Q: 2' drawbar is dead
Martin Lührs
Today I noticed, that the 2' drawbar of the upper manual of my L-100 is
dead :-(
Does anybody have an idea what could be the reason? I didn't open the
organ yet, but maybe somebody knows what's "usually" the reason for dead
drawbars?
Thanks Martin
Tony
has come off the drawbar. Open 'er up,
> it won't bite.
>
> -Organfreak
*Unless* . . .you have the tone in one manual and not
the other then it could be a key contact issue that can be a * major
hassle*, so much, that usually people who have one tone not working on one
key on one manual unless it is primarily used tone, from a key contact
issue (though moving or cleaning the busbar may help) many times wait until
they lose more tones before breaking open the manuals.
Tony
M. Gregory Holmes
I'd stick with the loose wire on the drawbar theory, as each drawbar only
pertains to one manual as well. (Tony's statement regarding you only having
the tone in one manual is a tad misleading, or at least confusing. Besides,
you stated that the drawbar was dead, so I'm assuming it's you've already
determined that it's dead the entire length of the keyboard...You can
therefore eliminate key contacts too.) You don't want to chase after
busbars yet, even if you've eliminated the wire coming loose from the end of
the drawbar as the culprit. I'd check the continuity of that drawbar wire
back to its origin, as they can appear good when they're actually broken
inside the insulation.
Good luck!
Greg Holmes
Tony <hammo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Paul Zein
(Tony's statement regarding you only having
> the tone in one manual is a tad misleading, or at least confusing.
Howard Page
the organ is a wire soldered to it. These will occasionally break off. and
are easy to repair. Howard Page
"Martin Lührs" <m.lu...@web.de> wrote in message
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Tony
drawbar on the upper manual is dead.
> Nothing to do with key contacts. 99/100 times, the wire is off.
> That'll be $40!
>
> -Organfreak
Not so fast. You may owe him 40 dollars for wasting his time.
Let's hear from Martin.. Absolutely, to anyone of reading prudence. Martin
did not supply all the information to make any these judgements with his
small, 12 word did somebody say? commentary. My remarks were based on the
preamble "unless"/
My comments were preambled by "Unless" meaning all the information was not
presented and did not disagree with the simpler theory.
And I resent the term "misleading" that Holmes used. . I think it is most
misleading when a person like Holmes makes assumptions over 12 words and
then proceeds with firm advice without having all the information like he
has diagnosed the organ himself. THAT is misleading and irresponsible.
What I stated is A FACT and a well known Hammond organ problem with 30 plus
year old instruments and brittleness of the tiny 9 contacts per key. You
take issue with that then you are an idiot. in my opinion or a newby.
The problems with key contacts I cited are very common not 1 per cent. I
have 2 consoles each with 1 tone on one manual off because of key contact
issues. Not worth me ripping apart the manuals as the tone is in a very
minor place.
Many can relate to this so it is bullshit to cite it as a 1 per cent problem
though I say ***it very well could be simply be the drawbar.*** If Martin
fails to post further information then nobody knows.
Tony
Martin Lührs
Thanks a lot for all your comments. I'm a newbie to all this and didn't
know that i didn't give enough information.
So: the 2' drawbar of the upper manual is dead in all positions on all
keys. Therefore, IMHO this doesn't seem to be a problem with the
key-contacts, but i may - being a newbie - be wrong.
But if it *was* a key-contact problem - wouldn't that mean, that in
*each* key the 2' contact was broken?
I hope i managed to pint out the problem more properly.
Greetings Martin
Tony
> Hi folks!
> Thanks a lot for all your comments. I'm a newbie to all this and didn't
> know that i didn't give enough information.
> So: the 2' drawbar of the upper manual is dead in all positions on all
> keys.
That tells a lot more. It is probably the wire to the drawbar as originally
stated without my "unless".<-----
>Therefore, IMHO this doesn't seem to be a problem with the key-contacts,
but i may - being a newbie - be wrong.
No, doesn't seem to be a problem with that like you say from your
clarification.
> But if it *was* a key-contact problem - wouldn't that mean, that in
*each* key the 2' contact was broken?
No . . .just the *one key only*, but, the tone will work on
other keys but not the key with a contact problem. On Hammond drawbar
organs a single tone or frequency will appear at different keys on the
keyboard depending on what single drawbar is pulled out and what key is
depressed. . One of the first signs of key contact problems is the tone of
one single drawbar with one key depressed works on one manual, but, *not*
on the other manual (or perhaps an issue with the center terminal strip but
unlikely) with same footage drawbar pulled out and the same key depressed
on the other manual.. It is considered an easier fix when *both* manuals
have the same tone missing that may be an easily fixed terminal strip
problem. There is a chart that shows the tones or frequencies and where
they appear/reappear in what drawbar/key combination in an owners manual but
it is easy to find by ear but dont worry about it as it is not your problem
from what you describe.
> I hope i managed to pint out the problem more properly.
Yes! Thanks for clarifying.
Tony
M.L.
butter,
the less you have, the most you spread it.
Under each tone bar is a small component (a resistor) quite difficult to reach
:
You must dismantle all the set !
This component is breakable (this happened to me under warranty in the 70's
! )
Goff could tell you what is the value of this simple resistor.
M.L.
X13
Admit it, you were wrong, organfreak was right. You misread the first post.
X13
Tony
> Admit it, you were wrong, organfreak was right. You misread the first
post.
>
> X13
Here I go answering another troll/Ercikson lister or Organfreak answering
himself again on another account/alias
You kinow I don't blame Martin for not following up with his problem with
all these idiotic posts.
First of all CAN YOU FRIGGIN" READ 'X13" ?
Apparently not.
I used the term "unless". Here is the meaning of "unless" as apparently you
don't know.
1 : except on the condition that : under any other circumstance than
2 : without the accompanying circumstance or condition that : but that :
AND he did not, provide all the information to diagnose on the Internet with
12 words. Anybody who thinks that is a fool. (that is not a slur to Martin
who is a nice guy unlike this trash-troll who posts trying to 'stir the
shit'.)
Tony
X13
> Today I noticed, that the 2' DRAWBAR of the upper manual of my L-100 is
> dead :-(
> Does anybody have an idea what could be the reason? I didn't open the
> organ yet, but maybe somebody knows what's "usually" the reason for dead
> DRAWBARS?
You, on the otherhand, totally misread his email. Notice my caps.
> *Unless* . . .you have the TONE in one manual and
not
> the other then it could be a key contact issue that can be a * major
> hassle*, so much, that usually people who have one TONE not working on one
> key on one manual unless it is primarily used TONE, from a key contact
> issue (though moving or cleaning the busbar may help) many times wait
until
> they lose more TONES before breaking open the manuals.
He did not say tones, he said drawbars.
You won't admit you are wrong because you answered it wrong ON PURPOSE to
once again start this.
I am more than happy to comply with you. You are an ignoramus and an
unstable person.
The definition of insanity is, doing the same things over and over and
expecting different results. Also, deranged people also take delight in
pointing out flaws in other people, and when upon closer examination will
see that who they are really criticizing is themselves.
This character is actually the "troll", "flamer", "bitch", liar, "jerkoff",
etc. etc.
troll
1. v.,n. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To utter a posting on
Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames; or, the post
itself.
In the month of June alone, here are the threads started by this character:
OT: My forum problem
The newsgroup is being spammed by mimic posts
Getting flamed again on Erickson's list my reply.
Fab5 "Bill" inferring Internet personal threats on list and who is "Bill"?
The real Hammond Internet/electronic appliance hobbyists
Troll situation
What a perfect example of a _______!!!! You fill in the blank.
Tony, you think you are so transparant and usenet savy. Well, everyone sees
through your bullshit. Everyone thinks your a prick, and no one knows if
you can even play a fucking note on a Hammond organ.
Do everyone a favor Tony and stop posting to this newsgroup and go directly
to hell!!!!
All in favor reply with aye.
Martin Lührs
CHILL!
I just put up a simple question and I didn't intend to get you arguing
against each other!
I thought I'd get some answers for my problem but I didn't expect to get
you guys fighting against each other again.
I won't be able to look after my L-100 before Wednesday and I'll let you
know what was the reason as soon as I know.
Greetings Martin
Martin Lührs
Hi folks!
I fixed the 2' drawbar today. It was just a loose wire on the drawbar.
Thank you all for your advice!
Greetings Martin
M. Gregory Holmes
Glad you took Organfreak's advice. It was clearly the right thing to do
based on your description of the problem. I'm sure guys like him will
continue to give you good direction, as their goal is clearly to help fellow
"Hammondeers" out. Too bad you had to wade (oops, I said "wade"...wrong
newsgroup) through so much BS before the dust settled, but the important
thing is that you got it fixed.
Best of luck,
Greg Holmes
Martin Lührs <m.lu...@web.de> wrote in message
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Tony
> Glad you took Organfreak's advice. It was clearly the right thing to do
That is real technical advice 'look for a wire off'. *No one disagreed with
Martin looking for a wire off*.
That is the first thing anyone looks for. There was no difference of
opinions since my opinion was that there was not enough information in his
12 word first post, idiot.
Thus, my word "unless" that appendixed Freako's remark that *you*
sarcastically responded too. You got a bug up your ass?
Hey Holmes, go to hell you sirly, unfair son && a b$#@ *Nobody else gave
him any other advice*. My remarks were based on *unless*.
I suggest Holmes if you want to join Organfreak's 'twit following me tooers'
or 'Hammond sub-80IQ club' go over to Zeni net and you will find his posts
all over the group daily and kiss his ass.
(ooo I am going to scared by Organfreak's next post)
Tony
(frightened)
Tony
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> interested in a valuable Hammond resource to check out http://www.zeni.net
was brilliant. I'm done now...
Good. F**k off.
You one post a month question average will be sorely missed,
Tony
Paul Zein
M. Gregory Holmes
this newsgroup the time of day anymore is because of your endless dribble.
Martin, and others like him should be glad that there are a few people left
who are more interested in sharing knowledge and ideas than in observing
your pissing matches.
No doubt you have some valuable things to share. Unfortunately they can't
be seen through the barrage of venom you feel obliged to pollute this group
with. I typically don't respond to your attempts to incite people, but felt
it important that guys like Martin know just who they're dealing with. You
are very transparent.
By the way...what followed *unless* in your original attempt to discredit
Scott's post still doesn't make any sense! But...your suggestion for those
interested in a valuable Hammond resource to check out http://www.zeni.net
was brilliant. Much less flaming going on over there.
I'm done now...
The *idiot* - Greg Holmes
Tony <hammo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Tony
for those
> interested in a valuable Hammond resource to check out
> was brilliant.
You act like that is new? Well that is funny.
*You* are all over the Erickson list, bigtime,
. . . .and look who you write about on that list,
including, <name deleted> another friend of yours *famous for his long,
malicious SPAM attacks to AMHO, this newsgroup.* Not to mention his 'ban for
life' off the Hamtech list for his malicious conduct and IRC counterfeiting
attempts and use of malicious script. Holmes is easily musically impressed
also. (some lessons might solve your juvenile charm with mediocre/poor
players)
Holmes writes on the Erickson list:
>Thu May 30 23:23:01 2002
>Dennis,
>Loved your streaming audio. Both your playing and your rig sound great!
>I noticed on both <name deleted> and your clips that your rigs have that
nice warm
>distortion going on.
Holmes arn't these the **two people that I have unfortunately, how do I say
a 'not so good' rapport?**
Your friends?
I wonder why Holmes and I don't 'hit it off'? I wonder why Holmes snipes
sarcastically at my posts?
Big mystery, eh?
At least you are loyal to your list clique. /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ Oh, and
"Scott": does Organfreak call himself "Scott" with this group? Maybe he
does, seems to me he posts "Organfreak" - sounds like a very friendly name
to call him . hmmm?
Now here is a real objective guy!
Sir, *you* are "transparent" - -very. <your word>
Tony
Tony
"Organfreak" <plo...@plonkyou.com> wrote
> [vicious bullshit snipped]
I knew you couldn't resist this thread. Vicious bullshit? Just truthful
statements. But you know what is vicious?
Like what you posted about my mother
Scott Hawthorn organ...@bainbridge.net wrote:
>Oh, you mean that nasty lady who used to hit you over >the head with the
waffle iron while she made you lick >her hindquarters? mother
*That* is vicious. *You* are vicious, in my opinion. What I write are
truthful statements. You try to 'blind people with bullshit'.
But you write kindly about *your* parents, don't you? . . . .
Have I ever flamed your parents?
Have I ever commented in a nasty way about your mother or ill father that
supports you?
No. Only a vicious person would, like you.
And about what you write about my father keeping me, another lie. My father
is deceased, I don't have the luxury like you to have a safety net and live
in my parents house like you, in your 50s. That is why *I* have to work and
can't spend my time cultivating an Internet social life with list twits all
day like you.
But I guess with your extreme Liberalism making money may be considered
'evil'. *It is people like you who have just about ruined this country* with
your extreme Leftist persuasions witnessed by your common, off topic remarks
that you post on Hammond forums.
In my town, there are very hard working people who can't afford a doctor
(including one or two full time musicians 'on the books', I know, that are
not rich and work their ass off) and never go. They get sick and deal with
it themselves then go back to work.
while, commonly, completely unproductive people 'on the dole', some in the
Section H apartments smoking crack and pot all day, go to the emergency room
*on a whim* or to get a 'shot of painkiller' (as I know of one person's
problem daughter that does this, in my community) , sometimes bi- weekly at
400plus bucks a pop, not to mention her twice a month hospital stays that
costs thousands with nothing apparently wrong, and have 32 physicians at
their service working feverishly on the tax payer's expense.
You take many a hard working person:, productive person, it can be common
that he can't even afford to go to the doctor let alone a hospital. (these
comments apply to US). I see it all the time.
Your extreme Liberal world. Organfreak's world.
See Organfreak, I know, this all started when you got your 'Cease and
Desist' from Native Instruments for alleged software piracy. You posted,
"this is war" <paraphrased> after that, you started posting in here with
your "war",
but, helloooooooooooo! . . . . . . . .you are wrong. *I* did not turn you
in for the alleged piracy. Try some of the other people who find you
loathsome or as some call you a 'dweeb', like Hammond Internet people over a
room temperature IQ.
Tony
X13
> statements. But you know what is vicious?
> Like what you posted about my mother
You are an easy target.
> Scott Hawthorn organ...@bainbridge.net wrote:
>
> Have I ever commented in a nasty way about your mother or ill father that
> supports you?
I am truly surprised you haven't.
> That is why *I* have to work
Trash man?
> But I guess with your extreme Liberalism making money may be considered
> 'evil'. *It is people like you who have just about ruined this country*
with
> your extreme Leftist persuasions witnessed by your common, off topic
remarks
> that you post on Hammond forums.
WTF are you talking about?
> In my town, there are very hard working people who can't afford a doctor
> (including one or two full time musicians 'on the books', I know, that
are
> not rich and work their ass off) and never go. They get sick and deal
with
> it themselves then go back to work.
No really. WTF are you really talking about?
> while, commonly, completely unproductive people 'on the dole', some in
the
> Section H apartments smoking crack and pot all day, go to the emergency
room
> *on a whim* or to get a 'shot of painkiller' (as I know of one person's
> problem daughter that does this, in my community) , sometimes bi- weekly
at
> 400plus bucks a pop, not to mention her twice a month hospital stays that
> costs thousands with nothing apparently wrong, and have 32 physicians at
> their service working feverishly on the tax payer's expense.
Ok I am not kidding now. WTF are you smoking? Is this for real?
>
> You take many a hard working person:, productive person, it can be common
> that he can't even afford to go to the doctor let alone a hospital. (these
> comments apply to US). I see it all the time.
>
Hello? Is anyone home? Tony? Are you ok?
> Tony
Tony? Who's tony?
Paul Zein
> wrote:
> I am not responding to all this sick shit. I don't have time in the day for it. It's just crazy shit.
> -Organfreak
Who cares