lollipop(candyman) razor-n-go lick it mix - aqua
the sinner - orbital
that sound (odori tribe rmx) - pump fiction
get your groove on (tribal mix) - science
cravin your love (rhythm mix) - samantha
it has begun - psykosonik
ultra flava sneak's rud a dub dub - heller & farley
witch doktor - avh
break da 80s - "
rumba - pirates of the carribean
get up stand up - dj sneak
zulu - circle children
who's the boss - dj sneak
indonesia - circle children
insomnia - faithless
professional widow - tori amos
spin, spin sugar - sneaker pimps
digital - goldie/krs1
it's alright - nu yorican
hot shot '97 - karen young
runaway - nu yorican
beachball - nalin & kane
da funk - daft punk
burnin - daft punk
get ready to bounce (klubheads mix) - brooklyn bounce
request line (nitebreed mix) - zhane
quench - dreams
inside out - culture beat
idustrial strength megamix - cmr records
exterminate - snap
electrobank (dust bros. mix) - chem bros.
breathe - prodigy
get up on it - chem bros.
morning lemons - "
these beats are made for breakin' - "
the best part of) breaking up - "
me - keoki
cut the music - 2 fat buddhas vs fat-head
the freaks - uber zone
believe - "
in beats - "
makes me wanna die - tricky (why does this say 45 but lyrics are in 33?)
prescription beats - chem bros.
chemical beats (dave calrk mix) - "
not another drugstore - "
loops of fury - "
block rockin beats - "
3am eternal - klf
smack my bitch up - prodigy
under influence - fish-head
renegade - hardware
feel good - the kraft
just roll - "
step up - thunder
break out - "
caterpiller - keoki
wicked - "
majick - "
crash - "
ego trip - "
SLY
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>crash - "
>ego trip - "
Throw a few of '2 Unlimited's numbers in, the odd 'Sash!' and perhaps
'Achy Breakey Heart (fucked up on drugs mix) by Bob Hope' and you've got
proberly thE WORST PLAY LIST IT HAS BEEN MY UNFORTUNATE PLEASURE TO GAZE
UPON! Begone you, you foul little wretch! Some where there is a 'Fisher
Price - funky dj box' with your name on it and a crech`e to play it at.
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email address wrote in message <3WztFHA$fko0...@xenophobia.demon.co.uk>...
ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!! you're a fucking superstar nk.
SLY, Start going to raves, OK !
I've deleted those which are inappropriate for a rave. I've also left some
tracks in which provided much laughter. You might get away
with some of the house stuff IF there is a house room, but as for a main
arena set, don't start proclaiming yourself the world's greatest rave DJ.
Your set would consist of about two or three tracks. Work on actually
getting to know the scene and getting to know the crowd that goes to
raves(you know, that's the part of DJing which all the beat counters in
the world can't help you with).
Good Luck.
Cosmo.
On Thu, 25 Dec 1997, 24 wrote:
> please rate the following selections in my collection (1 being the lowest, 5
> the highest). also, indicate which ones you think are appropriate for a
> rave. serious responses only.
>
> the sinner - orbital
> that sound (odori tribe rmx) - pump fiction
> get up stand up - dj sneak
> who's the boss - dj sneak
> indonesia - circle children
> digital - goldie/krs1
> it's alright - nu yorican
> runaway - nu yorican
> beachball - nalin & kane
These MAY work if the rave has a club/house room. But otherwise, forget
it.
> quench - dreams
If you must play stuff from 1993, go ahead. "Dreams" is a brilliant track
but I got bored of it after the 1000th listen.
> idustrial strength megamix - cmr records
A megamix could sound very corny.
> exterminate - snap
> 3am eternal - klf
If comedy is your speciality, play these two straight after one another.
3am is a brilliant track with a cool filmclip, but it ain't cuttin' edge
rave music. Neither is Snap.
There was so much stuff there I would not even play in a club, let alone a
rave. If you were doing a house room, I would suggest - Oh nevermind. You
seem to not have much of a perspective, and unless this is a rave for your
local HS, you will not get to play long, nor get paid.
This reminds me of a story when the DMC's were being held here in Philly, some
kid walks into 611, a record store, a raver-wannabe, well he smelled bad, so
maybe he was raver, anyway, he walked in said he wanted some trance records
and he was listening to the records at the listening station when he was trying
to scratch. One of the people who worked there called over to him and asked
him what he was doing, he said with pride and needing a serious breath mint, "i
am going to that dj scratching thing today and i am gonna kick it." When
questioned further, he didn't own turntables, nor did he have the faintest clue
on how to spin.
He was told to first BUY the records if he was going to scratch with them, he
ended up buying 2 copies of something, and he asked to get on the main (for
everone to listen) system in the store. For a laugh, they did. My friend who
told me what happened said that he was on for no more then 2 minutes when he
walked up to him, grabbed him by the shoulders, turned him around, pulled open
the door, and ended up throwing him out on his ass. Hie records followed,
which were layed down nicely.
I think the moral to this story is, don't try to be something which you are
not.
: please rate the following selections in my collection (1 being the lowest, 5
: the highest). also, indicate which ones you think are appropriate for a
: rave. serious responses only.
I think you should listen to the other members of this group and actually
attend a rave (if you haven't already) and get a hands on feel.
Then, maybe go to your music store/ mail outlet and be prepared to shell
out some cash for some singles - instead of whining for free shit and
promos (which you don't deserve).
All this keeping in mind that, while you won't have the most and
best/newest tracks, you can certainly stay ahead of the masses and many of
the so-called rave/club dj's in your area.
Plus, if you have any talent(which I assume you should have some) you can
cut and 're-mix' and sample and really work the material you have... no Dj
can buy that 'creativity' from a record store or mail outlet.
Please at least consider what I have suggested.
Richard
you cannot rate music which you already own & can listen to yourself??
--
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Univ of Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh VA Health System
"I saw the danger, yet I walked along the enchanted way,
and I said, let grief be a fallen leaf at the dawning of the day."
On Raglan Road
> insomnia - faithless
4/5 classic deep and dark, drop it into a hard house set
> professional widow - tori amos
4/5 classic club, not for a rave though
> da funk - daft punk
> burnin - daft punk
4/5 Any Daft Punk is still leftfield enough to go down at raves
> get ready to bounce (klubheads mix) - brooklyn bounce
3/5 Klubbheads give anything a good touch
> quench - dreams
5/5 Australian techno stormer, rave anthem
> idustrial strength megamix - cmr records
3/5 Gabberheads track (I assume that's Lenny Dee's IS)
> electrobank (dust bros. mix) - chem bros.
4/5 Chems still do it for the underground (just)
> breathe - prodigy
3/5 rave-ish but way too commercial now
> get up on it - chem bros.
3/5 as above
> me - keoki
3/5 raveish enough (What about you Keoki? Please tell us *L*)
> 3am eternal - klf
4/5 Heard it a million times but still in the "classics" bin
Hope this helps
Dion Williams <di...@hotmail.com>
> Rave Daddy Sly wrote:
>
> : please rate the following selections in my collection (1 being the
lowest, 5
> : the highest). also, indicate which ones you think are appropriate for a
> : rave. serious responses only.
>
> I think you should listen to the other members of this group and actually
> attend a rave (if you haven't already) and get a hands on feel.
Or even better, after you go to that rave... go out and find some music
you really LOVE. Shit that blows your mind, makes you wanna dance, that
YOU like to listen too. Chances are that if you really love it and you
can spin it with some skill other people will love it too.
-jj
> please rate the following selections in my collection (1 being the lowest, 5
> the highest). also, indicate which ones you think are appropriate for a
> rave. serious responses only.
<snip>
> 3am eternal - klf
Ohmigod... you want a serious response to 3am Eternal by the KLF in
_1997_???????
<hee hee>
-jj
(or am I just living in a futureworld timewarp and it's really 1994???)
meat market, bodysnatchers, did you also catch these drops?
anyways, there was another skinny black guy (what is it with these
skinny blackguy brits? faithless, prodigy, chem bro) and a short,
feminine white guy. the black guy also dagged. the 'chem bros' were all
over each other in the vid. couldn't be acting. the guy on the album
covers looks freaky too. do gay people love their music more than the
reg public since it's so dam awesome and they're gay? is keoki gay?
rupaul? freedom from c&c? ya kid k? crystal waters? prodigy?
> is keoki gay?
> rupaul?
You did NOT just ask if Keoki and RuPaul are gay!
Jeez....SLY my friend... Stay around here... we need the laughs! :-D
-jj
>i saw the block rockin video on mtv a while ago - awesome.
>
>meat market, bodysnatchers, did you also catch these drops?
>
>anyways, there was another skinny black guy (what is it with these
>skinny blackguy brits? faithless, prodigy, chem bro) and a short,
>feminine white guy. the black guy also dagged. the 'chem bros' were all
>over each other in the vid. couldn't be acting. the guy on the album
>covers looks freaky too. do gay people love their music more than the
>reg public since it's so dam awesome and they're gay? is keoki gay?
>rupaul? freedom from c&c? ya kid k? crystal waters? prodigy?
God forbid! What does it matter if the Chemical Bros. are shagging one
another? Does that make their music any worse than it already is? If
you like the music who cares what the do behind closed doors or on Mtv
for that matter. But if it were up to me I'd say they're creating
talk, since the prodigy has been selling more...
Blurgh blegh blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh
If i *ever* hear that track at a rave i will personally walk up to the DJ and
break the fucking record over his head.
Maybe.
Alex
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http://huizen.dds.nl/~sturm
Jennifer:
R U a chic DJ? I am always trying to meet female DJs. Not many out
there. Concerning raves, I prefer to hear some tasteful music.
Something uncommon to club sessions. You may call it underground or
eclectic. I definitely agree that you should play what you like. Your
style and with a freedom that you do not have many time in your club.
But your music choice still should be of quality. Not too far out there
that people can't relate to, and not so commercial or mainstream
neither.
George,
Yup. Well a bedroom DJ at least. I know a coupla others...
> Concerning raves, I prefer to hear some tasteful music.
> Something uncommon to club sessions. You may call it underground or
> eclectic. I definitely agree that you should play what you like. Your
> style and with a freedom that you do not have many time in your club.
> But your music choice still should be of quality. Not too far out there
> that people can't relate to, and not so commercial or mainstream
> neither.
I dunno... I know a decent number of DJ's who play music on the very edge
of what people can relate to... There's something to be said for
educating the ears of the audience... But then of course a lot of 'em
either don't play large commercial raves or play more accessible music
when they do...
-jj
Hey Sly, I thought you were gay? Are you gay?
Certainly there is a difference between your club session and a rave.
You would charge more for entrance of a Rave event than a club. It
tells you a lot about the people who will be at your Rave event. They
are open to be educated. A rave is more relaxed, welcoming and there is
room for more things than your club session. Therefore, your music
should be colorful. Jazzy techno, ambient, layback house, acid jazz,
jungle and some chicago hard edge house, promos, some mainstream can be
expected in one evening. I cannot tell 24 what's good and what's not
good in his list for a rave. It almost seems to me that those titles
have been played to death so many times that it does not make sense to
take them out to a Rave. I may be wrong.
Now you can get your MRI in just four years from the institute of
enviromental rave and jungle-house research. Your Master in Rave Impact
will allow you to counsel confused DJs who often find themselves with
many questions and no answers. You have seen it. The opportunities in
this field are evident and manifested by potential clients such as Mr.
Sly. This is your chance to help this country and your fellow DJ.
Call 1-800-825-RAVE and ask for your free brochure. Again,
1-800-825-RAVE. Do not wait! Time is running out.
Do bears shit in the wood?
Checked it out really carefully didn't you?
>the guy on the album
>covers looks freaky too. do gay people love their music more than the
>reg public since it's so dam awesome and they're gay? is keoki gay?
>rupaul? freedom from c&c? ya kid k? crystal waters? prodigy?
Are you? Why does it matter to you so much? Why do you spend time
wondering if guys are gay? If you're not gay yourself it doesn't make
any difference to you. For me, as a straght male, I could care less
about weither or not a guy is gay because I'm not interested in him
sexually. It only matters to me if some chick i've got the hots for is a
lesbian and couldn't care less about getting into bed with me.
--
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ICBM: 47 39'23"N 122 18'19"W
"It all comes from here, the stench and the peril."--Frodo (from Perl5/toke.c)
Alex, take a chill pill, sit down and listen. Sly is in the US. Rave
culture is not the same the world over. Do you mean you'll do this at an
Australian party, or of course, having an intimate knowledge of rave
culture in other countries, you know it wouldn't go down at theirs? I
hardly think Sly is going to be playing at anything like an underground
event anytime soon, so I've cut him some slack. While music culture is
not as advanced generally in the US as it is in Australia and Europe,
the more commercial tracks are going to be able to be played. There's
about two tracks on that whole list that you could get away with at an
Australian or European party. But I'm not critiquing them for a party in
Australia or Europe. Let other scenes have their time to grow and they
will acquire the knowledge and independence we've come to love. In any
case, do you doubt this track has classic status despite its
commerciality? Slipped in against Underworld's "Dark Train" or Chicane's
"Offshore" it would sound fine in the mix to my ears. Try to remember
not all bad music is commercial, and not all commercial music is bad.
Dion Williams <di...@hotmail.com>
Pardon my nit picking, but do you mean Chic (pronounced the same as "sheik") or
do you mean "chick" like 50's slang for female?
- ty
Incidentally "sheik" is pronounced "shayk", and chic is pronounced "sheek".
Oh it's a club "classic", i don't doubt that. But that doesn't change the
fact that it's a piece of shit, like most club classics. Club music does NOT
belong at raves. Maybe in the past the rave and club scene were much closer,
but nowadays it just ain't that way anymore. Clubs are about bad house music
and sex, and raves are about good electronic music and love.... BIG
difference.
Please don't list all the exceptions to the rule. You know it's for the most
part true.
> Slipped in against Underworld's "Dark Train" or Chicane's
>"Offshore" it would sound fine in the mix to my ears. Try to remember
>not all bad music is commercial, and not all commercial music is bad.
>
I know that. But "Insomnia" is very very bad =) So is "Offshore"
incidentally........ And in case you didn't notice (well obviously) i was
being sarcastic in the original reply.... The most violent thing i'd do at a
rave (indeed, ANYWHERE) is walk out.
seeya next year=)
please don't trash my scene because you don't know about it. i don't
trash yours.
Jennifer did not get it. When I say: R U a chic? I meant: "Are you
female and VERY GOOD LOOKING?" Most of the female DJs I have seen
AIN'T.
George Tsai Li,
(Typical male. I do have an accent, so it is chic and not chick)
Jon
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I am sorry that you are upset. I still use it and so do my friends.
Maybe it is a regional thing here in Ohio. I am not a guru and I am not
stuck in the 80's. Amazing that a word like 'chick' can spark a
discussion.
George,
On Fri, 26 Dec 1997, 24 wrote:
> i saw the block rockin video on mtv a while ago - awesome.
>
> meat market, bodysnatchers, did you also catch these drops?
>
> anyways, there was another skinny black guy (what is it with these
> skinny blackguy brits? faithless, prodigy, chem bro) and a short,
> feminine white guy. the black guy also dagged. the 'chem bros' were all
> over each other in the vid. couldn't be acting. the guy on the album
> covers looks freaky too. do gay people love their music more than the
> reg public since it's so dam awesome and they're gay? is keoki gay?
> rupaul? freedom from c&c? ya kid k? crystal waters? prodigy?
>
> SLY
I agree. I guess I'm speaking more about the mix of rave and club
culture that represents the scene today, rather than how it was 5-6
years ago. Clubbers go to rave events and ravers go to clubs. The groups
sample each others' cultures and music styles, and while club tracks may
not fit the image of rave as we know it, they would not sound out of
place at a rave in December 1997.
> Please don't list all the exceptions to the rule. You know it's for the most
> part true.
Yes. But all songs have an individual identity.
> > Slipped in against Underworld's "Dark Train" or Chicane's
> >"Offshore" it would sound fine in the mix to my ears. Try to remember
> >not all bad music is commercial, and not all commercial music is bad.
> >
> I know that. But "Insomnia" is very very bad =)
The radio version with the vocal is pretty bad, but the b-sides and
remix releases pare the track down to basics. Not as bad as you'd think.
So is "Offshore"
> incidentally........
A couple of years ago it would have been bargain bin fodder, but today
it's a floor-filler simply because there's no competition. And so like
it or not it's going to get played. I'm a mixing nut; I'd rather hear
two bad tracks mixed brilliantly than two good tracks being put through
a train-crash.
And in case you didn't notice (well obviously) i was
> being sarcastic in the original reply.... The most violent thing i'd do at a
> rave (indeed, ANYWHERE) is walk out.
Well, me too. The odds say I won't hear "Next is the E", "Sesame's
Treet" and "The Key The Secret" as a triple-play anytime soon, I'd hate
to have to dust off my 9 millimetre and go back to the old ways...
Dion Williams <di...@hotmail.com>
Dj Gorgeous George wrote:
: > Oh shut up and stop being a little panzey because no one even uses that
: > word unless your some damn guru stuck in the 80's
: I am sorry that you are upset. I still use it and so do my friends.
: Maybe it is a regional thing here in Ohio. I am not a guru and I am not
: stuck in the 80's. Amazing that a word like 'chick' can spark a
: discussion.
Hmm, I agree, using 'chic' makes you a pansy? What's a pansy anyways?
And George, you know you are a guru... :)
Anyways, as I seem to recall, Jim's post was the catalyst to this....(read
his tagline;)
Richard
angel k <ang...@innocent.com> wrote in article
<34A6B41C...@innocent.com>...
i guess maybe what i was trying to say is that i expect to be called a
faggot from a lot of dummass guys..just cuz maybe i'm a little
femmy...but i'd expect to be called "straighty" (or whatev) a lot less
from a group of gay guys hanging around....cuz maybe i act a little
straight???
jesus, it's hard to define your thoughts at 8.30 am. MORE COFFEE!!!!!!
peace, kids, i'm off to work
Naw, I'm female and just kinda good looking. :-)
-jj
...kinda...is just fine with me. Ohh. just joking :)
George Tsai Li,
>
> -jj
Saddo.
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Why?
> Why?
Because.
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Who cares?
(methinks we need to start
alt.electronica.the.prodigy.are.way.cool.mtv.said.so...)
(ok, sorry, I'm an elitist asshole. but i know two thirds of you are
snickering.)
Li G Tsai wrote:
>
> Jennifer Jackson wrote:
> >
> > In article <34A6D0...@osu.edu>, Li G Tsai <tsai...@osu.edu> wrote:
> >
> > > Jennifer did not get it. When I say: R U a chic? I meant: "Are you
> > > female and VERY GOOD LOOKING?" Most of the female DJs I have seen
> > > AIN'T.
> >
> > Naw, I'm female and just kinda good looking. :-)
>
> ...kinda...is just fine with me. Ohh. just joking :)
>
> George Tsai Li,
>
> >
> > -jj
But Rupaul?? I guess your next question will be is her hair real?
paul
???????? What are you talking about? Get a clue please.
George Tsai Li,
snickering?!?! fuck dat, i was HOWLIN....there should be an entire group
devoted to debating (if that's what you call it) the banning of the damned
cd...i mean...FUCK 'em, they go commercial, they get what they get!!! if they
were still true to their roots, they wouldn't have this problem, NO ONE WOULD
HAVE NOTICED THE SONG!!!!
anyway...thought i'd add to the "elitist asshole" thread. HeH
::snicker::
email address wrote in message <3WztFHA$fko0...@xenophobia.demon.co.uk>...
>In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.971224...@godzilla5.acpub.duk
>e.edu>, 24 <da...@acpub.duke.edu.DE.SPAM.ER> writes
>>please rate the following selections in my collection (1 being the lowest,
5
>>the highest). also, indicate which ones you think are appropriate for a
>>rave. serious responses only.
>>
>>lollipop(candyman) razor-n-go lick it mix - aqua
>>the sinner - orbital
>
><snip>
>
>>crash - "
>>ego trip - "
>
>Throw a few of '2 Unlimited's numbers in, the odd 'Sash!' and perhaps
>'Achy Breakey Heart (fucked up on drugs mix) by Bob Hope' and you've got
>proberly thE WORST PLAY LIST IT HAS BEEN MY UNFORTUNATE PLEASURE TO GAZE
>UPON! Begone you, you foul little wretch! Some where there is a 'Fisher
>Price - funky dj box' with your name on it and a crech`e to play it at.
>
>--
>nk <at> xenophobia <dot> demon <dot> co <dot> uk
>
Hey u bad-taste little punk! go program a drum machine! go become
black and rap! all thoes discs u named suck! the local radio
station did a spoof of Barbie Girl and called it Ugly Girl it was on
the top 10 requested song of the day list for a week!
Curt
drummer/composer/poet/hip-hop, rap, dance, techno hater
>
>email address wrote in message <3WztFHA$fko0...@xenophobia.demon.co.uk>...
>>Throw a few of '2 Unlimited's numbers in, the odd 'Sash!' and perhaps
>>'Achy Breakey Heart (fucked up on drugs mix) by Bob Hope' and you've got
>>proberly thE WORST PLAY LIST IT HAS BEEN MY UNFORTUNATE PLEASURE TO GAZE
>>UPON! Begone you, you foul little wretch! Some where there is a 'Fisher
>>Price - funky dj box' with your name on it and a crech`e to play it at.
>>
>>--
>>nk <at> xenophobia <dot> demon <dot> co <dot> uk
>>
>Hey u bad-taste little punk! go program a drum machine! go become
>black and rap! all thoes discs u named suck! the local radio
>station did a spoof of Barbie Girl and called it Ugly Girl it was on
>the top 10 requested song of the day list for a week!
>Curt
>drummer/composer/poet/hip-hop, rap, dance, techno hater
Great! techno snob and technophobe united in hatred! Truly this is the
age of PLUR. The list seemed fair enough to me, a decent, popular
night out. Most dance tracks that become hits, after all, do so
because they are more danceable and more exciting than the
'underground' cuts :)
Cheers,
Tom.
>Great! techno snob and technophobe united in hatred! Truly this is the
>age of PLUR.
I've seen PLUR listed in another newsgroup (rmi) when applied to rave
music. What does it mean? I'm not involved in the rave society nor
the techno movement, so I have no idea. I listen more to
IDM/industrial/electro/experimental... let me know, thanks.
--
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"Religion is a magic device for turning unanswerable
questions into unquestionable answers." -Art Gecko,
Wombat Discord-1, 128649
Look, miss, I don't know who you are or who you hang out with. That's your
business, not mine. What I do know is that among MY friends, the word
'chick' is no where near derogatory. As was said by someone else earlier
in the thread, the word 'chick' generally means either 'attractive
female,' 'cool female,' or 'cool, attractive female.' As such, to use the
word 'chick' to refer to someone is a GOOD thing, a compliment if you
will.
quit taking things so personally, the world is alot more fun that way..
<grin>
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: Hey u bad-taste little punk! go program a drum machine! go become
: black and rap! all thoes discs u named suck! the local radio
: station did a spoof of Barbie Girl and called it Ugly Girl it was on
: the top 10 requested song of the day list for a week!
: Curt
: drummer/composer/poet/hip-hop, rap, dance, techno hater
You forgot ego-manic and dork :)
Regards
Richard
>On Mon, 05 Jan 1998 23:20:20 GMT in the year of our Sword,
>eb...@NOSPAM.netcomuk.co.uk (Tom Ewing) unleashed:
>
>>Great! techno snob and technophobe united in hatred! Truly this is the
>>age of PLUR.
>
>I've seen PLUR listed in another newsgroup (rmi) when applied to rave
>music. What does it mean? I'm not involved in the rave society nor
>the techno movement, so I have no idea. I listen more to
>IDM/industrial/electro/experimental... let me know, thanks.
PLUR stands for Peace, Love, Unity And Respect, a kindly philosophy
which applies to everyone except, naturally, those whose music taste
is too 'commercial'. or two weeks out of date. In other words, it's a
load of Sympathy, Harmony, Intense Togetherness and Energy.
Cheers,
Tom.
>PLUR stands for Peace, Love, Unity And Respect, a kindly philosophy
>which applies to everyone except, naturally, those whose music taste
>is too 'commercial'. or two weeks out of date. In other words, it's a
>load of Sympathy, Harmony, Intense Togetherness and Energy.
Hahaha.... I gotcha. I, for one, cannot stand the silly "brotherly
love" in some scenes. Sure, it's nice to have unity in a scene, but
some scenes go overboard with the love and, in your words, SHITE.
Anyway, thanks for the illumination. ;)
"Hits" have nothing to do with whether the music is actually any good or not.
It's got to do with how good your PR guy is and how close your track follows
the current popular musical structure.
Alex
> On Mon, 05 Jan 1998 23:20:20 GMT in the year of our Sword,
> eb...@NOSPAM.netcomuk.co.uk (Tom Ewing) unleashed:
>
> >Great! techno snob and technophobe united in hatred! Truly this is the
> >age of PLUR.
>
> I've seen PLUR listed in another newsgroup (rmi) when applied to rave
> music. What does it mean? I'm not involved in the rave society nor
> the techno movement, so I have no idea. I listen more to
> IDM/industrial/electro/experimental... let me know, thanks.
Peace, Love, Unity and Respect.
I usually add another R for Responsibility... but the concept of
responsiblity seems a bit lost on a lot of ravers. <shrug>
-jj
Shouldn't it be Ms M :-)
Louis Counter
coun...@boat.bt.com
www.angelfire.com/hi/BrokenDrum
It's like... tape is an expansion of your memory but you can't always
remember where your memory is! Philosophically that's very interesting,
I think.
Kraftwerk.
Fuck off bum breath.
--
Neil Kennedy
> Actually most techno tracks become "hits" because they were designed
> specifically to BE hits. They are written with irritatingly catchy tunes and
> toned-down harshness and less repetivity so as to appeal to a wider crowd than
> just ravers. And because they are written in this style and record execs KNOW
> that this will sell, they spend the money making a video for it on MTV, they
> spend the time promoting it on the radio and through printed media - all of
> which gives it even more exposure which makes it more popular, which makes it
> even more of a "hit".
It's interesting to note that Jeremy Healy also has a successful
sideline writing advertising jingles in the UK. Writing hit songs is
part condensing the dominant musical sounds at a particular time, as you
say, and selling something. Commercial music is simply an extension of
the advertising jingle; it's designed primarily to stick in your head
and make you buy something, the CD, the t-shirt, the concert ticket, as
a result.
Dion Williams <di...@hotmail.com>
you also forgot genius linguist and super-intellectual
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
James
Most of everything becomes more popular because more people like it, but the
underground for want of a better term is where people who want somthing
diferent/new/chalenging/groundbreaking.
Some people misguidedly make a conection between Popular and Quality.
For example take the film "Independance Day" extreamly popular, absolutly no
content, just like popular dance music, but hey we can't all be born with
our eyes open can we!
>
> Cheers,
> Tom.
>
>
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Everyone does this, its human nature. However we like to think we interact
in social enviroments, we by nature have to breed, therefore whatever great
objectivity we claim to have is always compromised when we find sombody
atractive or not. Not that we conciously do this, well some of us anyway.
Anyway why do people spend so much money and time trying to look good if
they don't think its important.
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Is that the best you can do!
Or is "bum breath" the brand of nappies you wear!
My 5 year old son could do better than that, if I had one.
--
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In a recent study 9 out of 10 ravers said they "can't remember", "it doesn't
matter", "its okay it nearly saturday again", "bangin" or my pesonal
favorate "theres so many nice people here".
The other one just stood writing down the names of the records the DJ was
playing.
I ask you wouldn't you rather be at home knitting or at you local bingo
hall. Personly I'm writing a book on the mating cycle of the polictly corect
homsapien female, but I think its going to be quite short.
--
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Can get a bit sickly but its alot better than staring at people and being
uptight.
A nice sentiment sent half heartedly is better than a bad one sent whole
heartedly.
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I'm disapointed, I fucking hate people who have to parade there egotistical
shallow understanding of the world and basicly embaress themselves with such
little gems as "bad-taste little punk". Have you realy been watching dodgy
seventys pornos for your best lines. I think couple of years of hormone
replacment would do you the world of good, oh and you have to go out of the
house at least once a day!
>
> You forgot ego-manic and dork :)
>
> Regards
>
> Richard
>
>
>
>
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alt.music.makers.electronic
is for people who wan't to talk about making electronic music, not people
who wan't talk about whatever kack your so unashambly trying to pass of as
conversation.
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>Most of everything becomes more popular because more people like it, but the
>underground for want of a better term is where people who want somthing
>diferent/new/chalenging/groundbreaking.
And anyone with a bit of sense keeps a foot in both camps.
Cheers,
Tom.
>In article <34b16200...@nntp.netcruiser>, eb...@NOSPAM.netcomuk.co.uk wrote:
>>night out. Most dance tracks that become hits, after all, do so
>>because they are more danceable and more exciting than the
>>'underground' cuts :)
>>
>Actually most techno tracks become "hits" because they were designed
>specifically to BE hits. They are written with irritatingly catchy tunes and
>toned-down harshness and less repetivity so as to appeal to a wider crowd than
>just ravers.
In other words, more exciting and danceable, like I said. Or more
*instantly* exciting and danceable, at any rate. Nothing wrong with
appealing to a wide crowd, though you'd have a hard enough time
convincing most technoids of this at the moment, techno's discourse
being at precisely the same point alternative's was in c.1991, i.e.
it's about to be commercially deflowered and is acting all coy about
it.
The advertisements analogy elsewhere in this thread is in fact a good
one. Just as some adverts are superbly filmed, scripted and edited
and are finer artistic achievements than the programmes they surround,
so some commercial big hit dance tracks are completely fantastic,
worthwhile pieces of music *despite* their undeniable commercial
motive. (Incidentally, since I can think of few finer gimmicks to make
me want to buy the product than Drexciya's nutsoid aqua-theories or
Mike Banks' wacky balaclava, it's safe to say that 'commerciality'
contaminates the entire scene, even - especially! - where it is
supposedly most absent)
>"Hits" have nothing to do with whether the music is actually any good or not.
Naturally. Nor do they have anything to do with the music being bad or
not.
Cheers,
Tom.
Wow... I thought Politically Correct Homosapiens were nearly extinct!
And there are actually nights when I wish I was at home knitting...
-jj
"One of these days, the world may get used to the fact that there is
a wide variety of people around. It's been an awfully long time in
coming, and personally Miss Manners can't wait."
-- Miss Manners (Judith Martin)
What lower than "Fuck off bum breath", I doubt it :-)
A simple 'fuck off bum breath' would have had this person banged to
rights.
--
Neil Kennedy
A most unashamed disply of a lack of inteligence, oh I'm sorry you mean
simplicity. I have no need to mock you when you do such a good job yourself,
but hey I'm not perfect, I like to kick 'em while there down. Making jokes
about my sexual preferances again highlights the "Simple" apraoch of your
humour.
definition of simple from the Oxford dictionary.
sim'pl - adjective; Not complex; easily inteligble; artless in manner;
plain; weak in intelect(my favourite); ect...
simpleton; simple-minded; simplicity
need I go on?
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The problem with that aproach is your wide open and quite likley to get shot
in the bollocks.
No but it is a sensible aproach, but as I am answering this from one the
newsgroups for making electronic music I can tell you it is not personly
enjoyable to write comercial dance music. Its like pointless sex, its ok but
there is no long term gratification from it, the words "Cheap and Cheerfull"
spring to mind.
>
> Cheers,
> Tom.
>
>
--
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sorry guys, I'v been under alot of pressure recently, I had 3 third grade
easays too write, some girls have been bullying me and taking my dinner
money, and to top it all off my mother found some magazines under my bed. So
I accept that I may have been a tad malicious in some of my postings
recently, but I didn't realy mean it, just its all getting too much.
--
Neil Kennedy
Wow! Then Autechre must be *really* good hit writers, they have almost
*no* repetition in their tunes....they'll surely hit the big time soon.
--
Ben Coffer
Hybrid Productions
http://www.hybridgame.demon.co.uk/
>>>night out. Most dance tracks that become hits, after all, do so
>>>because they are more danceable and more exciting than the
>>>'underground' cuts :)
>>>
>>Actually most techno tracks become "hits" because they were designed
>>specifically to BE hits. They are written with irritatingly catchy tunes and
>>toned-down harshness and less repetivity so as to appeal to a wider crowd than
>>just ravers.
>
>In other words, more exciting and danceable, like I said. Or more
>*instantly* exciting and danceable, at any rate. Nothing wrong with
Whoa.. wait up here.. more exciting? I don't get excited about bland
and predictable melodies that the top 40 is littered with these days.
Danceable? Yeah - for whom?
I don't get the lift and energy from say, Barbie Girl, that I get from
a no-name stomping track that hammers away relentlessly without
adhering to forms as melody and chorus.
Top 40 dance music basically irritates me, because of the total lack
of innovation. Everybody sounds like the next guy/girl.
La-la-la-melody, a squelish high-pitched female singer (preferably
nasal sounding), unobtrusive instrumentation and predictable from the
first minute to the last.
Even the tracks that make it into the top 40, that mirror themselves
to 'the underground', always get the fabric-softener treatment, to
make it more acceptable. Ahwell.. money talks, as always.
Don't get me wrong, if I could release a track to top 40 public, I
would probably do it: write the same catchy tunes, tone my
instrumentation down, take the rough edges off it.. But I would know
for what reasons I'd be doing it. Money reasons, not artistical.
Sorry for the intrusion.. on with your thread... :)
Grtz,
Lars.
.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.
"Musique, Non Stop..."
Kraftwerk, 1986
Lars . wOOd . Acid Demons
http://www.acid.demon.nl
.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.oOo.
> which is BULLSHIT....just because a scene is different doesn't
>mean it's BEHIND.
I agree music is taste orientated and noone has the right to judge
anyone elses taste. In the words of Lemmy (Motorhead)
" I might not like the shit but Id fight to the fucking death for
anyones right to play it "
> like does anyone here know that philly PIONEERED the
>Hardstep sound of jungle?????
Nope. Don't even know who they are but thanks for telling me.
> and that in philly you will here the
>PHATTESt jungle, not this brekabeat bullshit???? and that if you go only
>ONE state away, the thing is hardcore/gabber/acid trance???
Sheesh - hardcore/gabber/acid trance. Im sure faithless went out to make
music not whatever that is. Sorry Im not up on technical terms but then
Im an ethnocentric peep so it's to be expected. ;)
>
>please don't trash my scene because you don't know about it. i don't
>trash yours.
I've never trashed anyones scene (so far as I know, I might have
offended someone here but you can't please everyone) and your right I
don't know about it.
On a personal note I happen to like Faithless, they have an original mix
of music which covers Jazz, rap, Dance and trance. It might not be rave
music but did anyone think about what faithless tried to do when they
made their CD? Has anyone got faithlesses input as to why they do it
their way? Did anyone think to ask faithless fans what they like about
the music? I doubt it. I also doubt that if Faithless were asked where
and when their music should be played theyd say "in the middle of a
Hardcore rave, or Techno/dance club"
They might say some of the songs could be played in a club (Insomnia)
but we are talking about clubs where people go to get drunk and enjoy
themselves without thinking about what their listening to.
They may also say that some songs could be played around a campfire in
the wilds. I like their music because it has no style, they are not
confined to being "a dance, jungle, rap, Act" they have the ability to
combine a lot of different sounds and make something of it. And Im not
afraid to say it (well theres nobody here - I'm looking at a computer
screen for christ's sake ;)
I also like an awful lot of other stuff, I can find satisfaction in most
music from Motorhead to Carl Cox, from the Prodigy to Beethoven etc etc
If thats an ethnocentric peep then Im proud to be one ;j
By the way I'm selling loads of stuff (ethnoplug!!)
www.leisuredome.com - DJ directory
Cheers,
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Steve Jackson wrote:
> angel k <ang...@innocent.com> writes
> >UGH. i think someone already said this, and alex, i'm sorry, BUT I HAVE
> >NEVER HEARD FAITHLESS AT ANY PARTY I'VE GONE TO!!! while our secen might
> >be behind that of the u.k. (and i'm only saying that for the benefit of
> >those ethnocentric peeps who have this uncanny need to trash the us
> >scene),
> Well thank you. Original - As a citizen of the UK I have never been
> called an ethnocentric peep before. Have to remember that next time Im
> accosted by a neanderthal in a pub ;)
:)
just so you know, i wasn't targeting anyone in particular with "ethnocentric
peeps" (seeing that written again kinda makes me laugh)...i was just
following this thread and it seemed to be taking an american-scene-bashing
turn....so i had to put my 2 cents in...
anyway, i happen to like faithless...i would just be surprised to hear it at
a rave
:)
::mmmmmmbabyfox::
PS Read the AUP for Argonet UK. Oh my, is your arse nipping. Pardon?
What? Was that an appology?
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The Real Neil Kennedy.
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you ever heard "bun, the lowest form of wheat"?
Okay i'll shut up now.
Alex
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