Rock Star SUPERNOVA: Finale (9/13/06)
Rarebird Nine
placed in the bottom two by viewer voting. First, Magni performs Jimi
Hendrix's "Fire" and kicks butt with it again. Second, Toby performs
Billy Idol's "White Wedding". Not bad, but he was better off doing
"Rebel Yell".
Magni is the first to be cut. Gilby tells him it is because he seems
more like he is part of a band than fronting a band. Whatever. I'm glad
Gilby said it instead of Tommy.
The final three (Lukas, Dilana, and Toby) make their final verbal
pitches to Supernova. During the commercial break that follows, a
commercial airs for the new season of "Survivor". For no apparent
reason, the commercial contains footage of Lukas singing "Headspin".
It's a not-so-subliminal message from Mark Burnett. Kinda like watching
the movie "Easy Rider" and you see the final shot before the movie is
over.
Next, the final three give their final performances. Lukas does the
Verve's "Bittersweet Symphony", and it's a cool-sounding, edgy
rendition. Dilana does the Cranberries' "Zombie", and it sounds better
than it did the first time she did it. Toby does the Killers' "Somebody
Told Me", and nails it.
Toby is cut next.
It's down to Lukas and Dilana. Tommy Lee claims that the final decision
was based on who got the most viewer votes. Likely story. Lukas gets
the gig.
As the runner-up, Dilana is asked to perform with the House Band on the
upcoming tour. Also, Gilby offers to help write and produce her CD. And
(of course) Dave Navarro says he'll play on it.
Then Navarro remembers that he "gots to get entertained up in this
bitch". Riiight. Look in the mirror, Dave. You're white.
The show closes with the now-complete Supernova performing their
originals "Be Yourself" (the one we heard Toby sing before) and "It's
All Love" (the one we heard Magni sing before). Magni plays guitar on
the latter. The songs still aren't great, but (for better or for worse)
Lukas Rossi seems to fit Supernova like a glove.
JXStern
wrote:
>The show closes with the now-complete Supernova performing their
>originals "Be Yourself" (the one we heard Toby sing before) and "It's
>All Love" (the one we heard Magni sing before). Magni plays guitar on
>the latter. The songs still aren't great, but (for better or for worse)
>Lukas Rossi seems to fit Supernova like a glove.
The disposable kind.
Thanks for the summary, I'll catch the show here on the left coast
when it airs, cuz y'know it's all about the journey.
And warm up the post production facilities for the vocal trax.
J.
The Chris
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First of all, they were just ordered to change that name since it's taken
by another band... I can't believe Lukas won.... I stand by my earlier
claim... Even when I was looking for singers for cover bands, I wouldn't
have picked that freak... Not with Dilana there...
However, he did sound good singing with them... Maybe I just hated the
Radiohead and Nirvana crap he sang...
annika1980
The Chris wrote:
>
> First of all, they were just ordered to change that name since it's taken
> by another band... I can't believe Lukas won.... I stand by my earlier
> claim... Even when I was looking for singers for cover bands, I wouldn't
> have picked that freak... Not with Dilana there...
>
You're in Vegas. Supernova (or whatever they'll be called) is playing
their highly-touted New Year's Eve show that evening. Dilana is
playing with her band across the street.
Your hotel has comped you with tickets to both shows. Which do you
attend?
BTW, if you answer incorrectly you'll be forced to listen to that
godawful "Headspin" on your iPod every day for a year.
69SScamaro
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Toby was awesome, but would have taken all the chicks away from the aging
Tommy Lee... so they didn't take him. So they picked the worst of the entire
competition, the one that Jason has been asking to stop singing like he
does. All the better maybe Toby will come out with a real band and perform
for years instead of a once and done tour with a bunch of has beens...
Locutus
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terrible, just terrible.
Lucas over sings everything (to compensate for the fact that he can't sing).
I would have been happy with either Toby or Dilana. Hopefully they will be
successful on their own. Supernova is a joke band anyway.
adaaric
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I would have picked any of the four finalists EXCEPT for Lukas.
Rockstar is batting 0 for 2 as far as I'm concerned. I can't stand J.D.
Fortune and I can't stand Lukas Rossi. I won't buy anything that
features either of them.
sea...@altavista.com
> Magni is the first to be cut. Gilby tells him it is because he seems
> more like he is part of a band than fronting a band. Whatever. I'm glad
> Gilby said it instead of Tommy.
They had to come up with some explanation for dumping him, I guess that
made as much sense as anything.
> The final three (Lukas, Dilana, and Toby) make their final verbal
> pitches to Supernova. During the commercial break that follows, a
> commercial airs for the new season of "Survivor". For no apparent
> reason, the commercial contains footage of Lukas singing "Headspin".
> It's a not-so-subliminal message from Mark Burnett. Kinda like watching
> the movie "Easy Rider" and you see the final shot before the movie is
> over.
I thought that might be a Mark Burnett misdirection play, like when
they always try to make us think somebody other than the obvious choice
is getting the boot on "Survivor." That was just wishful thinking on
my part.
It makes me wonder how far ahead the decision was really made. I kind
of doubt that they put that promo together between the time the show
taped and when it aired.
> The show closes with the now-complete Supernova performing their
> originals "Be Yourself" (the one we heard Toby sing before) and "It's
> All Love" (the one we heard Magni sing before). Magni plays guitar on
> the latter. The songs still aren't great, but (for better or for worse)
> Lukas Rossi seems to fit Supernova like a glove.
The songs did sound better to me, but I think it's because I recognized
them, not because of Lukas. I was tired of his voice by the time the
show ended, I'm not ready to listen to him for a whole album or
concert.
I guess we can start the speculation about who next year's band will be.
Jack Thompson
sea...@altavista.com wrote:
>
> I guess we can start the speculation about who next year's band will be.
Rockstar Kajagoogoo.
Ok, that would suck. But it would be fun to say.
Ra
"Jack Thompson" wrote
>> I guess we can start the speculation about who next year's band will be.
> Rockstar Kajagoogoo.
> Ok, that would suck. But it would be fun to say.
Rockstar: The Doors
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The Chris
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Probably Dilana... I have no loyalty to Tommy Lee, Newstead, or Clarke..
My opinion is that Dilana WAS the best singer there - like Suzie O'Neil(??)
and would be more entertaining.
WiNK
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Isn't Ian Astbury singing with them still? Oh, and I hope not....although I
would love to hear "Peace Frog" done on the show. ;-)
Peach
>
Obveeus
<sea...@altavista.com> wrote:
> Rarebird Nine wrote:
>
>> Magni is the first to be cut. Gilby tells him it is because he seems
>> more like he is part of a band than fronting a band. Whatever. I'm glad
>> Gilby said it instead of Tommy.
>
> They had to come up with some explanation for dumping him, I guess that
> made as much sense as anything.
Translation...it made no sense. They didn't want him because he seemed too
much like a part of the band? They are actually looking for someone that
will overshoadow them and look like a solo act with a backup band?
> It makes me wonder how far ahead the decision was really made. I kind
> of doubt that they put that promo together between the time the show
> taped and when it aired.
Several weeks ago the contestants were all asked to come up with some
original lyrics. Lukas showed up with part of a corus written and nothing
else. Gilby's quote was something like 'he didn't try, he didn't show up
with anything...because he knew he didn't have to'. I'd say that Lukas and
Gilby had both already decided he would win by that point.
> I guess we can start the speculation about who next year's band will be.
Let's hope they get a real band for next year...not a made up group of out
of work types looking to score on one free-TV-promoted tour before breaking
up and going their separate ways again.
This season was a sham...and I'd bet money that most of this season's
contestants signed a contract that included a clause that they would get to
sing 'their original' before being voted off. That was the only way to get
people to sign on this season...especially since the contract also likely
stated that the profit division for the person making the band would be
much, much less than 25% of the band's take. Front a band...get paid next
to nothing...know in advance that this 'band' won't last more than one
album/tour.
callen...@yahoo.com
> "Rarebird Nine" <rare...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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> > originals "Be Yourself" (the one we heard Toby sing before) and "It's
> > All Love" (the one we heard Magni sing before). Magni plays guitar on
> > the latter. The songs still aren't great, but (for better or for worse)
> > Lukas Rossi seems to fit Supernova like a glove.
> >
>
> Toby was awesome, but would have taken all the chicks away from the aging
> Tommy Lee... so they didn't take him. So they picked the worst of the entire
> competition, the one that Jason has been asking to stop singing like he
> does. All the better maybe Toby will come out with a real band and perform
> for years instead of a once and done tour with a bunch of has beens...
I want Toby and Magni to form a band. Now THAT I'd pay to see.
Callen in VA
Ra
> That was the only way to get people to sign on this season...
No.
It is a prime time network show, with a successful history.
NOTHING is required to get 'undiscovered' musicians to sign on.
They are all desperate for the exposure.
JXStern
Weird.
More below, and my post-mortem.
On 13 Sep 2006 18:26:55 -0700, "Rarebird Nine" <rare...@my-deja.com>
wrote:
>Out of the final four contestants, Magni and Toby (we are told) were
>placed in the bottom two by viewer voting. First, Magni performs Jimi
>Hendrix's "Fire" and kicks butt with it again. Second, Toby performs
>Billy Idol's "White Wedding". Not bad, but he was better off doing
>"Rebel Yell".
>
>Magni is the first to be cut. Gilby tells him it is because he seems
>more like he is part of a band than fronting a band. Whatever. I'm glad
>Gilby said it instead of Tommy.
OK. Magni's expression here, and Toby's below, was *b*o*r*e*d*o*m*.
Exsqueeze me? Either this thing was shot four ways in advance of
results, or there were multiple takes, or the contestants were told
the results in advance. Dilana tried to look surprised, the guys
didn't even try. Including SN. Tommy looked comatose.
Magni out first was bad news, cuz he was the only one of the four with
a recordable voice. Yeah, he never quite "fit the band", cuz he
seemed mature and well-balanced. Bummer, dude.
So, are we supposed to believe that the results as shown exactly
reflected the voting? But the whole system was built so the band
*could* override the popular vote. Did they just punk out here in the
finale? So it seems, from what we were told.
Or was Lukas wired in a month ago, about the time Storm was rained on?
>The final three (Lukas, Dilana, and Toby) make their final verbal
>pitches to Supernova. During the commercial break that follows, a
>commercial airs for the new season of "Survivor". For no apparent
>reason, the commercial contains footage of Lukas singing "Headspin".
>It's a not-so-subliminal message from Mark Burnett. Kinda like watching
>the movie "Easy Rider" and you see the final shot before the movie is
>over.
>
>Next, the final three give their final performances. Lukas does the
>Verve's "Bittersweet Symphony", and it's a cool-sounding, edgy
>rendition. Dilana does the Cranberries' "Zombie", and it sounds better
>than it did the first time she did it. Toby does the Killers' "Somebody
>Told Me", and nails it.
Yeah, OK.
>Toby is cut next.
"Toby, you have so much range (wrong), and we love you so, so
goodbye."
Wot gibberish was this? And he stands there stone-faced? Toby? Was
this whole sequence cut together in post? I think so. The body
language didn't even fit from scene to scene.
--
Um, exsqueeze me again, but somewhere around here I noticed something
I have not seen commented on, although Dilana is listed as from
Houston, obviously she's of foreign (South Africa) origin, Magni is
from Iceland, Lukas from Canada, and Toby from Oz, hey folks, Storm
was the last American contestant (wasn't she?), even Ryan was born in
Russia, I believe someone said. Nothing wrong with that, but it tis
mildly curious.
>It's down to Lukas and Dilana. Tommy Lee claims that the final decision
>was based on who got the most viewer votes. Likely story. Lukas gets
>the gig.
Wotever. I officially stopped caring when Storm got that massively
undeserved "wrong sauce" cold review a month ago, and stopped caring
further when none of the SN music was worth spit, and became
officially mystified when Ryan was eliminated. And it stopped
mattering when they (rightly) decided to take some number of the final
contestants on tour as openers. I still guess (and hope and suggest)
it may come to more than that, as time goes by.
Why would these paleo-rockers want to be fronted by a goth, esp a goth
who can't sing? Get out yer pop psychology hats. Answer below.
>As the runner-up, Dilana is asked to perform with the House Band on the
>upcoming tour. Also, Gilby offers to help write and produce her CD. And
>(of course) Dave Navarro says he'll play on it.
Just as they all promised to have Storm's children. Guys, you ain't
makin' a lick of sense. Must be rock and roll, or something.
>Then Navarro remembers that he "gots to get entertained up in this
>bitch". Riiight. Look in the mirror, Dave. You're white.
And faux prison-tat blue.
>The show closes with the now-complete Supernova performing their
>originals "Be Yourself" (the one we heard Toby sing before) and "It's
>All Love" (the one we heard Magni sing before). Magni plays guitar on
>the latter. The songs still aren't great, but (for better or for worse)
>Lukas Rossi seems to fit Supernova like a glove.
Well, maybe not. The performance video is slickly produced and Lukas
jumps and pivots like any good self-absorbed lead weiner, but it's all
completely generic flashing lights and white noise. I'd as soon
listen to a glove. Or Taylor Hicks. Soul patrol!
I'll say this, of the four finalists, just maybe Lukas has the
personality, as a guy, maybe even as a performer, most in sync with
the SN trio. They saw that right through his makeup. In fact, they
heard that right past his voice. And (pop-psychology warning) maybe
they were all most comfortable, after all, chosing someone unlike
themselves and incapable of succeeding on his/her own, like they
really had a choice (not), since all the contestants were 10, 20, 30
(?) years younger than the SN guys and in truth none did come from
mega-money big league bands, that's just the way it is.
I don't grok the whole goth thing - and neither does SN, I think.
Though on Dilana, it kind of works. OK, focus here. As a purveyor of
pre-chewed reality TV music, maybe Lukas really was the best choice,
no offense, dude. I wish them all good luck, I won't be in the
audience, but I was for the show, and all things considered I enjoyed
it and got my money's worth there!
Best wishes on the baby, Brooke!
J.
callen...@yahoo.com
> Rarebird Nine wrote:
>
> > Magni is the first to be cut. Gilby tells him it is because he seems
> > more like he is part of a band than fronting a band. Whatever. I'm glad
> > Gilby said it instead of Tommy.
>
> They had to come up with some explanation for dumping him, I guess that
> made as much sense as anything.
This is what I meant when I posted in the performance thread that I was
worried that "Hush" was too much a musician's song and too little a
singer's song. It gave them the ammunition they needed (like they were
going to change their minds anyway, ha).
I hope Judy will stop with the eating crow business. I didn't rub her
nose in the fact that Taylor won and the person who did (she who shall
not be named) is no longer here, so why take the low road?
I'm fine with the results because I don't really care about the band
SuperNova anyway. I like Metallica and G n R but it appears that the
music is going to be more on the lines of Motley Crue, which I don't
like. I think SuperNova will end soon, and the lead singer will be
left in the cold, so I'd prefer it be Lukas to Magni, Dilana or Toby.
However, if this whole thing has been a setup from day one that sucks,
and it's unfair to the fantastic singers who "lost" to this poseur.
Callen in VA
Obveeus
No it isn't. American Idol ahs a successful history. RockStar has one
previous season of lukewarm TV ratings and a resulting band that basically
went nowhere execept back to the catalog.
> NOTHING is required to get 'undiscovered' musicians to sign on.
> They are all desperate for the exposure.
They all risk alienating their actual band. They likely only went on the
show knowing that they were promised a chance to showcase 'their original'
and then get away from the fiasco band without having to commit to it.
Kittyn
>
><sea...@altavista.com> wrote:
>> Rarebird Nine wrote:
>>
>>> Magni is the first to be cut. Gilby tells him it is because he seems
>>> more like he is part of a band than fronting a band. Whatever. I'm glad
>>> Gilby said it instead of Tommy.
>>
>> They had to come up with some explanation for dumping him, I guess that
>> made as much sense as anything.
>
>Translation...it made no sense. They didn't want him because he seemed too
>much like a part of the band? They are actually looking for someone that
>will overshoadow them and look like a solo act with a backup band?
>
Yeah, although they told Ryan the night before he was eliminated that
he seemed like he was better as a solo act and was not acting like
part of a band. I don't think they could think of enough plausible
statements to throw out as excuses for cutting some of the people that
they did.
JXStern
>However, if this whole thing has been a setup from day one that sucks,
>and it's unfair to the fantastic singers who "lost" to this poseur.
Aw, come on now, Lukas does nothing for me, but why is he any more a
poseur than anyone else in the room, ok other than in quantity of
makeup, or maybe you meant it in a positive way, cuz really, I think
that's how it was looked on by SN!
J.
Ra
> "Ra" <use...@freetoys.com> wrote:
>> It is a prime time network show, with a successful history.
> No it isn't. American Idol ahs a successful history. RockStar has one previous season of lukewarm TV ratings and a resulting
> band that basically went nowhere execept back to the catalog.
Yes it is. The success of the band is irrelevant. The show is still on the air,
which is the definition of successful, in primetime network television.
American Idol is far beyond merely 'successful'. It is a major hit.
>> NOTHING is required to get 'undiscovered' musicians to sign on.
>> They are all desperate for the exposure.
> They all risk alienating their actual band. They likely only went on the show knowing that they were promised a chance to
> showcase 'their original' and then get away from the fiasco band without having to commit to it.
Lead singers aren't worried about their former bands.
It's the bands that are worried that the singer might not return.
Should they return, the band will be delighted with the added fame the exposure will bring.
Bands of unknown talented musicians are easier to find than good lead singers.
Look at the house band.
A person can become a great musician through hard work and practice.
They can purchase a great instrument.
A singer cannot buy a great instrument.
grosberg...@gmail.com
callen...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I want Toby and Magni to form a band. Now THAT I'd pay to see.
>
> Callen in VA
Maybe they can get Newsted to defect.
I still don't understand what he's doing with Clarke and Tommy Lee. He
was in Metallica for chrissake, I can't imagine him playing in a Glam
rock band, which is what the-band-that-was-once-Supernova is going to
be with Lucas fronting them.
Magni is probably going to have a CD out in the US soon, and I suspect
it's going to outsell Supernova's. I liked "When the Time Comes" from
the very first time I heard it. Not a great song, but it's a song that
makes you want to throw your hands in the air and jump up and down
while you're sitting at home watching TV.
Arthur Lipscomb
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They sounded better to me too. I think because I had heard them before and
there was an element of recognition.
trike
I scalp the tickets and go gamble, winning big, 'cause that music is
crap. On that whole series, I think I heard two songs I liked.
Doug
DK
predicted
the votes don't lie...the majority of the viewing/voting public
preferred Lukas, simple as that
what is being lost in a lot of this discussion is that it really isn't
about the band and its music...it's about a) television ratings and b)
milking the ratings for a post-show tour in that order
Obveeus
"Ra" <use...@freetoys.com> wrote:
> The success of the band is irrelevant. The show is still on the air,
> which is the definition of successful, in primetime network television.
Wrong.
> Lead singers aren't worried about their former bands.
Not former. Most of these people will be back playing with their old bands
by the end of the week...and it is quite likely that most of 'their
originals' were actually works penned by the band, not just them
individually. I maintain that most of these singers would not be on the
show if it actually meant permanently leaving their current band. Instead,
most of these singers were on the show this season to promote their current
band.
> Bands of unknown talented musicians are easier to find than good lead
> singers.
Given the studio abilities these days, almost any idiot can sing. Paris
Hilton, for example. When a band 'hits the road', the music usually drowns
out the singer and you get something crappy...like Lukas' singing.
> Look at the house band.
The best musicians in the world are often the ones that choose studio work
over touring. Why go on the road and have 'that life' when you can make
plenty of money and go home every night to a normal life?
> A person can become a great musician through hard work and practice.
Wrong. They can play the notes...but not be 'great'. Ever see the episode
of M*A*S*H with the pianist that had his hand injured...and the 'pep talk'
that Winchester gave him? That 'pep talk' was dead on correct.
> A singer cannot buy a great instrument.
They don't have to...multiple takes and studio remixing 'create' a good
voice even where there isn't one. then, when live performing...singing
ability doesn't matter much...especially for bands like Supernova where the
'performance' won't be about vocals.
Newk Indofman
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> As a purveyor of
> pre-chewed reality TV music, maybe Lukas really was the best choice,
> no offense, dude. I wish them all good luck, I won't be in the
> audience, but I was for the show, and all things considered I enjoyed
> it and got my money's worth there!
At the beginning, I thought Lukas would be the best choice, then through
most of the season, I was certain Magni would win it. Lukas has his
oddities, but he showed himself to be a powerful stage presence. He'd be
better off without the makeup. With some more coaching and experience, he'll
be great. I won't be buying the CD or getting tickets, but Lukas was the
most fun to watch this season.
Ra
> The best musicians in the world are often the ones that choose studio work over touring. Why go on the road and have 'that life'
> when you can make plenty of money and go home every night to a normal life?
That's ridiculous.
Musicians want recognition and money.
The studio fees are a pittance, compared to success as a performance artist.
The studio artists get very little credit, outside of the ranks of musicians.
Studio monsters such as Leon Russell and Glen Campbell eagerly embraced solo careers,
when the opportunity finally arose.
seeri...@yahoo.com
I think the appropriate term based on the judges ruling is "The group
formerly known as Supernova"; I had to FF through the last few minutes;
once Lukas (the Emo as my son called him) was chosen I didn't care
anymore. Not that besides Dilana or Toby there was anyone there worth
watching :)
Obveeus
"Ra" <use...@freetoys.com> wrote:
> "Obveeus" wrote
>
>> The best musicians in the world are often the ones that choose studio
>> work over touring. Why go on the road and have 'that life' when you can
>> make plenty of money and go home every night to a normal life?
>
> That's ridiculous.
> Musicians want recognition and money.
You are confused. Wannabee attention grabbers want recognition. Quality
musicians want to make quality music. They are two different groups with
some overlapping members, but wanting to be famous is most certainly not a
prerequisite for being a good musician.
> The studio fees are a pittance, compared to success as a performance
> artist.
A very large percentage of *really* financially successful musicians were
not 'very good' musicians. It is more often about 'the look' than 'the
ability'...and these days financial success for 'stars' has more to do with
dancing than singing.
aversiveness
> the "anti-Lukas" fan club (aka rec.arts.tv) goes home unhappy as
> predicted
>
> the votes don't lie...the majority of the viewing/voting public
> preferred Lukas, simple as that
>
Hmm.... did they post the vote totals anywhere? If not - you can't
accurately say that. All you know is that SN claims he had the highest
vote total of the final four. That could mean he got a mere 26% of the
vote.
> what is being lost in a lot of this discussion is that it really isn't
> about the band and its music...it's about a) television ratings and b)
> milking the ratings for a post-show tour in that order
>
Yep. I totally agree with this. A third thing is exposure for the
various contestants.
seeri...@yahoo.com
Rive...@direct.org wrote:
How about doing some research first (anyone heard of Google?) to see if
the name is being used elsewhere. Supernova was a major faux pas
because that band had actually been recorded and used in a movie sound
track.
aversiveness
get inflicted with the Dinosaurs-that-are-SN. As much as I think his
singing sucks - Yay! That means Magni & Dilana & Tobi can go out and
sing *decent* music.
Magni, in my opinion, was clearly the best pure singer of the whole
bunch. His rendition of Creep totally blew away Lukas' version.
Maybe not the best performer (Dilana) and certainly by no stretch of
the imagination did I ever think he was a good fit for S/N. I will
probably buy his music but I can't imagine ever dropping a dime for any
music by the band formerly known as SuperNova.
Tobi will probaly do all right as well. They already marketed his
original song a bunch so he gets a little kick start out the door.
Boy - don't they face a hell of stupid tour-marketing confusion mess to
overcome now that they have to change the name *after* the show? What
a blunder by the producers.
They can at least still use SuperNova in the CD title, because titles
of works (books, songs, etc) are not restricted by trademark or
copyright (although you still have to becareful of libelous or
fraudulent allusion).
What a stupid, stupid oversight.
Oh well - it was fun. Ta-ta y'all!
Ra
"Obveeus" wrote
> "Ra" <use...@freetoys.com> wrote:
>> Musicians want recognition and money.
> You are confused. Wannabee attention grabbers want recognition.
Sorry. You are too stupid and naive, for me to continue in this discussion.
TySoho
"Rarebird Nine" <rare...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
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>
> pitches to Supernova. During the commercial break that follows, a
> commercial airs for the new season of "Survivor". For no apparent
> reason, the commercial contains footage of Lukas singing "Headspin".
> It's a not-so-subliminal message from Mark Burnett. Kinda like watching
> the movie "Easy Rider" and you see the final shot before the movie is
> over.
>
I'm glad someone else noticed this. When that commercial came on I was
rolling on the floor laughing. You've got to believe that someone's head
rolled at CBS this morning. I find it hard to believe that the commercial
was meant to air before the show was over. That little incident has got to
make you question reality TV cred even more than before. Well, if that is
possible ;O)
TY
karenftx
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If you watched Jason carefully during the show, he wasn't happy. His face
said it all when TL said Lukas won. And he didn't smile on stage while
playing with him either. Or at the end of the show.
Man just doesn't like Lukas at all. But from what I hear, TL and Gilby
especially pushed for him.
karenftx
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My son called him that as well. But the posters on here disagreed.
Funny how teens who will actually buy this music got on to Lukas long ago.
Doesn't say much for the sales, does it?
flkofcguls
> >
> > I think the appropriate term based on the judges ruling is "The group
> > formerly known as Supernova"; I had to FF through the last few minutes;
> > once Lukas (the Emo as my son called him) was chosen I didn't care
> > anymore. Not that besides Dilana or Toby there was anyone there worth
> > watching :)
> >
>
> My son called him that as well. But the posters on here disagreed.
>
> Funny how teens who will actually buy this music got on to Lukas long ago.
> Doesn't say much for the sales, does it?
I referred to him all summer as "The Angry Inch."
Ra
> If you watched Jason carefully during the show, he wasn't happy. His face said it all when TL said Lukas won. And he didn't
> smile on stage while playing with him either. Or at the end of the show.
> Man just doesn't like Lukas at all. But from what I hear, TL and Gilby especially pushed for him.
Wasn't Newstead the only one to give Lukas a standing ovation,
after his last performance before the decision?
Asya Kamsky
<grosberg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Maybe they can get Newsted to defect.
>I still don't understand what he's doing with Clarke and Tommy Lee. He
>was in Metallica for chrissake, I can't imagine him playing in a Glam
>rock band, which is what the-band-that-was-once-Supernova is going to
>be with Lucas fronting them.
Wait, hold on. He is a good musician but he was the replacement
bassist for Metallica, and he's done plenty of more obscure projects
since -- his Q rating is nowhere near Tommy's.
I saw Jason play at a very small club in Berkeley (with the Moss Brothers)
and there were maybe a dozen or two Metallica fans in the audience.
The rest were there to see a couple of kids. I think if Tommy was
there, the place would have been packed with screaming girls.
>Magni is probably going to have a CD out in the US soon, and I suspect
I hope so, cause I'd probably buy it.
--
Asya Kamsky
"San Francisco isn't what it used to be, and it never was." -- Herb Caen
DK
guess...I thought Lukas' was more effective.
I don't disagree that Magni was a solid singer...he brought a lot of
great performances. But Lukas was simply a better fit for the
band...IMO, this was apparent from week 1, when he gave arguably the
best performance of the entire competition with his cranked up version
of Rebel Yell (and he didn't need 'chicks' on stage like Toby).
Let's be serious here...Lukas is not getting "inflicted" with the
dinosaurs that are Supernova. These dinosaurs all come from hugely
successful bands that commanded ridiculous ratings for a
summer-scheduled program. He will get exposure that he could only
dream of when he was flipping chicken wings at Hooters.
Dilana, Toby, Magni - as solid performers as they are, they will no
doubt benefit from their exposure but in comparison to Lukas, will
disappear into the sunset. That's pop/rock culture, baby...
fille
seeri...@yahoo.com wrote:
> I think the appropriate term based on the judges ruling is "The group
> formerly known as Supernova"; I had to FF through the last few minutes;
> once Lukas (the Emo as my son called him) was chosen I didn't care
> anymore. Not that besides Dilana or Toby there was anyone there worth
> watching :)
I did the same - FF right after 10 seconds of Lukas singing with
Supernova. I'm disappointed that Dilana didn't win but will be happy if
she puts out something that we can get our hands on in the US. About
the only thing I can say for Supernova's choice of Lukas is that I'll
have an extra $15. in my pocket as I won't be buying the CD. Happy for
those that are fans of Lukas but he's not my cup of tea and the rest of
Supernova doesn't move me enough either.
fille
flkofcguls wrote:
> I referred to him all summer as "The Angry Inch."
flk - can't wait till you come back full time. You're already cracking
me up and I want more, damn it!!!!! Take care till we see you back on
here with your great AI recaps!
~fille (formerly known as "sokpupetz")
tradervik
> "Jack Thompson" wrote
>
>>> I guess we can start the speculation about who next year's band will be.
>
>> Ok, that would suck. But it would be fun to say.
>
>
>
> Rockstar: The Doors
Rockstar: The Beatles
Asya Kamsky
Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>Several weeks ago the contestants were all asked to come up with some
>original lyrics. Lukas showed up with part of a corus written and nothing
>else.
That's incorrect. He showed up with first verse and chorus written.
No other verses.
And your statement about Rockstar having weak ratings last year was
also incorrect. Their ratings started out weak and kept building
throughout the season.
sea...@altavista.com
DK wrote:
> Magni's version of Creep better than Lukas? A matter of opinion, I
> guess...I thought Lukas' was more effective.
>
> I don't disagree that Magni was a solid singer...he brought a lot of
> great performances. But Lukas was simply a better fit for the
> band...IMO, this was apparent from week 1, when he gave arguably the
> best performance of the entire competition with his cranked up version
> of Rebel Yell (and he didn't need 'chicks' on stage like Toby).
If Lukas is the best fit for this band, the world changed when I wasn't
paying attention. Lukas is the type of guy than fans of their former
bands used to beat up in high school.
flkofcguls
Asya Kamsky wrote:
> In article <eebkvm$ian$1...@registered.motzarella.org>,
> Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
> >Several weeks ago the contestants were all asked to come up with some
> >original lyrics. Lukas showed up with part of a corus written and nothing
> >else.
>
> That's incorrect. He showed up with first verse and chorus written.
> No other verses.
>
> And your statement about Rockstar having weak ratings last year was
> also incorrect. Their ratings started out weak and kept building
> throughout the season.
> --
> Asya Kamsky
The ratings situation last year was that the show was on three times a
week. The first ep of the week was the stuff that's now being shown on
the webisodes, the singers rehearsing, choosing songs, etc... then the
other two shows were what you saw this season. That first episode was
doing very poorly in comparison to performance night and results night,
but they had made a commitment to show it so they moved it over to a
sister station, VH-1. The ratings for the othert two segments last
year were decent, but unspectacular, kind of like this year. Whereas I
knew a lot of people who watched Idol, I had a tough time finding
anyone to chat with about Rock Star this summer. My trainer and one
friend and that was it! It will be interesting to see how that
translates into sales. last year, the INXS CD did pretty well,
considering. They had a top 20 single and album and the album went
gold (in the US), but where they really made their money was touring.
That tour sold out everywhere. But they got someone who sounded like
Michael Hutchence and they had the nostalgia factor, as well as a
pretty good current musical representation, so you didn't necessarily
have to have watched Rock Star to go see them on tour. I didn't really
watch, yet I bought the CD and went to one of their shows.
With Supernova, you've got lackluster music, a show that really didn't
pull in a whole lot of viewers and more grousing about their choice of
singer than not, plus no back catalogue to rely upon. I think the
success or failure of this tour/CD will influence future seasons of
Rock Star. CBS supposedly renewed it for next summer, but something
tells me they better get an already established band or it could be
their last.
Obveeus
"Asya Kamsky" <as...@shell4.bayarea.net> wrote:
> Obveeus <Obv...@aol.com> wrote:
>>Several weeks ago the contestants were all asked to come up with some
>>original lyrics. Lukas showed up with part of a corus written and nothing
>>else.
>
> That's incorrect. He showed up with first verse and chorus written.
> No other verses.
So, he showed up with a half assed partially written song whereas everyone
else came prepared...and the response from Gilby was that Lukas showed up
without a song because he knew he didn't have to try. It was a telling
statement.
> And your statement about Rockstar having weak ratings last year was
> also incorrect.
Wrong again. Rockstar has crappy ratings. It is not a success, it is a
mediocre time filler for the summer. It is especially sucky if you think
about the fact that it is a rip off of American Idol, done with singers
having vastly more experience/talent; yet 1/3rd or less the audience is
being drawn in.
Obveeus
I disagree. The CD didn't even go platinum. The sales were mediocre at
best for an established band like INXS.
> They had a top 20 single
Not in the USA they didn't. The song stalled out at #37.
> and album and the album went
> gold (in the US), but where they really made their money was touring.
Yep, the tour did well. The success was based almost totally on long time
fans wanting to relive the old days (same reason that a bunch of other old
timer bands have recently started touring again). The tour was not
successful as a result of the TV show. It was successful because the band
had a big catalog of quality music and an established fanbase.
> With Supernova, you've got lackluster music, a show that really didn't
> pull in a whole lot of viewers and more grousing about their choice of
> singer than not, plus no back catalogue to rely upon.
Exactly. ...and now they may nopt even be able to use the 'Supernova' name.
Will fans seek them out at all after the first few weeks of TV show based
hype/sales?
>I think the success or failure of this tour/CD will influence future
>seasons of
> Rock Star. CBS supposedly renewed it for next summer, but something
> tells me they better get an already established band or it could be
> their last.
I agree that that is the real key. They need a *real* band to carry this
show.
Jack Thompson
Obveeus wrote:
>
> > And your statement about Rockstar having weak ratings last year was
> > also incorrect.
>
> Wrong again. Rockstar has crappy ratings. It is not a success, it is a
> mediocre time filler for the summer.
Not sure about INXS, but Supernova's ratings were not crappy or
mediocre at all. While it finishes in the 30s generally overall, it
usually finishes in the Top Ten in the key young demographics. It was
second last week among adults 18-34 and 18-49. So CBS hardly considers
the ratings crappy. They'd be thrilled with a few more like it.
>It is especially sucky if you think
> about the fact that it is a rip off of American Idol, done with singers
> having vastly more experience/talent; yet 1/3rd or less the audience is
> being drawn in.
Anything next to American Idol is going to look poor in comparison.
It's the #1 show by far and crushes anything that goes against it.
Rockstar brings the young audience that networks crave. It is a ratings
success.
Obveeus
"Jack Thompson" <jacques...@aol.com> wrote:
> Not sure about INXS, but Supernova's ratings were not crappy or
> mediocre at all. While it finishes in the 30s generally overall, it
> usually finishes in the Top Ten in the key young demographics. It was
> second last week among adults 18-34 and 18-49. So CBS hardly considers
> the ratings crappy. They'd be thrilled with a few more like it.
It is usually 3rd in viewers...and that is up against some other programs
that cost nothing (reruns) to make. Would you rather have 'zero cost' and
come in with mediocre ratings or spend money on a new show to come in 3rd?
Rockstar isn't a ratings failure, but it isn't a success, either. It is
summer filler and would not make it as a fall/spring program.
flkofcguls
Obveeus wrote:
> "flkofcguls" <flkof...@aol.com> wrote:
> > last year, the INXS CD did pretty well, considering.
>
> I disagree. The CD didn't even go platinum. The sales were mediocre at
> best for an established band like INXS.
>
> > They had a top 20 single
>
> Not in the USA they didn't. The song stalled out at #37.
>
> > and album and the album went
> > gold (in the US), but where they really made their money was touring.
>
> Yep, the tour did well. The success was based almost totally on long time
> fans wanting to relive the old days (same reason that a bunch of other old
> timer bands have recently started touring again). The tour was not
> successful as a result of the TV show. It was successful because the band
> had a big catalog of quality music and an established fanbase.
Except for the single position, you pretty much parroted everything I
stated in my previous post. I said the CD went gold, I said the tour
was successful but not because of the show. Snip much?
g...@maki.ca
(hah!) recap is much delayed for the finale.
Can sum it up thusly: Anti climatic.
Rarebird Nine wrote:
> Out of the final four contestants, Magni and Toby (we are told) were
> placed in the bottom two by viewer voting. First, Magni performs Jimi
> Hendrix's "Fire" and kicks butt with it again. Second, Toby performs
> Billy Idol's "White Wedding". Not bad, but he was better off doing
> "Rebel Yell".
Were these guys told what to sing, or did they have a choice? I can
see Magni choosing "Fire" again, but Toby's White Wedding is only OK.
Not sure what I'd have chosen (Rebel Yell, as Rarebird Nine says would
have been better).
I was, though, hoping for different songs, or at least songs that each
performer hadn't already done. I've seen Magni do "Fire", and Toby do
two Billy Idol songs. Can't they leave us with something new?
> Magni is the first to be cut. Gilby tells him it is because he seems
> more like he is part of a band than fronting a band. Whatever. I'm glad
> Gilby said it instead of Tommy.
Hubbawhah!??! He's not right for Supernova because he becomes part of
the band, and doesn't front them? Makes no sense. Think of a better
reason to dismiss the best vocalist on the show. Hey, even, "Dude,
you're awesome, but we don't think you're right for us." You know,
something a little honest.
Just goes to show that Supernova will be a collection of personalities,
and not a tightly integrated band, if they don't want a singer who can
be 'part of the band'.
> The final three (Lukas, Dilana, and Toby) make their final verbal
> pitches to Supernova. During the commercial break that follows, a
> commercial airs for the new season of "Survivor". For no apparent
> reason, the commercial contains footage of Lukas singing "Headspin".
> It's a not-so-subliminal message from Mark Burnett. Kinda like watching
> the movie "Easy Rider" and you see the final shot before the movie is
> over.
Thank the PVR for fast forward goodness.
When they did the little recaps, it was obvious who the winner would
be. For Lukas' recap, they played "Creep", one of his best
performances. For Dilana, they chose "Time After Time", which is OK,
but not a good showcase for a rock performer. Ditto Toby with, uh,
what's that song again? I've forgotten already.
Toby gets the line of the night. On the reasons to pick him, he says
"Also, I'm the tallest". He also had the best line of the entire
season after Dialan ran around the pool. "I didn't even want that
song". Love the guy's sense of humour.
> Next, the final three give their final performances. Lukas does the
> Verve's "Bittersweet Symphony", and it's a cool-sounding, edgy
> rendition. Dilana does the Cranberries' "Zombie", and it sounds better
> than it did the first time she did it. Toby does the Killers' "Somebody
> Told Me", and nails it.
I still think Ty did the best "Somebody Told Me" on either Rockstar
(and then got unjustly raked over the coals for being too good a
performer). Toby's was good, but I can't help but compare it to Ty's.
I still don't like Dilana's "Zombie", at least, not nearly as much as
the original. She did a good job, but I just like the original too
much to hear a version that's close, but not quite, (This would apply
to anyone singing the song, not just Dilana)
Lukas did his standard Lukas on "Bittersweet Symphony". If you like
Lukas, you liked it. If not, it's not going to change your mind about
him.
> Toby is cut next.
Toby claims that they made the "safe choice", since he just became
greate, while D & L were already great. Maybe accurate -- D & L had
strong performances since day 1, but the rest of the contenders quickly
caught up to them, and they couldn't maintain their lead at all.
Pretty classy exit. I have no doubt he's going to make it big Down
Under. Is Juke Cartel still a going concern?
> It's down to Lukas and Dilana.
Is Brooke blonde? She says that Lukas and Dilana had the highest
number of votes cast. Well, duh! They weren't in the bottom two, were
they? "Hello audience, we're think you don't know simple math, so will
say inane things to you."
> Tommy Lee claims that the final decision
> was based on who got the most viewer votes. Likely story. Lukas gets
> the gig.
We'll never know. I doubt that auditors will be called in. And since
anyone can vote any number of times, it's a simple matter for Supernova
to simply hire folks to vote for Lukas en mass.
And the Canadians are 2 - 0 on Rockstar. We rock, verity.
> As the runner-up, Dilana is asked to perform with the House Band on the
> upcoming tour. Also, Gilby offers to help write and produce her CD. And
> (of course) Dave Navarro says he'll play on it.
Seems like Dave will play on anything. I'm waiting for him to do the
jingle on the next Juicy Fruit commercial.
> The show closes with the now-complete Supernova performing their
> originals "Be Yourself" (the one we heard Toby sing before) and "It's
> All Love" (the one we heard Magni sing before). Magni plays guitar on
> the latter. The songs still aren't great, but (for better or for worse)
> Lukas Rossi seems to fit Supernova like a glove.
Call me crazy, but I'm almost certain that the two Supernova tracks had
massive 'back tracks' going on there, or were cleaned up severly in
post-production. The 'talky parts' of "Be Yourself" sounded too
cleaned -- almost studio polished. Also, unlike most performances, the
camera very rarely focused on Lukas' face, and when it was, his mouth
was often obscured by the microphone. Was this overdubbed to make the
band sound better?
At any rate, Lukas does sound quite good with the band -- probably the
best the band sounded with their new songs. Of course, if it was
studio polished, that probably explains it.
I hope Lukas saves up his money from this gig -- I doubt it's going to
be a multi-record deal. But goog luck to them.
Obveeus
So, where you said something wrong I corrected you and where you said
something right I agree with you. What's your problem with that? ...or are
you only used to seeing people disagree with everything you post?
TeleAddictus
Rockstar: Queen
Wanda
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>
> tradervik wrote:
>> Ra wrote:
>> > "Jack Thompson" wrote
>>
>> Rockstar: The Beatles
>
> Rockstar: Queen
>
Blasphemers, all of you!!!!!!
JXStern
Rockstar: Elvis
Ian J. Ball
"TeleAddictus" <telead...@gmail.com> wrote:
What we really need is:
Rockstar: Betty Blowtorch
--
"Read less. More TV." - Dr. Greg House, "House"
http://homepage.mac.com/ijball/TV-Blog/
Rarebird Nine
Obveeus wrote:
> "flkofcguls" <flkof...@aol.com> wrote:
> > last year, the INXS CD did pretty well, considering.
>
> I disagree. The CD didn't even go platinum. The sales were mediocre at
> best for an established band like INXS.
The band considered the album a success. It went platinum in Australia;
that made them happy. It's true that it didn't go platinum in the U.S.,
but they haven't had a platinum album in the U.S. since 1990. "Switch"
at least sold better than "Full Moon, Dirty Hearts", "Elegantly Wasted"
and "Live Baby Live" at the time of their releases. INXS were (and
possibly still are) considered has-beens. The show gave their catalogue
sales a big boost. At one point while the show was on the air, "The
Best Of INXS" was the #1 Catalogue album on Billboard's chart. As far
as I know, no one at their record label(s) has complained.
> Yep, the tour did well. The success was based almost totally on long time
> fans wanting to relive the old days (same reason that a bunch of other old
> timer bands have recently started touring again). The tour was not
> successful as a result of the TV show. It was successful because the band
> had a big catalog of quality music and an established fanbase.
That's part of the reason. But, as I recall, they played sold-out shows
all across the U.S. early this year, in mid-sized venues or bigger.
That was probably their most successful tour of the States since the
very early '90's. I definitely think the show boosted their ticket
sales a great deal.
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Okay, I just had a stroke or I would answer that :-) Y'all are killin me!
John
JXStern
>> Rockstar: Queen
>>
>Rockstar: Nirvana
Rockstar: Hole
WiNK
Rockstar: Ringo Starr
Rockstar: Badfinger? heh
Peach
Asya Kamsky
flkofcguls <flkof...@aol.com> wrote:
>With Supernova, you've got lackluster music, a show that really didn't
>pull in a whole lot of viewers and more grousing about their choice of
>singer than not, plus no back catalogue to rely upon.
Your analysis was right on, except for one more thing: INXS booked
medium size venues and sold them out. Supernova booked some stadiums.
I can't see them coming close to selling them out. Even with all
the contestants (or especially with them) they are no AI finalists.
>CBS supposedly renewed it for next summer, but something
>tells me they better get an already established band or it could be
>their last.
I heard they were trying to build a show around the house band. I
can't believe it would be Rockstar: The House Band, but who knows.
fille
Rockstar: Spinal Tap!!!
No Dinks
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Well, I suppose that could work, but then, they would be auditioning
drummers, wouldn't they????
Obveeus
I hear that The Jackson Five need someone to replace Michael.
WiNK
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"You can't really dust for vomit." ;-)
Peach
dwjones45
blows out his brains just like kurt cobain.
fille
No Dinks wrote:
> "fille" <fille...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > Rockstar: Spinal Tap!!!
> >
>
> Well, I suppose that could work, but then, they would be auditioning
> drummers, wouldn't they????
My second choice? Rockstar: The Partridge Family :-o
Newk Indofman
Let's open up the competition to Sims, Mickey Mouse, Snow White, Gumby,
Smurfs, Wile E. Coyote and Pluto.
RockStar: The Archies
(hosted by 2D)
No Dinks
VH1 already did that. Teddy Geiger was one of the contestants - so far he
seems to be coming out okay career-wise. As long as he stays away from
Kristin Cavallari!
Tzigaane
Aaaaaiiiiieeeeeeeearrrrrrgggghhhh!!!!! <spew> Hahahahahaha!!!!
Ok, that about sums it up, eh?
tzigaane
Jack Thompson
Asya Kamsky wrote:
>
> Your analysis was right on, except for one more thing: INXS booked
> medium size venues and sold them out. Supernova booked some stadiums.
> I can't see them coming close to selling them out. Even with all
> the contestants (or especially with them) they are no AI finalists.
>
They didn't book any stadiums. Perhaps you mean arenas (the AI tour
plays arenas) and they did book a few of those.
The members of the band did say the winner would be playing "huge
stadiums" in early statements, but that seems to be a common
exaggeration.
fille
Newk Indofman wrote:
> "fille" <fille...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > My second choice? Rockstar: The Partridge Family :-o
>
> Let's open up the competition to Sims, Mickey Mouse, Snow White, Gumby,
> Smurfs, Wile E. Coyote and Pluto.
>
> RockStar: The Archies
Oh, I LOVE that idea!!! ;-)
fille
No Dinks wrote:
> "fille" <fille...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > My second choice? Rockstar: The Partridge Family :-o
> >
>
> VH1 already did that. Teddy Geiger was one of the contestants - so far he
> seems to be coming out okay career-wise. As long as he stays away from
> Kristin Cavallari!
Damn VH1 - they are always stealing my best ideas!!