Tony Gore
Claire Byerley Plunk
but I don't recall a post regarding Tony Gore's size. That is one man who
not only can't sing, but has no timing. His rhythmic timing for most of his
songs is off and he is quite large. I can't listen to his music because I
get frustrated at him always being off.
Most of the time I simply read the posts and don't say much, but this one
got me. Howard Goodman has been quite ill for approximately 8 weeks. There
are hardly any posts about the Goodmans on this ng and all of a sudden he is
being riduculed about his weight. The Goodman's might not be your style of
music, just as Tony Gore is not mine. However, we all have our own faults
and imperfections. I have known the Goodmans for many years and just left
their employment last June when I got married. They are wonderful people
and I call them my family. Quite frankly, I found the comments made about
them on this ng offensive.
I hope you are more sensitive to your family than the comments that I have
read here.
Claire Byerley Plunk
Tony Rush
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> I have a question. Everyone was crucifying the Goodmans
> about their size, but I don't recall a post regarding Tony
> Gore's size. That is one man who not only can't sing, but
> has no timing. His rhythmic timing for most of his songs
> is off and he is quite large. I can't listen to his music
> because I get frustrated at him always being off.
Claire, I was the one who made the initial remark about Howard
Goodman. However, it was about obesity in general, not about Howard
specifically -- I simply made the comment in a post that was about him
as that's what sparked the thought. Had the conversation been about
Tony Gore, I might have just as easily thought of it.
> Most of the time I simply read the posts and don't say
> much, but this one got me. Howard Goodman has been quite
> ill for approximately 8 weeks. There are hardly any posts
> about the Goodmans on this ng and all of a sudden he is
> being riduculed about his weight.
I don't think anyone was "ridiculing" him about his weight.
Unless you consider it "ridicule" if someone brings it up.
Obesity is one of those topics that everyone seems to have
silently agreed not to talk about....so when someone mentions
that someone is drastically overweight, I suppose it can appear
to be harsh or "ridiculous". It wasn't meant that way and I
think if you'll go back through the posts, you won't find that
anyone was making fun of Mr. Goodman.
> The Goodman's might not
> be your style of music, just as Tony Gore is not mine.
> However, we all have our own faults and imperfections. I
> have known the Goodmans for many years and just left their
> employment last June when I got married. They are
> wonderful people and I call them my family. Quite frankly,
> I found the comments made about them on this ng offensive.
If they would be offensive to anyone, I would think it would
have to be Howard -- the comments weren't directed to anyone
else so I don't know why they would be offensive. If you're
saying that you would prefer that no one mentioned how
overweight he is, I understand. But, it's just one of those
things that happens on an open list such as this. Again,
no harm was intended...or resulted, as far as I know.
> I hope you are more sensitive to your family than the
> comments that I have read here.
About Howard being overweight? Was my comment insensitive?
Tony
Claire Byerley Plunk
this newsgroup, so many times the comments are made about specific people
(this incident included) when the artists maybe going through a hard time
or sick. Your comment was not as harsh as the ones that followed yours. I
understand that this is an open newgroup and I fully respect and appreciate
that fact. It just gets to me that we criticize so many things, not just
obesity, that we simple don't understand. I have been in the music business
and see how people are treated because of their size. There are a few
extremely talented people that I know personally that should be professional
artists, only they are too large to be "appealing" to the public's persona
of a "star." I think this is sad, but it is the world as it stands.
I did not write my comments as an attack on anyone's right to free speech, I
only wanted to point out that not everything is as it may seem. The
comments regarding Howard's size went so far as to even talk about what sort
of chair he sits in on videos. He sits in a special chair because he needs
to. The chairs are offered to the other Legends as well, ie. George Younce,
Jake Hess just to mention a few.
Mr. Rush, thank you for your response. I appreciate your candor
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David Ching
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> I am sorry, maybe I didn't express myself correctly. My point is that on
> this newsgroup, so many times the comments are made about specific people
> (this incident included) when the artists maybe going through a hard time
> or sick. Your comment was not as harsh as the ones that followed yours.
I
> understand that this is an open newgroup and I fully respect and
appreciate
> that fact. It just gets to me that we criticize so many things, not just
> obesity, that we simple don't understand. I have been in the music
business
> and see how people are treated because of their size. There are a few
> extremely talented people that I know personally that should be
professional
> artists, only they are too large to be "appealing" to the public's persona
> of a "star." I think this is sad, but it is the world as it stands.
>
With public figures, physical appearance does count for something. I think
Christians are taught to be less sensitive to it than others, but even so,
if a person is obese, then he needs to make up for the negative perception
by delivering on his billing. A singing "legend" needs to be able to sing.
And I'm sorry, but I don't like the way the Howard Goodman sings.
The difference between Howard Goodman and Tony Gore, in my mind, is that
Tony does deliver. He is a fine lead singer with great tone. I don't
notice him being off beat, or otherwise musically deficient.
I agree with you that there may be things we do not know about or
understand. But we make decisions based on what we do know, because that is
life. I got killed on the Kenny Bishop thread for stating the opinion that
the Bishops should have been more forthcoming on their situation so we could
make knowledgeable, informed decisions on whether to support Mark Bishop's
new ministry. I guess some people would rather not make decisions if there
is insufficient information (although even then, a decision has been made).
> I did not write my comments as an attack on anyone's right to free speech,
I
> only wanted to point out that not everything is as it may seem. The
> comments regarding Howard's size went so far as to even talk about what
sort
> of chair he sits in on videos. He sits in a special chair because he
needs
> to. The chairs are offered to the other Legends as well, ie. George
Younce,
> Jake Hess just to mention a few.
>
I was the one who first brought up the chairs on the Gaither videos. I did
not do so to make fun of Howard's weight. Instead, I was looking at it from
a new fan's perspective. Here is someone who: 1) is prominently featured
in the front row; 2) takes up a special leisure chair when; 3) the rest of
the singers are jammed into chairs so tightly spaced they can't move; 4) is
a below average performer in the many times he is featured, IMO. To me, it
is an injustice to the other singers. That was just my opinion. I'm sorry
it was offensive to you.
I would have the same comment about George Younce and Jake Hess, and any
other inhabitor of the special chairs, with or without weight problems. The
difference is that George delivers on most (not all) of his features. The
same holds for Jake.
-- David
TommyDale
I've never noticed Tony Gore being off with his timing. He does
syncopate, which may be construed by some as "off", perhaps. This is
a technique used by many musicians and is quite effective when
inserting feeling ("soul").
