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Clo Cannot Download Colors From The Pantone Server

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Argelia Fernandez

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Jan 10, 2024, 11:28:36 PM1/10/24
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I know this is a partnership between Adobe and Pantone, however Adobe software is useless if we cannot choose industry standard colors. It's been extremely challenging, especially with a CC subscription.


Hello indesign team, I would like to add a comment to bump this issue so you prioritize it as an update or new feature. I cannot download external software to add new colors manually due to software restrictions by my employer. Please make sure you prioritize this. It has always been challenging to add new colors manually when Pantone adds new ones to their book. It is a poor user experience. It is something that you should devote resources to fix.



clo cannot download colors from the pantone server

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I had one project where I was using 11 Pantone+ Solid Coated spot colors - something like 6 of them were not in InDesign, but they were in my Pantone formula guide (2nd edition, 3rd printing), which I purchased maybe two years ago. I had to purchase a Pantone software package (Pantone Color Manager) to manually import these colors into InDesign from that software package for me to get the design I wanted. The ones I had to add manually were Pantone 2270, 2013, 2184, 2034, 2228 and 7961. The issue definitely exists with Pantone colors with 4 numbers in the name - not all, but some.


For instance, just checking this morning, at a minimum at least these Pantone colors are not available in the most current version of InDesign, but they are in my Pantone Solid Coated Formula Guide (2nd ed., 3rd printing): 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024, 2025, 2026, 2027, 2028, 2337, 2338, 2339, 2340, 2341, 2342, 2343, 2029, 2030, 2031, 2032, 2033, 2034, 2035, 2344, 2345, 2346, 2347, 2348, 2349, 2350, 2036, 2037, 2038, 2039, 2040, 2041, 2042. Certainly there are more, but that is from the first 20% of my Pantone+ Solid Coated Formula Guide, and that is around 50 colors already.


2. Exact steps to update Pantone Color Manager - it has been a while since I've used it and my software access has expired, but from what I recall, the steps are you go to the Fan Deck in the lower right, select Pantone Master Standards, pick the formula guide you want then pick the colors from there and put them in a custom palette. This is where is gets fuzzy, so I could be wrong, but I think from there you go to File --> Export... and follow the instructions there. (Again my software has expired, and right now I do not have a need to renew it, otherwise I could provide more exact steps.)


Those are not spot color swatches, nor are they very helpful.

That link also says, pantone spot colors use in previously made documents will be available.

so get busy making files with your favorite spots.


When you place an image that contains spot colors, the colors are automatically added as swatches to the Swatches panel. You can apply these swatches to objects in your document, but you cannot redefine or delete the swatches.


You cannot delete spot colors used by placed graphics in the document. To delete these colors, you must first delete the graphic. However, in rare cases, the spot color cannot be removed even though the graphic has been removed. Use File > Export to create an InDesign Markup (IDML) file in such instances and re-open that file in InDesign.




You cannot share the following types of swatches between applications: patterns, gradients, mixed inks and tints, and the Registration swatch from Illustrator or InDesign; and book color references, HSB, XYZ, duotone, monitorRGB, opacity, total ink, and webRGB swatches from Photoshop. These types of swatches are automatically excluded when you save swatches.




You can import colors and gradients from other documents, adding all or some of the swatches to the Swatches panel. You can load swatches from InDesign files (.indd), InDesign templates (.indt), Illustrator files (.ai or .eps), and Adobe Swatch Exchange files (.ase) created by InDesign, Illustrator, or Photoshop. Adobe Swatch Exchange files contain swatches saved in the Adobe Swatch Exchange format.






InDesign also includes color libraries from other color systems, such as ANPA, or you can add libraries through Pantone Connect. Spot colors used by imported EPS, PDF, TIFF, and Adobe Photoshop (PSD) files are also added to the Swatches panel.




Provides 1280 CMYK spot colors from the DIC Process Color Note. Colors may be matched against the DIC Color Guide, published by Dainippon Ink & Chemicals, Inc. For more information, contact Dainippon Ink & Chemicals, Inc., in Tokyo, Japan.




PANTONE process guides let you choose from over 3,000 process combinations now printed on coated and uncoated stocks. Displayed in chromatic order in fan-guide format, it's easy to select colors and specify CMYK screen values.


I found this. Was excited for a moment when I saw how easy it was to bring in a pantone library. That was quickly dashed when it would not keep the pantone colours in any files saved. I tried with both EPS and PDF files. You also cannot tint a pantone colour, you can make it opaque, but no tinting. Bringing in pantone libraries works as people have pointed out, but it is useless without files holding onto that info when being saved. If it is just going to convert to CMYK, why bother using pantone to begin with? Hopefully they come out with a proper update soon to add pantones and spot colours.


I started out by selecting from the whole spectrum of colours (colour wheel) and then had to go through the document at various stages, copying hex codes and using the Pantone Colour Finder to provide me with the closest Pantone colour, copying the hex code and pasting it back in to the hex field in AD.



So...a bit tedious, not to mention a little unreliable because when converting any old hex colours to Pantones the results aren't as close as I'd like.



However, I did find a list of Fashion and Interior Pantones hex codes online here and reformatted the pantone-numbers.json to csv. That way I can drop them in to Affinity Designer > Contents > Resources > pantones and they show up as an additional palette in AD.


Does your document contain any linked images that use spot colors?Colors used in linked images cannot be deleted, because Illustrator cannot modify the contents of the linked file to remove the color usage, and it needs them in the color list in order to be able to print and separate that image.




Pantone is the most standard way to specify colors. The problem is, about 20% of all pantone colors cannot be represented correctly on digital monitors because most monitors use thesRGB color space, which is small and cannot display all pantone colors.


A way to find out which pantone colors are safe to use is to first get the CIE lab value of the pantone color from pantone themselves or here -paint.co.uk/lab-hlc-rgb-lrv-values.asp, then use this tool to convert to sRGB:


If the resulting sRGB value contains a negative value, then that means the pantone color cannot be displayed correctly on a regular monitor. A faster way is to first get the RGB value of the pantone color, and if any of the R, G or B values are 0, it's a good chance it's been clipped and thus fall outside the RGB gamut and should be avoided.


The problem is, about 20% of all pantone colors cannot be represented correctly on digital monitors because most monitors use the sRGB color space, which is small and cannot display all pantone colors.


The funny thing is.... apps are much more apt to piracy. They don't need to have connections to servers to function properly. Take, for example, online games. You can't REALLY play them without connecting to the server. You can 100% still use photoshop offline without access to the internet (or with a connection to a fake server). You don't lose anything super important. (Yeah you lose access to online libraries and what not but in a lot of cases I'm pretty sure you can download them manually and have them local on your computer.) Where as with an online game you lose MOST of the game by keeping it offline and away from official servers.


I still say the same that I said in the last topic about this. I believe it is the time we really separate physical and digital colors. In digital editing we start to use approximation colors that are and can be referred to Pantone colors in physical world and as said, you don't even see the exactly, completely identical color of the physical Pantone color even on the most perfectly calibrated screen, so switching it over to something that isn't but without superhuman color separation skill is completely unnoticably different from the Pantone color doesn't change a thing. In physical world you still need to get the books and whatever and use them to check what color you actually want.


As I also said making scripts to replace every Pantone color in digital files with approximations is pretty much simplest importing script there is, just take the color, look for a match in library, if match change the colors value bit or two and user won't even notice it isn't the exact Pantone color on the screen. To make it more usable we do want to keep track of those changed colors so when they are copied, used, changed and whatever we still know what color the user is really wanting but we are not working with Pantone colors, so a special color palette which doesn't even refer to the Pantone colors but keeps all the transformed colors and their transformation differences (as in were the value changed 1 bit up or down) in the memory so when the user wants to know the color we can tell them a bit offset color value from the one showing on the screen. And then finally when anything is exported from the program or saved we undo every and any changes to the color values so the saved file, file send to printer, exported piece of the file, just anything we take out of the software will have the real colors user meant and not our approximations so we can move the problem of using Pantone colors to the next software.

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