Who is SGMs Lowest Bass Now?
James
Who in your opinion is SGMs lowest bass singer?
James
David Bruce Murray
"James" <moore...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Since the passing of J.D. Sumner, we have many good low bass singers.
> Who in your opinion is SGMs lowest bass singer?
If you consider him Southern Gospel, I'd say Paul David Kennamer.
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Ruth
heard in a long time.
Pastor Dan
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> I don't know how deep he can go, but Gene McDonald is the best bass I've
> heard in a long time.
>
Agreed, Ruth. There may be someone who can hit a lower note, but Gene
McDonald's smooth clear tones are hard to beat for overall good sound.
dodger
I have always been a fan of John Hall....I consider him surely among
the best.
Dodger
Rick Malley
To answer the original question... In my opinion, Mike Holcomb, with The
Inspirations, is probably the lowest bass in the "professional" SGM field.
But you know what they say about opinions, they are like noses.. Everyone
has one, and some don't smell so good..
Rick
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James
When we consider very low basses, traveling in SGM groups, Mike Holcomb
should be named as, one of the lowest. I think that Gene McDonald
and "Big " John Hall have prettier voices-and they are low, but I
believe
that I read where J.D. himself said that after he retired the lowest
would
probably be either Mike Holcomb or Cecil Stringer.
James
Jr.
year.
They are holding a lowest bass contest during one of the showcases.
I'll pass that one.
Seems the NQC is turning into a circus more and more.
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James
If you`re going to the NQC, let us know, will you Paul? I don`t think
I`ll get to go.
James
James
David I`m sorry to be so long answering your post,but the four octaves
below middle C is very,very low, even lower than J.Ds. double low C. My
questions are, does
Paul David Kennamer have the capibility of hitting that same note on
any microphone,
and is he in the Guinness Book of World Records?
http://www.neilsonclyne.com/audiotechnica/Valor/Valor.html
http://www.valormusic.net/anthem.html
James
Jr.
We are taking guests with us and have other things planned.
If I hear the results I will let everyone know.
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James
Thank You Paul.
James
David Bruce Murray
> David I`m sorry to be so long answering your post,but the four octaves
> below middle C is very,very low, even lower than J.Ds. double low C. My
> questions are, does
> Paul David Kennamer have the capibility of hitting that same note on
> any microphone,
> and is he in the Guinness Book of World Records?
> http://www.neilsonclyne.com/audiotechnica/Valor/Valor.html
> http://www.valormusic.net/anthem.html
The current Guinness Book record holder hits a note so low you can't even
hear it...8 hertz, or so...most humans can't hear anything below 20 hertz. I
believe the current record holder's name is Dan Britton.
That doesn't qualify as singing, IMO...that's just producing a frequency. By
Sumner's standard, you had to be able to pronounce a word so that a listener
could understand it. He said that otherwise, you were just "growling," not
singing. I think a singer should have to meet Sumner's standard on a regular
basis in order to qualify. Obviously, Guinness' requirements are less
severe.
Kennamer can hit very low notes and pronounce words effectively enough on
those low notes that you can understand him...and I assume that since he
records these notes on CD, he can do them in concert as well. As yet, I have
not been to a Valor concert, but I'd love to hear them sometime in the
future.
According to the liner notes of Valor's most recent CD, they don't use any
sort of pitch correction.
Allan
<dbmu...@NOSPAMmusicscribe.com> wrote:
>That doesn't qualify as singing, IMO...that's just producing a frequency. By
>Sumner's standard, you had to be able to pronounce a word so that a listener
>could understand it. He said that otherwise, you were just "growling,"
I've got some songs where his sound is just that - unrecognisable
growling. (Pity they didn't make more albums like "Victory Road".)
dodger
FYI: A quick web search indicates Tim Storms is in the 2006 Guinness
book as hitting the lowest note.
Dodger
David Bruce Murray
> FYI: A quick web search indicates Tim Storms is in the 2006 Guinness
> book as hitting the lowest note.
> Dodger
You're right...I think Britton was the previous record holder. At least I
got the frequency of the so called "note" (8hz) correct. :o)
Here's some info regarding ultra low singing from Wikipedia:
"The advent of the microphone provided singers with a way to extend their
range downward. This is why the lowest notes hit by basses in pop music are
often much lower than any notes called for in classical repetoire. The
lowest notes in opera repetoire are around D2 or C2 (for an example of this
see Cesare Siepi's recording of "Seigneur, rampart et seul soutien" by
Meyerbeer.) However, with amplification baritones, and even some tenors can
reach these tones. To sing even lower some singers combine a technique
called vocal fry or creaky voice, along with amplification to produce notes
well below the normal range of the human voice. Vocal fry is the low
clicking sound that vocal chords produce when pushed below their natural
limit. It is commonly used in gospel quartets and a capella groups. The bass
J.D. Sumner popularized the use of vocal fry in gospel, and he can be heard
in recordings with the Stamps Quartet hitting notes as low as C1. The
current Guinness record holder for the lowest note, Tim Storms, also uses
this technique. Basses that implement this technique are often called
sub-basses.
Notes produced using vocal fry are only effective when using a microphone,
as they have little volume, not unlike whistle notes. Guinness is often
loose with what they categorize as a "note" so extreme vocal technique is
often used to produce notes in a range that the singer could not actually
sing in. Vocal fry and whistle notes are techniques effective in pop music.
However, there is a distinction between these tehcniques and the normal full
voice used by singers in classical repetoire."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocal_range
Now, I personally don't think Sumner used what is being referred to here as
"vocal fry/creaky voice." Sumner's normal speaking voice was very low. I
think he just had uncommonly long vocal cords.
James
DBM wrote: Sumner's normal speaking voice was very low. I
> think he just had uncommonly long vocal cords.
You`re right about that David. When J.D. had surgery on his vocal
chords
in the 1980s, to remove nodes from his vocal chords, his surgeons told
him
his vocal chords were "longer by far than any recorded in medical
history".
J.D. said the doctor "wanted to go in and measure my vocal chords, but
he
never did. (this was taken from the book Homecoming-by Bill Gaither and
Jerry
Jenkins.)
Bassdiesel
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Well, I have been off the group for a while now...and I come back to my
favorite subject...low basses...hello to all!
Britton supplanted J.D. and then Time Storms took it to 8 hertz, but only
captured by specialized equipment.
Paul David Kennamer is very low too...he and Tim Storms used to sing bass
for Vocal Union, an aCappella Gospel group that covered a lot of SGM. They
are fabulous! Britton and Storms used to sing at the show in Branson, MO.
The gospel groups, Acappella and Vocal Union, have always been breeding
grounds for low basses. They have two basses, well one bass and one
sub-bass...Gary Miller has a great, smooth sound and sings the bottom out of
his mike... www.vocalunion.com
Here is the info on Tim:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vocal_range#World_records_and_extremes_of_vocal_range
For consistency in pure Southern Gospel tradition, Tim Riley of Gold City
not only sings near the lowest of the basses today, but he has so much power
in his low notes. As he has gotten older, the age, along with the smoking,
has allowed him to sing in the contra-range....However, after you go lower
than pedal F, the harmonies spread so much, that the freakishly low bass is
good for the novelty of solos or dropping off on a "phantom slide"...never
hitting bottom. But, if I could do it, I would...LOL. I can hit a low Ab
below the staff...of course since I have moved away from my quartet, I
haven't been able to sing any SG stuff...mostly Praise and Worship and choir
specials. Anyone knowing of SG groups near Richmond, KY please let me now!
In Joy!
Bass-ically,
Terry
Bassdiesel
> Since the passing of J.D. Sumner, we have many good low bass singers.
> Who in your opinion is SGMs lowest bass singer?
>
> James
Has anyone ever heard of Mike Bullock? He is proclaimed (on his group's
website) as "Often called the lowest living bass in southern gospel today".
No low range demos on the website...
http://www.themenofmusicquartet.com/bio.html
In Joy!
Terry
James
Welcome back Bass. When you mentioned Mike Bullock-it rang a bell. Yes
I sure do remember him, but forgotten about him being bass singer for
The
Men Of Music. We have a cassette somewhere of him, Buddy Burton, Jimmy
Wesson (I believe Wesson), and Bobby Clark. I forget who sang baritone,
but Mike was very good and I really didn`t know if they were still
together, so thanks for
putting up their URL.
James
Pastor Dan
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> >
>
> Well, I have been off the group for a while now...and I come back to my
> favorite subject...low basses...hello to all!
>
<snip>
Anyone knowing of SG groups near Richmond, KY please let me now!
>
> In Joy!
>
> Bass-ically,
>
> Terry
>
>
>
Welcome back, Terry. Didn't even know there was a Richmond, KY; what part
of the Bluegrass State is it in?
David Bruce Murray
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I think they still do...assuming this link is up to date, you can see the
two lowest bass singers in history on the same show.
http://www.piercearrowtheater.com/
CJB
> Who in your opinion is SGMs lowest bass singer?
>
> James
>
Mike Holcomb.
CJB
Fred
>> "James" <moore...@hotmail.com> wrote in message...
>> > Since the passing of J.D. Sumner, we have many good low bass singers.
>> > Who in your opinion is SGMs lowest bass singer?
>> >
>> > James
>>
>> Has anyone ever heard of Mike Bullock? He is proclaimed (on his group's
>> website) as "Often called the lowest living bass in southern gospel
>> today".
>> No low range demos on the website...>
>>
>
>"James" <moore...@hotmail.com> wrote in message...
> When you mentioned Mike Bullock-it rang a bell. Yes
> I sure do remember him, but forgotten about him being bass singer for
> The
> Men Of Music. We have a cassette somewhere of him, Buddy Burton, Jimmy
> Wesson (I believe Wesson), and Bobby Clark. I forget who sang baritone,
> but Mike was very good and I really didn`t know if they were still
> together, so thanks for
> putting up their URL.
>
> James
The last time I heard Mike Bullock was in Mobile, Alabama at the Frank
Arnold Winterfest. Mike is an extremely low bass singer but I find that
his pronunciation of words is hard to understand when he gets in the extreme
low notes. Also, the control of his volume and balance with the rest of
the group is not the best that I have heard. He tends to overpower the
rest of the group on endings especially.
Don't get me wrong, I think he is and excellent singer and a great guy
but there is always room for improvement in any presentation!
Also, it was announced at the Dave L. Pearce Memorial sing in Oak
Grove, LA that Mike's wife had contracted some form of cancer (I don't
remember what kind). He was going to take some time off from traveling to
be with his wife while she received treatment for the cancer. I haven't
heard anything since then about her condition. If anyone here knows how
they are doing, I would appreciate hearing about them.
Johnny
Bass singer out there. He is very smooth and not growly (if that's the
right word).
I saw Gold City recently and enjoyed their bass singer. He too sang
with The Anchormen at one point. As did Steve Ladd the Tenor for Gold
City.
Bassdiesel
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David Bruce Murray wrote:
> That doesn't qualify as singing, IMO...that's just producing a frequency. By
> Sumner's standard, you had to be able to pronounce a word so that a listener
> could understand it. He said that otherwise, you were just "growling," not
> singing. I think a singer should have to meet Sumner's standard on a regular
> basis in order to qualify. Obviously, Guinness' requirements are less
> severe.
>
> Kennamer can hit very low notes and pronounce words effectively enough on
> those low notes that you can understand him...and I assume that since he
> records these notes on CD, he can do them in concert as well. As yet, I have
> not been to a Valor concert, but I'd love to hear them sometime in the
> future.
>
> According to the liner notes of Valor's most recent CD, they don't use any
> sort of pitch correction.
>
The guy from Valor is phenomenal. He hits a low F on "Old Ship Of
Zion" (it used to be available on their website for download) that does
not sound like vocal fry to me...it is vibrating the walls in my house.
The other guy (Tim Storms) I think is just awful. I dislike being so
aggressive with the commentary, but if you listen to him sing
"normally", he can barely hit the C below the staff. Everything below
that for him is just really well controlled breathing through his vocal
chords, not singing at all.
Having said all that, (and deviating from the OP's intent) I think the
single best bass singer out today is the guy from Gold City. I don't
think I have ever heard him hit anything below a B, but we heard him in
concert with Palmetto State last year, and he has incredible intonation
and "thickness". A true, classic bass. An honorary mention goes to
Chirstian Davis, who has since left the business (He's at Dallas
Theological Seminary), but he was another one who could rock the walls.
Regards,
Steve
David Bruce Murray
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> An honorary mention goes to
> Chirstian Davis, who has since left the business (He's at Dallas
> Theological Seminary), but he was another one who could rock the walls.
You'll be pleased to hear that Davis is back. He is singing with Mercy's
Mark Quartet now.
