ani difranco
PHHMrktng
I was talking to a friend whom I going to the ani de franco concert with
on March 4th, and she said that at the last concert ani announced that the
song "fuckin napolean" was about amy ray and how she sold out. what is
that all about...amy is the anti-christ of selling out .. I can't even
fathom where she got that idea from.
does anyone know.
i love no other human (that I do not know personally) than amy and
comments like that make me want to drop ani like a bad habit !!!!!!
JB
Personally, I seriously doubt that Ani would have the bad taste to name
names on stage, even if she DID write the song with Amy in mind, which I
seriously doubt. Ani has not only been an outspoken advocate of women in
music, but has given several interviews where she speaks of people who
were unkind to her or had big egos that she encountered over the years.
In all of those interviews, she never named names.
I sincerely doubt the truth of your friend's report. Besides, Sara
Lee, obviously a close friend of Amy's, is Ani's bass player on this
current tour- a relationship that I doubt would exist if Ani were down
on Amy and bagging on her in public.
John B.
TheKirks
I don't know, as much as I hate to think that Ani has a grudge against
Amy, she probably did say that. I mean "Napoleon" is Ani's reactions to
a woman who has come to her for sympathy, after realizing that her major
label record deal wasn't as great as she thought it would be. She is
dissastified; she has little control over the music, and figures that
Ani, being the anti-major label queen, will help her cope. Ani is
resentful to her (Amy?) because when she first got the deal, she had
been trying to make Ani believe that the record company was great, and
she had told Ani that she had no chance of being successful (money wise)
with her "homegrown" label, and that no one would ever hear her
records. Ani was NOT ready to throw a pity party for this person... I
mean, the girl sold out, insulted Ani, and then came crying to her for
pity. I mean, THAT is a major sellout. It's one thing to decide to
work with a major label, it's another thing to bitch and moan about
it... (I hope some of that made sense)
Anyway, I think Ani wrote this song around the same time Amy decided to
start her own label, Daemon Records. So, maybe this has no basis in
actual logic, but I think the pieces kinda fit together. And as much as
I love the Indigo Girls, if any of this is true, I gotta side with
Ani.
Steffi
Kristina Cizas
TheKirks (thek...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
: I don't know, as much as I hate to think that Ani has a grudge against
: Amy, she probably did say that. I mean "Napoleon" is Ani's reactions to
: a woman who has come to her for sympathy, after realizing that her major
Actually, there's no indication whether the person Ani is singing about
is a man or a woman.
It's amazing to me how rumours like this get started (and perpetuated).
Considering Amy wrote a song for/about Ani that will be on the new album
("Hey Kind Friend") and has not only been spotted at a number of Ani
shows but has also been invited to perform some songs with her at
concerts, I'd have to seriously doubt the proposition.
Re Amy and Daemon - Daemon was started by Amy number of years before
Ani wrote Napoleon (the first time I heard her perform the song was
spring of '95... Daemon has been in existence at least since '91). Amy is
a tireless advocate for independent labels.
The internet is full of enough blatantly false information - let's try
not to spread it here too.
Kristina
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Kristina Cizas "Trust only movement.
kci...@cgrg.ohio-state.edu Life happens at the level of events
not of words. Trust movement."
~~~~~~~~~ -Alfred Adler
"Don't be icky, and don't perpetuate
or participate in a system that
allows people to be icky
to each other." -Ani Difranco
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Robert and Frances Egan
Kristina's right - Ani and Amy are good friends, and this rumor could
not possibly be true, especially because Amy wrote such an excellent
review of "Dilate", the album that the song is on.
My 2 cents,
Fran E.
kci...@cgrg.ohio-state.edu (Kristina Cizas) writes:
>
>TheKirks (thek...@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
>: I don't know, as much as I hate to think that Ani has a grudge
>: against Amy, she probably did say that. I mean "Napoleon" is Ani's
>: reactions to a woman who has come to her for sympathy, after
>: realizing that her major
>
>Actually, there's no indication whether the person Ani is singing
>about is a man or a woman.
>
>It's amazing to me how rumours like this get started (and
>perpetuated). Considering Amy wrote a song for/about Ani that will be
>on the new album ("Hey Kind Friend") and has not only been spotted at
>a number of Ani shows but has also been invited to perform some songs
>with her at concerts, I'd have to seriously doubt the proposition.
>
>Re Amy and Daemon - Daemon was started by Amy number of years before
>Ani wrote Napoleon (the first time I heard her perform the song was
>spring of '95... Daemon has been in existence at least since '91). Amy
>is a tireless advocate for independent labels.
>
>The internet is full of enough blatantly false information - let's try
>not to spread it here too.
>
>Kristina
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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JB
I don't know where you get your interpretation of "Napoleon" from, but I
certainly don't think you can claim it to be the authoritative
interpretation.
I also question the claim that Amy has no control over the music the
IG's put out. They are often interviewed and I have never read an
interview, nor heard one, where they complained about being unable to
record the music they want, being pressured by the company etc.. In
fact, I have heard to the contrary. Amy was very much in the driver's
seat with the decision to release "touch me fall" as a single from Swamp
Ophelia.
Starting Daemon may have had as much to do with the desire to help
others as anything else. It is not a label producing Amy Ray solo
albums, which is what one would expect if she was dissatisfied with her
current label.
I think that it is harmful to spread rumors of this sort. Besides,
Ani is being accused of something without any substantiation of any
kind, just hearsay.
I have heard from others on this list that Amy and Ani are close
friends and that Amy accompanied Ani et al on the tour bus during Ani's
recent tour of the US.
This song "napolean" is, I believe, much older than the Daemon label,
and probably than Ani and Amy's friendship. I don't know where you came
up with this detailed interpretation (and I don't think Ani's songs,
like the IG's songs, have or are intended to have, only one
interpretation) but I think you just pulled it out of thin air. However,
your post reads as though this was just a common fact and not your
opinion. I personally don't see this interpretation in the lyric of this
song.
Just My opinion.
John
Tenaciou...@worldnet.att.net
For the record.....
Amy and Ani have only know each other for a little
over a year. They met when Sara Lee played for
Ani.
It was during Amy's "year off" period and she and
Ani became friends. Since Amy knew Sara she
traveled a bit with them and even performed at
a couple of Ani's shows
TT
TheKirks
Okay, that's cool. I didn't mean to be starting any rumors or anything,
I was just speculating on what may have happened. Sorry if I upset
anyone...
Steffi
Candice Gohn
>
FYI...Amy's new song 'Hey Kind Friend' was written on the Northwest leg
of Ani's 96 tour.
-greta
"Amy Ray...Pretty good for a girl." -E. Sailers
Martin J. Slover
JB (cb...@falcon.cc.ukans.edu) wrote:
: I also question the claim that Amy has no control over the music the
: interview, nor heard one, where they complained about being unable to
: record the music they want, being pressured by the company etc.. In
: fact, I have heard to the contrary. Amy was very much in the driver's
: seat with the decision to release "touch me fall" as a single from Swamp
: Ophelia.
Very much right John. I don't think they would have stayed with Epic for
as long as they have if they hadn't been able to control a good portain
of their careers. They are not a girl group ala the 60's and the Phil
Ramone wall of sound period. They have a good management group behind
them that struck a very nice deal with the label. I'd give them a lot of
credit for being able work with Russell Carter and Roger Klein (the man
responsible for signing them) and get what they have now.
: Starting Daemon may have had as much to do with the desire to help
: others as anything else. It is not a label producing Amy Ray solo
: albums, which is what one would expect if she was dissatisfied with her
: current label.
:
And it is has been said time and time again by Amy that Daemon was set up
to offer folks a chance. It developed from the ashes (or so I do believe)
of another small Atlanta label called Hetzel Records (run by former
listserv admin Dorn Hetzel and it was responsible for Kristen Hall's
first release). Amy has given a lot back to those that helped her and
Emily start out.
: I have heard from others on this list that Amy and Ani are close
: friends and that Amy accompanied Ani et al on the tour bus during Ani's
: recent tour of the US.
:
They reportedly performed "Don't Give That Girl A Gun" on stage at a
Canadian Ani concert last summer. Amy wrote a very sparkling review of
Dilate as well for some publication (I have the review somewhere)
It's definitly difficult to figure out what lyrics are meant to mean
unless you actually hear the artist discuss them. One of the many reasons
I won't comment on the lyrics to IG songs. I'd hate to be off the mark on
the meaning of a song that might mean something important to me.
Max...
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Max Slover |"Some people are so narrow minded that they can look
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| --- Zig Ziglar---
Martin J. Slover
Oh how I hate making mistakes....the follwing should read...
Martin J. Slover (ind...@crl.com) wrote:
: of their careers. They are not a girl group ala the 60's and the Phil
: Ramone wall of sound period. They have a good management group behind
the Phil SPECTOR wall of sound...Phil Ramone was a producer of his own
right but not the man behind the wall of sound.
Liz Martin
JB wrote:
>
> Personally, I seriously doubt that Ani would have the bad taste to name
> names on stage, even if she DID write the song with Amy in mind, which I
> seriously doubt. Ani has not only been an outspoken advocate of women in
> music, but has given several interviews where she speaks of people who
> were unkind to her or had big egos that she encountered over the years.
> In all of those interviews, she never named names.
> I sincerely doubt the truth of your friend's report. Besides, Sara
> Lee, obviously a close friend of Amy's, is Ani's bass player on this
> current tour- a relationship that I doubt would exist if Ani were down
> on Amy and bagging on her in public.
>
> John B.
I heard that Ani's song was about Joan Osborne, not Amy Ray. Just
thought you might want to know.
Liz Martin
Mookie5555
WHOA!! Sounds like you're REALLY reaching there. The only thing you have
to go on is hearsay and a really contrived interpretation of a song that
evidently was written before they even knew each other. THIS is how ugly
rumors get started, and this just isn't the place for that. Besides, any
fan knows how much integrity both Amy and Emily have. Give them the
benefit of the doubt.
ghost writer
hi. sorry to ask stupid questions that i'm sure have been posted before, but
what ani song are we talking about? thanks for being patient with me on this
one. . .
joelle.
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