HAMMOND X77- THE SLEEPING GIANT?
Donnyc
Here is a list of things on the plus side:
-FULL 61 note 25 pedal concert organ!!
-MANUALS have "Bass All The Way Down" Think Jazz!
-PEDALS have REAL string bass Think Jazz!!!
-TONEGENERATOR has 96 to B3s 91 tone wheels, and its loud as hell!!
-SMOOTH DRAWBARS Ya get 11 to the B3s 9!
-LESLIE X77L puts bass on a separate channel
-REVERB Real gibson DEEP reverb!
-UPPER&LOWER manuals selectable on rotor OR fixed speakers
-LOOKS GORGEOUS In your living room
-SEE EBAY You can pick these up cheap, cheap,$500
If there are interested (AND BRAVE) people out there, I will share my MODS
to turn this borring thing into a KILLER BX377 BRAIN MELTING MONSTER!!
Michael Meidahl Jensen
"Donnyc" skrev i en meddelelse
> -SEE EBAY You can pick these up cheap, >cheap,$500
Well her in Denmark a X77 will cost 2000 eur , $2500 !!
--
Venlig Hilsen
Michael Meidahl Jensen
www.tidsfaktoren.dk m...@FJERNDETTEtidsfaktoren.dk
Lord Valve
Donnyc wrote:
> The X77 (Stock) has many FIXABLE problems.
> Here is a list of things on the plus side:
> -FULL 61 note 25 pedal concert organ!!
> -MANUALS have "Bass All The Way Down" Think Jazz!
> -PEDALS have REAL string bass Think Jazz!!!
Actual strings, F-holes, rosin and whatnot?
Damn, that's advanced.
> -TONEGENERATOR has 96 to B3s 91 tone wheels, and its loud as hell!!
The tone generator is loud as hell? Hmmmm....try oiling it...
> -SMOOTH DRAWBARS Ya get 11 to the B3s 9!
> -LESLIE X77L puts bass on a separate channel
I'm sure Joey DeFrancesco will run right out and buy one...
> -REVERB Real gibson DEEP reverb!
Gibson?
Are you sure you don't mean Gibbs Manufacturig, division
of the Hammond Organ Company? Maybe you need your
eyes checked...
> -UPPER&LOWER manuals selectable on rotor OR fixed speakers
Yawn.
> -LOOKS GORGEOUS In your living room
Ah. I'm beginning to understand.
> -SEE EBAY You can pick these up cheap, cheap,$500
> If there are interested (AND BRAVE) people out there, I will share my MODS
> to turn this borring thing into a KILLER BX377 BRAIN MELTING MONSTER!!
Well, it certainly appears to have melted yours.
Hey, I got a Farfisa you might be interested in...
reverb an' shit, separate bass output...*also*
sounds like ass.
Lord Valve
Expert
Donnyc
First of all, the 1933 "Model B" organ was designed to be bought by a poor
church that couldn't afford a pipe organ! The X77 was designed in the late
60s for PROFESSIONAL musicians who want to do more than JUST SHOW OFF AND
HURT PEOPLE'S EARS!!
String Bass...obviously you haven't played the X77. TG being "Loud as
Hell" I'm talking about the OUTPUT...being 33mv VS B3s 7mv YOU DOOR KNOB!
As to the Joey DeFrancesco remark...No he gets his organs free from
Hammond-Suzuki.
"Hey I got a FARFISA"...how old are you...12!
GOD...and I thought you were good enough to be taken seriously... ERROR!
ERROR!
Tony
> OK..."Lord Valve" YOU ASKED FOR IT!!
> First of all, the 1933 "Model B" organ was designed to be bought by a poor
That is amazing the "B" being manufactured before the model "A"
Model A: Manufactured from June 1935 through October 1938
In fact, the first Hammond with a "B" in it was the BC, :manufactured from
December 1936 through November 1942
The organ first commonly called the proverbial "B" and referred today as a
"B" (B2, B3) was manufactured first as a B2 from December 1949 through
December 1954
> .. ERROR! ERROR!
Indeed.
Tony
Donnyc
rendering was a slightly larger and heavyer version of a BC, BV, B2, B3
cabinet. FYI, the ORIGIONAL Model A bearing serial number 1 is resting
peacefully at the Smithsonian Institution.
Also, I DO NOT understand the ugly tempered flack from you so-called
experts. All I'm trying to do is help those who possess an X77...and I'm
NOT selling my considerable experise on EBAY either!!! IF you guys truly
LIKE/LOVE the tonewheel Hammond, and want it to prevail. Then may I
suggest you big shots stop trying to rip off all those many kids around
the world who ACTUALLY BOUGHT ONE...and just offer some assistance...LIKE
I AM!!!!!!!!!!
Tony
> all those many kids around the world who ACTUALLY BOUGHT ONE...and just
offer some assistance...LIKE
> I AM!!!!!!!!!!
You may want to look at Bob Hayton's page with some X77 stuff.
http://www.myplanet.net/x77dude/home.html
I don't know if he has an email on it, but for X77 info, he is probably the
guy to get a hold of who is into it.
Tony
Lord Valve
LV
Lord Valve
Donnyc wrote:
> All I'm trying to do is help those who possess an X77
Sell 'em some earplugs.
> ...and I'm
> NOT selling my considerable experise
Experise? How, er...experising.
> on EBAY either!!! IF you guys truly
> LIKE/LOVE the tonewheel Hammond,
I don't give a shit if it has tonewheels in it.
All I care about is how it sounds. A tonewheel generator
is simply a set of small AC generators driven by a central
shaft; at the time, it was the best way to do things. (It was
a shrunken version of the Telharmonium, which had to
be hauled around on a *train*.) If you think a tonewheel
generator cannot be successfully digitally emulated, you
are every bit as cracked as you appear to be. Welcome
to the 21st century, asshole.
> and want it to prevail. Then may I
> suggest you big shots stop trying to rip off all those many kids around
> the world who ACTUALLY BOUGHT ONE...
May I suggest you offer *proof* that any of us has ripped off *anyone*?
Because if such proof is not forthcoming, you have just committed
slander as well as libel. C'mon, jerk - start Googling.
> and just offer some assistance...LIKE
> I AM!!!!!!!!!!
Hit the google archives, junior.
You're a fuckin' smart-ass noob with a large mouth.
Lord Valve
Expert
Donnyc
Ya, I emailed him a while back...he fixed it up and donated it to his
church...a nice guy who DOSN'T have an EVIL, NASTY, word for anyone.
AND I QUOTE "All I care about is how it sounds. A tonewheel generator is
simply a set of small AC generators driven by a central shaft; at the
time, it was the best way to do things. (It was
a shrunken version of the Telharmonium, which had to be hauled around on a
*train*.) If you think a tonewheel generator cannot be successfully
digitally emulated, you are every bit as cracked as you appear to be.
Welcome
to the 21st century, asshole". ???? YIKES!!!!
Note to all those other REAL Hammond nuts out there, I engaged in this
little pingpong battle with the infamous "Lord Valve" to bring out just
what kind of person he/she truly is. Nuff said!!
END OF THIS DISCUSSION
Lord Valve
Donnyc wrote:
Information-dense translation:
"LV kicked my ass. I shall now retire to lick my wounds."
Lord Valve
Expert
Tony
> Ya, I emailed him a while back..<snip>
Apparently knows or knows of Bob Hayton
and
> with the infamous "Lord Valve" to bring out
Apparrently, know or knows of Lord Valve, with an opinion
with
> I engaged in this
> little pingpong battle with the infamous "Lord Valve" to bring out just
> what kind of person he/she truly is. Nuff said!!
> END OF THIS DISCUSSION
Sir, it is apparent you know the personalities and just posted to cause
trouble. Probably knows Hayton from the Hamster list that didn't like
something Valve wrote. Maybe the same one or two people from CA who come in
here (along with the better posters from CA) that is offended by some
rhetoric written, and either start whining with righteous indignation or
trying to start a flame war - the last one I filtered it was so dumb. I
notice too he illiminated my remarks from his replies to *my* posts, so
apparently has an 'ax to grind' with me too.
The person he mentions is not perfect either, being on the receiving end of
flames when he was sticking up for OF a couple years ago or so. No sense
bringing it up again - a while back.
*I would suggest to go back to Hamster* (where he knows Hayton "while back")
and have a Lib-fest.
Yeah, I know - you never heard of it - just heard of Valve and Hayton and
know, know of, them.
You are revealed.
<end of discussion (I hope) for me in this thread>
Tony
Tony
'nonsense posting'<--- where just about *none* of your remarks made any
sense -model dates, opinions, representations, etc . . .
.but you know that don't you?
Tony
Bill Hicks the 2nd
Hi
I was lucky (?) enuff to have a very quick go on an X 77 about 10 years
ago - I couldnt really get to grips with it in the time allowed as it
were - but the sheer size of the thing made it impractical for anything
other than home use - and it also had two MASSIVE rotary cabs with it
that I wasnt overly keen on (the sound of that is - it might just have
been an X 77 in need of some TLC)
I seem to remember that Groove Holmes recorded an entire LP on an X 77
in the 70's- but I havent heard it so cant comment further - but Groove
was so utterly brilliant he could make a Bontempi sound fantastic!!
Thats no help at all is it?!!!
Bill Hicks the 2nd
Donnyc
I believe what you experienced in your X77 try out was a problem of
ORGAN--NO GUTS!! This can absolutely be fixed by performing the Hammond
Factory mods. Also...wrap you head around this!
How about adding (To stock X77)a B3 vibrato scanner, line box and "Art
Tube" preamps. Furthermore, changed the leslie's bottom rotor motor to 2
speed & cut out the annoying space generator...UGH! not needed! Try...B3
on steroids! FYI...2 150 watt leslies is insane, try one...wired
properly...AHHH thats better.
By the By...what do you have???
Don
Bill Hicks the 2nd
Hammond isnt practical for me!
My rig is a 1961 C3 and 122 Leslie - its a very 'British' Hammond - as
it was assembled 'under licence' by historic British instrument
manfacturers Boosey & Hawkes - who used to ship in the parts from
Chicago and build them here before Hammond had its own permamant
presence here is the UK....
And it really is a lovely looking and sounding C3 - it was like new
when i bought it - never gigged - never been in s studio (until I got
my grubby mits on it)
Ive had it split (sniff) didnt want to - but I had to - I couldnt even
get it through the door of my house when it was whole.. Its fully wired
up with bass pedals - although it does also have jack output as I often
like to go through a straight amp as I am a massive fan of Brian Augers
playing - and part of his unique sound is that he dont use them
Leslies!! And the fact that he is one of the nicest people Ive ever met
- and a musical/keyboard genius - thats the bit Im still working on!
Since I bought it (for £650 in 1991!!!) Ive hired it to Jimmy Smith,
Brian Auger, Dr Lonnie Smith, Rueben Wilson, Bobby Watley of Funk Inc,
Big John Patton, great NY organist Adam Scone - of the Sugarman 3 and
Lou Donaldson Qrt - the UK's J.T.Q..and some very hip other people!
Of course - there are those who say I am mad to bother to gig with the
real deal these days - and that contemporary clones are now just as
good...well they might be..but I just love all the hassle..I must be a
masochist...there... Ive said it!
Cheers Bill Hicks the 2nd
Donnyc
DON'T let ANYONE tell you that a bunch of chips can duplicate the TRUE
sound of a B3.
Oh sure, they can duplicate the basic tonality, and a reasonable
representation of Hammond's vibrato scanner sound...BUT. Theirs DOES NOT
have the DYNAMIC RANGE that ONLY comes from a valve driven/air capacitor
volume system. And the A0-28 precussion drive is a whole tone generator in
itself!
FYI, re the Hammond too big problem. YUP, I solved that one COLD. Took 450
hours of my spare time...but here's what I end up with. By the way, most
of this time was designing.
Console section = manuals+associated stuff ONLY.
Bottom section = TG + A0-28 preamp etc etc
Bottom section has (6) 15 pin cinch jones sockets, and the Console section
has plugs on short cables that connect to these. NOTE: NO 120VAC in
Console section! Custom built two part case system...a dead ringer for a
Fender Rhodes!
Weight is...Console section 135 LBS
Bottom section 140LBS
Cabinet Finish...ebony black & stainless steel!
THERE IS NO HUMM, NO CROSSTALK!
PS: yes there are 25 note B3 pedals
Tony
> Hmmmm, nice post Bill.
You can't work for the BBC too . .eh? Not very good reporting.
> DON'T let ANYONE tell you that a bunch of chips can duplicate the TRUE
> sound of a B3.
French Fries, you are right, cannot do that. They sizzle nicely though. I
hope BBC-keeps believing what he does .A microprocessor, though, . .
can. .
> Oh sure, they can duplicate the basic tonality, and a reasonable
> representation of Hammond's vibrato scanner sound...
First thing I noticed with my clone was that the scanner sound much better
than my B3, maybe pointing to a line-box rebuild.
> BUT. Theirs DOES NOT
> have the DYNAMIC RANGE that ONLY comes from a valve driven/air capacitor
> volume system.
Valve? <UK poster?>
> And the A0-28 precussion drive is a whole tone generator in
> itself!
Speakeasy preamps for clones are built just about exactly like the back-end
of an Ao-28, some cite "exactly". Some who have bought the XK3 say that it
is so good a B3 sound that a tube preamp is not necessary and find the solid
state 1122 kits acceptable.
> FYI, re the Hammond too big problem. YUP, I solved that one COLD. Took 450
> hours of my spare time...but here's what I end up with. By the way, most
> of this time was designing.
With an X77?
> THERE IS NO HUMM, NO CROSSTALK!
> PS: yes there are 25 note B3 pedals
You *sure* it sounds as good as you think? Obviously . .yes .
.'God-bless-ya' . . . and keep thinkin' it and 'not to listen' to
anyone!
Tony
Tony
> Well - you might be right about that..but as I gig alot an even bigger
> Hammond isnt practical for me!
> Of course - there are those who say I am mad to bother to gig with the
> real deal these days -
Yeah but you don't have to move it with your audience of *1* - your 'saint'
girlfriend.
. . . and she is a *saint* . . . .I don't think I
could listen repeatedly, infinitum to.
'I've Got a Lovely Bunch of Coconuts'.'Hits from Two-Ton, Tessie O'Shay',
'Bobbing Up and Down Like This', 'The Cliffs of Dover', and a 3 modulation
production number using pedals of 'Land of Open Glory' dedicated to the
'Guns of Bella"-Claaaaarrrrrrrrrrrvaaaaaaaaaaa' . . . and that funny
medley you do dedicated to the memory of Mr, Pastry.
Tony
Lord Valve
Tony wrote:
He doesn't know you can't polish a turd.
No matter how hard he rubs it, it's still a piece of shit.
Lord Valve
Expert
Bill Hicks the 2nd
Bill Hickstonville
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I am from Toronto and I own a Hammond X77, I have this question for you, how do I maintain this Beast, I really love my Organ but I would like to be able to take care of it.
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> The X77 (Stock) has many FIXABLE problems.
> Here is a list of things on the plus side:
> -FULL 61 note 25 pedal concert organ!!
> -MANUALS have "Bass All The Way Down" Think Jazz!
> -PEDALS have REAL string bass Think Jazz!!!
> -TONEGENERATOR has 96 to B3s 91 tone wheels, and its loud as hell!!
> -SMOOTH DRAWBARS Ya get 11 to the B3s 9!
> -LESLIE X77L puts bass on a separate channel
> -REVERB Real gibson DEEP reverb!
> -UPPER&LOWER manuals selectable on rotor OR fixed speakers
> -LOOKS GORGEOUS In your living room
> -SEE EBAY You can pick these up cheap, cheap,$500
> If there are interested (AND BRAVE) people out there, I will share my MODS
> to turn this borring thing into a KILLER BX377 BRAIN MELTING MONSTER!!
regisc...@gmail.com
regisc...@gmail.com
regisc...@gmail.com
Lord Valve
The idiot who posted originally probably hasn't
been on this NG in over a decade. Be that as it
may, the X-77 was a screamin' piece of shit in
2005, it's still a screamin' piece of shit in 2018,
and it always will be.
Lord Valve, ThD
Expert (fuck you)
revh...@gmail.com
> The X77 (Stock) has many FIXABLE problems.
> Here is a list of things on the plus side:
> -FULL 61 note 25 pedal concert organ!!
> -MANUALS have "Bass All The Way Down" Think Jazz!
> -PEDALS have REAL string bass Think Jazz!!!
> -TONEGENERATOR has 96 to B3s 91 tone wheels, and its loud as hell!!
> -SMOOTH DRAWBARS Ya get 11 to the B3s 9!
> -LESLIE X77L puts bass on a separate channel
> -REVERB Real gibson DEEP reverb!
> -UPPER&LOWER manuals selectable on rotor OR fixed speakers
> -LOOKS GORGEOUS In your living room
> -SEE EBAY You can pick these up cheap, cheap,$500
> If there are interested (AND BRAVE) people out there, I will share my MODS
> to turn this borring thing into a KILLER BX377 BRAIN MELTING MONSTER!!
Lord Valve
been on this NG in over a decade. Be that as it
2005, it's still a screamin' piece of shit in 2019,
Lord Valve, ThD
Expert (fuck you)
the passage of time.)
factr...@gmail.com
Lord Valve
> Donny would have liked to hear more. Please post in another group or open a youtube channel.
