[HAM] Too many organs.........my turn
Michael Fulk
3 HR-40's
1 ER-20
1 A-20
2 122's
6 31-H's
1 X-77
1 X-66
1 H-100, in X-77 case
1 B-3, highly modified
2 Model H's, i.e., Novachords
1 M-100-wired for 97 frequencies and foldback on both manuals
1 Model A....highly modified
1 Model E, (1938)
Models J, K, and L, all Solovoxes
Other Hammond, Leslie, Allen, Baldwin, Maas-Rowe products and oddities,
e.g. Wurlitzer Sideman, various amps and speakers....much of which are for
sale inqiries welcomed, e.g., beat-up Leslie 122 and 142 cabinets with
horns, doppler and two-speed motors and nothing else].
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1 model A
1 model AB (in a garage somewhere)
1 model BC
1 model C2G
4 C3s
1 A100
1 B3 (in bits being re-finished)
1 G-100
1 R-124
3 E-112
1 L-112
1 M-102
7 various T300/400/500
1 TTR-100
1 RT3 (on its way here)
15 Pr-40s
1 C-40 (in bits)
4 D-10s
4 L122s
2 L145s
4 L351s
4 L920s
6 L760s
8 other Leslies
various Compton organs (to be disposed of)
At least I think that's what I have. Its getting hard to check. A lot of
the stuff awaits my refurbishing work.
Is this a record ?
Stan
EXT-Schurr, Larry
I'm startin' to get pissed off <g>
Larry
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> Subject: Re: [HAM] Too many organs.........my turn
Tim Stoel
A100, the M3, the L143, the Baldwin model 45 that is
so far from running it isn't even funny, and the
gulbransen something-or-another I am almost ashamed to
tell you guys I own.
Im my past are a Lowrey, a Conn, a Hammond T524, a
Thomas (Transistor Thomas was the joke for a week or
so) and I don't remember the rest of them. I also
have a dual 15" Baldwin tone cab that I got with no
power amp and I hooked it to my A100, a maas Rowe
vibrachime (very cool, tube) that hasn't seen the
light of day for 2 years, and I also took the
speakers from all these dead organs and built a 4x12
speaker cabinet (like a Marshall cabinet) which I run
with my A100 when I am in the mood. Then you would
have to go into all the recording and MIDI gear. I do
not just have HAS I also have GAS (Gear Acquisition
Syndrome) There is no cure for that, and the easiest
way to tell that you have it is a constant itching
near ghe wallet whenever near a music store.
Just a few days ago I got in what could have been a
rather nasty race between a church, an old lady and
myself to purchase a 2 manual Allen Digital Church
organ for $1500. The church won, but the Allen is
bigger than the Hammond Grand 100 (anyone have / seen
/ heard one?) and it would have been just plain wrong.
Now I am shopping for a church organ because I got a
buzz of playing that thing and would like one in my
home. I just sold a 3 manual Saville with over 100
stops, the coffin with the circuitry in it, three
amplifiers that require 20 amps of power each, and
170(!) 12 inch speakers.
Tim
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Wow stan,
I for one am very impressed.
B
Sheffield UK
Robert Hayton
>
> dear stan im sending an sos out that means save our hammonds there are
> some notorious swifthinking repair men who take the presious preamps from
> the most glorious HAMMOND B3 and put a 15 by 10 inch soldlid states cirket
> board full of resitors and transitors and what do we have here. a big
> mess... nobody know how to repair the dam thang.
I agree that a store should tell you that the original HAMMOND amp has
been exchanged with something else, but that doesn't mean that the
substitute is =necessarily= of inferior quality.
I refer specifically to the excellent products made by Trek II, which
are every bit as quality as the HAMMOND original-- and a darn sight
better in quality to the solid-state stuff HAMMOND built. Smoke made
his boards out of top-quality glass epoxy with heavy-duty traces and
better-than-average quality components. In fact, I would expect that
99%+ folks would be unable to identify a HAMMOND with the Trek II SSP-3
unit as opposed to the original AO-28. It ain't cheap, neither!
Robert Hayton
San Jose, CA
<http://www.myplanet.net/x77dude>
Scott Hawthorn
>dear stan im sending an sos out that means save our hammonds there are
>some notorious swifthinking repair men who take the presious preamps from
>the most glorious HAMMOND B3 and put a 15 by 10 inch soldlid states cirket
>board full of resitors and transitors and what do we have here.
Like Robert Hayton said. Now. I have heard of this practice and I don't
approve of it. OTOH, some will willingly pay to have one of these installed.
Howsomever. 10-1 it is a Trek-II preamp. If so, it is a fine replacement
for the original, and may provide more power and better sound that what
came out of the organ. Since the one at your church was apparently broken,
I can see why you would get excited about "saving the organs," but it's a
non-issue for hundreds of us out here who have been able to resurrect an
old BC or B3 that wouldn't have played otherwise. Surf to TrekII. com.
(Roman numeral II, two 'eyes', not two el's.) You will then become enlightened.
-Scott
ROYLEE FIZER
compleatly taken outof the organ and replaced by a track TWO preamp fill me
in am...@netzero.net
Subject: Re: Re(2): [HAM] Too many organs.........my turn
> At 12:23 PM 6/29/2001, you wrote:
> >dear stan im sending an sos out that means save our hammonds there are
> >some notorious swifthinking repair men who take the presious preamps from
> >the most glorious HAMMOND B3 and put a 15 by 10 inch soldlid states
cirket
> >board full of resitors and transitors and what do we have here.
>
> Like Robert Hayton said. Now. I have heard of this practice and I don't
> approve of it. OTOH, some will willingly pay to have one of these
installed.
>
> Howsomever. 10-1 it is a Trek-II preamp. If so, it is a fine replacement
> for the original, and may provide more power and better sound that what
> came out of the organ. Since the one at your church was apparently broken,
> I can see why you would get excited about "saving the organs," but it's a
> non-issue for hundreds of us out here who have been able to resurrect an
> old BC or B3 that wouldn't have played otherwise. Surf to TrekII. com.
> (Roman numeral II, two 'eyes', not two el's.) You will then become
enlightened.
>
> -Scott
>
>
>
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> my dear scott what gose entirely wrong with the B3 preamp that it must > be
> fill me in
The trademarked name is "Trek II."
The majority of installations (I'm guessing here) of this outstanding
product is to save space when a HAMMOND is "chopped." The Trek II
replacement also allows for reverb (which can admittedly be added
without the rest of the Trek II preamp), and allows for percussion in
earlier instruments not having it (BC, BV, B-2, etc). The "super deluxe
special extra" version of this preamp also allows for independent
inputs/outputs for folks who want to use another electronic device
(keyboard, synth, etc) with their HAMMOND. Goff's website has a good
description of the product (with prices): <http://www.goffprof.com>
I'm not sure what the going rate is to rebuild an AO-28, but if the
power transformer or the output transformer is smoked, it may just be
plain easier to use the Trek II unit. Rugged as an AO-28 is, I'd say
that the SSP-3 is virtually bulletproof. It truly is very well made.
Why do some folks drive Fords, and other folks prefer Chevys? So while
this unit is =usually= (my perception) used in chops and to upgrade
earlier HAMMONDs, there is no reason why it could not be used in a
perfectly good -3 class organ if that is what the owner prefers.
YMMV, of course.
Robert Hayton
San Jose, CA
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Stan Curtis
> power transformer or the output transformer is smoked, it may just be
> plain easier to use the Trek II unit. Rugged as an AO-28 is, I'd say
> that the SSP-3 is virtually bulletproof. It truly is very well made.
>
washing the unit; replacing the resistors, capacitors, tube bases and gold
contacts on the signal inputs. It takes for ever and it would not be
sensible commercially to do this. I don't agree with the comments about
scrapping the pre-amp if the transformer is smoked. If you are a
perfectionist you can get the transformer rewound. Otherwise alternative
transformers are available & usually just require you to drill some extra
holes in the chassis. Fortunately none of the original Hammond components
are critical so there is some flexibility in the choice of transformer
Stan
Lord Valve
that it might not be a good idea to use one because
it sounds like poo.
LV
Bull...@aol.com
AM...@NETZERO.NET writes:
<<
it would be nice if the track two would go into rebuilding and sving the
original B3 PREAMP IT MIGHT EVEN OUT LAST THEIR SOLIDSTATE AMP!!!!! THINK
ABOUT IT SOME OF THE ORIGINAL PREAMPS ARE STILL WORKING GOOD AND THE TUBES
LET ALL THE ORIGINAL HAMMOND TECH'S KNOW WHERE THE PROBLEMS ARE . TRACK TWO
>>
I am getting a head ache from this.
Harry
thefab5
Saving Our Hammonds from non-original solid state preamps being
installed without the buyer's knowledge, our Lord Valve wrote:
>I don't suppose anyone's going to mention the fact
>that it might not be a good idea to use one because
>it sounds like poo.
>LV
I would like to say I am thrilled (!) that LV has finally jumped
in here again....his first post since I joined the list recently.
As a longtime lurker before I joined, Lord Valve came across as
one of the stronger personalities on the Hammond Forum. I always
looked forward to his straightforward comments and dry (very dry)
sense of humor.
Whether or not he intends to be entertaining, I don't know because
I don't know him.....but he was/is very entertaining to me and is
a source of enlightenment for us all.
Now I'd like to see Lord Valve and ROYLEE FIZER discuss the finer
points of tube preamps. LOL :-)
Cheers!
Bill
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EXT-Schurr, Larry
> Now I'd like to see Lord Valve and ROYLEE FIZER discuss the finer
> points of tube preamps. LOL :-)
>
> Cheers!
>
> Bill
>
>
I got a $50 on LV!
Larry
Tim Stoel
don't overdrive like tubes do. I can understand a
replacement of a rectifier with a diode bridge, but
thats about it.
Tim
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Scott Hawthorn
>I don't suppose anyone's going to mention the fact
>that it might not be a good idea to use one because
>it sounds like poo.
>LV
I guess not.
-Scott
Tim Stoel
chassis? Also, where did you get the gold contacts
for it? I am very interested in replacing my old, worn
contacts.
Here's an idea: Take that tone control pot out of the
preamp chassis and either mount a pot on the console
somewhere or hook it to an expression pedal.
Tim
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Scott Hawthorn
> it would be nice if the track two would go into rebuilding and sving the
>original B3 PREAMP IT MIGHT EVEN OUT LAST THEIR SOLIDSTATE AMP!!!!! THINK
>ABOUT IT SOME OF THE ORIGINAL PREAMPS ARE STILL WORKING GOOD AND THE TUBES
>LET ALL THE ORIGINAL HAMMOND TECH'S KNOW WHERE THE PROBLEMS ARE . TRACK TWO
Dear Roylee, or is it Roy Lee? - hard to tell with all-caps,
I'm not going to debate this with you (your previous post). Now you know
what you needed to know: Trek-II is a well-respected company that makes a
great product. Unless the swap is made without the owner's knowledge, there
can be good reasons for replacement. I myself wouldn't do it though.
The idea that "tubes let all the original Hammond techs know where the
problems are" is simply wrong. Plenty more goes wrong with these amps than
just tubes. To come plowing in here with your all-caps posts (it is
considered SHOUTING, OK?) and claiming that the Hammonds need "saving" from
this is to completely ignore the fact that there are knowledgeable folks
here who might have more experience than you-- that there may be other
(well-informed) views. You sound paranoid. Do you really think that someone
would take the trouble to change all your caps to lower case??? Why would
you care? Anyway, like I say, shouting is very rude. Why don't you join the
group and sit back and learn something for a few days before you embarrass
yourself any further?
I'm sorry that your church got burned. That proves nothing about solid
state preamps in general.
-Scott
Tony
>I would like to say I am thrilled (!) that LV has finally jumped
>in here again....his first post since I joined the list recently.
Man, you sound like a real goof-ball, in my opinion.
More myths and bullshit. Techno-bigets.
Hayden is right. Anybody with any intelligence knows that Valve who sells
tubes is going to promote tube components. He would be an asshole if he
didn't.
I have console organs with the A0-28 and the SS TrekII. *This is probably
the biggest myth on Hammond Internet* (of the far superiority of the AO-28).
It is very hard to tell the difference. There maybe be a *very slight* SS
signature when all/most of the stops are pulled out, but can be adjusted
with bass controls (will solve the cap brightness issue too).
No audience member can tell the difference, I assure you.
JS, JD, etc., has done performances with Treks of rental organs. I have
never read listener complaints of artists who have played vintage Hammonds
at shows with SS's preamps of sound quality.
Treks are *SOLID RELIABLE*. <- - - - - -
>
>As a longtime lurker before I joined, Lord Valve came across as
>one of the stronger personalities on the Hammond Forum.
And contradicts himself all the time as:
Valve on 5/19 wrote:
>"Ah, forgive me...this NG is *too* good...
>LV"
Valve on 5/31 wrote:
>"This is without a doubt the pissiest NG on the whole goddamn
>planet, worse than the fag groups, even."
Ticklin' and a grinnin',
Tony
"I'z says it like it be"
Dan ''Spiffy'' Neuman
Roylee-- you need to do some research on the TrekIIs. It has some advantages
over the A028, and most are unable to tell the difference between it and a
rebuilt stock preamp. Many also considder it more reliable, mainly for the
simple reason-- it is not 40+ years old! Regardless of how well built the old
Hammond technology was, they do break down, tubes wear out, and eventually the
amps need rebuilding. Many people prefer the security of a piece of new,
well-built techology to the old, well built technology. Not to mention it is
much, much, lighter!
If you remove a Trek II amplifier from your organ and do not want it, please
send it to me.
Also, the grammar in most of your posts is confusing. Not that mine is great
myself, but it'd be a lot easier to reply to if you spent just a little more
time at it.
thanks
peace
dan
ROYLEE FIZER wrote:
> too whom ever . nice try buddy to refrazes my orriginal message try
> leaving it the same way i typed it every one out there the capital letter
> down below have be altered by some one eles what im really saying dont get
> me wrong track two make good parts such as i heared reverves but we think
> the orgininal preamp should stay with the B3 - C3 because the preamps were
> the best made for that organ ok. just repair what underneath the b3 preamp
> that eather shorted out or if the transformer burned out replace it an so
> on but try to keep the same preamp there so when the organ is sold to some
> on esle a hammond tech want have to scrach his ass figuring out what in
> the hell is this new gadget and have to write here and there for tech help
> like another tech i know says sone one is shure scewing up the nice B3
> ORGANS amps .maybe the old CV'S- BV'S -D'S BC' RT' E ARE
> REALLY OLD OLD HAMMOND'S AND THEY ELECTRICAL UNDERNEATH THE PREAMPS ARE TOO
> OLD AND MIGHT NEED A TRACK TWO PREAMP to replace its old worn out preamp
> .but the B3 preamp in repairable we still like tubs to tell us where the
> trouble is . this message is for all you solid state lovers. there are some
> of us out here from the old eletronical school . and proud of it!!!!!!!!!
> please keep this message original please dont reword it thank you this lets
> me know that we dont have honnest people in the world to change or reword
> some email THOUGHT'S please leave my message orginial please thank you
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: ROYLEE FIZER <AM...@NETZERO.NET>
> To: <ham...@zeni.net>
> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 12:31 AM
> Subject: Re: Re(2): [HAM] Too many organs.........my turn
>
> > it would be nice if the track two would go into rebuilding and sving the
> > original B3 PREAMP IT MIGHT EVEN OUT LAST THEIR SOLIDSTATE AMP!!!!!
> THINK
> > ABOUT IT SOME OF THE ORIGINAL PREAMPS ARE STILL WORKING GOOD AND THE TUBES
> > LET ALL THE ORIGINAL HAMMOND TECH'S KNOW WHERE THE PROBLEMS ARE . TRACK
> TWO
> > GIVE US A BREACK AND LEAVE SOME OF THE ORIGINAL B3 STAY ORIGINAL. WHEN WE
> > SEE SOME NEW SOLID STATE PREAMP IN A B3. WE JUST GUT IT OUT AND PUT AN
> > ORIGINAL BACK IN WHERE TECH REPAIR MEN UNDERSTAND THE ORGINAL SETUP
> > THE WAY HAMMOND INTENDED THE WAY ORIGINAL BABY ALL THIS HAMMOND
> SUZUKI
> > B3 ORGAN TODAY PEOPLE IN CHURCHES DO NOT LIKE THE NEW HAMMOND LET TRY TRY
> TO
> > KEEP THE HAMMOND B3 AS ORIGINAL AS POSSIBLE NEW PARTS OUT SIDE OF THE
> > ORIGINAL PARTS WONT LAST LIKE THE REAL HAMMOND SETUP FROM THE FACTORY MADE
> > IT TO BE WAKE UP PEOPLE. OR WE" HAVE MORE AND MORE OF NEWER
> PROBLEM
> > S AND A NEW PERSON BUY SO ONE B3 WITH NEW SOILD STATE PROBLEMS' FOR EVER
> > SPENDING MONEY ON SOMEBODYS ELESES NEW ADDON PREAMP SHORT LIVED SOILD
> > STATE INVENCHION THAT KEEP MONEY COMMING OUT OF YOURE POCKETS. IT BETTER
> TO
> > KEEP THE ORIGINAL PREAMP STAY WITH THE ORGINAL MY TURN....... SOME
> > DAY AFTER THESE NEW SOILD STATE WILL START GIVING TROUBLE AND SOME ONE
> > WILL TELL THE STORY OF HOW THEY SHOULD HAVE LET THE B3 ORIGINAL
Scott Hawthorn
> yes i said for those old BC D'S BV,S DV G'S HAMMOND ORGAN . TRACK TWO MAY
>BE THE VERY LIFE TO KEEP THEM GOING. BUT WHEN A B3 PREAMP GO BAD DONT BE A
>FAST TO THROW IT OUT REBUILD IT THATS ALL I MEAN SO WHEN YOU GET TIERD OF
>THE B3 AND SELL IT DAY NOBODY WONT BE SHOCKED FOR SAY WHERE IS THE PREAMP
>IN THE HAMMOND INSTALLED. ALL IM SAYING IS PEOPLE LOOK IN THE BACK OF THE
>C3'S AND B3S WHEN YOU GO HAMMOND BUYING THEN IF YOU LIKE THE TRACK TWO
>PREAMP BUY THE ORGAN . BUT CHECK IT OUT OPEN THE BACK OF THE ORGAN CHECK AND
>BE OVSERVENT-OF WHAT YOURE BUTING ---------TEST IT ---- PLAY THE
>ORGAN
To be fair to you Roylee, I can agree with this post. Looks like you are
learning something after all!
-Scott
Dan ''Spiffy'' Neuman
:)
> when the B3
> PREAMP need repairing replace the parts with the same new part in sted of
> putting somthing we dont know about
WHO doesnt know about? Renowned Hammond Tech Gods like Bob Schliecher sure know
about 'em
> such as a compleatly diffrent set with
> no tubes. i would like to ask track would they try reversing there line back
> to tubes .
I wouldnt mind seeing them offering a Tube amp as well, but this would defeat a
lot of the purpose of the new design, which is engineered to be much ligher and
not require routine maintenance. If it was tube It'd need a much beefier
chassis, & transformer and then you'd have the whole deal with replacing tubes
again. Plus to most ears (obviously not LVs :) the new solid state ones sound
damn close to the old tube ones in good shape. Just ask Joey D (I think-- Scott
am I right?)
> it would be better fore repair men to spot troubles in there amps
What troubles? Anyone had a Trek II fail? And if so, remember, it's NEW, you
can send it back to the company under warantee!
Besides, most repairmen I know can deal with Solid State just as well as Tube.
> more better for hammond of all preamps for all hammonds .
Huh?
> i give hammond
> suzukii five more years in production and they will fold up.
We'll be watching.
> too much solid
> state & cheap eletronicals
Whatever
> people are shure talking about how hammond today
> too high pricested
Agreed, but it doesnt stop a lot of people from buying 'em!
> and their new hammond organs in the churches are breaking
> down. from static buzzses . playing stiffness.
Really. Ever SEEN a new Hammond organ?!
> and again we have this solid
> state leslies no tubes .
Again, you make me laugh. Do a little research! Ham-Suz has a full line of
fully Tube Leslies built almost identical to the originals!
> we got to go back to the old land mark . the
> 122 tube amp was the best there was and lasttttttt ted longer when not
> abuesed.
AND THEY STILL MAKE EM TODAY :)
> what being use today for electrioncals for the new leslie
> want last as long. and to repair one again the are no tubes to let us know
> there the trouble is comming from .
The tubes talk to you, do they?
> lets go back to the old school and study
> with bring the tube back so repairs will be notisable
REalize-- Tube Amps are simplier than Solid State, and, at least for me, easier
to repair, but STILL-- most competant techs CAN repair solid state, and in the
case of the New TrekII (and HAmSuz) stuff-- _dont_need_to_. At least that's
been my experience.
> but tubes. im changing
> my name to hammondorganman tube roylee untill every one get the message
Yeah that's sure going to convince us! ;)
> the
> boys from the old eletronical school knew what they were doing in the
> hammond 1950's 1960 with the amps the had tube hhhaaaaaaaaa please dont
> tell me time marches on with with shorter lasting solidstate
Time will tell how long the Well made solid state stuff lasts. Agreed, there's
plenty of junk out there too.
> and people
> pooring gobs of money out only for a little worth of eletriacal solidstate
Really. ASk someone like Harv Olson what the new HamSuz stuff really costs to
make, and what it's really worth
> doomed to go out in three month
Oh Really.
> that why i say lets not be so quick to throe out the B3 preamp
NO ONE'S THOWING THEM OUT :) It's just. there are cases where solid state has
an advantage, and cases where stock does as well. Learn to respect that.
Good luck with your Hammond. And dont junk the solid state preamp in there
until you find out what it is and give it a chance.
peace
dan
EXT-Schurr, Larry
charmingly naive, I tire of your paranoia.
Were you to read more and yap less, you'd find that most of us, if not all,
are in large part agreeing with you. You would learn that tubes (with an
'e') are preferred quite often; especially on this NG.
As my respect for LV (Lord Valve) was earned with informative,
uncompromising, rapier witted postings of pro-tube pearls, my money is now
and will likely always be 'on him' in any Hammond contest. But we're just
enjoying ourselves -- not at your specific expense -- but in appreciation of
tube (with an 'e') technology.
Where appropriate, tubes are a fine device. Trek is what it is. I wish
them the best though I own none of their products. However, I, for one, am
glad my computer is solid state.
Larry
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> From: ROYLEE FIZER[SMTP:AM...@NETZERO.NET]
> Reply To: ham...@zeni.net
> Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2001 12:53 PM
> To: ham...@zeni.net
> Subject: Re: [HAM] Why Trek II?
>
> all right come on talk babbbby lest talk hammond tube im reddy . lest
> lest
> try to replace old orgininal with new originial meaning . when the B3
> PREAMP need repairing replace the parts with the same new part in sted of
> putting somthing we dont know about such as a compleatly diffrent set
> with
> no tubes. i would like to ask track would they try reversing there line
> back
> to tubes . it would be better fore repair men to spot troubles in there
> amps
> more better for hammond of all preamps for all hammonds . i give hammond
> suzukii five more years in production and they will fold up. too much
> solid
> state & cheap eletronicals people are shure talking about how hammond
> today
> too high pricested and their new hammond organs in the churches are
> breaking
> down. from static buzzses . playing stiffness. and again we have this
> solid
> state leslies no tubes . we got to go back to the old land mark .
> the
> 122 tube amp was the best there was and lasttttttt ted longer when
> not
> abuesed. what being use today for electrioncals for the new leslie
> want last as long. and to repair one again the are no tubes to let us
> know
> there the trouble is comming from . lets go back to the old school and
> study
> with bring the tube back so repairs will be notisable but tubes. im
> changing
> my name to hammondorganman tube roylee untill every one get the message
> the
> boys from the old eletronical school knew what they were doing in the
> hammond 1950's 1960 with the amps the had tube hhhaaaaaaaaa please
> dont
> tell me time marches on with with shorter lasting solidstate and people
> pooring gobs of money out only for a little worth of eletriacal
> solidstate
> doomed to go out in three month a new 2001 leslie or suzukii c3 or what
> ever
> they make. that why i say lets not be so quick to throe out the B3 preamp
> thank you hammond people
> ----- Original Message -----
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> Sent: Friday, June 29, 2001 8:42 AM
> Subject: RE: [HAM] Why Trek II?
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> >
> >
> >
> > > Now I'd like to see Lord Valve and ROYLEE FIZER discuss the finer
> > > points of tube preamps. LOL :-)
> > >
> > > Cheers!
> > >
> > > Bill
> > >
> > >
> > I got a $50 on LV!
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> > Larry
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Dan ''Spiffy'' Neuman
> BE THE VERY LIFE TO KEEP THEM GOING. BUT WHEN A B3 PREAMP GO BAD DONT BE A
> FAST TO THROW IT OUT REBUILD IT
I agree-- NEVER throw anything out, even if it needs repair. But what is the
magic difference between Bv/2 etc preamps and B3 preamps that Trek II works
wonders for them yet not for B3s?
> ALL IM SAYING IS PEOPLE LOOK IN THE BACK OF THE
> C3'S AND B3S WHEN YOU GO HAMMOND BUYING THEN IF YOU LIKE THE TRACK TWO
> PREAMP BUY THE ORGAN . BUT CHECK IT OUT OPEN THE BACK OF THE ORGAN CHECK AND
> BE OVSERVENT-OF WHAT YOURE BUTING ---------TEST IT ---- PLAY THE
> ORGAN
Very good. Very good.
peace
dan
Stan Curtis
Tim Stoel <tims...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:mailman.9938362...@zeni.net...
> Is the rebuild worth the trouble to restore the
> chassis? Also, where did you get the gold contacts
> for it? I am very interested in replacing my old, worn
> contacts.
>
also makes it easy to patch into the signal if the need ever arises. But
really just 'cos it looked neat
Stan
Dan ''Spiffy'' Neuman
> AND TAKE YOUR VOLTAGE METER AND CHECK FOR POSSIBLE OTHE DAMMAGE THRUGH OUT
> THE AMP BUT POSSEBLE TO REBUILED WHAT YOU HAVE YOU'LL BE GLAD YOU KEPTED
> YOURE TUBE PREAMP
In this case, for me, it's a matter of cost. Which would cost more, to
rewind/replace the tranny or to replace the entire amp with either another AO28
or Solid State. Seeing as all options will work I'd go with the cheapest. If
it's not the cheapest option, IMHO, the use of Trek II comes in when you
1. Need its features
2. Need a lighter preamp
or
3. Have a situation where you're unable to perform routine mainenance like
changing tubes etc.
For an organ in a church, if I had the Option, it'd definetly be Trek II. We
KNOW how churches treat their Hammonds and how often they get repaired. For a
home organ, I'd stay stock, as I'll always have the chance to tinker with it.
For a gig organ, well, that just depends. Probably Trek II because the damn
thing's gonna get banged around so much. But then again The only problem I've
had from banging a Hammond amp around it tubes.
As it is I dont have the choice. I cant afford Trek IIs or rebuild 28's so I
stay with my Stock 28's and 29s, repairing as necessary (often with a little
help from the Fulkosaurus)
peace
dan
Harold
nobody seems to want the rebuild AO 28 job. I have had requests for rebuild
quotes rejected or unanswered or High priced (which I am starting to believe
may be the name of the game
I note Dan's cxomments that the Trek II is a good replacement. The only
adverse comment I've heard is they tend to be "so accurate" that if you have
eome kind of noiseproblem it will be there and more so.
I had the impression that Bill Beer was making a good SS preamp, but also
heard he pased on and no one is continuing his business. Would this be so?
Harold
Scott Hawthorn
>Some of the trek II are no doubt beimg installed because for some reason
>nobody seems to want the rebuild AO 28 job.
Don't say no one. I rebuild them for $400 + parts. (I don't do
transformers.) Pro techs may charge even more. Why? Because it is
labor-intensive.
> I have had requests for rebuild
>quotes rejected or unanswered or High priced (which I am starting to believe
>may be the name of the game
If you ever do one yourself, you will understand why the prices are "high."
BTW, how much should we work for? $40/hr.? $10? $5?
>I had the impression that Bill Beer was making a good SS preamp, but also
>heard he pased on and no one is continuing his business. Would this be so?
Because everything he did was custom and un-documented. In addition, his
parts were sealed in wax (or something). Nobody knows HOW to work on them.
That is Bill's legacy, unfortunately.
-Scott
Harold
> Solid state Haqmmond organs are evil! Transistors
> don't overdrive like tubes do. I can understand a
> replacement of a rectifier with a diode bridge, but
> thats about it.
>
> Tim
I can agree Hammonds post Tg transistor organs were poor.
With a tube Leslie I wonder if the preamp is involved at all in the
desiredHammond overdrive, which I would guess is largely from Leslie tubes.
Who has the answers or even the opinions?
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Dan ''Spiffy'' Neuman
Harold wrote:
> Tim wrote:
>
> > Solid state Haqmmond organs are evil! Transistors
> > don't overdrive like tubes do. I can understand a
> > replacement of a rectifier with a diode bridge, but
> > thats about it.
> >
> > Tim
>
> I can agree Hammonds post Tg transistor organs were poor.
Yes. This of course excludes the current lineup, but instead talking about the
LSI junk boxes
> With a tube Leslie I wonder if the preamp is involved at all in the
> desiredHammond overdrive, which I would guess is largely from Leslie tubes.
If you're talking about organs like the R or T with a stock solid state 70s junk
preamp, you can still get Leslie overdrive but the organ's tone is different--
somewhat harsher and colder. However if you're referring to aftermarket solid
state amps, refer to a different discussion on this list.
BTW a lot of Hammond players with all Tube Hammonds NEVER use "overdrive" and
still rely on the "tube tone" of the original B3 design. This is what all the
new companies are trying, somewhat successfully in some cases, to emulate.
>
> Who has the answers or even the opinions?
Opinions
peace
dan
Tim Stoel
real tonewheels. That thing wasn't too bad, but was
replaced by a tube based organ. If I could get my
T-524 back I would buy it, but I wouldn't spend too
much. It had a lot of creative potential (drums,
reiterate, convenient line out jack, cool percussion)
I wouldn't trade it for my A-100, but I could live
with the T-524 being my main organ if I didn't have
anything else.
Tim
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Robert Hayton
> please keep this message original please dont reword it thank you this lets
> me know that we dont have honnest people in the world to change or reword
> some email THOUGHT'S please leave my message orginial please thank you
Sorry there Roylee. You have a gift for mangling the language that is
totally unsurpassed. And an understanding of the difference between
thermionic and solidstate electronics that is unmatched. Not to mention
ears that can instantly identify the difference.
FWIW, there's no reason why tube preamps from older (non -3) HAMMONDs
can't be rebuilt. They're no more difficult to repair or rebuild than
the AO-28. Gimme a break!
I personally do not own Trek II products; the majority of them aren't
made for HAMMONDs that I own. I believe that they make a replacement
power transformer for the H-100 that may come in handy some day... but
other than that, I would also keep the stock factory HAMMOND electronics
in my personal organs.
That does NOT mean that everybody shares my opinion. Making replacement
HAMMOND amps is a niche in a niche market. There are obviously enough
folks finding this product appropriate for their needs and desires to
make it commercially profitable to produce. That says a mouthful in and
of itself.
And as for solid-state Leslies, our own Bob S had a highly modified 705
(710? 720?) with a 145 attached to a very nice B-3 in his shop at last
Saturday's Garden Party. Aside from the fact that the cabinet is ugly,
I would challenge anybody to say that it didn't sound as good as a
122/147.
A tube or a transistor is just an amplifying device. It's how you =use=
it that counts. =Real= technicians have no trouble working with (and
repairing) either.
Robert Hayton
San Jose, CA
<http://www.myplanet.net/x77dude>
Bull...@aol.com
organ...@bainbridge.net writes:
<< . Why don't you join the
group and sit back and learn something for a few days before you embarrass
yourself any further?
>>
And use a spell checker so we's can tell what the he## you a talking about .
Robert Hayton
>
> p.s injoy your track two . who needs it goooooood bye hammond web for
> ever
Promise?
Lord Valve
thefab5 wrote in message ...
>>I would like to say I am thrilled (!) that LV has finally jumped
>>in here again....his first post since I joined the list recently.
>Man, you sound like a real goof-ball, in my opinion.
LV: Goof-balls sound much better through tubes.
>
>More myths and bullshit. Techno-bigets.
LV: That's "bigots," junior. Work on it.
>Hayden is right. Anybody with any intelligence knows that Valve
>who sells tubes is going to promote tube components.
LV: I not only sell tubes, I have an entire medium-sized
music store full of pro PA equipment. Damn near all
of it is solid state, with the exception of a few
tube-type compressors and whatnot. In fact, I sell
transistors and ICs, too. I'm also a Trek II dealer.
I've installed plenty of Trek SS preamps for guys who
wanted chop jobs; built a few myself way back when.
I assure you I make quite a bit more from selling
a Trek II SS preamp (whether I install it or not)
than I do from a set of B-3 tubes, which I sell for
$49. (Or thereabouts; tube prices are volatile.)
For my own B-3, I would *never* consider a Trek
retrofit. I don't like them fuckin' 3-legged fuses,
they sound funny.
>He would be an asshole if he didn't.
LV: I'd be an asshole no matter what I do. See my
sig.
>I have console organs with the A0-28 and the SS TrekII.
>*This is probably the biggest myth on Hammond Internet*
>(of the far superiority of the AO-28). It is very hard
>to tell the difference.
LV: I'll certainly accept that it's very hard for *you*
to tell the difference. I can tell the minute I sit
down to play one; the percussion lacks a bit of the
"edge" that the AO-28 has. The decay ramp isn't
exactly correct, either. The vibrato (especially
on chorus settings) isn't quite right. These are
small differences, true, but they *are* audible. I
don't like 'em. YMMV.
>There maybe be a *very slight* SS signature when all/most
>of the stops are pulled out, but can be adjusted with bass
>controls (will solve the cap brightness issue too).
LV: You have my permission to like whatever you like.
>No audience member can tell the difference, I assure you.
LV: Depends on who's in the audience, does it not?
>JS, JD, etc., has done performances with Treks of rental
>organs. I have never read listener complaints of artists
>who have played vintage Hammonds at shows with SS's preamps
>of sound quality.
LV: Neither have I.
>Treks are *SOLID RELIABLE*. <- - - - - -
LV: Aside from the crap sliders, ok with me.
>>
>>As a longtime lurker before I joined, Lord Valve came across as
>>one of the stronger personalities on the Hammond Forum.
>And contradicts himself all the time as:
>
>Valve on 5/19 wrote:
>
>>"Ah, forgive me...this NG is *too* good...
>>LV"
LV: That was in support of a person who posted a flame
aimed at Don Erickson. I thought it was funny.
It was posted by some dude named "Tony." You wouldn't
know anything about that, would ya?
>Valve on 5/31 wrote:
>>"This is without a doubt the pissiest NG on the whole goddamn
>>planet, worse than the fag groups, even."
LV: Yep. Is this all you have? Helluva contradiction.
Pardon me, does anyone have a revolver I can borrow?
I'm *so* ashamed...
>Ticklin' and a grinnin',
LV: An image we all could have done without.
>Tony
>
>"I'z says it like it be"
LV: When you've said something worthwhile, Spanky, we'll
let you know. Don't hold your breath.
Lord Valve
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Bull...@aol.com
AM...@NETZERO.NET writes:
<<
p.s injoy your track two . who needs it goooooood bye hammond web for
ever >>
THANK YOU, THANK YOU>
Harry
Bob Schleicher
time. May I share my thoughts on "rebuilding" A0-28's and the TREK II SSP-3?
Makes me sick when I hear about changing every resistor and cap in a
pre-amp. With the exception of the electrolytics, a few coupling caps and
a couple of resistors, not much goes wrong with the pre-amps.
EVERY A0-10 and A0-28 needs new 'lytics! The newest one is over 25 years
old, well past the life of the old caps. Caps from plates to grids MAY
need replacing, the plate and screen resistors to the 6AU6, or 6SJ7's have
probably stretched in value and the plate resistors to the 12AX7, or 6SC7
are also suspect.
Fire the critter up on the bench and use a meter. That will tell you
volumes about the condition of the amp. Every "rebuild" that has come into
my shop has been botched. Either parts were connected to the wrong point,
the wrong value part installed, or the "cut and paste" method of
replacement was used. Cold solder up the a** and a sloppy job at best.
The TREK II pre-amp was designed to sound like a correctly operating A0-28
and it does. Not many of you have heard a really good A0-28! We have done
double blind tests with some of the names you all admire and they can't
tell the difference. I've installed bunches of SSP-3's and have yet to
have a customer have even the slightest remorse. I always leave the
original pre-amp with the customer so the option is there. Never had a
problem with a TREK pre-amp either. Remember, the much loved distortion
comes from the Leslie tube amp, not the pre-amp. When correctly adjusted,
the stock pre-amp is as clean as the TREK unit.
In general, solid state devices will far outlast tube equipment. Lower
operating voltages, cooler running components and in the case of TREK
products, superb engineering and build quality all contribute to
longevity. No annoying tubes to rattle out of sockets and break
either! Provided the device has enough headroom, it really doesn't matter
if a tube, or transistor is moving electrons from one point to
another. There is a LOT of horrible tube gear out there and some really
fine solid state gear. The reverse is also true.
Thanks to all of you who came to our party last Saturday. Joyce, Syd and I
enjoyed meeting some new friends and visiting with old ones.
Going to put on a flameproof suit and get to work.
Steve Jackson
> p.s injoy your track two . who needs it goooooood bye hammond web for
> ever
Roylee, or is it ROYLEE??? A Trek II is a preamplifier. A two track is a tape
recorder. I am not quite certain what a track two might be.
Regards,
Steve
Tony
<detr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote
*And wrote before* somewhere in the archives to somebody else.
> Tony marshalled his Army of One, and bravely sallied forth thusly:
Then wrote:
>When you've said something worthwhile, Spanky, >we'll let you know.
Make a deal with you Whitaker(?) asshole (as you call yourself) when you
type something new, I will type something worthwhile.
Valve reveals:
>You don't know me from Adam, so I'm going to
>give you a little background before I start my rant...my >name is Willie
Whittaker; on the Net I'm known as >"Lord Valve,"
Hey, Willie, guys use *Willy* for the most part, you are male right? But of
course with your admitted and posted viewing of homosexual newsgroups -
hmmmmm?
Whittaker, errrrrr?, sounds like an English name. A US-Limey? as would make
sense from your anglo parodies.
> >Ticklin' and a grinnin',
> LV: An image we all could have done without.
It meant playin' fella. Remember this is a Hammond newsgroup. Only you could
relate Hammonds to sex. Maybe the word "organ"?
But, I suppose the guitar phrase, "pickin' and a grinnin'" you would relate
to picking you nose?
Though I can understand your perverse perception with your "fagget" remarks,
Whittaker, and your admitted hangin' out on the "Fagget newsgroups", as you
posted.
A straight person would understand the phrase.
Whittaker, an who is "we". You need supporters? (Not meant to be 'athletic
supporter' with your sex hangups)
Ticklin' and a grinnin',
Tony
Tony
I don't know Bob Schleicher (except his impeccable reputation name) or him
me.
But,
APPLAUSE TO Bob Schleicher!!!!!!!!!!!
Best post I have read in a long, long time.
Readers: READ AND SAVE THAT POST OVER AND OVER FOR THE TRUTH!!! ON AO-28s
and TreKs.
Pickin' and a grinnin",
Scott Hawthorn
>WHO doesnt know about? Renowned Hammond Tech Gods like Bob Schliecher
>sure know
>about 'em
His name is spelled "Schleicher."
Scott ©¿©
Scott Hawthorn
>Makes me sick when I hear about changing every resistor and cap in a
>pre-amp. With the exception of the electrolytics, a few coupling caps and
>a couple of resistors, not much goes wrong with the pre-amps.
Why does it make you sick, Bob? Hobbyists will be hobbyists. We want to try
things out, and make things new where possible. I pulled some resistors
outta there that had drifted by more than 50%! I did learn something. My
preamp sounded better after I was done, but not by much.
>[snip] Every "rebuild" that has come into
>my shop has been botched. Either parts were connected to the wrong point,
>the wrong value part installed, or the "cut and paste" method of
>replacement was used. Cold solder up the a** and a sloppy job at best.
That may be your experience, Bob, but the ones I have done have came out
perfect. Attention to detail and good soldering technique are important,
yes, but that doesn't mean that everyone who does this is going to do an
incompetent job. Your contention feels like a slap in the face.
I agree with all your other statements here, and I thank you again for all
the exhaustive help you gave me over the phone with my 122 problems (a few
years ago).
Regards,
Tony
Erickson.
That was remarkable judgement and discernment on your part at Erickson's
expense who enjoys posting IP numbers from his list of people he doesn't
like.. As I said before, I am glad I didn't have a static IP that was
broadcasted by Erickson.
Let's cool it with this thread.
Pickin' and a grinnin',
Tony
Robert Hayton
Bob Schleicher wrote:
> Every "rebuild" that has come into my shop has been botched. Either > parts were connected to the wrong point,
> the wrong value part installed, or the "cut and paste" method of
> replacement was used. Cold solder up the a** and a sloppy job at > best.
Having taken the time to examine several examples of Bob's work, I can
assure all of you that there aren't =any= amps that =leave= Bob's shop
in that condition!
I'd take =general= tech skills (especially =soldering= skills) over
HAMMOND-specific skills any day. The advantage with Bob is that you
have the very best of both.
To tie this in with an earlier, although unfortunate, thread... I'd go
for the rebuild over the replacement every time when this quality is
available.
Robert Hayton
San Jose, CA
<http://www.myplanet.net/x77dude>
Lord Valve
little nose out from beneath the porch and yapped thusly
at the Big Dogs as they left for the hunt:
>"Lord Valve" or is it Willie Whittaker?
LV: Oh, absolutely. The Lord's name, address, and phone number
have been a matter of record on the Usenet for many years,
having been inserted at the bottom of His posts some 8000+
times over the last decade. Unlike some.
<detr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote
>*And wrote before* somewhere in the archives to somebody else.
>> Tony marshalled his Army of One, and bravely sallied forth thusly:
LV: That one's good every time it applies. It applied.
>Then wrote:
>
>>When you've said something worthwhile, Spanky, we'll let you know.
>Make a deal with you Whitaker(?)
LV: In order to bargain, one must possess something the other desires.
The Lord's interest is, shall we say, less than fully engaged.
>asshole (as you call yourself)
LV: Forsooth, the Lord is not the only one Who names Himself such.
It is a convenient term, if not fully accurate, and makes a
memorable moniker for those who are less than Mensa material.
Much less, in some cases.
>when you type something new,
LV: The Lord will make a special effort on your behalf.
>I will type something worthwhile.
LV: The Lord politely suggests that entropy will have reduced the
ambient temperature in Hades to less than 0 degrees Celsius
before this occurs.
>Valve reveals:
>>You don't know me from Adam, so I'm going to
>>give you a little background before I start my rant...my name is Willie
>>Whittaker; on the Net I'm known as "Lord Valve,"
>
>Hey, Willie, guys use *Willy* for the most part, you are male right?
LV: The Lord realizes that there is a species of Usenet paramecium
which imagines it sees genitalia under every rock, and lurking
behind every tree. The penis, ubiquitous prey that it is, is
easily hunted by the amateur, since no skill is required. The
Lord will thence refrain from mentioning any object which is
longer than it is wide, so that you may revel in the kill should
you be successful. Look, there goes one now! Away, hounds!
>But of course with your admitted and posted viewing of homosexual
>newsgroups - hmmmmm?
LV: The Lord has indeed seen many articles from those and other
newsgroups, albeit crossposted to the ones He actually
frequents. In fact, the Lord recalls an article posted by
another anonymous "Tony" from alt.eunuch.support into
alt.guitar.amps around five years ago. An acquaintance,
perhaps? No matter.
>Whittaker, errrrrr?, sounds like an English name.
>A US-Limey? as would make sense from your anglo parodies.
>
>>>Ticklin' and a grinnin',
>> LV: An image we all could have done without.
>
>It meant playin' fella. Remember this is a Hammond newsgroup.
>Only you could relate Hammonds to sex. Maybe the word "organ"?
LV: The Lord suggests that if the image you envisioned was one
you found personally disturbing, assistance in overcoming
such a fixation may be found at http://www.wank-wank-wank.org
>But, I suppose the guitar phrase, "pickin' and a grinnin'"
>you would relate to picking you nose?
LV: The Lord is a pedal-kicker, not a shit-kicker. The Lord
has divined your personal direction from your revelation,
and suggests that while the "FOR A GOOD DEAL, CALL BR-549"
poster you have wrapped around your tip-jar may be doing an
excellent job of covering up the cobwebs therein, it may
have had a negative impact on your saaaaaahh-loot intake.
>Though I can understand your perverse perception with your
>"fagget" remarks,
LV: The Lord, being an excellent speller and grammarian, and
a bit of an amateur lexicographer to boot, is unable to
find the quoted term in his Oxford English Dictionary,
and is pleased as punch to have been present at such a
momentous occasion as the coinage of a new word. "Fagget,"
indeed! Splendid, sir, the Lord's hat is off to you.
>Whittaker, and your admitted hangin' out on the "Fagget
>newsgroups", as you posted.
LV: The Lord suggests you quote the relevant text which
proves this assertion.
>A straight person would understand the phrase.
LV: The Lord is disappointed; His worthier adversaries usually
save the "Lord Valve is Gay" post for the endgame, when their
arguments have become thin and they realize they cannot win
in the technical arena. Unfortunately, this has been a short
and relatively uninteresting contest, since you have elected
to remove the entire body of the Lord's post as it pertains
to A0-28 vs. Trek II SS preamps, preferring to build your case
only upon the first and last lines proffered. This leaves you
with nothing more save the Hitler post, which is ultimate
defeat. Although, one of the more inventive miscreants on
alt.guitar.amps managed to craft a new twist during his demise,
having accused the Lord of being both a Nazi and a Jew in the
same sentence; you however, are made of less stellar material
than that one was.
>Whittaker, an who is "we". You need supporters? (Not meant to
>be 'athletic supporter' with your sex hangups)
LV: Quick, there goes another one! After it! Zounds, what fun!
>Ticklin' and a grinnin',
LV: Enjoy!
>Tony
LV: Or so you say.
(lame sigline snipped)
Lord Valve
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I specialize in top quality HAND SELECTED NOS and
current-production vacuum tubes for guitar and
bass amps. Good prices, fast service.
QSC amps, RNC compressors, lots of other good stuff!
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"I wish you were a beer. I wish you were a beer. I wish you
were a beer. Shut up." - The Cycle Sluts from Hell
Scott Hawthorn
>Anonymous Usenet Whacko # 1,489,642,187 poked his wet
>little nose out from beneath the porch and yapped thusly
>at the Big Dogs as they left for the hunt:
> >newsgroups - hmmmmm?
>LV: The Lord has indeed seen many articles from those and other
> newsgroups, albeit crossposted to the ones He actually
Dear PHill, er, "Tony,"
Only a pitiful garbage-pail-scraping with meatloaf for brains would even
dream that such info, even if it were true, would matter one iota to anyone
here who is interested in Hammond organs. Would there be something bad
about being gay, in the synaptic Fourth-of-July that is your brain? If you
want to search for character flaws, check yourself first. I don't give a
bloody shit if LV or anyone else frequents alt.sheer.hosiery or
alt.butt.pluggers. It's simply no one's business, is it?
You may congratulate yourself, as is your wont, on inspiring LV to reach
for his fly swatter; a waste of a highly-sophisticated instrument in your case.
Scott ©¿©
Tony
You good at crossword puzzles too???
1. across:
G* **** ********
Hey, Willie Whittake, man - that was the number one conglomeration of
diarhea I have every read. Tried to read it twice, couldn't read it. Hey a
serious suggestion man, you are a better flamer sober.
But, Erickson gives you an advantage, as I post to the Newsgroup (and my
email is not anon-can be looked up on earlier posts) he sends your
garbage/vomit (which is probably applicable to your SHIT tube products, in
my opinion) all over his list. So knock yourself out.
Keep ripping off the twits for the same said SHIT tube products, in my
opiinion, too. Hey, it is America, legal to rip-off idiots. And your ^%$#ing
ridiculous assinine tech comments that ususally causes a 'correction
thread', then you weasel out of it with your bullshit, in my opinion.
And you calling people "pissy". Whew . . Though it was incoherent that last
post was the "pissiest" I have read on this forum. Shows once again how I
posted earlier that YOU CONTRADICT YOURSELf and have thus lost any
respectability for further "pissy post" whines.
Like I siad earlier, only a *^$#ing idiot can post within 5 days such an
opposite opinion.
Lord Bowel, aka Willie Whittaker on 5/19 wrote:
>"Ah, forgive me...this NG is *too* good...
>LV"
Willie Whittaker on 5/31 wrote:
>"This is without a doubt the pissiest NG on the whole goddamn
>planet, worse than the fag groups, even
I bet the indulgence of anyone with prudence. Can anybody really sane,
change their opinion in 5 days this much??? You are crazy man.
Lord Bowel, and you know, man like 'spelling flaming' is like the dumbest.
Even dumber that those who buy your shit tube stock, in my opinion.
Ticklin' and a grinnin',
Tony
Tony
man and go back to the Post Office instead of kissing ass and bullshiting
twits.
And get off your PC and practice, learn how to swing and stop *^$%ing lying
about doing JDs or others preamps (HA HAHAHA) or as I seen you post doing a
CD with him. Your are a legend in your own mind along with the twits that
support it.
You just plain suck man, in my opinion. Especially as a Hammond player, in
my opinion. Lessons could help. And I laughed when you posted that you agree
with Schleicher, I have read contradrary remarks many times.
A kind suggestion, Hawthorn, money is not evil, get a job!!!!
The homeless shelter will await.
Warren Seale
--- Tim Stoel <tims...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I used to have a T-524, which was solid state but
> had
> real tonewheels. That thing wasn't too bad, but was
> replaced by a tube based organ. If I could get my
> T-524 back I would buy it, but I wouldn't spend too
> much. It had a lot of creative potential (drums,
> percussion)
> I wouldn't trade it for my A-100, but I could live
> with the T-524 being my main organ if I didn't have
> anything else.
>
> Tim
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a choice T-5oo in mint shape. I'm in Oakville Ontario
owned the organ for years no dings sounds gorgeous.
Asking $750.oo (canadian) when you consider the
exchange rate it's a great price. Get back If
interested. Thanks, Warren
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Tony
>Your contention feels like a slap in the face.
Then:
>I agree with all your other statements here,
Bob Schleicher wrote"
>When correctly adjusted, the stock pre-amp is as clean >as the TREK unit.
So Scott (who agrees) you are saying and agreeing that the AO-28 has to come
up to the Trek unit standards as written above?
Moral: Having preamp trouble? Get a Trek and don't rebuild. If you do, know
what needs to be rebuilt.
Treks are great. I love one of my organ's sound with one. Absolutely,
beautifully clean. I love it, but misinformation will pervade.
Scott Hawthorn posted:
> Hobbyists will be hobbyists. We want to try
>things out, and make things new where possible. I >pulled some resistors
outta there that had drifted by >more than 50%! I did learn something.
That is a switch. Your recent posts you were *rebuilding* Joey D's preamps.
Didn't you post that? You "did learn something." So, JD is getting preamps
rebuilt by *hobbyists* who are "learning something"? Maybe true.but I don't
think so. Mendacity?
Pickin' and grinnin',
Dennis Michael Wage
If I could do it with wonderful results, anyone can. And my soldering and attention to detail was so much fun.
Dennis
P.S. 31H's are very top heavy. Found that out last night. Need I say more?
Dan ''Spiffy'' Neuman
> a choice T-5oo in mint shape. I'm in Oakville Ontario
> owned the organ for years no dings sounds gorgeous.
> Asking $750.oo (canadian) when you consider the
> exchange rate it's a great price.
No it's not
Dan ''Spiffy'' Neuman
Take out the amp and rotor to move it. No trouble then :)
peace
dan
Richard Thompson
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dennis Michael Wage" <dw...@bellsouth.net>
Newsgroups: alt.music.hammond-organ
To: <ham...@zeni.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2001 9:47 PM
Subject: Re: [HAM] Why Trek II?
> P.S. 31H's are very top heavy. Found that out last night. Need I say
more?
Yes you do!- inquiring minds.....
Richard Thompson
Tony
>Shotgun rebuilding an A028 can be done by a >chimpanzee... trust me..
Must be a lot of sub-chimps out there as Schleicher contradicts this who
wrote:
>Every "rebuild" that has come into my shop has been >botched. Either parts
were connected to the wrong >point, the wrong value part installed, <snip>
Wage writes:
>If I could do it with wonderful results,
Well, if somebody gets "wonderful results", then you know what the Trek
sounds like that is a *NEW* AO-28
In a fantasy as time and money would not allow it, it would be interesting
for any of these so-called "wonderful rebuilds" to go to Schleicher for an
examination. My guess he would likely find trouble in most.
A word to the wise: Read the Bob Schleicher post when in doubt on this
issue, who has forgotten more than 99.9 percent of the people in this forum
know.
I appreciate the great techs going on record and taking the flak on
controversial subjects and clearing myths, though fools will never listen.
Easier to say nothing.
Pickin' and a grinnin',
mike p
one T-582-C in mint shape , still has the original cassette tape, mic and
book that came with it.. They are fun to play and the sound really isn't bad
for their size.
The thing is, they are worth more parted out than in one piece . If I
asked $100 for the organ I would still be making money , however I could
get much more by parting it out.. Anyone paying 6 and 7 hundred for these
are very impatient people.. Just check the household sales and the papers,
one always turns up, they are not sought after by anyone that plays on the
road, they are for home entertainment. My T -582-C is such a nice looking
organ with everything working that it would be a shame to part out if you
have a love for hammonds as I do and most everyone in the group does.. I
gave mine to my dad to enjoy as I did a 11,000 grandee last year. He
doesn't play alot anymore but likes organs with rhythm and auto accom. As a
reward, everytime I visit my parent's house, I have 2 organs to play
around on. Keep looking and save the big bucks for the Console tube
hammonds with leslies
Subject: Re: [HAM] Too many organs.........my turn
> > Hi Tim, Don't know where you're located but I have
> > a choice T-5oo in mint shape. I'm in Oakville Ontario
> > owned the organ for years no dings sounds gorgeous.
> > Asking $750.oo (canadian) when you consider the
> > exchange rate it's a great price.
>
> No it's not
>
Dennis Michael Wage
Most of the tubes came out and a few broke. A few fixable dings in the wood, even with the heavy duty cover on. The grill on the pickup didn't look too good.
"Richard Thompson" <rgtho...@home.com> wrote in message news:mailman.9940487...@zeni.net...
Richard Thompson
lost control of mine(not fully aware of the top-heaviness) and it landed on
my forearm. Ouch! but no breakage- leslie or me.
Richard Thompson
Lord Valve
Tony wrote:
(no-one is quite sure what it was, but many of them
are scraping their shoes)
My, my...a nasty little anonymous shit, indeed. I can
see that discourse with you is impossible; debating
with a person who is careful to inform us that he
doesn't see anything wrong with being gay in one
breath, and who then uses accusations of the same
as an epithet in the next is an excersize in futility.
By all means, please have the last word.
LV
Dan ''Spiffy'' Neuman
> are very impatient people..
No one is.
Doesnt stop people from ASKING those prices!
peace
dan
Dan ''Spiffy'' Neuman
Am I missing other posts too tho?
and how do I tell? :)
thefab5
---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
Dan ''Spiffy'' Neuman wrote:
>Thank goodness, for some reason, I seem to be not getting any of
Tony's posts.
>
>Am I missing other posts too tho?
>and how do I tell? :)
>peace
>dan
Hey, this goes for me too....I haven't seen anything from the
mysterious Tony.
I just thought Lord Valve was dealing with old posts and sort of
summarizing and responding to the ridiculous crap that's been
thrown around. (I saw some of my words in there too and now I'm
really confused!) Oh, well.
Anyway, I am more concerned (like Dan) about missing other posts
also. What's going on?
Help???
Bill
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Tony
concerned (like Dan) about >missing other posts
> also. What's going on?
Though you won't be reading this either with Ericksons, aka Elmer Fudd's,
censorship, what is going on is Erickson, thinks himself without sin, known
for porting and thieving the Hamtech list and putting it on his Zeni Net
server while updating before being caught, picks individuals who he
particularly doesn't like and filters them from his list. Not letting
readers choose.
You can over-ride his censorship by reading the newsgroup not his 486
enabled list server.
I post to the newsgroup only.
He has a perfect right to do that, but can not say that his list is not
censored or moderated.
Generally, people, like Hayton, who is part of the Hamtech clique in this
newsgroup, need someone like Schuut , HT administrator, to allow, disallow,
or choose who posts or doesn't and what Hayton reads, a true pussy, in my
opinion.
Hayton, into the solding iron that's a wannabe player. But Hayton gets an
'A' for clique-loyalty. Still mad at me for clashing with Hamtech buddy
Hawthorn. Come on Hayton, you can get an opinion of your own without group
politics. The power of the clique.
The easiest thing to do with all forums is to filter or delete people who we
don't like. You own your PC and can control what you read.
Generally, I read *all* posts when time allows even from people I loathe.
Many times the minority view is the *correct* view.
Ticklin' and a grinnin',
Tony
"I'z says it like it be."
Tony
concerned (like Dan) about >missing other posts
> also. What's going on?
Though you won't be reading this either with Ericksons, aka Elmer Fudd's,
Tony
"Lord Valve" <detr...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in
> By all means, please have the last word.
> LV
I already did but it was two (2) words. *Lord Bowel*.
Ticklin' and a grinnin',
Tony
"I'z says it like it be."