In Search of Jean-Baptiste Loeillet of Ghent
Flauto1
and pardon the intrusion of a non-Bach post, but I thought that the subscribers
of this newsgroup would most likely include those with the greatest knowledge
of the period.
I have signed up to do a modest program of two sonatas by the above
contemporary of Bach (1680-1728/30?) Opus 2, # 5, and Op. 4 # 6 (Moeck's No.32
edition). In making notes for the program, I would like to discuss the
existence of the two J-B's, J-B de Gant (this one) who went to London about
1705 and was known as John Loeillet or Luly -- not to be confused with the
earlier Lully-- and his cousin, J-B the other.
Nacy Toff has a nice discussion of the situation in her books, but I wondered
what the latest progress in sorting out the life and works of the family has
been. Also, I believe that J-B de Gant was the one who died a rich man, but
this might be incorrect.
Any references or amusing anecdotes would be helpful.
Thanks,
Harry
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Clavichord
(Flauto1) schreibt:
>Nacy Toff has a nice discussion of the situation in her books, but I wondered
>what the latest progress in sorting out the life and works of the family has
>been.
For whatever it's worth, the following is the comment made by Frans Vester in
"Flute music of the 18th century", Monteux (Musica Rara) 1985. At least the
bibliographical references might be useful, despit the age of the publication:
Loiellet Jena Baptiste (de Gant) [1688-1720]
A general confusion exists as to whether or not the names of Jean Baptiste
Loeillet (of Ghent) and John Loeillet (of London) refer to one and the same
person. There seems to be good reason for treating them as different composers
(See "The instrumental sonatas of the Loeillet's" by Alek Skempton in "Music
and Letters", July 1962, pp.206-217 and R.M.Janzen "Die Identitaet von
Jean-Baptiste Loiellet" in "Tibia" 1/82, pp. 1-6).
Michael
Michael Zapf (Germany) - clavi...@aol.com
Clavichord
>Any references or amusing anecdotes would be helpful.
>
OK here we go, all following references from Griscom/Lasocki "The Recorder",
New York/London (Garland) 1994, pp. 280-282.
1. Priestman, Brian "An Introduction to the Loeillets". The Consort 11
(7/1954),:18-26
2. Thomson, J.M. "An Introduction to the Loeillets and Particularly John". The
Rcoerder and Music Magazine 1, no.6 (8/1964): 183
3. Deane, Morag "John Loeillet of London". Recorder & Music 6, no. 8
(12/1979):226-29
4. Deane, Morag "Jacob (i.e. Jacques) Loeillet and Jean Baptiste Loeillet de
Gand". Recorder & Music 6, no. 10 (6/1980): 286-88
5. Janzen, Rose-Marie "The Loeillet Enigma". The Consort 39 (1983):502-6
(English version of reference quoted in my previous post)
6. Lasocki, David "A New Look at the Life od John Loeillet (1680-1730). The
Recorder and Music Magazine 8, no. 2 (6/1984).
Personally, I have only the last article in my shelves, but Griscom/Lasocki
give extended comments to these 6 articles in their book. Check it out in a
library, or buy it, if you are interested in recorder music, too. I find it
indispensable.
Clavichord
>J-B de Gant (this one) who went to London about
>1705 and was known as John Loeillet or Luly -- not to be confused with the
>earlier Lully-- and his cousin, J-B the other.
Mmmmm, it is "the other" who is the "de Gant". Rereading Lasocki's article, I
can much recommend it to you, it has all you need including anecdotes (the man
had a Raffael drawing in his possession when he died he was that wealthy). The
key paragraph re the identities is this:
"John Loeillet, the son of Jean Baptiste Francois Loiellet (1853-1685), a
surgeon, and his second wife Barbe (nee Buys), was born in Ghent and baptised
'Jean-Baptiste' at the St. Jacobskerk there on 18 November 1680. His brother
Jacob (Jacques), who also became a celebrated woodwind player, was born in
1685. After their father's death in 1684, the two brothers may have been
brought up by their uncle, Pierre Loeillet I (1651-1735), a violinist and
concertmaster in Ghent and the father of the other Jean-Baptiste Loeillet
(1688-1715), often called 'de Gant' to distinguish him from his cousin."
Clavichord
version. Sorry.
>"John Loeillet, the son of Jean Baptiste Francois Loiellet (1653-1685), a
>surgeon, and his second wife Barbe (nee Buys), was born in Ghent and baptised
>'Jean-Baptiste' at the St. Jacobskerk there on 18 November 1680. His brother
>Jacob (Jacques), who also became a celebrated woodwind player, was born in
>1685. After their father's death in 1685, the two brothers may have been