Stop the negative Attacks on JD Sumner - One of the greats of SGM
Y-aderp
person.
Yaderp
CJB
This particular comment is aimed at a comment I made to this newsgroup under
the heading of "Who's the Best Bass (quartet style);" you can read it
there.
While I will admit I was stretching a wee bit, my premise stays the same.
Additionally, I was not "trashing" anybody. Name one thing that was said
that was not true. Truth is truth. I will admit, there are some things
about J.D. Sumner I liked. I loved reading his column in the Singing News,
own half a dozen recordings of him, and heard him various times over the
last dozen years. However, the post was my opinion. I do think it was sad
to see him do the things he did. And as to the matter of delivering the
gospel to Elvis fans, I doubt the methodology. It is equivalent to me going
to a bar/dance hall, dancing cheek-to-cheek with a woman not my wife, and
whispering "ye must be born again" in her ear while gyrating sensuously with
her. Do you think the message is going to get across? Not on your life.
As Bob Jones Sr. used to say, " It's never right to do wrong to get an
opportunity to do right." And after all, I thought the original post asked
for opinions. I just got slammed for expressing mine.
Yours truly,
CJB
Y-aderp <Y-a...@nospam.net> wrote in message
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asm
your wife is so absurd it does not deserve rational comment.
However one statement you make does in regards to the music reaching Elvis
fans:
"Do you think the message is going to get across? Not on your life."
Man your wrong. Here is the story. My best friend since Childhood Fred is
a huge Stamps fan. A fellow he works with is a big Elvis fan - Eric. Fred
is a christian, Eric was not. The day of JD's death, Eric came to work and
told Fred about JD's passing. During the weeks that followed Eric (who
collects everything Elvis) shared items that included JD and the Stamps with
Fred. Fred in turn loaned Eirc his Gaither Video of JD and the Stamps. The
end result? Eric came to know Christ as his personal Saviour.
While I agree with Dr Bob's statement I don't see that it applys and I
disagree with the thought that Christians should divorce themselves from the
unsaved. Such seperation will not allow men like Eric to find the answer to
all of life's questions. Eric, his wife, and his children now attend Church
with Fred and his family. Why? Because Fred was able to become Eric's
friend through a common link - the friendship of Elvis and JD. If this one
was able to find the message - how many others were able to during the days
of touring that we don't know about?
A man once told DL Moody that he didn't like his form of evangelism. "There
are times I agree with you" Moody said, "how do you evangelize?" The man
stammered and then answered that he did not. "Well," Moody replied, "I
guess I like my method better than yours!" My point? Unless we are winning
more people to Christ that those we are criticizing - maybe we should close
our mouths and pray.
Humbly,
~Alan
CJB
Truly,
CJB
asm <a...@voyager.net> wrote in message news:7ltpi4$c...@newsops.execpc.com...
Y-aderp
"CJB" <BELLE...@inetone.net> wrote:
>Right, I got it. So maybe the Stamps should have played Woodstock.
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>Truly,
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>CJB
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>asm <a...@voyager.net> wrote in message news:7ltpi4$c...@newsops.execpc.com...
>> Your likening a gospel group singing in a secular setting with cheating on
>> your wife is so absurd it does not deserve rational comment.
>>
master...@webtv.net
For some reason, a number of people today think Gospel music is only to
be heard by Christians in a church. Determining whether it's ministry
or purely good Christian entertainment is a totally different subject.
The point here is, despite whatever lifestyle the Stamps chose in that
era of their lives, they were able to share the Gospel with more people
than any other group on the circuit. Since their platform was before a
"secular" crowd, they should be commended all the more. It's nice for
Christians to come together and worship through Gospel music, but I know
in my own ministry, my goal is to lead someone to the Lord. If I have
to open for a Country or Pop performer to do so, I would willingly take
the opportunity, as long as I'm able to represent my Lord in an
appropriate manner. Later this year our group will be singing for a
Catholic church. My first reaction was surprise, but then I realized
they need to hear the Gospel as much, if not more than Christians. This
applies to the secular world as well. If we start limiting where we
share the Gospel, then we wouildn't ever see anyone turn their heart and
life over to the Lord. I have always respected J.D. Sumner and the
Stamps, even though I haven't always agreed with some of their methods,
and I appreciate the doors they opened for Southern Gosel music during
their time with Elvis. Even more I appreciate the lives they touched.
God Bless
Josh Garner
David B. Murray (SG Fan)
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>Later this year our group will be singing for a
>Catholic church. My first reaction was surprise, but then I realized
>they need to hear the Gospel as much, if not more than Christians.
Last I heard, the Catholics were already under the Christian category.
> This
> applies to the secular world as well. If we start limiting where we
> share the Gospel, then we wouildn't ever see anyone turn their heart and
> life over to the Lord.
Agreed. Our group's motto is that we will sing the gospel wherever we're
asked as long as we have the means (our own) by which to get there.
--
David B. Murray (SG Fan) / dbmu...@deletethis.rfci.net
http://www.rfci.net/dbmurray
http://www.musicscribe.com
Making hay while the sun shines
KJCSmith1
>gospel to Elvis fans, I doubt the methodology.
Then you doubt in vain.........because my cousin was saved because of J.D.
singing with Elvis at the concert he went to. J.D. and the guy rreached many
people that they wouldn't have reached at all.
KJCSmith1
>disagree with the thought that Christians should divorce themselves from the
>unsaved.
Gee what would we have done if Jesus had divorced himself from us??? WE would
not be saved!!!!! Jesus hung around sinners yet didn't sin........If we don't
associate with the unsaved....then how in the heck are they going to get
saved.....unless a saved person tells them about Jesus they wont get
saved.....we can't tell them unless we talk to them.
cshelby
If you would look hard, Ben and Brock Speer sang on a few of Elvis'
records too! Does that make them bad people??? I don't think so! It's one
thing of what someone did many years ago. But it's a completely different
thing if they do the same things now, and they are in a ministry. Tha's
just something to think about.
Chris Shelby
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CJB
sermon on Biblical separation. You know, "Come out from among them..."
Biblical separation is FROM THE WORLD, AND TO GOD. If some of you would
study your Bible, you would find verses like "...ye cannot serve God and
mammon..." Every Christian has, and will, sin. No one is perfect.
However, we are to be "peculiar people." If it quacks like a duck, chances
are, it's a duck! If it doesn't, chances are it's not!
I am not attempting to get into the hearts of any of these men. I
can't. And, by the way, neither can you! It is very easy to see the
actions they have taken, past and present, however. No matter how many
times you throw in God's name while participating in it, sin is still sin!
Promoting sin, actively or passively, is still WRONG. Sometimes, we fail to
see the faults of our heroes, simply because we don't want to.
I am not, as some have suggested, trying to be an isolationist. I am
simply saying that it is contradictory to be participants in ungodly
activities while supposedly promoting God. We should be out bring souls to
Christ. But, the Great Commission does not also remove the reality of sin.
There are wrong ways to promote the Truth. See Acts where the demon
possessed woman followed Paul and testified of the truth of his words. Some
would have inducted her into the SGM Hall of Fame; Paul rebuked her.
Some have also suggested that it is wrong to judge. That is a ludicrous
statement that some base on a misinterpreted text. If there were to be no
"judging," folks would all still be clamoring for Jim and Tammy Bakker.
Jimmy Swaggert's latest album would be number one. See, everyone judges!
It's right to judge! God said, "by their fruit ye shall know them," and
"try (judge) the spirits..." That's God's word, not mine. The Bible
indicates that we'll even judge angels one day!
I am not suggesting "throwing the baby out with the bathwater." I still
have JD's albums, and Speers albums, and Oak Ridge albums, etc. I just
think the idea of everyone elevating people to hero status should be thought
through very carefully. Some up and coming group might get the idea that
they should open for "Marilyn Manson" or "Limp Bizkit." That sure did the
trick for old JD! True heroes of the faith should possess more than a great
voice and a vibrant personality. True heroes should be people who made
great sacrifices for God, not people who made great compromises for _____
(insert your favorite -- money, fame, power, prestige, etc.,etc.)
In closing, I believe that many of the ones who have posted on this
subject over the last few weeks have been at least as judgmental about me as
I have been about anyone else. I'm not offended in the least. That's your
right, and that's what makes this a great newsgroup. The FREE exchange of
ideas, not the ostracizing of someone who dares to have a different opinion.
CJB
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cshelby
Your right, but tell me if I'm wrong, didn't Jesus go to the sinners to
win them??? My point was that just because they did that in the late 50's
and 60's doesn't mean that they were doing that today! I'm sorry do you not
believe in asking god for forgiveness?? One of my favor verses from the
Bible (please forgive me, I can't remember the Book, or anything) "Let the
one with no sin throw the FIRST stone!"
I'm not wanting to get in to an argument, but you are being completely
one sided. Another think, If you read your bible you would know it's not
ours to judge, let god judge weather he feels that they sinned bad enough to
not get in to Glory.
As far as not wanting to promote Ungodly acts, some people think that
computers are ungodly. Some people think that the Internet is ungodly. I
don't think that anywhere in the bible it says that "IF YOU SING BEHIND
ELVIS, YOU WILL DIE A SINNER". If it does I've never seen it. Just because
one section of the Christian population thinks it a sin doesn't mean it's a
sin.
I'm not trying to start a fight. But please just because you think it a
sin, doesn't mean it's a sin. As far as I know, there are only 7 deadly
sins, all of the rest can be forgiven.
In His Service,
Chris Shelby
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cshelby
deadly sins" isn't saying that there are no other sins then that. I was
simply trying to get a point across, that all Christian organizations (in
other words denominations) feel that some other things are sins (i.e.
Computers). I was not trying to make light of the subject of sin. I have
already received one e-mail about this statment, I hope that got my point
across to this person. I'm sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings.
In His Service,
Chris Shelby
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Jeff Deal
before you question others.
http://community.webtv.net/lorieandjeff/HovieListerandthe
cshelby
I was using that as a "Forinstance". I didn't mean that literally.
That as long as you ask God to forgive you will be forgiven. But I was
just saying that those were the only sins that were spelled out in the
bible. Yes I know that others were mentioned. But by you saying what you
did you took me out of context. It might have been my fault, I might not
have made that clear enough. But anyway, that's completely off the subject.
In His Service,
Chris Shelby
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upbringing, but what are those sins that can't be forgiven and where is
the scripture to back it up?
cshelby
it up! geez, Can we DROP the hole thing now! I was just useing a figure of
speech! I never ment literally that there were sins that couldn't be
forgiven. But there are some Christians that feel that way, I'm not one of
them, so PLEASE can we just dorp the hole thing!
Chris
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