Q Magazine - Best Prog Rock Albums of all time!
Slubberdegullion
Mark Rae
Slubberdegullion <baul...@cwcom.net> wrote in message news:36b44...@news1.mcmail.com...
Wolfgang Schwan
Have you ever heard of some greek electronics wizzard called Vangelis?
His soundtracks to "Chariots of Fire" or "1492 - Conquest of Paradise"?
About his collaborations with some guy called Jon Anderson?
Well, he is the mastermind and keyboarder on 666. This *is* one of the greatest Prog
records of all time. It is about the book of revelation (where have I heard that
before?). There is a song on it featuring Irene Papas which clearly is satanic.
Anyway I have been told to stay away from their other releases, because they are
bad, not necessarily evil ;-)
If you only allow one album per group, the Radiohead choice is ok, but I have no
idea about Teardrop Explodes.
Wolfgang
> Slubberdegullion schrieb...
Dan B.
Genesis: Selling England by the Pound
Jethro Tull: A Passion Play
ELP: Trilogy
Pink Floyd: Animals
King Crimson: Starless and Bible Black
Gentle Giant: The Power & The Glory
801: Live
Egg: The Civil Surface
Yes: Relayer
Nektar: Remember the Future
(I definitely do not consider Radiohead prog: more like mopey pop rock--they don't even do odd-times! Teardrop Explodes was good Brit-pop: wacky Julian and the gang.)
Mark Rae wrote:
I have all of the albums mentioned (apart from the Marillion one) and, IMHO, the Radiohead and Teardrop Explodes works are by no means out of place. Have you heard either of them? I would probably not have picked many of them if I had to choose a 12 best prog albums list, but some of the artists would have definitely figured in it. E.g. I would probably have gone for the following (remember, the criterion was prog album, not concept album) in no particular order: Genesis - A Trick of the TailPink Floyd - Wish You Were HereVdGG - Pawn HeartsYes - Tales from Topographic OceansPink Floyd - The WallGenesis - Selling England By The PoundYes - Going For The OneGenesis - The Lamb Lies Down On BroadwayVdGG - GodbluffVdGG - Still LifeGenesis - FoxtrotYes - Close To The Edge
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Mark Rae
http://OurWorld.CompuServe.com/HomePages/MarkRae
Slubberdegullion <baul...@cwcom.net> wrote in message news:36b44...@news1.mcmail.com...Q Magazine had an article this month - with what they thought were the best 12 Prog albums of all time. Here is what they had: Aphrodite's Child - 666 - ( havent heard this one.....hehehehe bet they're a satanic group!!!! - this is a joke do not reply!!!!!!!!)ELP - Brain Salad SurgeryGenesis - The Lamb Lies Down on BroadwayJethro Tull - Thick as a BrickKing Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson KingMarillion - Misplaced ChildhoodThe Moody Blues - On the Threshold of a DreamPink Floyd - Dark Side of the MoonRadiohead - OK ComputerTeardrop Explodes - WilderVDGG - H to He, Who am the only oneYes - The Yes Album My reactions to this were - great the Lamb - get's recognitions as a stunning album....good - but Radiohead??? Teardrop Explodes????...hello? Their comments onthe lamb were: "New York delinquent follows brother into underground cavern where he becomes involved in unorthodox surgical procedures, sex with mythic creatures and anti capitalist burlesques. The Lamb - as one has to call it - is widely seen as Gabriel's album; quirky modernistic and literate; his farwell to progressive rock. But this ignores that fact that every note is by Banks and Rutherford. Great music too, combining typically limpid and fragile prettiness with a gutsiness that didnt seem entirely out of place when punk came along." "Best Tracks: Carpet Crawlers, Back in NYC, Broadway Melody of 1974" "Best Moment : The silly, slapstick guitar beak on Joy of Sex-spoof Counting Out Time" Not bad comments - apart from ignoring Hackett and Collins musical input - also.....the best Moment??????? guitar break in Counting out time?????...ummmmm! What do you think?
Bob Wilber
>
> These would have been my 10 picks--just one person's view--hence the
> many unpopular choices:
>
> Genesis: Selling England by the Pound
> Jethro Tull: A Passion Play
> ELP: Trilogy
> Pink Floyd: Animals
> King Crimson: Starless and Bible Black
> Gentle Giant: The Power & The Glory
> 801: Live
> Egg: The Civil Surface
> Yes: Relayer
> Nektar: Remember the Future
Wow... Good list Dan! Great to see Nektar on your list... That's an
album for the ages, I wore the grooves out of that thing. And to this
day I still don't know anything about them, who they were, where they
went...
For me, not saying these are the BEST by any stretch, just a list of the
10 I've most enjoyed...
Genesis: Selling England
Yes: Close To The Edge
Marillion: Misplaced Childhood
Nektar: Remember the Future
Triumvirate: Spartacus
Genesis: Foxtrot
Gentle Giant: The Power and the Glory
Focus: Focus 3
Queen: Queen II
Rush: Presto
Not in any order, how could they possibly be... I think after 26 or so
years of prog rock listening, you could pick you favorite 50 albums and
just call them "The Best" but I'm not sure anyone could really put them
in a specific order. If, however, I was stuck in the classic "desert
island" scenario, I'd be happy for a while with these 10 (of course I'd
need to fashion a hi-fidelity stereo out of coconuts and palm fronds,
then pedal my makeshift bike like crazy to turn the generator that
miraculously washed ashore....)
>
jrsq...@pop.eugn.uswest.net
Anyway, 666 is a musical interpretation of the Book of Revelation. It is a very bizarre album. Back in college, I played this on my randomly scheduled radio show (I was a fill-in DJ)...the whole album. The station manager was not amused....
It is available on CD...prepare to defy the system.
I am, I am to come, I was, I am, I am to come, I was, I am, I.....
Slubberdegullion wrote:
Q Magazine had an article this month - with what they thought were the best 12 Prog albums of all time. Here is what they had: Aphrodite's Child - 666 - ( havent heard this one.....hehehehe bet they're a satanic group!!!! - this is a joke do not reply!!!!!!!!)ELP - Brain Salad SurgeryGenesis - The Lamb Lies Down on BroadwayJethro Tull - Thick as a BrickKing Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson KingMarillion - Misplaced ChildhoodThe Moody Blues - On the Threshold of a DreamPink Floyd - Dark Side of the MoonRadiohead - OK ComputerTeardrop Explodes - WilderVDGG - H to He, Who am the only oneYes - The Yes Album My reactions to this were - great the Lamb - get's recognitions as a stunning album....good - but Radiohead??? Teardrop Explodes????...hello? Their comments onthe lamb were: "New York delinquent follows brother into underground cavern where he becomes involved in unorthodox surgical procedures, sex with mythic creatures and anti capitalist burlesques. The Lamb - as one has to call it - is widely seen as Gabriel's album; quirky modernistic and literate; his farwell to progressive rock. But this ignores that fact that every note is by Banks and Rutherford. Great music too, combining typically limpid and fragile prettiness with a gutsiness that didnt seem entirely out of place when punk came along." "Best Tracks: Carpet Crawlers, Back in NYC, Broadway Melody of 1974" "Best Moment : The silly, slapstick guitar beak on Joy of Sex-spoof Counting Out Time" Not bad comments - apart from ignoring Hackett and Collins musical input - also.....the best Moment??????? guitar break in Counting out time?????...ummmmm! What do you think?
Dirk Strobach
german fathers and mothers.
Dirk
Wolfgang Schwan schrieb:
> Ok here's a short remark about Aphrodite's child:
>
> Have you ever heard of some greek electronics wizzard called Vangelis?
> His soundtracks to "Chariots of Fire" or "1492 - Conquest of Paradise"?
> About his collaborations with some guy called Jon Anderson?
>
> Well, he is the mastermind and keyboarder on 666. This *is* one of the greatest Prog
> records of all time. It is about the book of revelation (where have I heard that
> before?). There is a song on it featuring Irene Papas which clearly is satanic.
> Anyway I have been told to stay away from their other releases, because they are
> bad, not necessarily evil ;-)
>
> If you only allow one album per group, the Radiohead choice is ok, but I have no
> idea about Teardrop Explodes.
>
> Wolfgang
>
> > Slubberdegullion schrieb...
Mark Rae
(I definitely do not consider Radiohead prog: more like mopey pop rock--they don't even do odd-times! Teardrop Explodes was good Brit-pop: wacky Julian and the gang.)
F.B.
<baul...@cwcom.net> writes:
>My reactions to this were - great the Lamb - get's recognitions as a =
>stunning album....good - but Radiohead???
Radiohead may not be classicly prog, but OKC is as "prog" as half of
the stuff in the Genesis catalog. And it *is* a fantastic album.
Matt P
F.B.
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>These would have been my 10 picks--just one person's view--hence the
>many unpopular choices:
>
>Genesis: Selling England by the Pound
>Jethro Tull: A Passion Play
>ELP: Trilogy
>Pink Floyd: Animals
>King Crimson: Starless and Bible Black
>Gentle Giant: The Power & The Glory
>801: Live
>Egg: The Civil Surface
>Yes: Relayer
>Nektar: Remember the Future
My nominations would be (if one album per band)
Genesis: Selling England
King Crimson: Red
Van Der Graaf: He to He
Yes: The Yes Album
Pink Floyd: Wish You Were Here
Rush: Hemispheres
Can: Ege Bamyasi
Soft Machine: Volume II
Mahavishnu Orchestra: Inner Mounting Flame
Jethro Tull: Thick as a Brick
>
>(I definitely do not consider Radiohead prog: more like mopey pop
>rock--
But why, then, do you include Pink Floyd's Animals? It could also be
described as mopey pop rock, and certainly has no more "prog"
credentials than OK Computer.
OK Computer is absolutely amazing -- you must give it a chance.
Matt P
Mark Rae
that, let's please not return to the "what actually is progressive rock
anyway" debate.
I have no idea what it means apart from the fact that a lot of music I like
is often labelled as it.
Glad you like Radiohead.
The yuppies networking
The vomit the vomit
etc.
F.B. <ltri...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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>In <36b44...@news1.mcmail.com> "Slubberdegullion"
><baul...@cwcom.net> writes:
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>
>>My reactions to this were - great the Lamb - get's recognitions as a =
>>stunning album....good - but Radiohead???
>
Daniel Stuart Wilson
This just isn't true, is it!? What about Hackett, Collins and Gabriel. For example, I thought Gabriel was largely responsible for "Carpet Crawlers". And what about "Back in NYC"?
Does anyone know who wrote what on The Lamb? (I'm talking about the music not the lyrics).
What about the other albums where no individual credit is given on the album notes?
Dan
Slubberdegullion wrote:
Q Magazine had an article this month - with what they thought were the best 12 Prog albums of all time. Here is what they had: Aphrodite's Child - 666 - ( havent heard this one.....hehehehe bet they're a satanic group!!!! - this is a joke do not reply!!!!!!!!)ELP - Brain Salad SurgeryGenesis - The Lamb Lies Down on BroadwayJethro Tull - Thick as a BrickKing Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson KingMarillion - Misplaced ChildhoodThe Moody Blues - On the Threshold of a DreamPink Floyd - Dark Side of the MoonRadiohead - OK ComputerTeardrop Explodes - WilderVDGG - H to He, Who am the only oneYes - The Yes Album My reactions to this were - great the Lamb - get's recognitions as a stunning album....good - but Radiohead??? Teardrop Explodes????...hello? Their comments onthe lamb were: "New York delinquent follows brother into underground cavern where he becomes involved in unorthodox surgical procedures, sex with mythic creatures and anti capitalist burlesques. The Lamb - as one has to call it - is widely seen as Gabriel's album; quirky modernistic and literate; his farwell to progressive rock. But this ignores that fact that every note is by Banks and Rutherford. Great music too, combining typically limpid and fragile prettiness with a gutsiness that didnt seem entirely out of place when punk came along." "Best Tracks: Carpet Crawlers, Back in NYC, Broadway Melody of 1974" "Best Moment : The silly, slapstick guitar beak on Joy of Sex-spoof Counting Out Time" Not bad comments - apart from ignoring Hackett and Collins musical input - also.....the best Moment??????? guitar break in Counting out time?????...ummmmm! What do you think?
Wolfgang Schwan
>More interested is that the singer is DEMIS ROUSOS (???). Well know singer for all
>german fathers and mothers.
>
>Dirk
Hallo Dirk,
Demis Roussos only sang on three songs, namely "Babylon", "The Four Horsemen" and
"Hic Et Nunc", IIRC. His voice is great. I also have some of his dreaded later
offerings on 7" vinyl. I just didn't mention him, because I think he is not that
well known beyond the borders of Germany.
Wolfgang
jf...@forest.drew.edu
>> > Prog albums of all time. Here is what they had:
>>
>> > Aphrodite's Child - 666 - ( havent heard this one.....hehehehe bet they're a
>> > satanic group!!!! - this is a joke do not reply!!!!!!!!)
>> > ELP - Brain Salad Surgery
>> > Genesis - The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway
>> > Jethro Tull - Thick as a Brick
>> > King Crimson - In the Court of the Crimson King
>> > Marillion - Misplaced Childhood
>> > The Moody Blues - On the Threshold of a Dream
>> > Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon
>> > Radiohead - OK Computer
>> > Teardrop Explodes - Wilder
>> > Yes - The Yes Album
Who is VDGG?
Guido Kastner
jf...@forest.drew.edu wrote:
> >> > VDGG - H to He, Who am the only one <---------------
> Who is VDGG?
Van der Graaf Generator
Maybe the name Peter Hammill rings a bell? He was their singer/guitarist
and wrote most of the songs.
Great prog music. H to He was my first VDGG album, great choice by Q
mag.
Guido
Dan B.
Mark Rae wrote:
Aha - so here we have the definitive criterion of what makes progressive rock - doing odd time signatures! How about "Paranoid Android" - parts of that are in 7/8 just like "Cinema Show" - or doesn't that count? I've never encountered a satisfactory definition of the mythical Brit-pop either. Most music journalists (I'm with Frank Zappa on this one!) vaguely bandy names around such as Oasis / Blur / Pulp and then try to find a connection with Squeeze, The Kinks and The Beatles. Brit-pop is a meaningless term, IMO.
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Mark Rae
http://OurWorld.CompuServe.com/HomePages/MarkRae(I definitely do not consider Radiohead prog: more like mopey pop rock--they don't even do odd-times! Teardrop Explodes was good Brit-pop: wacky Julian and the gang.)
Dan B.
wanted to choose only one album from each group and was having a hard
time coming up with 10!) I picked 'Animals' because it is my favorite
Floyd album (and one that holds up extremely well today). 'Dark Side' or
'Wish You Were' are just as valid choices--but aren't as 'eavy!
About Radiohead, I find them too slow-moving and simplistic: 'Animals'
rocks; Radiohead whines. But compared to most of the pop music out there
today, they're pretty good I guess.
F.B. wrote:
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> >These would have been my 10 picks--just one person's view--hence the
> >many unpopular choices:
> >
> >Genesis: Selling England by the Pound
> >Jethro Tull: A Passion Play
> >ELP: Trilogy
> >Pink Floyd: Animals
> >King Crimson: Starless and Bible Black
> >Gentle Giant: The Power & The Glory
> >801: Live
> >Egg: The Civil Surface
> >Yes: Relayer
> >Nektar: Remember the Future
>
> My nominations would be (if one album per band)
>
> Genesis: Selling England
> King Crimson: Red
> Van Der Graaf: He to He
> Yes: The Yes Album
> Pink Floyd: Wish You Were Here
> Rush: Hemispheres
> Can: Ege Bamyasi
> Soft Machine: Volume II
> Mahavishnu Orchestra: Inner Mounting Flame
> Jethro Tull: Thick as a Brick
>
> >
> >(I definitely do not consider Radiohead prog: more like mopey pop
Covenant
Wolfgang Schwan wrote in message ...
>Demis Roussos only sang on three songs, namely "Babylon", "The Four
Horsemen" and
>"Hic Et Nunc", IIRC. His voice is great. I also have some of his dreaded
later
>offerings on 7" vinyl. I just didn't mention him, because I think he is not
that
>well known beyond the borders of Germany.
<Puffing up to Gargantuan size.... Sings in a strange 'castrato warble...>
" Evaier...and evairr... forevair and evair.. you'l beeeeeeeee the
one!!!!!!!! "
>Shudder!!<
Covenant.
A Man With HORRIBLE Memories On His Mind.........
Ųyvind Gjermshus
> Who is VDGG?
Van Der Graaf Generator. A Brithish prog-band that was led by the
genious Peter Hamill. Some of the most amazing progressive rock you
will ever experience.
Np. Marillion-Made Again
--
Ųyvind
Alexis Charlet
Wolfgang Schwan a écrit dans le message ...
>
>Demis Roussos only sang on three songs, namely "Babylon", "The Four
Horsemen" and
>"Hic Et Nunc", IIRC. His voice is great. I also have some of his dreaded
later
>offerings on 7" vinyl. I just didn't mention him, because I think he is not
that
>well known beyond the borders of Germany.
Demis Roussos is very well known in France. He's sometimes called "the
missing link between monkey and man", because he's got really a lot of
hairs.
A running joke about him : "Demis Roussous has lost 200 pounds : he shaved
his chest " (I know it's pathetic but I didn't invent it)
jf...@forest.drew.edu
> rocks; Radiohead whines. But compared to most of the pop music out there
> today, they're pretty good I guess.
I'm surprised you find them slow moving OR simplistic after "Pablo Honey."
OK Computer is one of the best albums I've ever heard...I've seen them
live twice and consider their music to be some of the most prog-like
coming out today. Songs like Paranoid Android, Airbag, Let Down, and
Climbing Up the Walls are pretty darn complex and innovative, IMHO. If
you're judging them based on Creep or Fake Plastic Trees, check out OK
Computer or the newer Airbag EP. They've really grown tremendously over
the course of just three albums.
F.B.
>
>Well, you're right, I don't even really consider Pink Floyd prog. (But
I
>wanted to choose only one album from each group and was having a hard
>time coming up with 10!) I picked 'Animals' because it is my favorite
>Floyd album (and one that holds up extremely well today). 'Dark Side'
or
>'Wish You Were' are just as valid choices--but aren't as 'eavy!
>rocks; Radiohead whines. But compared to most of the pop music out
there
>today, they're pretty good I guess.
I'm just wondering how much Radiohead you've actually heard. When that
awful single "Creep" came out in '93, I consigned Radiohead into the
dust heap with every other whiny, self-loathing Nirvana wannabee act
that was dotting the landscape at the time.
However, in '96, a friend of mine urged me to pick up The Bends, the
album that followed up the one that spawned that Creep song. I got it
and it still stands as one of the best surprises I've ever heard.
Nothing remotely whining about it, it's an excellent, complex,
hard-rocking album.
OK Computer is lusher and more subdued, but I'd hardly call it whiny.
And ranking Radiohead among the best of today's acts is huge praise,
IMO, since I think that the last 5 years or so stands among the best
five year periods in the history of rock music. The sheer quantity of
good albums made in the last 5 years is staggering.
Matt P
Bob Wilber
and watching all the others since.
I don't think I've seen more than one or two albums that I didn't have a
positive response and a nod of the head to. Makes you realize how much
great prog rock has been produced....
Keep it up, it's a great memory generator...
Speaking of memories:
To this day I can guarantee there are dozens of people walking this
planet who, every time they hear a Genesis song, think of me. I was
REALLY obnoxious about the band back in the 70's. Saw the Lamb tour in
very late 74 (don't remember the month, so it might have been very early
75, but it was my Freshman year at Southern Illinois Univ.) and then
immediately went on a crusade to convert all of the heathens who were
listening to Marshall Tucker and Boston. It wasn't pretty. I was known
to bring girls home on the FIRST date and make them listen to all of
Supper's Ready... I must get a note or email or phone call each and
every month from some old friend who brings that up. Even mounted a
single handed letter writing campaign to KSHE radio in St. Louis (using
many many aliases) suggesting that their slogan of "St. Louis'
Progressive Rock Station" would never be valid if they didn't cut out
the Marshall Tucker and play more Genesis. And it worked! Those were
the days....... the blissful ignorance of youth.
BW
jrsq...@pop.eugn.uswest.net
touring in support of TLLDOB before the album was actually released. Now,
THAT must have been a whopper for the fans to swallow.
Is there anybody on the NG that first heard TLLDOB on that tour? What were
your impressions?
Bob Wilber
I heard of the group in late 1973 when my sister, a year older, went to
England for her first year of college. She sent me "Genesis Live" on
cassette (no lyrics, no explanation, just a note saying all we had
thought was "progressive" took a back seat to this band everyone in
England was raving about). I quickly got hooked, caught up on a few
bits of the back catalogue, and thought I was pretty damn ahead of the
curve, since as far as I could tell I was the only human amongst 2
million St. Louisans who had even HEARD of Genesis.
My sister and her new Scottish boyfriend were back by the next winter
when the band finally came to St. Louis. They bought tix the day they
went on sale, front row. I was short of cash (college freshman!) and
bought mine the week of the show- one row behind them!!! I thought, oh
geez, there's not going to be anyone there! WE went there expecting to
hear Selling England, Foxtrot, and Trespass... Bring on the Bat wings,
I figured...
When we drove into downtown St. Louis, turned the corner toward the
theatre, I couldn't believe my eyes, a line completely around the block
(who the hell goes to a concert without tickets?). We entered the
Ambassador Theatre in St. Louis to find the story of The Lamb draped
across every seat (the same as it appears on the inside of the vinyl
album, but here just on slick heavyweight paper - can't believe I lost
this over the years...) We read like fools cramming for a test. But,
still, we were NOT prepared for the show.
I was overwhelmed. Stunned. I sat, like the rest of the 2,000 in the
theatre, in total silence throughout the performance.
For an encore we got a bit of Watcher of the Skies and the full "Musical
Box" treatment, with old man mask and spotlight on PG...
Too cool.
I will NEVER forget that night, it still seems like yesterday.
We rushed out to find The Lamb at the local record stores, had to wait a
week to get it, and then played the grooves out of it.
Now, I'm 42 and still listening....
Bob W. (still saying thanks to my sister Mary)
Rick in Germany
VDGG before joining this ng. So, in the interest of broadening my horizons,
I'm asking any and all VDGG fans to give me some suggestions as to which
VDGG album to start with and where to get it.
Rick
LRossi3940
Dark Side Of The Moon - Pink Floyd
the Lamb Lies Down On Broadway - Genesis
Trilogy - Emerson, Lake & Palmer
Close To The Edge - Yes
2112 - Rush
Electric Ladyland - Jimi Hendrix Experience
Court Of The Crimson King - King Crimson
Aqualung - Jethro Tull
John Barleycorn Must Die - Traffic
Sabbath Bloody Sabbath - Black Sabbath
Freak Out - Frank Zappa And The Mothers
Station To Station - David Bowie
my $ .02
Peace
Bob Wilber
failed to quote the original poster (and I know how annoying that can
be.) Granted, though, my story probably loses a little of it's appeal
the second time around...
Anyway, here we go again:
jrsq...@pop.eugn.uswest.net wrote:
>
> This brings up a somewhat related point. I understand that Genesis started
> touring in support of TLLDOB before the album was actually released. Now,
> THAT must have been a whopper for the fans to swallow.
>
> Is there anybody on the NG that first heard TLLDOB on that tour? What were
> your impressions?
>
And I replied:
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Tadashi Nagasaka
PH).
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In article <796m61$av0$1...@news01.btx.dtag.de>, RSCa...@t-online.de (Rick in
(the) Djeedj
Man (the opening track of Godbluff) is a better way to get into VdGG from
Genesis' standard than Lemmings (the opening track of Pawn Hearts).
But I personally got into them through Vital (their only live album) and
nearly never recovered.
Another great way is to get "I Prophecy Disaster", a compilation that spans
their entire career. Then, with "First Generation", you'll get all the songs
from Pawn Hearts (if you liked Lemmings) and with "Second Generation", all
the songs from Godbluff (if you preferred Arrow)...
Still Life is another excellent choice from then on...
Julien
Tadashi Nagasaka a écrit dans le message
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John L Nugent
> This brings up a somewhat related point. I understand that Genesis started
> touring in support of TLLDOB before the album was actually released. Now,
> THAT must have been a whopper for the fans to swallow.
correct me if I'm wrong, but I've heard something similar about Yes and
Topographic Oceans. All this was just a couple of years before I caught on to
these people :( , so I imagine there was quite a bit of musical indigestion,
as it were
.jln
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Jon Byrne
>Van der Graaf Generator
>
>Maybe the name Peter Hammill rings a bell? He was their singer/guitarist
>and wrote most of the songs.
>Great prog music. H to He was my first VDGG album, great choice by Q
>mag.
Indeed, but also check out _Pawn Hearts_. It has one track, "Man-Erg" that
just knocks me on my ass every time I hear it. Very intense lyrically (some
might see it as melodramatic).
Jonathan Byrne, 3L; WV University College of Law
Album Reviews, Commentary, and More at:
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"I never did see such a terrible thing
As I saw last night on the TV
Maybe if we're lucky they'll show it again
Such a terrible thing to see"
-"Domino", Genesis
FC
report:
The Lamb story was Gabriel's idea and he insisted on writing all the lyrics.
In the end, he had trouble finishing and the other members helped out on The
Light Dies Down and a few others. Hackett in particular was pissed that
after they had laid down the music tracks, Gabriel would come in and sing
over parts that were intended to be instrumental (e.g. the beginning of
Carpet Crawlers, which on "Seconds Out" is played with the first verse
instrumental).
As for the music, Gabriel's principal contributions were "Chamber of 32
Doors" and "Counting Out Time", although, as with most Genesis compositions,
there were other "bits" of his woven into other pieces (e.g. Willow Farm in
Supper's Ready).
=fc=
Daniel Stuart Wilson wrote in message <36B506AA...@mcmail.com>...
BRADLEYDSM
DWhite3971
1. Pawn Hearts
2. Still Life
3. Godbluff
4. H to He...
I think this is the "essential" list, their other albums don`t quite make the
grade IMO.
Dave.
Alan Hanley
Wolfgang Schwan wrote in message ...
>
>Have you ever heard of some greek electronics wizzard called Vangelis?
>His soundtracks to "Chariots of Fire" or "1492 - Conquest of Paradise"?
>About his collaborations with some guy called Jon Anderson?
And Blade Runner... a really great movie. The pinnacle of moody science
fiction. Aahh...
All the best,
Alan.
(the) Djeedj
Wilbert Herzog a écrit dans le message <36BA296A...@gmx.net>...
>I never would buy one of their 2 samplers on cd, because you can´t "sample"
a
>group like VDGG, so it´s better to buy the original LP´s (or the CD if it´s
on
>the market) and then start thinking about listening to Peter Hammill as
well.
If so, you'll miss Refugees (never released on CD, single A-side, different
from the original), The Boat of Millions of Years (never released on CD,
B-side of Refugees), W (never released on CD, B-side of Theme One) and Ship
of Fools (complete studio version, never released, edited version was B-side
of Cat's Eye/Yellow Fever (Running)).
So you'll miss these gems if you don't get "I Prophecy Disaster", the
compilation from the Virgin Universal series. Just a shame they chose to put
the medley of "A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers" and "Sleepwalkers" from the
live album Vital, instead of yet-another-never-released-on-CD "Sci-Finance"
from the same album. The (much) later studio version on PH's "In a Foreign
Town" and on the live "There Goes the Daylight" are OK, but he chose to
reshuffle the lyrics instead of keeping the original.
My wish is to get my hands on a complete, 2-cd set of Vital to complete my
VdGG collection. Until then, I keep my vinyl.
From "First Generation", you'll miss "Theme One" (never released on CD,
single A-side).
Now, if you're a completist, you NEED those two. And if you get those two
first, then, there's no need to buy "Pawn Hearts" because all three songs
from that record are on these two anthologies. ("Lemmings" on "I Prophecy
Disaster", "A Plague of Lighthouse Keepers" and "Man-Erg" on "First
Generation")
So. Do you really need "Second Generation"? Why not? You'll have a taste of
the best 1975-78 era of VdGG, AND you'll have all the songs from "Godbluff"
("The Undercover Man", "Scorched Earth" and "Sleepwalkers" being all on
"Second Generation", the missing one, "Arrow" on "I Prophecy Disaster")
Confused?
Then start with I Prophecy Disaster. You'll get a taste of the best of their
whole career, and it'll guide you on later choices, but it is a compilation.
With lots of fun stuff on it. You'll end up buying it anyways... believe me.
Julien
(the) Djeedj
DWhite3971 a écrit dans le message
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Still, if the reference is Genesis, then Pawn Hearts might scare at times.
The mansion on the inner sleeve is the actual place where Peter Gabriel's
wife Jill became "possessed" one night, inspiring PG to write the lyrics of
"Supper's Ready".
This might be an incentive.
Oh, another one: King Crimson's Robert Fripp plays guitar on Pawn Hearts.
But I still prefer Godbluff...
Heck, it's like having to choose between Foxtrot and A Trick of the Tail.
Julien.
Wilbert Herzog
Rick in Germany wrote:
> Gotta be honest here (well, it *is* the best policy), I've never heard of
> VDGG before joining this ng. So, in the interest of broadening my horizons,
> I'm asking any and all VDGG fans to give me some suggestions as to which
> VDGG album to start with and where to get it.
Hi !
As VDGG were always never very hard to please, there is no special
"Beginners"-Album of the group. "Aerosol" was beautiful (with "Afterwards"),
"Still life" is my personal favorite, but "He..." and "Godbluff" are also great
stuff and must -haves. The Live-DoLp "Vital" is probably the best never
overdubbed rough live album of all times.
I never would buy one of their 2 samplers on cd, because you can愒 "sample" a
group like VDGG, so it愀 better to buy the original LP愀 (or the CD if it愀 on
the market) and then start thinking about listening to Peter Hammill as well.
Macrush
Covenant
Alan Hanley wrote in message <79d7t9$6ur$1...@scotty.tinet.ie>...
>Wolfgang Schwan wrote in message ...
>>His soundtracks to "Chariots of Fire" or "1492 - Conquest of Paradise"?
>>About his collaborations with some guy called Jon Anderson?
>And Blade Runner... a really great movie. The pinnacle of moody science
>fiction. Aahh...
I find Bladerunner to be kinda dull. (Unfortunately... The music works well
in the movie but not on it's own.) Other than the SUPERB credits music and
the Love Theme....
IIRC the version of the Title tune is different on the Themes album than on
the Bladerunner album itself....
BUT if you want CLASSIC Vangelis then try ALBEDO 0.39
Listen to it in a totally darkened room. Eyes closed with yourself in the
centre of the speakers....
Seriously... the last notes fly away from you!!!
(Who needs holophonics!!!)
Covenant.
A Man With Far Too Many Boots On His Hands Now Thanks To Erian, (Who Now
Must Get My Vote For King..(But You Don't VOTE For Kings!!), And Who Will
Have To Wait A Little While Longer Before I Can Reciprocate.......('Cos I'll
Be In Canada!!)
Mark Rae
Hearts, Godbluff or Still Life.
Or, for that matter, Nadir's Big Chance, Over, Silent Corner or Sitting
Targets.
Did anyone here see the VdGG Reunion at the Union Chapel in London a while
back? Some night!
There is a lofty, lonely Lohengrinic castle in the clouds
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>Wilbert Herzog a écrit dans le message <36BA296A...@gmx.net>...
>>I never would buy one of their 2 samplers on cd, because you can´t
"sample"
>a
>>group like VDGG, so it´s better to buy the original LP´s (or the CD if
it´s
>on
>>the market) and then start thinking about listening to Peter Hammill as
>well.
>
>
jbeh...@gmail.com
> In <36b44...@news1.mcmail.com> "Slubberdegullion"
> <baul...@cwcom.net> writes:
>
>
> >My reactions to this were - great the Lamb - get's recognitions as a =
> >stunning album....good - but Radiohead???
>
> Radiohead may not be classicly prog, but OKC is as "prog" as half of
> the stuff in the Genesis catalog. And it *is* a fantastic album.
>
>
> Matt P
Except that Genesis stopped being prog in the 80's...
john