[HAM] Leslie 760
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Hi, I'm looking for some advice/opinions. I have a great Hammond chop, an A-100. Have been playing it through a Motin Sound pro 3T and Low pro. Sounds good, but not quite it. have a chance to buy a Leslie 760. I understand the reasons to get a 122 or the like, but really hope to have more volume to avoid constant miking, etc....What does anyone think of the 760? Thanks for opionions/advice, Mark
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Ken Hall
My opinion is that you should get the 760. I moved from a 122 to a 760 with
my B3 and I haven't looked back. There is more power than I ever need,
which is definitely different than the 122. I don't think you'll regret it!
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I agree, I have used a 760 for gigs with a B3 as well as a A100 chop organ.
The 760 cuts through the 8 piece band I play with. The 122 is definitely
warmer but doesn't cut through without micing, which is always a compromise.
MY ears tell me that as long as the preamp is still tubed, then the 760
sounds good.
Good Luck.
Tim
> Mark,
>
> My opinion is that you should get the 760. I moved from a 122 to a 760 with
> my B3 and I haven't looked back. There is more power than I ever need,
> which is definitely different than the 122. I don't think you'll regret it!
>
> Cheers, Ken
>
>
> > Hi, I'm looking for some advice/opinions. I have a great Hammond chop, an
> A-100. Have been playing it through a Motin Sound pro 3T and Low pro. Sounds
> good, but not quite it. have a chance to buy a Leslie 760. I understand the
> reasons to get a 122 or the like, but really hope to have more volume to
> avoid constant miking, etc....What does anyone think of the 760? Thanks for
> opionions/advice, Mark
>
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Ted Lever
I have used a 760 for about 15 years with only one failure (the rectifier
diodes in the power supply went short circuit). The sound is excellent and
you have the advantage of separate bass and treble amps with their own
level controls. I use it with an L-100, (the poor man's Hammond), and it
makes the L-100 really come to life.
Ted
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<< or the like, but really hope to have more volume to avoid constant miking,
etc....What does anyone think of the 760? Thanks for opionions/advice, Mark >>
They sound like a solid state 122/147, not quite as smooth but very good
still.
Plenty loud and durable also.
Harry
David Hagler
--- gunter <ogu...@mypowerlink.net> wrote:
....What does anyone think of the 760? Thanks for
> opionions/advice, Mark
>
Great choice for the money usually & good volume.
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randy
Ted, this is OT for this thread, but do you
have schematics/wiring diagrams for your L-100??
I'm trying to revive an AO-43 amplifier (I think it's from an L-100,
the organ was insurance salvage...bad shape).
Thanks for any help or pointers you can give,
randy jones
Dan ''Spiffy'' Neuman
> have schematics/wiring diagrams for your L-100??
>
> I'm trying to revive an AO-43 amplifier (I think it's from an L-100,
> the organ was insurance salvage...bad shape).
I believe there ware L100 schems on www.captain-foldback.com. LArz zeems to
have everything.
peace
dan
Maciej K.
I know - volume - OK. 90 W is quite loud.
I know - separate amps - OK
but...
..that awful vinyl case... bblleee
.. that awful solid state overdrive sounding like.. {beeeep} ...
There's nothing better than soft and warm overdrive scream of 122-like
leslies.
there's nothing more beauty than the wooden, walnut finished case.
Guys! Wake Up !
760 is good for later solid state organs !!!
A-100 deserves for a good 122-like leslie model !!!
cheers,
Mat.
Ken Hall
I always hear those comments about the 760, usually from people that have
never tried one. I thought the same thing until I saw Joey D. perform with
two 760s. That was awesome and unbelievably powerful. Then I found a deal
on a 760 and bought it. I kept it in my shop for a few months until I
finally got around to plugging it in and modifying it's input to accept 1/4"
inputs for speed switching and signal. Then, a month later I added a 1/4"
out to my B. A month after that, I finally decided to try it for a gig. It
was easy to move ( nicely placed handles and wheels ) and I didn't need to
use moving blankets. I hooked it up and not only did I start to smile, but
so did the drummer. All night people from the audience ( they couldn't see
the Leslie ) asked me what I had done to change the Hammond, because they
could hear it like they never heard it before. I've only gigged once with a
122 since then, in a concert situation where the look was important, and
I've now modified that 122 to accept the signal from an external amplifier
( Gallien Kruger ) because I really missed the power. I suggest you try a
760 before deciding not to use one. I still get a nice growl from my
Hammond - I think the preamp gives me that. I have never felt that there
wasn't enough power with the 760. I wouldn't trade it for a 122.
Cheers, Ken
Maciej K.
A friend of mine used to have a Hammond X-5 combo with L760.
So I had a few ocassions to play on this set.
Solid State amp was not so loud as I could expect (because of amps
condition I think - this 760 was quite old - mid. 70's - and not rebuilded
in any way).
But there was no way to overdrive this Leslie !!!. Gain volume on X-5 preamp
set to max, expression pedal - max, amps volume in Leslie set to max and
still no overdrive. (he used to use a guitar distortion effect 'DEATH METAL'
on effect loop of X-5 to provide a quite nice Lord-like rock 'drive' hehe).
But the worst thing is that awful vinyl case ...
Too much pounds of weight - too less features
hahahaaaaa
cheers,
Mat.
Maciej K.
main features of L760 to me was 3-speed operation
and quiet motor switching because of triac's.
the sound and look of 760 is still poor to me.
cheers,
Mat.
Magnus Enorson
> I always hear those comments about the 760, usually from people that
> have never tried one.
I have gigged with a 760 for a couple of years, and I have 2
observations:
1. The treble is very shrill and unpleasing, but the bass has
excellent definition. The volume is outstanding.
2. The rotary effect is - in a word - awful. The treble rotor sounds
like a 122 without deflectors. BUT - and this is important: (read on)
Not until last week - when I saw a pic of a US 760 with the cloth
removed - have I been aware that the US 760 cabs are different
from the euro ones. The US 760s have something resembling the
traditional louvres... long and narrow openings... behind the cloth.
The euro 760s do not have these; instead there are only a few
"crossmembers" behind the cloth - most of all it resembles a large
open hole. This effectively eliminates all internal reflections in the
treble compartment and causes a "wha-wha-wha" sound ... but I
suspect that with the long narrow openings, a US 760 probably
doesn't suffer from this problem, at least not as pronounced.
This would explain why european people tend to _not_ recommend
the 760 for console use, while US hammondeers are much more in
favor of the idea.
Anyone know the full story behind this??
/Magnus
Calvin Covington
My only complaint about my 760 is that it IS Ugly. Before I got it,
someone had stripped the vinyl and had painted it "Southern Gospel"
white complete with light oak accents...very churchy looking. I
replaced the large back cover with birch plywood with a nice cherry
finish to match the organ as closely as possible, replaced the channel
trim with new black trim. Turned backwards with the horn cover off, it
looks black and cherry (actually kinda cool) on stage.. of course you
can't really see the other three sides the way it is positioned. It is
loud, and sounds great.
However, it is not something I would want in the house. (Translated:
not something my wife would let me bring into the house!) I want to
build a nice looking cabinet. Other than duplicating the 760's shelve's
and just going by pictures of 122's, I don't really have any plans.
Are there cabinet plans available anywhere?
(Sorry for the off topic intrusion...but it IS a 760)
You guys are great! I've learned a ton monitoring this list.
Calvin
Ken Hall
Why not watch for a 770? It's the 760 internals in a 122 cabinet.
Cheers, Ken
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From: "Calvin Covington" <cc...@hiwaay.net>
To: <ham...@zeni.net>
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 1:27 PM
Subject: Re: [HAM] Leslie 760
> Sort of off topic....
>
> My only complaint about my 760 is that it IS Ugly.
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Dan ''Spiffy'' Neuman
> ( Gallien Kruger ) because I really missed the power.
Unless you've modified it by replacing the driver(s), you're setting yourself up
for fry-age.
peace
dan
Ken Hall
Naturally, part of my modification is an upgrade to a driver plate and an
Eden driver. I don't gig with any Jensens any more - too risky. I save them
for recording.
Cheers, Ken
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From: Dan ''Spiffy'' Neuman <mtne...@mailbag.com>
To: <ham...@zeni.net>
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [HAM] Leslie 760
> > I've now modified that 122 to accept the signal from an external
amplifier
> > ( Gallien Kruger ) because I really missed the power.
>
> Unless you've modified it by replacing the driver(s), you're setting
yourself up
> for fry-age.
>
> peace
> dan
>
Orlando Gasperini
head. I tried powering a leslie with a peavy bass amp head once (400watts)
and goodby speakers.. i was young and stupid. even tried putting a 18"
speaker to replace the 15.....Im not a technician but, I learned it doesn't
work.Just mic the leslie....or run a line out to whatever amp you like.
Playing rock? how about a couple of marshall's or a fender twin reverb like
larry young did. need more bass? theres all sorts of mega bass amps out
there....of course by going out to another amp you won't get a warm sound or
leslie effect. Thats why most organists just mic the leslie...
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Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [HAM] Leslie 760
> > I've now modified that 122 to accept the signal from an external
amplifier
> > ( Gallien Kruger ) because I really missed the power.
>
> Unless you've modified it by replacing the driver(s), you're setting
yourself up
> for fry-age.
>
> peace
> dan
>
Al Berg
volume. However, I also have high power drivers that I installed for both
bass and treble. If you want more volume, it works great; you still get the
leslie effect and you can keep up with guitar players. That was what I
needed. However, if you want the "traditional" leslie sound, you won't get
very close with this or any other solid state amp. I know for a fact,
though, that a very prominent leslie parts manufacturer is coming up with a
high powered tube leslie amp (4 6550's in the prototype), so if it's not a
hurry, I'd wait for that.
-Al Berg
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Ted Lever
I have got what is labelled a 760 (the original metal label says so), but it
is in a 122 wooden cabinet with louvres.
I know from the above correspondence that this should be a 770. I live in
England and this is a 240V 50Hz model - has anyone else encountered a 760 in
a wooden cabinet pretending to be a 770?
And when its the only Leslie you can lay your hands on, it sounds good.
Leslies are getting pretty hard to find in England these days.
Ted
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- has anyone else encountered
> a 760 in
> a wooden cabinet pretending to be a 770?
>
they're all like that
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> I know from the above correspondence that this should be a 770. I live
> in England and this is a 240V 50Hz model - has anyone else encountered
> a 760 in a wooden cabinet pretending to be a 770?
Aye. This is the normal situation in Europe, although I believe that
in the US, the 770 is labeled properly.
> And when its the only Leslie you can lay your hands on, it sounds
> good. Leslies are getting pretty hard to find in England these days.
The770 is a good-sounding Leslie... the wood cabinet seems to
take away most of the flaws that the 760 (in europe) is so disliked
for. And what's left of the shrillness, the additional volume you get
more than makes up for.
/Mag
David J Neal
louvres and 6 inches at the top. The rest of the three sides and the top
surface are a cheap veneered chip board. Nevertheless, it sounds good with
my M-102, though I could do with a straight channel to separate out the
reverb.
David
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Subject: Re: [HAM] Leslie 760
--- Ted Lever <ted....@ntlworld.com> wrote:
- has anyone else encountered
> a 760 in
> a wooden cabinet pretending to be a 770?
>
they're all like that
DDH
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others, thanks for the comments on the 760...got me thinking but great to hear
from players, mark
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> > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 4:52 PM
> > Subject: Re: [HAM] Leslie 760
> >
> >
> > > > I've now modified that 122 to accept the signal from an external
> > amplifier
> > > > ( Gallien Kruger ) because I really missed the power.
> > >
> > > Unless you've modified it by replacing the driver(s), you're setting
> > yourself up
> > > for fry-age.
> > >
> > > peace
> > > dan
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> Not until last week - when I saw a pic of a US 760 with the cloth
> removed - have I been aware that the US 760 cabs are different from
> the euro ones. The US 760s have something resembling the traditional
> louvres... long and narrow openings... behind the cloth.
Don't know if all Euro-Leslies are built that way. I own 3 760s, only
one has the untraditional louvres (I think it was made in Denmark)
and two have the normal louvres (perhaps made in the UK). The
used materials are different, too: the danish 760 is made from
particle board and sprayed black, the other are from ...-wood and
covered with black vinyl.
Wolfgang
Al Berg
The new four tube leslie that I referred to is actually an insert that
will go in place of the stock leslie amp. As far as I have been told, the
amp will be made with both unbalanced and balanced inputs (147 and 122
style). Currently what I have seen is a prototype which they are working
the bugs out of and designing an amp chassis. Although I have not as yet
heard this amp, the manufacturer told me that it sounds just like the 40
stock amp, breaks up really nicely, and is a hell of lot louder than stock.
4 6550's, 2 12AX7's solid state relay, etc. The amp is intended to be used
with the new 100 watt leslie drivers (122A drivers) and currently they are
looking for a good match for the lower driver. I will get more information
out as soon as it is available.
-Al Berg
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alb...@excite.com writes:
<< The amp is intended to be used
with the new 100 watt Leslie drivers (122A drivers) and currently they are
looking for a good match for the lower driver. I will get more information
out as soon as it is available.
>>
Weber makes a really nice and affordable 15" -16ohm 100watt speaker, that's
what I am using along with a Ham-Suz fero cooled upper driver. Different
models for different sounds, I'm using a Chicago,(cause I live in Illinois of
course)
http://www.webervst.com/
Harry