and
concerti for Horn and Hardart, you should do it there. There is such
a thing as topicality and the purpose of a newsgroup. Please see the
FAQ, in particular, http://www.basistech.com/bach/pdqetc.htm ...
: I would vote to allow his commentary to ride comfortably alongside the
: great master himself...
I would vote against.
: afterall, it is his comedy and amusement that quite often becomes the
: encouragement for folks that have never heard classical music to try
: it out- and if those people someday become real JSB fans, well then,
: so much the merrier...
If anyone knows of anyone who was brought to J. S. Bach by Schickele/PDQ,
I'd like to hear about it - pray tell.
Bernard S. Greenberg
b...@basistech.com
FAQMeister, alt.music.j-s-bach
BTW, I think Schikele Mix would make a great live show with an
orchestra. Has anybody thought of doing that?
Marko Velikonja
: So why not discuss sports, politics, or tell jokes? PDQ Bach has
: about as much to do with J. S. Bach. How about the works of writer
: Richard Bach, or the Bach flower cure? Or Offenbach? They share as
: much with J. S. Bach as does PDQ.
Well, Bernard, I hate to burst your bubble, but I'd have to say
that you're wrong on this one. If you had listened to a fairly recent
recording, "1712 Overture and Other Musical Assaults", you would know
that more than a few references were made about J.S. Bach throughout the
recording. One of the titles on the recording is even called, "A Bach
Portrait." Don't make foolish statements if you don't have all of the
facts.
--
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"I am what I am, and that's all I am.
I was born to make pancakes.
I'm a . . . battering ram!"
--P.D.Q. Bach
: : So why not discuss sports, politics, or tell jokes? PDQ Bach has
: : about as much to do with J. S. Bach. How about the works of writer
: : Richard Bach, or the Bach flower cure? Or Offenbach? They share as
: : much with J. S. Bach as does PDQ.
: Well, Bernard, I hate to burst your bubble, but I'd have to say
: that you're wrong on this one. If you had listened to a fairly recent
: recording, "1712 Overture and Other Musical Assaults", you would know
: that more than a few references were made about J.S. Bach throughout the
: recording. One of the titles on the recording is even called, "A Bach
: Portrait." Don't make foolish statements if you don't have all of the
: facts.
Gee whiz, well, hell, I guess you got me, I'm not really as knowledgeable
about PDQ Bach's latest work as I should be to make such a statement.
I didn't have all the facts. You are quite right.
But you are quite wrong in inferring from that that this discussion
belongs here and not on alt.fan.pdq-bach. Could you please tell me
why you think the latter group exists? Do you think it should
not exist? I have added it to the newsgroups line.
Could you explain to me why the fact that in this recent work he
lampoons J.S. Bach, and maybe even some earlier work, among dozens of
composers and hundreds of pieces, makes generic discussion of PDQ Bach
relevant to this group? Was the thread even discussing his insights on
Bach? No.
So you're right, but I'm much more right. Sorry.
Bernie
b...@basistech.com
>: So why not discuss sports, politics, or tell jokes? PDQ Bach has
>: about as much to do with J. S. Bach. How about the works of writer
>: Richard Bach, or the Bach flower cure? Or Offenbach? They share as
>: much with J. S. Bach as does PDQ.
> Well, Bernard, I hate to burst your bubble, but I'd have to say
>that you're wrong on this one. If you had listened to a fairly recent
>recording, "1712 Overture and Other Musical Assaults", you would know
>that more than a few references were made about J.S. Bach throughout the
>recording. One of the titles on the recording is even called, "A Bach
>Portrait." Don't make foolish statements if you don't have all of the
>facts.
I finally decided that Martin Greenberg was engaging in the same kind
of satire as Professor Schickele is in his persona as p. D. Q. Bach.
Schickele could never do what he does if he did not have a complete
and thorough grounding in the music he is satirizing.
Surely, Greenberg is engaging in some of the same?
Regards, PHG
ICBM:37ø01'48"N,76ø25'38"W
I think that any post that has anything to do in any way with J.S. Bach is
fair game for alt.music.j-s-bach.
You can always start a new newsgroup if you don't like the "broad" spectrum of
a newsgroup. Perhaps, alt.music.j-s-bach.moderated?
Well, if there is, then we don't get it at this site and we have
tons of obscure groups.
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Mathias
icono...@tarkus.ocis.temple.edu
: >: So why not discuss sports, politics, or tell jokes? PDQ Bach has
: >: about as much to do with J. S. Bach. How about the works of writer
: >: Richard Bach, or the Bach flower cure? Or Offenbach? They share as
: >: much with J. S. Bach as does PDQ.
: > Well, Bernard, I hate to burst your bubble, but I'd have to say
: >that you're wrong on this one. If you had listened to a fairly recent
: >recording, "1712 Overture and Other Musical Assaults", you would know
: >that more than a few references were made about J.S. Bach throughout the
: >recording. One of the titles on the recording is even called, "A Bach
: >Portrait." Don't make foolish statements if you don't have all of the
: >facts.
: I finally decided that Martin Greenberg was engaging in the same kind
: of satire as Professor Schickele is in his persona as p. D. Q. Bach.
: Schickele could never do what he does if he did not have a complete
: and thorough grounding in the music he is satirizing.
Who is Martin Greenberg?
Once again, I think PDQ Bach is very clever and interesting, I have
attended his concerts and bought his records (remember records?), but
discussion of him belongs on his own newsgroup, not here.
Bernie
b...@basistech.com
: Once again, I think PDQ Bach is very clever and interesting, I have
: attended his concerts and bought his records (remember records?), but
: discussion of him belongs on his own newsgroup, not here.
Why shouldn't it belong on the rec.music.dementia newsgroup?
Yes, it does. I was posting from alt.music.j-s-bach, and it doesn't belong
there. That's what was being discussed, sorry if you came in in the
middle.
Bernie
b...@basistech.com
: : >: So why not discuss sports, politics, or tell jokes? PDQ Bach has
: : >: about as much to do with J. S. Bach. How about the works of writer
: : >: Richard Bach, or the Bach flower cure? Or Offenbach? They share as
: : >: much with J. S. Bach as does PDQ.
: : > Well, Bernard, I hate to burst your bubble, but I'd have to say
: : >that you're wrong on this one. If you had listened to a fairly recent
: : >recording, "1712 Overture and Other Musical Assaults", you would know
: : >that more than a few references were made about J.S. Bach throughout the
: : >recording. One of the titles on the recording is even called, "A Bach
: : >Portrait." Don't make foolish statements if you don't have all of the
: : >facts.
: : I finally decided that Martin Greenberg was engaging in the same kind
: : of satire as Professor Schickele is in his persona as p. D. Q. Bach.
: : Schickele could never do what he does if he did not have a complete
: : and thorough grounding in the music he is satirizing.
: Who is Martin Greenberg?
: Once again, I think PDQ Bach is very clever and interesting, I have
: attended his concerts and bought his records (remember records?), but
: discussion of him belongs on his own newsgroup, not here.
: Bernie
: b...@basistech.com
I think PDQ Bach is the lighter side of music, not the musical side
of comedy.
Barry