BWV 740
Edward K. Dunham
Vater" for 5 voices, 2 manuals and double pedal, is included as #62 in
the Peters edition of J. S. Bach's organ works, edited by Griepenkerl
(1847). In the foreword, he says it is "Nach einer Abschrift von
Gleichauf bei Schelble". I can't find it in the Neue Bach-Ausgabe
volume IV/3, which seems the logical place to look for it, and I find
no mention of it in the critical commentary to that volume.
Schmieder's Bach-Werke-Verzeichnis, of which I have only the 1950
edition, lists it without any information. I searched the Web and
Usenet via www.dejanews.com without finding any further information.
I am remote from any music library in which I think it likely I could
find out more about the piece.
On stylistic grounds--I'd be hard pressed to give an analysis--I can't
believe it's by J. S. Bach. Perhaps by one of his students, even
Wilhelm Friedemann. But I think it a lovely piece. Can anyone tell
me anything more about its authorship or history?
Ed Dunham
Ben Crick
<ekdu...@acadia.net> wrote:
[snippage]
> On stylistic grounds--I'd be hard pressed to give an analysis--I can't
> believe it's by J. S. Bach. Perhaps by one of his students, even
> Wilhelm Friedemann. But I think it a lovely piece. Can anyone tell
> me anything more about its authorship or history?
Peter Hurford thinks it was written by JSB's favourite pupil,
JL Krebs, or one of his contemporaries. It is a delightful slow
pastoral chorale prelude in five parts, including double 8' pedal,
in the key of F. It ends with a lovely dissonance and resolution.
The tune is to words not from the Creed, but from Luther's Trinity
hymn with a similar first line:
Wir glauben all' an einen Gott,
Schöpfer Himmels und der Erden,
Der sich zum Vater geben hat,
Daß wir seine Kinder werden. [usw; Martin Luther]
Can NE1 else tell us more?
Ben
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Edward K. Dunham <ekdu...@acadia.net> wrote in message
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> BWV 740, an organ chorale-prelude "Wir glauben all' an einen Gott,
> Vater" for 5 voices, 2 manuals and double pedal, is included as #62 in
> the Peters edition of J. S. Bach's organ works, edited by Griepenkerl
> (1847). In the foreword, he says it is "Nach einer Abschrift von
> Gleichauf bei Schelble". I can't find it in the Neue Bach-Ausgabe
> volume IV/3, which seems the logical place to look for it, and I find
> no mention of it in the critical commentary to that volume.
> Schmieder's Bach-Werke-Verzeichnis, of which I have only the 1950
> edition, lists it without any information. I searched the Web and
> Usenet via www.dejanews.com without finding any further information.
> I am remote from any music library in which I think it likely I could
> find out more about the piece.
>
> believe it's by J. S. Bach. Perhaps by one of his students, even
> Wilhelm Friedemann. But I think it a lovely piece. Can anyone tell
> me anything more about its authorship or history?
>
"Schelbe-Gleichauf" is an album of 140 various chorale settings (now lost)
attributed to J. S. Bach but which is riddled with "doubtful or inauthentic"
works (according to the BWV). BWV 740 was, as you rightly say, excluded from
the NBA but there still appears to be debate about it's authenticity - for
example, it appears in the 1998 BWV main catalogue (but with a note
explaining its doubtfulness). Peter Williams, in his 3 volume magnum opus,
says that it has at times been attributed to J. L. Krebs and that Spitta
attributed it to J. S. Bach, "working to Buxtehude models". Williams'
analysis shows that he is doubtful about attributing ot to Bach, on
stylistic grounds.
So, it's dubious, of the category that may never be resolved!
all the best,
Simon Crouch.
Edward K. Dunham
wrote:
>In article <8edm3soouloa3ajik...@4ax.com>, Edward K. Dunham
><ekdu...@acadia.net> wrote:
> [snippage]
>>[...]
>[...] The tune is to words not from the Creed, but from Luther's Trinity
> hymn with a similar first line:
>
> Wir glauben all' an einen Gott,
> Schöpfer Himmels und der Erden,
> Der sich zum Vater geben hat,
> Daß wir seine Kinder werden. [usw; Martin Luther]
That is Martin Luther's 1524 text based on the Nicene Creed and
associated with the tune used e.g. in part 3 of the Clavierübung (BWV
680 & 681). BWV 740, on the other hand, uses a different tune, one
associated with a 1668 text by Tobias Clausnitzer based on the
Apostles' Creed:
Wir glauben all an einen Gott,
Vater, Sohn, und heilign Geist,
Den der Cherubinen Rott
Und die Schaar der Engel preist,
Der durch seine grosse Krafft
Alles würket, thut und schafft.[...]
(Mark S. Bighley, The Lutheran chorales in the organ works of J. S.
Bach, St. Louis, MO, 1986, p 254)
Thanks for your reply to my query. I agree that the music sounds more
like Johann Ludwig Krebs than JSB.
Ed Dunham.
Gabriele Vallini
configuration is a cadenza on 48 notes (that's B*A*C*H). I don't believe
it's by J.L.Krebs, if the style is not BACH 100% it is really very far from
Krebs.
Gabriele
Gabriele Vallini
amazing and better fits Bach than played on the organ as normally is... i
would give what I don't own in order to know who the author was!!!
Gabriele