Talley extortionist gets 20 months in jail.
Chuck
REvans2311
committed a crime. Good for the judge. For what he did to Talley, Farmer
should have gotten more time in jail. Wonder who his roommate will be in the
pen?
Steve
ruined by one man who decided to take matters into his own hands.
dack jarvis
Chuck wrote:
> http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/local_news/article/0,1406,KNS_347_3087708,00.html
Thank you for sharing this. This is a piece of good news, for sure!
Anyone committing a hate crime deserves such a punishment.
Judge Jarvis (no relation) asked:
"You think he ought to lose everything he's got?"
Jarvis asked Farmer. "As a Christian, you think you've
got a right to punish him?"
Farmer responded, "If his life has changed, he deserves
a second chance."
Typical self-righteous arrogance! It's not up to Farmer (or any other
person) to expect Talley to change his life or to punish him if he
doesn't change.
Moral of the story: Even if you have a personal opinion about someone
else's private life, acting on that opinion to hurt others because of
that opinion is a crime. Bravo for the judge!
Dack Jarvis
David Bruce Murray
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> "Chuck" <chuckp...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> When did they start requiring you to register before they'd let you read
> their little newspaper in Knoxville?
10-4 David, I just clicked it off. They won't get me to register.
Clarence Grigsby Jr.
> Chuck wrote:
> > http://www.knoxnews.com/kns/local_news/article/0,1406,KNS_347_3087708,00.html
>
> Thank you for sharing this. This is a piece of good news, for sure!
> Anyone committing a hate crime deserves such a punishment.
>
Anyone committing a CRIME deserves a punishment. So called "hate
crimes" laws are punishing criminals for what they THINK and FEEL.
Regardless of how despicable the thoughts of, for instance, a Klansman
are, this is America...we have the RIGHT TO BE WRONG. Punishing
someone for their way of thinking is straight out of Orwell's 1984.
"But, Clarence", a left wing whacko friend of mine argued, "if a
Muslim kills you because you are a Christian, then you're protected by
this law." First, we already have laws against murder. Second, read my
friend's arguement again...If I get murdered, the law protects me?????
> Judge Jarvis (no relation) asked:
>
> "You think he ought to lose everything he's got?"
> Jarvis asked Farmer. "As a Christian, you think you've
> got a right to punish him?"
>
> Farmer responded, "If his life has changed, he deserves
> a second chance."
>
> Typical self-righteous arrogance! It's not up to Farmer (or any other
> person) to expect Talley to change his life or to punish him if he
> doesn't change.
>
Please tell me that you're not believing this guy's story about trying
to help Kirk by blackmailing him.
> Moral of the story: Even if you have a personal opinion about someone
> else's private life, acting on that opinion to hurt others because of
> that opinion is a crime. Bravo for the judge!
>
I think the only personal opinion that Mr.Farmer had about Kirk was,
"He's got money and I want it." This is a simple case of a crook
getting caught and tossed into jail. Good enough for him!
Paul Slopak, Jr.
With our justice system, if this was a capital offense he probably would
have gotten 2 years.
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> "Clarence Grigsby Jr." <Clarence...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> > I think the only personal opinion that Mr.Farmer had about Kirk was,
> > "He's got money and I want it." This is a simple case of a crook
> > getting caught and tossed into jail. Good enough for him!
>
> Then what about the crook that's been ripping Christians off for 20 years,
> pretending to be a "minister" while secretly living a perversion? What
about
> that crook?
>
> BTW, I agree with you on the perp. He got nailed and deserved it. I don't
> know if 20 months is appropriate or not but he's obviously paying a real
> price for bringing a great hypocrisy to light.
>
>
>
David Bruce Murray
> pretending to be a "minister" while secretly living a perversion? What
about
> that crook?
I know Talley was a crook to your way of thinking (and to mine as well), but
do you think he could be proven to be a crook in any legal sense?
Unfortunately, selling an image based on assumptions has been going on for
years and isn't illegal unless they flat out lie. It would be very difficult
for a previous fan to prove they were deceived in any sort of legal sense by
Kirk Talley, especially if they took the approach that he said he was a
minister but really wasn't in a condition to minister.
Talley's team could argue that all people have flaws in the eyes of God and
that ministry always happens in spite of the flaws of the minister. Unless
they could call God in on the witness stand, they really wouldn't have a
case, IMO.
> BTW, I agree with you on the perp. He got nailed and deserved it. I don't
> know if 20 months is appropriate or not but he's obviously paying a real
> price for bringing a great hypocrisy to light.
I think it's about right. Someone trying to take your money by revealing
your private life to the world is wrong, even if I agree that Talley's
private life was a deception. I agree with Grigsby. Whether the thing that
Farmer was trying to bring to light was true or not isn't the point. Farmer
committed a crime, and should be punished for it. He shouldn't be punished
"extra," because of the nature of the crime, but he shouldn't be excused
either.
If it turns out like the Jim Bakker sentence, his punishment will be reduced
substantially before it's all said and done.
Where Farmer messed up big time was when he demanded money in exchange for
silence, because that revealed his true motives were not sanctimonious. His
true motives were based on greed.
Hank Gillette
"David Bruce Murray" <dbmu...@NOSPAM.mailblocks.com> wrote:
> Where Farmer messed up big time was when he demanded money in exchange for
> silence, because that revealed his true motives were not sanctimonious. His
> true motives were based on greed.
I think he was both sanctimonious and greedy. Surely you don't think
being sanctimonious is a good thing.
Sanctimonious: feigning piety or righteousness
--
Hank Gillette
Just Allan
<dbmu...@NOSPAM.mailblocks.com> wrote:
>Where Farmer messed up big time was when he demanded money in exchange for
>silence, because that revealed his true motives were not sanctimonious. His
>true motives were based on greed.
Well now, that's the bit I don't get - he got up and left without the
money, didn't he? Maybe he suspected something and that's why he left
it there, or, maybe it was the fourth/fifth/sixth time he'd tried to
get an audience and it was the only thing he could think of. Was he
correct? No, of course not - but he wasn't all that greedy either, if
he left several thousand dollars sitting on the table without touching
it.
Maybe all this was explaned in that article though, but I'm not
signing up just to find out. : )
Allan.
Dack Jarvis
> Anyone committing a CRIME deserves a punishment. So called "hate
> crimes" laws are punishing criminals for what they THINK and FEEL.
No, indeed! You can't tell me you don't know the difference between
"thoughts and feelings" and "acting on those thoughts and feelings".
Lots of people have a misguided and faulty negative opinion about gay
folks (or black folks or folks of another religion). In fact, if I'm
not mistaken there are some people in this very newsgroup who don't
wish to understand the truth about gay and lesbian people, and prefer
to view the modern world under the filter of a very limited grasp of
ancient religious superstitions. It's not a crime to be that way,
it's just ignorance hiding behind religion; BUT nobody can legislate
your thoughts or feelings, nobody can throw you in jail for it. At
least not in this country!
Acting on such ignorance is the crime -- it's what they DO *because of
those opinions* (actual measurable, tangible behaviors) that creates a
hate crime -- targeting individuals who are seen as different as a
group (gays, blacks, women, asians, handicapped, etc.) and targeting
BECAUSE they are seen as part of that group. If someone comes up and
mugs me on the street, randomly, that's a crime. If someone sees me
on the street and thinks I'm gay and beats the crap out of me because
he thinks I'm gay, that's a hate crime, the same as if I were to get
beaten up just because someone thinks I'm Hispanic or a priest or
Eastern Indian. Or if I get fired for that perception, or get refused
service at the restaurant, or denied access to public facilities.
Please don't ever think that "thoughts and feelings" are a crime.
Think what you want, feel what you want. Just be careful how it is
expressed, which is the same burden of responsibility put on me and
everyone else in the world.
TommyDale
> news:9a88805b.04080...@posting.google.com...
> >
> > "He's got money and I want it." This is a simple case of a crook
> > getting caught and tossed into jail. Good enough for him!
>
> pretending to be a "minister" while secretly living a perversion? What about
> that crook?
>
> know if 20 months is appropriate or not but he's obviously paying a real
> price for bringing a great hypocrisy to light.
Agreed on both points. I wonder if the perp will have access to nude
homosexuals in prison.
REvans2311
>notice that the $$$ figure thrown out for KT to have reportedly lost to be
>$400 THOUSAND? Didn't realize he was booking that high on dates.
You again just love to make Talley out to look bad. It's obvious from day one
you have had a problem with Talley. The US Attorneys office surely wouldn't
use those figures in the court without some documentation from Talleys records.
He had many dates already booked for 2004. I am sure they used previous years
contracts to get an estimate of what he would lose during the year. If he
sang 3-4 nights a week and had decent sales I can see where he would take in
that much or more. Radio is not playing his music now so he has lost radio
royalty. Christian book stores pulled his CD's off their shelves, so he is not
getting royalties. So if you look at the entire picture, I woud imagine he
has lost more than the 400,000. Instead of blasting him, why don't you do
some math before you make yourself look stupid. Lets say he was getting
$2000.00 a night for a concert. Lest say he worked 150 nights a year. Thats
$300,000. And you know his sales had to be more than $100,000.00 per year. I
would bet he worked more than 150 dates a year and I would bet his total would
be closer to$ 500,000-$600,000. But what difference does it make how much he
made? I am not jealous one bit. His music and songs has helped a lot of
people. I hope he comes back on the road and makes twice what he lost!
Paul Slopak, Jr.
portraying himself to be what he was not.
I look at this case as both sides sowing what they had reaped.
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dack jarvis
REvans2311 wrote:
> You again just love to make Talley out to look bad. It's obvious from day one
> you have had a problem with Talley. The US Attorneys office surely wouldn't
> use those figures in the court without some documentation from Talleys records.
> He had many dates already booked for 2004. I am sure they used previous years
> contracts to get an estimate of what he would lose during the year. If he
> sang 3-4 nights a week and had decent sales I can see where he would take in
Yes, I would imagine in a court of law, he'd have to prove what had been
lost in income -- not just from the cancelled dates from the time of the
event but also include future residual damages to his income-producing
opportunities.
Plus, I would suppose that the $420,000 figure wasn't *net* income, but
gross. Even after collecting sales and royalties and such, I suspect
that somewhere in there he has to turn it around to cover expenses for
carrying around all that merchandise, pay for the venues (if he's
renting auditoriums), etc., etc. Perhaps the $100,000 (and I'm just
guessing here, to give him the benefit of the doubt) was what *might* be
leftover after he paid all his expenses, assuming he'd kept all those
commitments and been running around the country to sell all that stuff.
Unfortunately, the newspaper doesn't print all the transcripts and
details, so we'll never know *for sure* how that figure was arrived at.
Hopefully, Kirk will be able to put this all behind him and get back
to singing where he should be.
Dack Jarvis
TommyDale
> I agree with Rev...Farmer should have gotten more of a sentence. A life was
> ruined by one man who decided to take matters into his own hands.
Let's all be honest here -- two lives here were directly ruined
because of sin,
and each chose to sin. They can both be forgiven, but each must pay a
price.
No one has mentioned all the other lives that have been affected
because one person was living a lie in front of thousands of fans of
Southern Gospel Music.
While considering how "light" the blackmailer's sentence was, how
about the fact that KT wasn't charged with publishing pornography and
solicited homosexual sex over the internet? On the street it is
illegal, but why do we allow it because it was on the internet?
dack jarvis
TommyDale wrote:
> No one has mentioned all the other lives that have been affected
> because one person was living a lie in front of thousands of fans of
> Southern Gospel Music.
'Scuze me???
How was ANY fan hurt by any aspect of Kirk Talley's private life?
In what way was he "living a lie"?
Back up your outrageous assertion with reasonable facts -- who was hurt,
and how and why and when?
Dack
David Bruce Murray
> No. I should've been more clear. I consider "true justice" and "justice
> under the U.S. legal system" to often be at odds with one another. This is
> one of those times.
Point taken. I sat on a jury for a case once for a murder trial. Second
degree, voluntary, or involuntary manslaughter were the options given to the
jury. The problem was . . . only one of the guilty parties was on trial. A
woman who testified in the case was in control of the whole situation,
because she had two boyfriends at the same time and put the two men at odds
with each other. All three were guilty of living in a state of sin and she
was just as guilty of murder as the man who pulled the trigger.
Then we had this idiot woman on the jury who wouldn't vote for second degree
murder, so we had to settle for voluntary manslaughter. Get this . . . the
murderer charged in on the "victim," who was holding the gun. The murderer
did not have a gun . . . he was just going by his girlfriend's house to see
her. When he other boyfriend came out with a gun, he attacked him, fought
the guy to the back bedroom of a trailer, got his hand on the trigger during
a struggle, and killed the man. It was in a fit of rage. This is clearly
second degree murder, as defined under NC law, but as I said, the "ho" was
just as guilty as either of the men for setting things up like that.
So yeah, the US legal system does not administer true justice on any type of
consistent basis.
> It strikes me as a miscarriage of justice to have one chap, that brought a
> 20+ year wrong into the light, to get prison while the original party gets
> "unconditional love and acceptance" for his mis-deeds.
I don't think that's quite the case, though. While it's true there are some
fans who will go overboard to "bring him back," there are many others who
will never go hear him sing now. Stuff like this brings out the extremes
among fans. If Farmer's goal was to get revenge on Talley for sending him a
nude picture, he certainly achieved his goal. Yes, Talley will work again,
but not without addressing the concerns about the lie he lived for so many
years.
> Did anybody else
> notice that the $$$ figure thrown out for KT to have reportedly lost to be
> $400 THOUSAND? Didn't realize he was booking that high on dates. If he
plays
> this right, he might even increase his take in the future.
That figure is probably low, actually, because it would have likely been
based on how much this incident hurt his gross intake of funds for the rest
of his life . . . that is, if the Talley lawyer did his job in presenting
the case. Another jury case I was on featured a man suing another man over a
relatively minor car wreck. This guy claimed the wreck was fully responsible
for his inability to ever work a job again and he wanted 1 million to cover
the money he would have made for the rest of his life. The jury didn't see
it that way. We awarded $125,000 to cover his medical bills and some of his
loss of work.
TommyDale
Message of the Gospel was hurt. You wouldn't get it if it hit you
between the eyes, because you
accept the sin of homosexuality, and see nothing wrong with it.
REvans2311
>Message of the Gospel was hurt.
I understand that fans were hurt and disapointed. I see how the industry might
have been hurt with the loss of a great singer and the revenue his product
added to the overall sales of the industry, but I don't see how the message of
the gospel was hurt. It's the same as it has always been. John 3:16 is the
message of the gospel. How does Talleys problems hurt that?
The good thing about the gospel of Christ is, though we all have flaws,
failures, the arms of Christ is open to forgive and accept when we come to him
in repentance. Christ forgives, only man holds the grudge and can't forgive.
DJman
weekend...he uh, must be recovered, restored, whatever it takes to hit
the road again. Several months, hmmm, about as long as Jimmy Swaggert
took to recover.
REvans2311
distance, I will go! I believe in the message of his songs and I like to hear
him sing well enough to take a day from work and go.
Can you tell me where his concerts are? I signed up for his email newsletter
but I haven't recieved anything concerning upcoming concerts.
Chuck
> When did they start requiring you to register before they'd let you read
> their little newspaper in Knoxville?
Must be something new.. When I first linked to the story.. no
registration was necessary. I registered anyway.. No big deal. Just
a few more things in my junk mail folder to "MASS" delete.
Chuck
listen to great Southern Gospel Music now on www.sglive365.com RADIO.
David Bruce Murray
> "David Bruce Murray" <dbmu...@NOSPAM.mailblocks.com> wrote in message
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>
> > When did they start requiring you to register before they'd let you read
> > their little newspaper in Knoxville?
>
> Must be something new.. When I first linked to the story.. no
> registration was necessary. I registered anyway.. No big deal. Just
> a few more things in my junk mail folder to "MASS" delete.
I expect you have to register to read their archives, but "today's news" is
on the front page requiring no registration . . . still, it seems pretty
stupid to me. All these sites want you to login before you can access their
free content. I get that the really big sites want to sell your info to an
advertiser, but I can't imagine the Knoxville Times site creating much of a
list to sell.
dack jarvis
Again... HOW were any of the fans hurt? they may have been
disappointed, but that's their own fault.
The industry may have lost a few bucks, but again that's the fan's fault
for being unreasonably disappointed.
No fan was actually HURT, nor was the indsutry HURT by anything in Kirk
Talley's private life. If, as DBM mentioned, some fans choose never to
go hear him sing again, it's their own shortsightedness and failures,
not Kirk's fault.
So, tell me, O Wise One, how *exactly* to you support the notion that
anyone was actually HURT, other than Kirk? (and perhaps a little
fall-out to his brother's musical career and his family, by association)
Dack
DJman
look on his website
Steve
dack jarvis
in August, 1 in September, last time I looked. It's in Flash, so I
couldn't cut-and-paste the exact dates and locations.
Dack
Steve
Greg Taylor
Brothers and the Allens as part of a two-day event the promoter is
billing as "Michigan Homecoming".
I guess all of us will have differing opinions about how soon Kirk
should return, and we'll each make our own personal choice whether or
not to support him. I'm sure he's not doing the frequency of dates he
was doing before the 'fall', and it may take years for him to work back
up to that.
David Bruce Murray
news:VvJRc.64$b01...@news.itd.umich.edu...
> I guess all of us will have differing opinions about how soon Kirk
> should return, and we'll each make our own personal choice whether or
> not to support him.
That's true. If he's renouncing his past lifestyle of sin, I have no problem
with Talley returning to the concert stage.
Now, though, if he comes around the area, it will always be a big question
on whether or not to attend. For most fans, it will no longer be a matter of
going to hear the guy because you like his singing. It will become some big
statement of "showing support," which is just silly, IMO. And as long as
that's the main reason to hear or not to hear him, he'll have difficulty
developing new fans. The very people who think they're supporting him the
most will probably be doing the most damage to his career, because they keep
that info up front and dogging him at every turn.
We only need look as far as Michael English to see that it's unlikely he'll
ever tour as heavily or sing to as many people as he did previously. I
suspect that most SG fans view homosexuality as a more disgusting sin than
adultery and substance abuse. That's unfortunate, if true, but I think it's
a realistic statement. Plus, Talley was nowhere near as popular as English,
so he may have an even tougher road ahead if he plans to continue with
concert performance as a livelihood. On the other hand, being less popular
previously may be better in the long run for a situation like this.
I wonder, though . . . will there be any public support by other artists? Do
you think any leaders in the industry will call Talley to the NQC stage this
year, for example?
Man
Sir, I have a HUGE PROBLEM with ANYONE that uses the gospel of Christ for
their own dishonest gain. Faggots posing as evangelists definitely fall into
that category in my book.
> Radio is not playing his music now so he has lost radio royalty.
The fag (ok, possibly former) is now off the radio. boo hoo.
> I would bet his total would be closer to$ 500,000-$600,000. But what
difference does it make how much he
> made? I am not jealous one bit.
I'm glad you're "not jealous" (wink wink)
Man
> I don't see how the message of the gospel was hurt. It's the same as it
has always been. John 3:16 is the
> message of the gospel. How does Talleys problems hurt that?
The Gospel message was hurt most by KT with those that have been sitting on
the fence. It has most likely convinced a number of people that Christians
are just a bunch of hypocrites and that they should have no part in
Christianity. I know of one man that has pretty much sworn off SG because of
the likes of KT and his ilk.
> The good thing about the gospel of Christ is, though we all have flaws,
> failures, the arms of Christ is open to forgive and accept when we come
to him
> in repentance.
Amen to that. Christ forgives, but it's not wise to proclaim "He said he was
sorry, now let's put him back on the pedestal".
Man
"dack jarvis" <dackj...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> No fan was actually HURT, nor was the indsutry HURT by anything in Kirk
> Talley's private life.
I know someone that was hurt. I see him in my mirror every morning.
REvans2311
>the fence. It has most likely convinced a number of people that Christians
>are just a bunch of hypocrites and that they should have no part in
>Christianity. I know of one man that has pretty much sworn off SG because of
>the likes of KT and his ilk.
>
So are you suggesting that SOUTHERN GOSPEL and the message of THE GOSPEL are
the same?
The gospel message of Christ hasn't been hurt!
the man you "know of" that has "pretty much" sworn off of SG has possibly been
turned against SG but that has nothing to do with the power of the Gospel. He
may not like the music or the individual singer but if he let's that dislike
cloud his view of the gospel message, then that's his own fault.
>> The good thing about the gospel of Christ is, though we all have flaws,
>> failures, the arms of Christ is open to forgive and accept when we come
>to him
>> in repentance.
>
>Amen to that. Christ forgives, but it's not wise to proclaim "He said he was
>sorry, now let's put him back on the pedestal".
>
Sounds like you are suggesting that in your way of thinking, no one deserves a
second chance. I sure am glad you aren't God!
Why don't you just wait and see what Talley has to say at the concerts before
you start condemning him again? If he is honest and talks about all of this,
I don't see how he could keep from effecting some livesfor the good and helping
some people.
I dont think anyone is putting him up on a pedestal. Evidently someone thinks
he has something to say thats worthwhile or they wouldn't book him. From what
I heard about the Talley Trio reunion, when Kirk appeared onstage, it was like
Elvis had entered the building. A friend of mine was there and she reported
that when Kirk came onstage the audience jumped to their feet and applauded and
screamed and cheered for several minutes. She said it was louder than the music
that was playing. She said Talley talked and ministered under the annointing
and shared with the crowd very openly and honestly. She said there was a line
of hundreds of people to talk to him after the concert was over. Her opinion
of crowd response was certainly positive, as was a newsletter sent out by the
Talley Trio.
Is it too much to ask you to want something good to come out of Talleys
situation or are you the kind that continues to put him down until he is no
longer using his talent in a good way? I hope he don't listen to negative, mean
spirited people. I hope he listens to the voice of God and if and when God
says Go sing, then he will Go.
I think he has been honest and repented and he has been quiet for 8 months. He
has admitted his sins, even subjected himself to the accountability of a group
of pastors. Evidently there are some people that want to book him now. Why
are you so hellbent on constantly putting him down instead of trying to
encourage him? What's he done to you to make you hate him so bad? Is it
because he was once on the record label of Chris White-the man that you
obviously hate too? I sure sense a lot of HATE in your responses toward
Talley. Is that "christian"?
If your attitude toward Talley is "christian" then I for one will do just like
the man you "know of". I would want to have nothing to do with your kind of
Christianity. So according to the way you think, Your own attitude has hurt
the Gospel of Christ.
The Gospel of Christ that I know extends mercy and grace to those who make
mistakes and repent. From what I have read, Talley has repented and is doing
what he needs to do. Perhaps you should try to extend some mercy and grace to
him also.
REvans2311
>their own dishonest gain. Faggots posing as evangelists definitely fall into
>that category in my book.
posing? Surely you aren't saying everything Talley did was a lie? His
songs have and concerts have had tremendous results as far as hundreds of
people getting saved and blessed and helped. You can't say that his songs
weren't a ministry to people. Do you think God gave him those songs just for
his "dishonest gain"? It is evident that down through the years God has used
Talley in a lot of different ways. And guess what---I still think God will use
him again! No matter what YOU or any of the mean people on this list think,
Talleys songs have had great impact on people's lives. He wrote from his
heart, there are many lines in his songs that (now I realize) spoke of his own
hurt and struggle and shortcoming. A lot of hurting people related to those.
But you are suggesting that he only wrote those and performed those for his own
"dishonest gain". All you can see is the "gain" It's obvious you are a man
thats eat up with jealousy greed. You can't stand it that Chris White
continued to make money at Sonlite Records and Talley made money singing and
writing.
You should get together with the extortionist! You and he (the criminal) sure
tend to agree oh how to run other peoples lives.
REvans2311
>you think any leaders in the industry will call Talley to the NQC stage this
>year, for example?
From what I have read and heard, Talley has a lot of friends in the industry
that has stood by him and continued to love him. In one of his accounts via his
email newsletter, he even thanked a long list of singers and musicians who had
expressed some love and support. But, I am sure there are those that haven't
remained his friends also.
I doubt Talley will ever be at the NQC stage. The board members at the NQC
didn't like him before his personal life was brought out into the public,
because he voiced his opinion of their "no soloist" rule at their event. I
don't think he has even attended the last few years.
Man
Maryville, TN on the 14th
Lenoir City, TN on the 15th.
Knock yourself out there Evans. Spend ALL your money and help Kirk. FWIW, I
sure hope that you're correct and that the boy has made a sincere change and
that he'll be able to keep away from the lure of homosexuality. Just
remember that if your hero doesn't and falls back into the old lifestyle,
you and the rest of Kirk-worshipping buddies are partially responsible given
your haste to return your king to his throne. Homos don't have particularly
long life spans. I believe the male average is what, 42?
I suggest you spend as much time in prayer for the man as you do in his
signing line, waiting for your 30 seconds of gherm time.
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David Bruce Murray
> From what
> I heard about the Talley Trio reunion, when Kirk appeared onstage, it was
like
> Elvis had entered the building.
To me, that's a ridiculous way to greet him after this process he's just
been thru. Now I could see something like loud applause after he addresses
the audience and tells of his restoration process, but fans who scream like
idiots the moment he walks on stage would strike me as being borderline
insane.
Like I said before, a situation like this brings out the most extreme
reactions among fans. You have those on one side who adamantly demand that
he be restored to his previous position of popularity and those on the other
side who will never want to hear him again. Most rational thinking
Christians would celebrate his restoration without going overboard trying to
glorify him, but then, those are the "silent majority."
I agree with you that the Gospel message is still the same as it ever was,
but unsaved people ARE turned off from the Gospel by the hypocritical
Christians they see. That's no excuse for them, though. As a previous pastor
of mine said, you have to be smaller than a hypocrite if you're going to
hide from God in their shadow. The Gospel isn't about the failures of men.
It's about how God loves us in spite of those failures.
REvans2311
>It's about how God loves us in spite of those failures.
David
You are exactly right. I am praying every day that God will use Kirk Talley
again in spite of his failures. I believe its possible. Many a man has made
mistakes only to come back and great inspiration to others. There are those on
this group that seem to want Talley to disappear from the face of the earth.
In my opinion, that's as wrong as any sin Talley ever committed. Sin is sin,
no big ones, no little ones, no white, no black. It's all sin to God.
I am one that will pray for Talley and think good of him, wish him well,
travel to hear him. I am thinking about driving down to Tennessee this weekend
to hear him.
I agree with most of your postings and appreciate the fact that you try to look
at both sides of whatever is being discussed.
REvans2311
>
How could you have been hurt? You told this group that you knew about Talleys
problem 18 years ago. How could you possibly been hurt all over again?
Sounds to me like you are only proving again that you have disliked Talley all
along and you are now saying that he hurt you! You are tough enough to
publically blast him on this talk group but you aren't tough enough to not be
hurt? Sounds like a crock of crap to me.
You should join Walbert Keith Farmer in trying to ruin Talleys life again!
Are there any other singers that you hate this much? I haven't seen your
opinion about anyone else publically posted. Or is it just Talley that you
hate?
You are full of ______. I have many opinions as to what could finish that
sentence. HATE is the biggest one!
REvans2311
>remember that if your hero doesn't and falls back into the old lifestyle,
>you and the rest of Kirk-worshipping buddies are partially responsible given
>your haste to return your king to his throne. Homos don't have particularly
>long life spans. I believe the male average is what, 42?
THIS IS THE BIGGEST CROCK I HAVE EVER READ!!!!!! IF the life span of a
homosexual is only 42 years old, I guess Talley already has that beat. I think
he is in the upper 40's.
>
>I suggest you spend as much time in prayer for the man as you do in his
>signing line, waiting for your 30 seconds of gherm time.
>
Actually I have already spent a lot of time in prayer for him. Much more time
than I will get to speak to him. See I am not looking to spend a lot of time
talking to him. I don't gherm any singer. I see them all as human beings
with faults and failures just like me and you. Oh I forgot who I was talking
to-you evidently have no faults or failures. Other than the obvious HATE for
anyone that you think is imperfect
dack jarvis
are two different things. HOW were you personally hurt by Kirk? And I
don't mean getting your feelings hurt (which is your own fault), but
significant and serious injury.
--
Dackleigh Robinson Jarvis III
"Democracy is not a faith-based initiative"
dack jarvis
Man wrote:
> Homos don't have particularly
> long life spans. I believe the male average is what, 42?
>
What? where on earth did you did up such a ludicrous statistic?
Man
http://www.rickryan.com/lessons/homo.htm
I had links to several more pieces but can't find it right now. Rod Parsley
has been all over this subject lately. I took the specific of 42 years from
his broadcast over the weekend. Using his own research he stated that only
1% of homosexual men ever see their 50th birthday. Dispute the exact figure
if you like, but the medical research I've quotes on my site is a little
hard to dispute, IMHO. At the very least it's an extremely hazardous
lifestyle and I hope you find a way out of it soon.
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REvans2311
i do not condone homosexuality and certainly dont approve of what Talley did
but people like Rick Ryan compiling a bunch of hog wash and using it against
people like Talley makes me want to support Talley even more. It's more
obvious all the time that Rick Ryan is about as low as the extortionist that
caused Talley the trouble in the first place.
Does he have a vendetta against Talley or what!
dack jarvis
Man wrote:
> Here's some info I've compiled on the subject:
> http://www.rickryan.com/lessons/homo.htm
I have no doubt about the health risks involved (I work in public health
so there's no disputing the risks), but Rod Parsley is not someone who
can be trusted to give an honest and scientific average-life-span for
all gay men, especially the notion that only 1% of gay men reach 50.
That might be 1% of non-monogamous sexually active gay men, perhaps, but
even this would be a stretch. (Rod has a built-in religious bias that
would put his assertions in the 'suspect' category at best, and outright
falsifying the facts and exaggerating their fantasies at worst, which is
where most evangelicals operate. His income depends on being as far
right-wing as possible, so he's not about to be completely objective.)
Before giving an average life span figure, you have to factor in the
behaviors of gay men, which run the gamut from celibacy, to monogamy and
safer-sex practices, and all the way out to indiscriminate unsafe sex
with multiple partners (which is usually compounded by alcohol and drug
use). You'd have to show those who are celibate or monogamous are at
"x" risk level, while safer-sex pactitioenrs are at "y" risk, and unsafe
sex practitioners are at "z" risk with a life expectancy in this group
at "xx" years of age. Whatever you come up with, you should be really
careful about glibly tossing off some figures about 'all gay men' just
because some TV preacher said so, and you have to be honest about the
risk factors and where they fall and into which groups of people.
> At the very least it's an extremely hazardous
> lifestyle and I hope you find a way out of it soon.
There is no single "gay lifestyle", any more than there is a "straight
lifestyle", so you can't just lump all gay men into a single pile and
apply a random statistic to that whole group. Sexual orientation is not
a 'lifestyle', but it is expressed in a wide variety of lifestyles,
whether gay or straight. Being gay isn't a "lifestyle" that a person
can just move into or out of. It's who I am. My "lifestyle" is about
frugality, spirituality (without theism), recycling, rescuing and
refinishing furniture, making sure my kids and grandkids are okay,
building a knitting business on the side to fund my old age. I don't
eat processed foods, I cook in old time cast iron, don't own a cell
phone, microwave, or car. THESE are "lifestyle" choices and there's
nothing hazardous about any of it. Sexual orientation is not a
lifestyle or a choice. What I DO with it IS a choice, and as I've said
before, I'm gay by birth, but celibate by choice. (Like some of my
friends, I've been called an Amish woman trapped in a southern
gentleman's body by those who actually know MY lifestyle and my
conservative ways.)
Tossing off the "gay lifestyle" label is a sure give-away that you
really don't know the topic at all. Get to know some gay and lesbian
people on your own and see what their lives are about. Most of us are
fairly decent folks, and relatively few of us are anything close to the
stereotypes trotted out in the news media by Falwell or Focus on the
Family -- they lie to protect their income.
Dack
KJCSmith1
that's what I was wondering, My best friends brother is 48 and still very much
alive and healthy and yes he is gay.
Hank Gillette
"Man" <manws...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Sir, I have a HUGE PROBLEM with ANYONE that uses the gospel of Christ for
> their own dishonest gain. Faggots posing as evangelists definitely fall into
> that category in my book.
I have a problem with someone going around using terms like "fag". I
can't say it surprises me anymore to see someone claiming to be a
Christian doing it, but I can't see how anyone could justify it as
"Christ-like" behavior.
--
Hank Gillette
"I trust God speaks through me." -- George W. Bush, 4/9/2004
"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop
thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do
we." -- George W. Bush, 8/5/2004
Just Allan
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>We only need look as far as Michael English to see that it's unlikely he'll
>ever tour as heavily or sing to as many people as he did previously.
Would many fans even know though? I mean, there's not a huge
gathering of folks here, or other groups/lists I've seen. So unless
it's actually mentioned from a stage microphone, would they even know
about it? (I get the impression the answer is no - but maybe that's
not the case.)
Allan.
KJCSmith1
>it's actually mentioned from a stage microphone, would they even know
>about it?
It is mentioned from the stage, Michael talks about his struggles and God's
forgiveness and about God giving him opprtunity to share his struggles so that
someone else might avoid the same pit falls.
Michael is still touring and singing to many people maybe not like before, but
then he and Marcie have a new baby so he isn't touring much right now.
Greg Taylor
when he 'fell')?
Man
Not that how I feel means jack, but you asked for evidence.................I
grew up on SG. Used to think the world of the people "proclaiming the gospel
of Christ thru song". Granted, I was a naive little shaver but I always
thought that at least these were decent people doing a good work. I still
believe some are.
I moved to Nashville in 1985 to chase the dream of being FT in music. I
obviously didn't make it. I program computers for a living. During that
first few years I spent a fair amount of time hanging out at the studio that
housed the label Kirk is on. Met him on a couple of occasions. Yes, I was a
gherm around the studio. Here I was, fresh off the AL farm (literally) and
getting to see the "big stars" of SG as they were cutting projects. Even
tagged along on a few video shoots. Problem is, I started seeing what was
going on behind the scenes and it wasn't good. Add to that the execs who ran
their mouths constantly about even more rancid behaviour (including their
own) than I was seeing. Pretty soon, a young'un starts to form the opinion
that these folks are mostly fake and not worth being around. I believe
you've also related somewhat the same experience with churches, no? Don't
you feel like you were "damaged" from those experiences? Well so do I. Add
to that, my brother was working at PTL when all that garbage went down (I
got a good dose of reality from that also) and you can see that you and I
probably aren't quite so far apart in our views.
How was I hurt, personally? I won't go into any more specifics but hope the
above conveys enough. It's over, time to move on. I've spoken out on several
occasions on the above subject and have consistently taken a beating because
I was sharing just a tiny bit of what I've experienced with SG and all
because I was messing with some people's "sacred cow" (take a look at REvans
recent posts). I know some people here think I'm twisted, angry and bitter
but that's not the case. It just pushes my personal hot button when I see
people (seemingly) getting away with junk in the name of ministry. It's not
right. Evil needs to be purged out of our midst (the brethren) and the
offenders restored. It does do damage to people, real people with eternal
souls. Nobody is served, except satan himself, when we believers merely turn
a blind eye and sweep it under the rug, just because we get our ears tickled
in return.
Okay, you can wake up now. Let the beatings begin.
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Man
BTW, I forgive you.
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Man
the subject last year (sorry I can't put my hands on the links right now)
and it also claimed mid 40s as an average age. I did get the 1% from Rod.
Keep in mind, these are averages considering the lifestyle choice in
general. I believe it takes into accounts all groups of homosexuals.
BTW, I do know and work with, homosexuals. I'm well aware of who and what
they're about. It's personally revolting to me, no offense.
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REvans2311
>Date: 8/10/04 10:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <68f8cfbe249e4d13...@news.meganetnews.com>
of course not I am praying that God will deliver you from the obvious HATE
you have for Talley and that you will start acting like a true christian and
have some compassion and concern for a fallen brother instead of constantly
putting him down.
REvans2311
BUT HOW LONG DO YOU CONTINUE TO CRY LIKE A BABY AND HANG ON TO YOUR HURT AND
DISAPOINTMENT? geez give it a rest! turn that energy into something
productive!
Talley has paid for his sin. He has admitted it all, why not try to be
positive about it. Do you believe in the redeeming grace of Christ? Do you
not think that is extended through his people? Or do you think that just
because one fails God, he has to remain down the rest of his life?
When does Talley get a chance with you? Why don't you wait and see what he
says in concert before you decide to kick him to the curb and continue to stomp
on him? I think he has been stomped enough!
man
> Claiming you were hurt, and providing some reasonable evidence of hurt
> are two different things. HOW were you personally hurt by Kirk? And I
> don't mean getting your feelings hurt (which is your own fault), but
> significant and serious injury.
>
(BOREDOM WARNING)
David Bruce Murray
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> On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 09:38:50 -0400, "David Bruce Murray"
> <dbmu...@NOSPAM.mailblocks.com> wrote:
>
> >We only need look as far as Michael English to see that it's unlikely
he'll
> >ever tour as heavily or sing to as many people as he did previously.
>
> Would many fans even know though?
I think so. Stuff like that gets around among fans quickly.
KJCSmith1
>when he 'fell')?
No she isn't. Mike and Lisa divorced and Lisa remarried about a year or two
later. Mike and Marcie have been married for little over a year. Megan (his
daughter) sees him often and just adores her little sister.
Just Allan
>> So unless
>>it's actually mentioned from a stage microphone, would they even know
>>about it?
>
>It is mentioned from the stage, Michael talks about his struggles and God's
>forgiveness and about God giving him opprtunity to share his struggles so that
>someone else might avoid the same pit falls.
Oh ok, I was more refering to person in the subject header is about.
Man
your friend is able to get rid of those demons before they take his life:
http://www.apologeticspress.org/rr/rr2004/res0408c.htm
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dack jarvis
unbiased source for much of anything.
--
KJCSmith1
>your friend is able to get rid of those demons before they take his life:
BTW I don't need any info. Like I said my friend's brother is healthy, you
must have missed a while back when I said he abstained from having sex. So
really get all your facts before condeming someone okay
REvans2311
Big UN (you can fill in the blanks as to what UN could mean) would argue with a
stop sign. Just consider the source and keep praying for him. It obvious he
is just one of those people who won't give up til Talley and anyone else that
don't measure up to his standards, is totally out of Gospel Music. No matter
what anyone else says, there will always be a few that will continue to Hate
and condemn. Just ignore him. If you go back and look at all his postings,
he loves to argue.
Man
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> No one has mentioned all the other lives that have been affected
> because one person was living a lie in front of thousands of fans of
> Southern Gospel Music.
Um, excuse me. I'll take exception with that statement. Been saying it for a
long while now and getting blasted for it.
TommyDale
Present complany excluded...You and I know you have. I was referring
to all the others and especially his close friends and family. They
have known probably longer than anyone. I don't think I will be
attending any of the SG concerts where those people perform, at least
for a long while. I think they are guilty of covering it up and
"enabling" the perverted behavior.
KJCSmith1
I don't have time right now to tell everything that
happened this weekend in Maryville and Lenior City, TN
but I just can't wait to tell you what a wonderful
time we had.
In the eight months Kirk Talley has been off the work,
he has spend much time in counselling and being
discipled by his pastor Tommy Patterson. Saturday
night as he walked out on stage to the applause and
cheers of a full house, you could see the joy yet
apprehension on his face.
I've known Kirk for a lot of years. We have talked
and joked and had some heated disagreements. But
Saturday night I saw something I don't remember ever
seeing before when looking at Kirk, I saw a peace that
wasn't there in the pass.
I know there are many who will say 'he fooled people
before, how do you know things are different?' because
I've heard that even before I went to the concert. If
you talk to Kirk (and you have ever really talked with
him before) you do see a marked difference.
And I even have someone tell me a few weeks ago, 'it
doesn't matter what he does or says I won't ever
listen to him again'. All I can say to that is
Gal.1:10 - "Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a
fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in
the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou
also be tempted". Kirk is not denying or trying to
explain away any wrong he has done. He is attempting
to allow God to use him in whatever way God choses.
Yesterday morning we went to the church Kirk is
attending. It is a church that truly not only
preaches the word but they show forth the love of God.
On Saturday evening Kirk's pastor had spoken at the
concert. His message on love, true Christian love was
very powerful. Often we see love as ignoring
something that is wrong when truly love sees the wrong
and loves us anyway. Love draws us to the right from
the wrong but it doesn't stop loving because of the
wrong.
Kirk sang some new songs he had written before the
pastor preached. In the last month God has begun to
allow Kirk to write again after months of being too
depressed and discouraged to write. He had several
that I think are going to speak to many people.
Kirk made one statement that especially stuck with me.
He said, "Several people over the last few days have
welcomed me back. I'm not sure I'm back or that I
even want to be 'back'. I'm open and I'm available
wherever God opens a door but back on the circuit, I'm
not sure that will happen. My priorities have
changed. I know I have enjoyed working here at this
church and I've needed this. I don't want to get away
from that."
I talked with Kirk about that after the service. He
talked about his need to be there at the church for
the discipleship and fellowship it provides. So he
knows even if the 'circuit' welcomes him back, he must
have the Wednesday nights there and he needs to limit
the time away or set aside some weeks that he doesn't
do Sunday days so that he can be in his church.
I recalled a statement I had made to someone last year
looking at Kirk's schedule. I had been attempting to
help Faye find a church for a booking. His schedule
was so packed and he took so little time off. I
said,"He doesn't even have time to think". In recent
months I've thought of that statement and realize his
frantic push for dates was possibly his attempt to run
from himself.
Kirk openly shares much of what happened the last few
months as well as other times over the years, but you
can tell that each sharing is costly to him, it does
not come easy. But his message is needed and I would
say to any promoter or pastor that is thinking of
including Kirk, there are fans and friends across the
country that love this man and will come out to
support him. If you fall into that category and you
are thinking of excluding him or if you are a radio
station that has pulled his music and continues to
keep it off the air, I'd encourage you to go to Gal.
1:10 and ask yourself if you are following God's
directions or man's self-rightousness.
Sorry, didn't mean for this to turn into a sermon. I
know everyone has to do what they think is right when
a ministry has been called into question for whatever
reason. A pastor has a responsibility to be sure of
who he allows in his pulpit. A promoter should feel a
sense of responsibility for who he places in front of
his audiences too. And radio stations have to make
the choices they believe is right for their listening
audience.
But I do urge you to remember that much of what you
may have read in the newsletter may be slanted as much
liberal media is to make anyone who has ever claimed
to be a Christian appear in the worse light possible.
If you have doubts or questions about where Kirk is
headed now, I think he would be happy to answer them
as much as he can. I think there is some quesiton on
that even by him as he is not sure what doors God will
open and which ones He may allow to stay closed.
I guess you can tell, I'm one of the folks that will
be attending his concerts and church services, I will
continue to pray for him and I truly hope that other
Christians will do the same!
=====
DeeAnn
TGIF - Today God Is First
dack jarvis
KJCSmith1 wrote:
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BigUn
homosexuality. Thanks for taking the time to share that.
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number of that bus!?
On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 20:55:42 -0500, "BigUn" <manws...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
Just Allan
>And I even have someone tell me a few weeks ago, 'it
>doesn't matter what he does or says I won't ever
>listen to him again'.
Not ever? I don't agree with that, but I don't agree with thrusting
someone back to where they were before either. Goodness knows I've
sinned enough in life and usually it was the situation/place/position
that provided the easy opportunity for sin to take place.
>If you fall into that category and you
>are thinking of excluding him or if you are a radio
>station that has pulled his music and continues to
>keep it off the air, I'd encourage you to go to Gal.
>1:10 and ask yourself if you are following God's
>directions or man's self-rightousness.
I'd encourage this person to read how Paul about John Mark coming
along on another missionary journey. Forgiveness is required, but
trust must be earned - not owed.
That aside, isn't it great to see a homosexual delivered from their
sin!
Allan.
REvans2311
should go to Tennessee this past weekend to hear him. Yes I have been a
supporter during his trouble, yes I have stood up for him and Yes I will
continue to do so.
I have never been so impressed with anyone in my entire life. He came out on
stage singing "Whatever It Takes". The crowd stood to their feet and cheered
and clapped so long and so loud, I coudn't even hear him singing. Even when
the song was over, they were still on their feet clapping and showing their
support. He sang some old songs and a few with tracks and then sat on a stool
and told the entire story. It took a Big Man to tell the audience the entire
story. After hearing the story, I realized there was much more to the story
than what was reported in the Knoxville paper. I didn't know that the
blackmailer followed him and stalked him on the road. Talley said that the
blackmailer would call him after concerts and tell him (Talley) what he sang,
said, what time he arrived, what time he left, what kind of rental car he was
in, even down to what kind of shoes he was wearing. Talley said he started
taping the conversations so there would be evidence of the extortion attempt so
I don't think he would lie about things that happened and things that were
said. And he explained why he was the one that carried the money out of the
restaurant on the night of the arrest. The extortionist reported that he
(Farmer) was there to teach Talley a lesson, therefore, not really interested
in the money. Kirk reported that Farmer refused to count the money in the
restaurant and insisted they go outside. He pushed the money over to Talley
and got up and left. Talley said he carried the money outside where the FBI
arrested Farmer. I don't believe Talley was lying, I don't think he would
because the assistant US attorney was in the audience! Talley acknowledged
him from the stage and thanked him for being good to him.
Talley went on to report what had happened with his counseling sessions. He
still goes each week. He was honest when he said that the "healing" was a
journey that he was walking in. He described it as a process. He even said
that he didn't want to offer anyone false hope by thinking that the experience
with his counselors was all it took to be free of his problems. He also said
that he blamed noone but himself. It was obvious the crowd (approx 600)
appreciated his honesty because again, they stood to their feet and applauded.
Kirk introduced the audience to a young lady-he credited her and her husband
for actually saving his life in Jan and Feb. He then introduced his pastor who
has obviously had tremendous impact on him. His pastor spoke about 10 minutes
and was used of God in great way. I liked him so much that we decided to stay
over and attend his church on Sunday Morning.
In the Sunday morning service, I saw something amazing. Anthony Burger stayed
over just to attend the worship in support of Kirk. I wonder how many other
artists would have given up a morning of sleep after a long concert to support
another artist. I never was a big Burger fan but I am now.
Kirk sang some new songs at the keyboard that he has written, then sang a few
with the church singers that he had written in the past few weeks, and then
sang a song called "Where Sin Abounds, Grace Abounds Greater". WOW I had
never heard it before-the entire church was lifting their hands and the power
of God was obviously in the church.
Kirk's pastor ( can't remember his name-but I will never forget him) was as
dynamic as any speaker I have ever heard.
He said he was proud to have Kirk as a member of his church and proud to be his
pastor. He even told how he made Kirk play for the music when the other pianst
quit attending. I don't think Kirk had much of a choice. I got the impression
that Kirk loved that little church and enjoyed working with the singers and
would hate to miss it if he travels again. I wish I lived closer to East
Tennessee-I would definitely join that church.
For all of you that continue to bash Talley and say mean and nasty things about
him-I pray for you. I for one can see the Grace of God displayed in his life
and his testimony and I stand behind him totally. He ministered to me more
than any southern gospel singer has ever done. Maybe because he was honest and
not afraid to admit his own faults and failures. He is a GIANT in my eyes.
REvans2311
>Date: 8/16/04 9:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: <u8o2i01lggmh9hoee...@4ax.com>
>
>Hm... That post didn't show up in my newsreader - anyone get the
>number of that bus!?
You won't need a bus. It seems there are only 3 or 4 that want to ride with
you guys. Take a sedan. You'll save Gas. And if you run out--use the hot air
!
dack jarvis
Kirk.
REvans2311 wrote:
> After finding dates listed on Kirk Talleys website last week, I decided we
> should go to Tennessee this past weekend to hear him. Yes I have been a
> supporter during his trouble, yes I have stood up for him and Yes I will
> continue to do so.
--
Dackleigh Robinson Jarvis III
"Hate is not a family value"
Steve
see that he is back doing his job again and being a servant for our Lord and
Savior.
TUBAS RULE DUDES
TJ Burk
TUBAS RULE DUDES
> Believe me -- lots of fans were hurt. The industry was hurt. The
> Message of the Gospel was hurt. You wouldn't get it if it hit you
> between the eyes, because you
> accept the sin of homosexuality, and see nothing wrong with it.
Tally is NOT the only fag Southern Gospel Music Star.
If you are popular and ungodly the SGM music industry
loves you
invites you
can't get enough of you.
If you are a less known but godly/holy artist
you sit on the sidelines.
Southern Gospel ain't about holiness.
It is about makin $$$$$$$$$$$ not for God but for man.
It is a buisiness not a ministry.
Nothin more
TJ Burk
glad to play tuba
TommyDale
Slight correction: Talley has just STARTED to pay for his sin. It's
a long road back. You can't turn 30+ years around in just a few
months. Nobody is stomping on him. He did that all by himself.
REvans2311
stormtrooper65 wrote
>Slight correction: Talley has just STARTED to pay for his sin. It's
>a long road back. You can't turn 30+ years around in just a few
>months. Nobody is stomping on him. He did that all by himself.
I am sure glad you aren't God. You seem to know nothing about forgiveness and
grace! Do you not have any weaknesses, faults or failures? I guess you
aren't this hard on yourself, only the sin of homosexuality?
RayDunakin
Big correction: Jesus paid for Talley's sin (and yours and mine).
<< You can't turn 30+ years around in just a few months. >>
That depends on who's doing the changing. God can change people in an instant.
RayDunakin
you sit on the sidelines. >>
Sounds like you squeezed that whine from sour grapes.
Steve
That was the best post I have seen on this subject!!!! WE have all fallen
short of the Grace of God but thankfully he is there to forgive and forget when
we ask him to.
Kirk has fallen short and also asked for forgiveness. People need to give him
credit and half a chance. We are not God and need to not pass judgements on
anyone else. Judge not...Less ye be judged.
>Big correction: Jesus paid for Talley's sin (and yours and mine).
TommyDale
> << Slight correction: Talley has just STARTED to pay for his sin. >>
>
> Big correction: Jesus paid for Talley's sin (and yours and mine).
Of course He did. I was referring to the financial struggle, which
will be difficult now to rebuild his audience and fan following.
> << You can't turn 30+ years around in just a few months. >>
>
> That depends on who's doing the changing. God can change people in an instant.
Agreed. Time will tell.
REvans2311
>Of course He did. I was referring to the financial struggle, which
>will be difficult now to rebuild his audience and fan following.
From what I saw this weekend, I think Talley has great support. He evidently
is one of the best there is when it comes to people skills and being accessible
to the fans. I have been to concerts where the artist never comes out until
its time to sell CD's and then when it's over, they go directly to the bus or
the dressing room. Talley was out there with the people and it was obvious
they loved him and appreciated him, IN SPITE OF HIS FAULTS AND FAILURES. Of
course there are two or three on this group that would never consider forgiving
him and hoping for the best for him. They constantly put him down, and cast
negative lights on anyone of us that wish Talley the best.
TUBAS RULE DUDES
> << If you are a less known but godly/holy artist
> you sit on the sidelines. >>
>
> Sounds like you squeezed that whine from sour grapes.
Hey man I just call um like a see um.
Same fags , drunks, adulterers and druggies leadin the big SGM gigs each year.
Southern Gospel Music might be southern but most of it sure ain't "gospel".
Many of the big tyme sgm stars are many or all of these things:
Druggies
Adulterers
Drunks
Fags
Smokers
Cuss like a sailor
Act one way on stage, another way off the stage
Classify themselves into a a group
a b group and a c group based ONLY on a groups
popularity not spirituality
(Popular groups get invited to all the big tyme gigs
not holy KJV only godly groups)
(The a groups go on first and get the most tyme.)
In other words:
The FANS are not stupid.
Sooner or later we learn that SGM is a buisiness not a ministry
and is ALL about popularity and $$$$$$$$
not about the Real King James Bible 1611 only holiness/godliness.
TJ Burk
GregRoberts72
>and is ALL about popularity and $$$$$$$$
>not about the Real King James Bible 1611 only holiness/godliness.
>
>TJ Burk
>
Was there a Bible before 1611?
l smith
makes me not want to listen to this music anymore. And, since I already
have had these questions for over 10 years, I can barely drag myself to
any concerts of any kind that are Christian anymore. And to be honest,
that IS hurting my faith.
Hank Gillette
Chiqu...@webtv.net (l smith) wrote:
Don't confuse the messenger with the message. All human beings are
fallible (some more so than others). If you trust in any person, you are
almost sure to be disappointed at some time. That doesn't mean don't do
it, but don't expect more than a person can give.
--
Hank Gillette
"I trust God speaks through me." -- George W. Bush, 4/9/2004
"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."
-- George W. Bush, 1/23/2004
REvans2311
>year.
>
>Southern Gospel Music might be southern but most of it sure ain't "gospel".
>
>Many of the big tyme sgm stars are many or all of these things:
>
>Druggies
>
>Adulterers
>
>Drunks
>
>Fags
>
>Smokers
>
>Cuss like a sailor
>
>Act one way on stage, another way off the stage
>
>Classify themselves into a a group
>a b group and a c group based ONLY on a groups
>popularity not spirituality
>(Popular groups get invited to all the big tyme gigs
>not holy KJV only godly groups)
>(The a groups go on first and get the most tyme.)
>
>In other words:
>
>The FANS are not stupid.
>
>Sooner or later we learn that SGM is a buisiness not a ministry
>and is ALL about popularity and $$$$$$$$
>not about the Real King James Bible 1611 only holiness/godliness.
>
>TJ Burk
So is there anyone in Gospel Music (including contemporary christian music)
that you think has a real ministry?
RayDunakin
<< Popular groups get invited to all the big tyme gigs not holy KJV only godly
groups) >>
No, groups with talent get invited to the "big tyme" gigs. If your group isn't
getting invited, there's one possible reason.
Other issues may be a factor as well, such as whether the group or artist is a
holier-than-thou twit.
l smith
feel like giving anymore money to people who are standing up there
laughing at the gullible Christians. Its no use. I wish I lived in
another day and time where money had not gotten involved in the the
message of the Gospel, cause there is no way to know now what is going
on. And, Christians are so so blind. Where do you think that people
who mean to do harm to christianity would head if they were looking for
a place to do the most harm to the most people? They would head to the
things that have the most influence, thats where. (like this music
INDUSTRY) Dont think for a minute that some of these people aren't
doing some of the things they are doing ON PURPOSE.
Hank Gillette
Chiqu...@webtv.net (l smith) wrote:
> Dont think for a minute that some of these people aren't
> doing some of the things they are doing ON PURPOSE.
I don't disagree. But anything that costs money will attract some people
who are in it only for the money. I doubt the people who perform gospel
music but don't live Christian lives are laughing at their audience or
trying to harm anyone. They are simply trying to make a living at
something they enjoy and are good at.
--
Hank Gillette
"I trust God speaks through me." -- George W. Bush, 4/9/2004
"[W]hether they be Christian, Jew, or Muslim, or Hindu, people have heard
the universal call to love a neighbor just like they'd like to be called
themselves."ã George W. Bush, 10/08/03