Lenny Bruce, declares a truce
CTJDavies
programmes is showing a film tonight called Lenny with Dustin Hoffmann about
the comedian Lenny Bruce, who killed himself on drugs in the mid sixties - I
didn't know about any Lenny Bruce, but the line now makes sense:
'Lenny Bruce, declares a truce and playes his other hand'
So who is -or was- Marshall McLuhan (casual viewin) and Caryl Chessman (sniffs
the air) ???
I guess Groucho (with his movies trailing) must be Marx of Marx Bros fame. I'm
not sure if I'll watch the movie - we'll see. The film was nominated for six
(!) Oscars but didn't get even one.
Michael Poloukhine
http://lab.dce.harvard.edu/extension/humae105/Authors/mcluhan.htm
http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/9/0,5716,51029+1+49819,00.html?query=mcluhan
"Herbert Marshall McLuhan was a visionary educator of mass media. "The medium is
the message", perhaps his most often quoted phrase, was one of many of
his many advanced perceptions. In media, he studied both their overriding effects
on society and their character as extensions of the senses of the individual. He
was
born July 21, 1911 in Edmonton, Alberta Canada of Scottish-Irish heritage."
("Casual viewing" -- get it?)
As for Caryl Chessman:
An American criminal whose writings during 12 years on death row made him the
symbol of an enduring controversy over capital punishment.
http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/0/0,5716,24250+1+23879,00.html?query=caryl%20chessman
“I learned too late and only after coming to Death Row that each of us ever must
be aware of the brotherhood of man . . . . Circumstances may compel us to become
our brother’s keeper; I think we destroy something in ourselves when we become his
executioner.”
Caryl Chessman executed in 1960 at the San Quentin, California, gas chamber
("sniffs the air" --- get it?)
I re-iterate my belief that *no-one* wrote lyrics with as much multi-layered
depth, meaning and "lyricality" as out own PG, (Paul Simon exclued)
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Michael Poloukhine
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Scott Maccio
After I had found out who Chessman was those lines always gave me a chill.
Scott
Michael Poloukhine
cyanide wand always struck me too:
"Bitter almonds, as inedible as peach kernels, contain about 50 percent of a
fixed oil
that also occurs in the sweet almond, together with an enzyme called emulsin,
which
in the presence of water yields glucose, prussic (hydrocyanic) acid, and the
essential
oil of bitter almonds called benzaldehyde."
The peach is in the same family (Prunus) as the cassava and the almond...
and hydrocyanic acid, (hydrogen cyanide mixed with water in gaseous form), of
course is the gas they used in San Quentin...
brrrr.
Scott Maccio wrote:
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Tim Boniface
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>This should give you all you ever want to know about Marshal McLuhan:
>http://lab.dce.harvard.edu/extension/humae105/Authors/mcluhan.htm
>http://www.britannica.com/bcom/eb/article/9/0,5716,51029+1+49819,00.html?qu
ery=mcluhan
>
>"Herbert Marshall McLuhan was a visionary educator of mass media. "The
medium is
>the message", perhaps his most often quoted phrase, was one of many of
>his many advanced perceptions. In media, he studied both their overriding
effects
>on society and their character as extensions of the senses of the
individual. He
>was
>born July 21, 1911 in Edmonton, Alberta Canada of Scottish-Irish heritage."
>
>("Casual viewing" -- get it?)
>
I recently heard on a Toronto radio station (CFNY) that 54-40, a Vancouver
based band has an new album out called Casual Viewing and that they were
originally going to call it Marshall McLuhan Casual Viewing but decided to
shorten the name because they figured no one would know who McLuhan was. I
immediately recognized the line from The Lamb and sent an e-mail to the DJ
(Alan Cross) to bring this fact to his attention. He wasn't aware of the
connection. The song "Casual Viewing" makes no mention of McLuhan by the
way.
Tim Boniface
"There are three types of people in the world. Those who are good at math
and those who aren't."
CTJDavies
>depth, meaning and "lyricality" as out own PG, (Paul Simon exclued)
>
>
Broadway Melody of 1974 must be one of the best (the titel leaned on the title
of some hollywood movie, I believe). Thanks for the input - great links.
CTJDavies
posing as a policeman in a car with a red spotlight, had robbed couples in Los
Angeles' lovers' lanes; twice the bandit had kidnapped women and forced them at
gunpoint to commit acts of "sexual perversion."
>As for Caryl Chessman:
>An American criminal whose writings during 12 years on death row made him the
>symbol of an enduring controversy over capital punishment.
Hoping this is not too far fetched; the cheerleader is one of the victims.
But then why the switch to 30's bootlegging;
'in a scent (in-no-cent), you can bottle all you've made'?
and why is Marshall McLuhan's head buried in the sand? (Hoping I'm not coming
through as a complete idiot)
David M. Taylor
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> and why is Marshall McLuhan's head buried in the sand? (Hoping I'm not
coming
> through as a complete idiot)
>
I'm not sure, but maybe it has something to do with ostriches having
feelings?
(See Lamb liner notes.)
--
Dave
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/8415/homepage.html
"Like a fool in a pool, I'm incredibly cool." -- Genesis, 1972
Scott Maccio
>'in a scent (in-no-cent), you can bottle all you've made'?
I always thought I was missing something when it came to the "you can bottle
all you've made" line.
>and why is Marshall McLuhan's head buried in the sand? (Hoping I'm not coming
>through as a complete idiot)
I've always wondered if Peter agreed or disagreed with Marshall, but I think
most likely the song is filled with oddities and paradoxes...the KKK wouldn't
be serving hot soul food, and MM wouldn't be burying his head in the sand.
Scott
Dave B.
don't know for sure.. Wasn't he some Canadian guy - yeah I have him pictured in
'Glenn Gould - Music and Mind' - they were both Canadian. Glenn Gould was a
renowned pianist...Anyway...
Didn't McLuhan make prophecies on the future of television - there is a famous
quote by him, but I have forgotten it!!
Dave B.
My Genesis reviews & more:
http://hometown.aol.com/DBel450920/genesis.html
Michael Poloukhine
As ScottM points out, the paradoxs abound in those lyrics, so I am sure the
head in the sand is one of them.
Never knew one of the Red Light Bandits' victims was a cheerleader...
definitely not a coincidence in the lyrics.
Learn more every day! PG's lyrics *never* cease to intrigue!
> I'm not sure, but maybe it has something to do with ostriches having
> feelings?
>
> (See Lamb liner notes.)
>
> --
> Dave
> http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/8415/homepage.html
> "Like a fool in a pool, I'm incredibly cool." -- Genesis, 1972
--
Han Hefting
http://www.altavista.com/cgi-bin/query?pg=q&what=web&fmt=&q=Marshall+McLuhan
and be surprised.
Searching for Chessman is a little more difficult. Altavista leads you to
the book "Beyond a Reasonable Doubt?" by William M. Kunstler. Interesting
lead I'd say.
Caryl Chessman was sentenced and actually put to death somewhere in the
early seventies. I remember a photograph in the newspapers on which Chessman
was the first man in a party walking towards the executionplace (he leads
the parade...)
Han Hefting
Thanks for having me Think!
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Greg Pendleton
ctjd...@aol.com (CTJDavies) wrote:
> While looking through our tv guide this lunchtime I noticed that one
of the
> programmes is showing a film tonight called Lenny with Dustin
Hoffmann about
> the comedian Lenny Bruce, who killed himself on drugs in the mid
sixties - I
> didn't know about any Lenny Bruce, but the line now makes sense:
>
> 'Lenny Bruce, declares a truce and playes his other hand'
>
> So who is -or was- Marshall McLuhan (casual viewin) and Caryl
Chessman (sniffs
> the air) ???
>
> I guess Groucho (with his movies trailing) must be Marx of Marx Bros
fame. I'm
> not sure if I'll watch the movie - we'll see. The film was nominated
for six
> (!) Oscars but didn't get even one.
>
check out Scott McMahon's "Genesis Discography." It has a pretty
interesting interpretation of The Lamb. You can access it via The
Path.
By the way, don't you miss lyrics like these? That's one of the many
reasons why Genesis were never the same after 1975.
Greg
--
"There's no one left alive, it must be a draw."
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Before you buy.
Greg Pendleton
scott...@aol.comspamfree (Scott Maccio) wrote:
> >As for Caryl Chessman:
>
> After I had found out who Chessman was those lines always gave me a
chill.
>
> Scott
>
made" is - or at least there is one such interpretation as such - a
play on the word "innocent" (in-a-scent) as in, he may have actually
been innocent. Interesting...
Ellsworth Hall
chamber
There was a TV-movie some years ago starring Alan Alda as Chessman. It was
pretty good as I remember.
- Ells
http://www.ellsmusic.net
Scott Maccio
>made" is - or at least there is one such interpretation as such - a
>play on the word "innocent" (in-a-scent) as in, he may have actually
>been innocent. Interesting...
The innocent part I gather, (I love the way he almost yells the word) it's the
bottling that I'm not so sure of.
Scott
Michael Poloukhine
perfume. It also implies "packaging" of "all you've made" (mortal flesh), as in
"life-less packaging"... "in a scent", I always thought was a direct reference to
the "scent of bitter almond", so, while maybe a play on words for "innocent" it
was also a direct reference to Chessman's particular method of death, of his final
"packaging"...
loaded lyrics, huh?
Scott Maccio wrote:
> >I believe the line: "He knows in a scent you can bottle all you've
> >made" is - or at least there is one such interpretation as such - a
> >play on the word "innocent" (in-a-scent) as in, he may have actually
> >been innocent. Interesting...
>
> The innocent part I gather, (I love the way he almost yells the word) it's the
> bottling that I'm not so sure of.
>
> Scott
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> In article <20001014091311...@ng-bd1.aol.com>,
>
> By the way, don't you miss lyrics like these? That's one of the many
> reasons why Genesis were never the same after 1975.
Oh yes I miss them lots.........that and the expression of musical joy that
they used to be so proud of.
I guess the compensation has been PG's first four solo albums - musically
and lyrically a wonderful statement from a genius - and Hacketts ability to
express himself as a musician in his solo work too. Look at the output they
have produced since leaving - versus the Genesis output and it just makes
you miss them all together even more.............sniffle
--
Slubberdegullion
"They say she comes on a pale train.................
................But I'm sure I hear a horse........"
Slubberdegullion
year..................heheheheh apart from the killfest of G2!!!!!!!!
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Slubberdegullion
"They say she comes on a pale train.................
................But I'm sure I hear a horse........"
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