So IT is dancing, Ernie?
C. A. Perdue
I rest my case.... EHSS... dancing during the concerts. I thought dancing
is wrong. I guess not!
-Chris
Monk
"C. A. Perdue" <ca...@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
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Why do you dislike them so much?
>
>
revpaul
C. A. Perdue wrote:
>
> I rest my case.... EHSS... dancing during the concerts. I thought dancing
> is wrong. I guess not!
> -Chris
Where did you ever get the idea that dancing is wrong?
Must have been from some man's ideas . . . surely not from the
scriptures.
Psa. 149:3
Let them praise his name in the dance: let them sing praises unto him
with the timbrel and harp.
Psa. 150:4
Praise him with the timbrel and dance: praise him with stringed
instruments and organs.
ruthl...@rgv.rr.com
also add, "and David danced before the Lord". EH is not on stage
gyrating with a woman.......he is expressing his joy in the Lord by
moving with the music.
James
Believe as you may Chris, but it has been my teaching that there is a
right and wrong
to dancing. Secular dancing(there are two kinds Chris) can and should
be considered
wrong. Spiritual dancing is very scriptural,-here is one of many more
verses on scriptural
dancing- 2nd Samuel 14: And David danced before the LORD with all his
might; and David was girded with a linen ephod.
James
C. A. Perdue
The only problem I bring to the table that I have with them is using
secularism (dancing in this instance). We as Christians, I truly believe,
are to be seperate from the world, not using the world to win Christ. Their
ministry, I am sure, is TRULY blessed as any can see, I just don't see where
it matches up with scripture using the world to win Christ. That, to me, is
the same as using Metallic Christian Rock to win Christ, or using casino's
to witness to the lost. (Oh yes, we have a church here in Nevada that is
trying to use a slot machine per say to win souls and get them in church.)
Ernie is a extremely nice individual. I met him when the Cathedrals were on
the Farewell Tour. EHSS can effectively reach Christ, but I don't
understand why using dry-ice-smoke, or choreography to their songs. That is
pretty sad that that is what sticks out in one's mind is the dancing and not
the music (or words). The last thing I don't understand, are they Southern
Gospel or Contemporary Christian?
If someone can prove me wrong on using the world to win Christ, I will
publicly (on here) apologize. And... if someone can answer my question, on
what they are: SG or CCM, let me know, please?
God bless as you all keep...
Trusting Him,
Chris
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James
I`m not going to try to prove you wrong on using dry ice to create
smoke at a gospel concert. The last time I saw EHSS in concert was at a
Gaither Homecoming
and that didn`t happen there, but it was a Gaither concert-you must
have been to a EHSS
concert. I think it is shamful to try to bring SGM down down on the
level of rock music-
if you can call it music.
but I don't
James
revpaul
C. A. Perdue wrote:
> Everyone, please hear me out!
>
> The only problem I bring to the table that I have with them is using
> secularism (dancing in this instance). We as Christians, I truly believe,
> are to be seperate from the world, not using the world to win Christ.
>
I read an article just recently about bringing the world into the
church. I'll post it if I can find it. Anyway, what was interesting
was that back in the late 1940s and 1950s there was the same kind of
argument about bring microphones and speakers into the church. They
were seen as worldly. Today they are nearly universally accepted.
There are many, many churches today that won't allow SG music in the
church because the beat of the music is looked upon as worldly.
James
Those churches that won`t allow SGM in the church, probably will allow
contemporary music so the singer can be glorified. I liked what a
former
pastor I had said about contemporary music-He said he went to a
fellowship meeting
and someone there was singing contemporary and several preachers there
were
raising their hands praising God, and he said to us "I`d like to know
what they`re
feeling"???
James
David Bruce Murray
"James" <moore...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Those churches that won`t allow SGM in the church, probably will allow
> contemporary music so the singer can be glorified. I liked what a
> former
> pastor I had said about contemporary music-He said he went to a
> fellowship meeting
> and someone there was singing contemporary and several preachers there
> were
> raising their hands praising God, and he said to us "I`d like to know
> what they`re feeling"???
I have my own (mostly negative) opinions on emotionalism as well, but I
still think it's a mistake to lump all contemporary music into one big
basket and label it "worldly." Someone else mentioned how some people
originally condemned using microphones for gospel music. Well, there was a
point even earlier in history where the piano was considered to be a
"worldly" instrument, not fit for use in the church.
Today, even the most rigid fundamentalist would consider a viewpoint like
that to be silly, and rightly so.
We spend way too much time focusing on what other Christians are doing
"wrong." It's fine if some form of worship doesn't suit your personal taste,
and it's also fine to say so.
The problem arises when people think their personal tastes are also the same
as God's and try to demonize anyone else whose personal tastes are
different.
--
David Bruce Murray is still "Making hay while the sun shines"
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"He that cannot reason is a fool. He that will not is a bigot. He that dare
not is a slave."---Andrew Carnegie
Hank Gillette
"David Bruce Murray" <dbmu...@NOSPAMmusicscribe.com> wrote:
> Today, even the most rigid fundamentalist would consider a viewpoint like
> that to be silly, and rightly so.
>
Aren't there some denominations that eschew instrumental music of any
kind in their services?
--
Hank Gillette
We don't care what gender you are or what gender you like to hold hands with.
So long as you like to hold hands, you are welcome in the Democratic Party.
-- Joe Andrew (paraphrased)
James
I`m not a member of this denomination, but the Church of Christ don`t
believe in
musical instruments in their Church, but they will go to other
denominations
and use musical instruments, I know that for a fact.
James
revpaul
David Bruce Murray wrote:
>
> The problem arises when people think their personal tastes are also the same
> as God's and try to demonize anyone else whose personal tastes are
> different.
>
Yeah, like you do it your way, and I'll do it God's way!
David Bruce Murray
"Hank Gillette" <hankgi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> In article <szhbh.4434$sf5....@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net>,
> "David Bruce Murray" <dbmu...@NOSPAMmusicscribe.com> wrote:
>
>> Today, even the most rigid fundamentalist would consider a viewpoint like
>> that to be silly, and rightly so.
>>
>
> Aren't there some denominations that eschew instrumental music of any
> kind in their services?
Are they still around? I thought they'd pretty much dried up.
Pastor Dan
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I still see some whose Yellow Pages listings say, "Vocal music," usually in
bold print. I suppose that's to differentiate them from the churches that
don't believe in ANY music in their services. They're still out there, too.
Willy
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Actually the Church of Christ he's referring to is very much alive and well
with the majority of their churches being in the Bible Belt states. They
sing, but only without instruments (although there IS a sect of the same
denomination that DOES allow a piano or organ)... their doctrine teaches
that Baptism is the key essential element in salvation and the real kicker
is, they teach that they are THE one and only original Church of Christ, and
that everyone else is, at a minimum, on the wrong path, while many of their
pastor's teach they are exclusive and everyone else is bound for eternal
damnation.
What's odd is that they have NO problem with secular music having full
instrumentation, but never as part of worship.
Willy
Willy
"David Bruce Murray" <dbmu...@NOSPAMmusicscribe.com> wrote in message
You're so right David. I was a member of a large Baptist Church for many
years - and we never had guest singer's or quartet's etc... because it was
taught that "to sing the gospel message as a form of entertainment is
wrong"...
Eventually they allowed a few of the more conservative Baptist singers, I
remember Squire Parson's visiting a few times, but nothing other than
standing still and singing was allowed.
As time passes, just as all things change, I'm sure the stance has or will
change to one that is accepting to whatever the "worst case was" from 20
years ago.
It seems in conservative circles as long as you're running about 20 years
behind whatever is the current trend, it's "okay".
Willy
David Bruce Murray
"Willy" <wil...@windstream.net> wrote in message
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> It seems in conservative circles as long as you're running about 20 years
> behind whatever is the current trend, it's "okay".
I would have to agree with that, in terms of musical styles. There are some
current trends in terms of doctrine that I hope never get adopted by
conservatives. Scripture is a guide and should be followed...but scripture
never said anything about the whims of musical style. It's amazing how much
time people spend fighting over what style of music is "holy," when the very
style THEY like was the contemporary style people were fighting about 30-40
years in the past.
Damaeus
on Thu, 30 Nov 2006 10:01:26 -0500:
> Actually the Church of Christ he's referring to is very much alive and well
> with the majority of their churches being in the Bible Belt states. They
> sing, but only without instruments (although there IS a sect of the same
> denomination that DOES allow a piano or organ)...
Jeez... I wonder if they also eschew work on Sundays, then stop off at
Dairy Queen after church to make all those employees fix their hamburgers
and milkshakes for them.
My parents not only attended a Church of Christ church in the Bible Belt,
but my mom played the piano, my dad played a mandolin, another guy played
an electronic keyboard, while one woman played the tambourine.
Damaeus
Damaeus
29 Nov 2006 03:08:28 -0800:
> I read an article just recently about bringing the world into the
> church. I'll post it if I can find it. Anyway, what was interesting
> was that back in the late 1940s and 1950s there was the same kind of
> argument about bring microphones and speakers into the church. They
> were seen as worldly. Today they are nearly universally accepted.
> There are many, many churches today that won't allow SG music in the
> church because the beat of the music is looked upon as worldly.
To be in the world, but not of it is a Sufi saying. It basically means
that we can participate in the world, but we shouldn't fall in love with
it. The world is our friend if it reminds us of God, but it is our enemy
if it makes us forget god.
Damaeus
Damaeus
posted on Tue, 28 Nov 2006 22:49:28 GMT:
> If someone can prove me wrong on using the world to win Christ, I will
> publicly (on here) apologize. And... if someone can answer my question, on
> what they are: SG or CCM, let me know, please?
Who said that being introduced to Christ can't be fun? What are they
supposed to do? Stand there like Vulcans on Star Trek while they sing a
jumpy tune? Watch someone sing who stands still and is basically
expressionless the whole time. Then watch someone sing who moves around a
lot, is very expressive with their face, etc... All of the big and subtle
movements do help singers provide a performance that is dynamic,
interesting and full of both subleties that raise the hair on your neck,
and boldness that gives the performance that "wow" factor. It's part of
singing from the soul -- the body feels the music and wants to respond to
it. In the studio, singers have to restrain themselves. Studio recordings
maybe more refined technically, but I prefer live performances because of
the sponteneity and spirit of the moment that results from being free to
move around the stage, move their bodies and really get into the music and
the message of it.
I think even the purest gospel bands are going to move a little when
performing, even if it's no more than just bending their knees in time to
the music, tapping their foot, or tapping the side of their leg with their
fingertips. If you want to generalize, it's all dancing. It just boils
down to a factor of how much and how big the dancing is.
Jr.
C.A.?
Ernie never said he injured himself dancing on the stage he said after the
surgery he wouldn't be able to dance.
And I am very sorry for the narrow legalistic world that you live in that
dancing is wrong.
My wife and I just returned from another 10 day cruise in the Caribbean and
enjoyed dancing to the orchestra on board.
Or is going on a cruise wrong also.
And, if dancing to the Lord is wrong please explain all of the dancing to
the Lord that went on in the OT???
Or was that legalistically wrong also?
Or could it be C.A. that YOU are just wrong?
MCI1...@gmail.com
David Bruce Murray wrote:
> I have my own (mostly negative) opinions on emotionalism as well, but I
> still think it's a mistake to lump all contemporary music into one big
> basket and label it "worldly." Someone else mentioned how some people
> originally condemned using microphones for gospel music. Well, there was a
> point even earlier in history where the piano was considered to be a
> "worldly" instrument, not fit for use in the church.
>
> Today, even the most rigid fundamentalist would consider a viewpoint like
> that to be silly, and rightly so.
>
> We spend way too much time focusing on what other Christians are doing
> "wrong." It's fine if some form of worship doesn't suit your personal taste,
> and it's also fine to say so.
>
> The problem arises when people think their personal tastes are also the same
> as God's and try to demonize anyone else whose personal tastes are
> different.
Hallelujah David. It seems that some here are turning Personal
Preference into Doctrine.
Here is another verse that should help some of our taste in SGM. Psalms
150:5&6 "Praise him upon the loud cymbals: praise him upon the high
sounding cymbals. Let every thing that hath breath praise the LORD.
Praise ye the LORD".
Willy
"David Bruce Murray" <dbmu...@NOSPAMmusicscribe.com> wrote in message
We agree completely.
Willy
Willy
"Damaeus" <no-...@hotmail.invalid.net> wrote in message
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It could be that there's a similarity in name only, and that the church your
folks experienced was not the same as the small denomination that wears the
same label. As an example, I'm a member of the United Church of Christ -
which is completely different than the Church of Christ we're discussing
above.
I suppose the primary doctrinal point of the denomination is this:
Salvation is obtainable exclusively through Baptism, the sole exception
being the thief on the cross. Generally they hold a posture that teaches
they are the "one and only true church of Christ".
Willy
Damaeus
<ruthl...@rgv.rr.com> posted on 24 Nov 2006 09:24:45 -0800:
> also add, "and David danced before the Lord". EH is not on stage
> gyrating with a woman
No, he's gyrating with three other men.
Sorry. I love Ernie Haase & Signature Sound, but I couldn't help myself.
Damaeus
C. A. Perdue
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James
Now Damaeus, maybe you`ll talk about the good Ernie Haase and Signature
Sound is doing. There is
good and bad in everyone.
James
Damaeus
on 9 Dec 2006 08:48:02 -0800:
> Now Damaeus, maybe you`ll talk about the good Ernie is doing. There is
> good and bad in everyone.
No, I said I like Ernie. :)
Damaeus
James
Ok, forgive me Damaeus.
James
CJB
CJB
C. A. Perdue
it had an "E" in the front of it. - Chris
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