Phil and "Burning Rope"
Drew1701E
"Burning Rope ... I read in 'Modern Drummer' where Phil said this song (i.e.,
songs LIKE this song) is why heleft the band - I'd have to agree."
Is that true? Did Phil say that he left Genesis "because of songs like
'Burning Rope'"? Did Phil really hold a grudge against Genesis music as far
back as 1978? Hope someone can clarify this one...
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"If you don't stand up, you don't stand a chance."
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John L Nugent
> Phil was played the song at the interview as an example of how interesting
> his drumming was on it, and he shook his head and said that songs like
> "Burning Rope" were why he left. He also said that the reason he did so many
> fills were to try and make the song interesting.
which leaves the question of Phil's participation in certain other wonderful
little numbers
.jln
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Pac...@webtv.net
nonsense?
Phil decided that after 25 years, he had done all the music with Genesis
that he wanted to do, and he wanted to devote more of his time to his
solo career. Thankfully, his decision had nothing to do with Tony &
Mike, as he is still best of friends with both of them... :-)
Pacidy
jf...@forest.drew.edu
Um, did he say what about Burning Rope he didn't like? I'm kind of
curious, I always considered it to be one of the best songs on the album...
Chris&Dean
>Someone wrote:
>
>"Burning Rope ... I read in 'Modern Drummer' where Phil said this song
(i.e.,
>songs LIKE this song) is why heleft the band - I'd have to agree."
>
>Is that true?
Alas, yes.
Phil was played the song at the interview as an example of how interesting
his drumming was on it, and he shook his head and said that songs like
"Burning Rope" were why he left. He also said that the reason he did so many
fills were to try and make the song interesting.
Soooooo......can we twist lines of logic here, people, and say that any G
song with cool drums on it were songs that Phil thought sucked? Hmmmm....
C
Chris&Dean
<22394-36...@newsd-123.bryant.webtv.net>...
The latter may be true, but unfortunately, so is the former. A friend of
mine has the actual interview - Phil was quoted. Maybe it was taken slightly
out of context, but...well...
C
Blair Bowers
(something like that ) magazine a few months ago. Phil did also say that he
felt Tony would see the quote and probably not be pleased.
Chris&Dean wrote in message <74id1i$rde$1...@newsource.ihug.co.nz>...
BoB
Blair Bowers wrote in message <74ieer$fpg$1...@east42.supernews.com>...
>The interview that this quote was taken from was in Modern Drummer
>(something like that ) magazine a few months ago. Phil did also say that he
>felt Tony would see the quote and probably not be pleased.
Never mind Tony not being pleased.
*I'm* not very pleased. I consider Burning Rope to be *one* of my favourite
G songs. Mr C never ceases to amaze me.
BoB
Robert Martin
Quoting directly from the interview this is what Phil said, "It's a
cruel thing to say, but it's a song like this that made me leave
Genesis. Tony Banks will never speak to me again after this is
published, this is one his songs, but to me this song is a period piece.
It doesn't make it in the twentieth century. I know there are people who
like this music, but I couldn't get up on stage and play or sing this
kind of material anymore." This quote makes you think twice about all
the reunion talk. The interview is a couple years old and maybe he's
changed his mind since then, at least about "playing" this music anyway.
Although I doubt they would do Burning Rope, 20 years later it hasn't
held up very well, imo.
hih
gpen...@my-dejanews.com
reading through a copy of Modern Drummer and Phil was asked about his drum
technique on various songs. Burning Rope was one of the songs mentioned and
(I swear!) he made this statement. I wouldn't get hung up on this as being
the sole reason he left the band (lighten up!) but it's no secret that Phil
is not a big fan of the "grandiose", heavy keyboard-sounding Genesis of old.
Nor am I, for that matter. My name is Greg, by the way. I'll habve to change
my e-mail name so as not to be so anonymous.
In article <19981207182358...@ng-fa2.aol.com>,
drew...@aol.com (Drew1701E) wrote:
> Someone wrote:
>
> "Burning Rope ... I read in 'Modern Drummer' where Phil said this song (i.e.,
> songs LIKE this song) is why heleft the band - I'd have to agree."
>
> Is that true? Did Phil say that he left Genesis "because of songs like
> 'Burning Rope'"? Did Phil really hold a grudge against Genesis music as far
> back as 1978? Hope someone can clarify this one...
>
> /\ D R E W /\
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> "If you don't stand up, you don't stand a chance."
> ~Genesis, "Squonk" (1976)
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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BRADLEYDSM
1996.
Theory: Song is so bad that it gives singer/drummer amnesia for 18 years.
joel c marckx
: Quoting directly from the interview this is what Phil said, "It's a
: cruel thing to say, but it's a song like this that made me leave
: Genesis. Tony Banks will never speak to me again after this is
: published, this is one his songs, but to me this song is a period piece.
: It doesn't make it in the twentieth century. I know there are people who
: like this music, but I couldn't get up on stage and play or sing this
: kind of material anymore."
But apparantly "In too Deep", "Hold on My Heart", & "Jesus He Knows Me" are
all better songs? Sorry, I just don't get it!
joel
Gary Best
globalnet.co.uk> writes
>
>Never mind Tony not being pleased.
>
>*I'm* not very pleased. I consider Burning Rope to be *one* of my favourite
>G songs. Mr C never ceases to amaze me.
>
>BoB
>
"That's as maybe, I don't know"
*The* worst lyric in Genesis' history and always kills the song for me.
Phil never sounded like he enjoyed singing it live and I personally
don't like listening to it.
Obviously this is where Bob comes into the pub on Friday singing Burning
Rope...
Cheers
Gary
--
I think I'm apathetic,
but I can't be bothered to find out
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LMDARLING
In article <74ieer$fpg$1...@east42.supernews.com>, "Blair Bowers"
<bl...@bconnex.net> writes:
>The interview that this quote was taken from was in Modern Drummer
>(something like that ) magazine a few months ago. Phil did also say that he
>felt Tony would see the quote and probably not be pleased.
>
Of course, people who've actually read the entire, rather lengthy, interview
saw that there are other songs from throughout the entire Genesis canon that
Phil loves, and lots of quotes that Tony (and Mike, and Peter, for that matter)
would probably be more than pleased with. :-)
Of course, we all know that Mike, Tony, and Peter absolutely adore every song
they've ever been associated with (Tony's comments about the Firth of Fifth
lyrics come to mind rather quickly, Mike's statements about how some of the
music from the older days has held up well, but the lyrics are somewhat dated,
and we all know that Peter feels that every note he sang back in the 70's is
beyond revision and editing <VBG>!
Modern Drummer is a pretty widely distributed magazine -- most libraries carry
back issues, should anyone want to make the effort to read the entire article
for themselves and form their own conclusions.
sc...@softbase.com
> "That's as maybe, I don't know"
> *The* worst lyric in Genesis' history and always kills the song for me.
You mean "but whereas" in Heathhaze is better? :) Or "the badge
on his waistcoat shone in the sun" is better? :)
Scott
PS: Why would Tony read Modern Drummer?
Blair Bowers
itself, I can't help but think back to my "introduction" to Genesis. It was
a tape of songs compiled from ATTWT, Duke and Abacab that a friend made for
me. I then went out and bought the albums (remember those?), bought Seconds
Out, bought all of the earlier stuff, started to search out boots...........
What I recall most was Burning Rope being a song that I liked then and still
do. I'm sure Phil has his own creative reasons for not caring for it and
Tony has his for thinking it's good stuff, but for me, a simple fan, it's a
great "Genesis" song that I think would have been a powerful piece to have
seen performed live.
BRADLEYDSM wrote in message <19981208025554...@ng07.aol.com>...
John L Nugent
> What I recall most was Burning Rope being a song that I liked then and still
> do. I'm sure Phil has his own creative reasons for not caring for it and
> Tony has his for thinking it's good stuff, but for me, a simple fan, it's a
> great "Genesis" song that I think would have been a powerful piece to have
> seen performed live.
>
Amen, brother! ATTWT was my introduction to live Genesis, and it most
certainly was a great live tune. And as for the argument that "That's
as maybe, I don't know" ranks as the worst G lyric of all time, sounds
to me like somebody has been smoking hogweed.
.jln
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DotheNeurotic
BRADLEYDSM wrote in message <19981208025554...@ng07.aol.com>...
>Hmmm. Burning Rope released in 1978. Cited as a reason for Phil leaving
in
>1996.
>Theory: Song is so bad that it gives singer/drummer amnesia for 18 years.
LOL!!!
Well - some time ago in this very newsgroup - someone accused this song of
being "metal" - which put ME right off it!
But seriously - give Phil a break - his heart's not been with the Genesis
most of us love - for some time - and who could really sing "undinal songs"
for 25 years and mean it?
Personally I would Love to hear Ray - sing Burning Rope!!!!!!!!!!!! Now
flame me!!!!!!!!!!!!
He gave the band a lot of good stuff - wish him well - and lets hope Ray and
the guy's get a good album out next year. We havent yet had an album with
Ray contributing music and words for the whole recording - so let's see!
Alternatively.............there's always the reunion rumours - now that's
fun!!!!!!!
BoB
Gary Best wrote in message ...
>In article <74ih8r$hc1$6...@newnews.global.net.uk>, BoB <bob@no_spam_maich.
>globalnet.co.uk> writes
>Obviously this is where Bob comes into the pub on Friday singing Burning
>Rope...
Yep I've been hired by the manager to clear the pub. Obviously my efforts
to be the new lead singer for ReGenesis fell on deaf ears (which is the bets
place for my singing) ;-)
>
>Cheers
>
>Gary
>
>--
>I think I'm apathetic,
>but I can't be bothered to find out
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joel c marckx
: Amen, brother! ATTWT was my introduction to live Genesis, and it most
: certainly was a great live tune. And as for the argument that "That's
: as maybe, I don't know" ranks as the worst G lyric of all time, sounds
: to me like somebody has been smoking hogweed.
No, I'm sorry, but the worst Genesis lyric comes from Mike in the form of
"Late at night when you call my name, the only sound you'll hear, is the
sound of your voice calling, calling out to me". I still cringe when I hear
it. Sounds like they just needed ONE more line to finish the damned song
and couldn't think of anything good to fill the void.
joel
Mark Rae
Methinks we've been here before...
"Throw some bread to the ducks instead,
It's easier that way"
"Subway sounds, the sounds of complaint
The smell of acid on his gun of paint"
"Was it you or was it me?"
"Fang son of Great Fang"
Mark Rae
http://OurWorld.CompuServe.com/HomePages/MarkRae
Gary Best wrote in message ...
>"That's as maybe, I don't know"
>
HRMMGY
have made it a great song--like he did with Fof F----then Phil would not have
had to worry about drumming so much to keep the song interesting--Steve could
have done that---MM
gpen...@my-dejanews.com
put it. The article - as a few have already confirmed - is legit. Come on,
it's no secret that Phil had a dislike for the Burning Rope-type songs with
heavy keyboard fills, etc... He also said he couldn't stand singing words and
phrases likes "bread bin" and "undinal" either - that he "couldn't get behind
them". My guess is that's part of the reason we heard instrumental versions
of Firth of Fifth during the Mama and We Can't Dance tours - who knows?
In article <74id1i$rde$1...@newsource.ihug.co.nz>,
"Chris&Dean" <lic...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
> >Pac...@webtv.net wrote in message
> <22394-36...@newsd-123.bryant.webtv.net>...
> >Songs like "Burning Rope" caused Phil to leave Genesis? Who posted THAT
> >nonsense?
> >
> >Phil decided that after 25 years, he had done all the music with Genesis
> >that he wanted to do, and he wanted to devote more of his time to his
> >solo career. Thankfully, his decision had nothing to do with Tony &
> >Mike, as he is still best of friends with both of them... :-)
>
> The latter may be true, but unfortunately, so is the former. A friend of
> mine has the actual interview - Phil was quoted. Maybe it was taken slightly
> out of context, but...well...
>
> C
>
>
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gpen...@my-dejanews.com
either way, though. They performed it only during the ATTWT tour of 1978. I
saw them perform it and - from what I remember - I loved it. But, I'm
certainly not listening to Burning Rope today. It doesn't hold up at all.
Most of that album doesn't hold up well for that matter. The band actually
played nothing from it during the Abacab tour, interestingly enough. Hey, we
have almost 30 years worth of the band's music to enjoy. We're all not going
to like the same things...right? I'll take Back in NYC, Epping Forest, Grand
Parade and Get 'Em Out by Friday - you can have Burning Rope, Cul de Sac,
Domino and Fading Lights!
Cheers!
Greg
In article <22394-36...@newsd-123.bryant.webtv.net>,
handi...@webtv.net (Robert Martin) wrote:
> Hello,
> Quoting directly from the interview this is what Phil said, "It's a
> cruel thing to say, but it's a song like this that made me leave
> Genesis. Tony Banks will never speak to me again after this is
> published, this is one his songs, but to me this song is a period piece.
> It doesn't make it in the twentieth century. I know there are people who
> like this music, but I couldn't get up on stage and play or sing this
> kind of material anymore." This quote makes you think twice about all
> the reunion talk. The interview is a couple years old and maybe he's
> changed his mind since then, at least about "playing" this music anyway.
> Although I doubt they would do Burning Rope, 20 years later it hasn't
> held up very well, imo.
>
> hih
>
>
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Nico Kevin Bracht
> Having read all of the above messages and then just thinking about the song
> itself, I can't help but think back to my "introduction" to Genesis. It was
> a tape of songs compiled from ATTWT, Duke and Abacab that a friend made for
> me. I then went out and bought the albums (remember those?), bought Seconds
> Out, bought all of the earlier stuff, started to search out boots...........
> What I recall most was Burning Rope being a song that I liked then and still
> do. I'm sure Phil has his own creative reasons for not caring for it and
> Tony has his for thinking it's good stuff, but for me, a simple fan, it's a
> great "Genesis" song that I think would have been a powerful piece to have
> seen performed live.
>
>
>
>
You are so RIGHT about that!
But who realy cares what PC thinks about the stuff he recorded
with Genesis. If you like a song it´s perfectly fine. By the way
all of the longer pieces (from PG till RW) are favorites of mine.
BURNING ROPE would have been a strong live number and is a very
good song!
>
>
>
joel c marckx
talking about songs from that album for the next tour, I'd rather hear Down
& Out, or Deep in the Motherlode.
Which brings me to this...
Genesis has never really changed their setlists during a tour, and I wonder
if it might be beneficial for them to do so. They could play the same new
songs nightly to promote them, but change the 8 or so older songs every
night so they don't get bored with them, and we might hear a *FULL* version
of some of our favorite songs. That way we might have a fighting chance of
hearing Burning Rope, or Behind the Lines, or Eleventh Earl of Mar, or
whatever. I can't believe that they would rather play Home by the Sea every
night for the fifth straight tour, than to mix it up a bit.
Just my .02
joel
gpen...@my-dejanews.com
the same old songs. I love the songs on "Seconds Out", but did we need to
hear a medley of "Volcano" plus all of side two again during the WCD tour and
subsequent live album? I've seen and heard Genesis play all the songs you
mention in their entirety and they're all great live songs. "Earl of Mar"
recalls a special memory as it was the opening song in the first Genesis
concert (first concert period, for that matter!) that I ever saw: 1978's
ATTWT show. It would be nice to hear some of them again.
In article <01be238b$b86f97e0$ef399fcf@jcmhw>,
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Amit Raam
>Gary Best (ga...@congo.demon.co.uk) wrote:
>
>> "That's as maybe, I don't know"
>
>> *The* worst lyric in Genesis' history and always kills the song for me.
>
>You mean "but whereas" in Heathhaze is better? :) Or "the badge
>on his waistcoat shone in the sun" is better? :)
>
>Scott
>
>PS: Why would Tony read Modern Drummer?
Ballad Of Big is G's worst ever. ATTWT has lots of bad lyrics. Too
bad, since half the songs are really very,very good (music).
Me
Amit Raam
>
>: Quoting directly from the interview this is what Phil said, "It's a
>: cruel thing to say, but it's a song like this that made me leave
>: Genesis. Tony Banks will never speak to me again after this is
>: published, this is one his songs, but to me this song is a period piece.
>: It doesn't make it in the twentieth century. I know there are people who
>: like this music, but I couldn't get up on stage and play or sing this
>: kind of material anymore."
>
>But apparantly "In too Deep", "Hold on My Heart", & "Jesus He Knows Me" are
>all better songs? Sorry, I just don't get it!
>
>joel
Damn, how come whenever someone wants an example for a bad G song he
picks HOMH ?!? Is this a fashion thing, or does this song really
bother you?
(Slide in the CD, select track 9.. ahhhhh)
Baldski1
as 1978. Esp after Face Value. Sounds like more press bollocks to me
Tel
gpen...@my-dejanews.com
with anything? The interviewer in the Modern Drummer article was asking Phil
to describe drum techniques in various Genesis and solo songs over the years.
"Burning Rope" happened to be one of them and the interviewer's question
about the song lead to Phil's (now completely over-analyzed) response.
In article <19981210215524...@ng142.aol.com>,
-----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network ==----------
Baldski1
play in Genesis for so long if he was bored
gpen...@my-dejanews.com
bald...@aol.com (Baldski1) wrote:
> I obviously only got half the report. Still strikes me as odd that Phil would
> play in Genesis for so long if he was bored
>
> I don't know that Phil was bored - at least not thru the "Genesis" (Mama)
tour. In fact, although I'm partial to '70's Genesis, I would have to say
that the Mama tour was one of the better ones. The band - esp. Phil - really
seemed to be into it. You could really notice; however, that Phil's
enthusiasm during the subsequent "Invisible Touch" and (especially) the "We
Can't Dance" tours was waning. Maybe it was because of the success of 1985's
"No Jacket Required" album and tour - who knows? I just think he should have
probably called it a day in 1985.
Baldski1
hooked.
bewtifulfreak
>
> Hey, blame me! I'm the one who posted "this nonsense" as you so eloquently
> put it. The article - as a few have already confirmed - is legit. Come on,
> it's no secret that Phil had a dislike for the Burning Rope-type songs with
> heavy keyboard fills, etc... He also said he couldn't stand singing words and
> phrases likes "bread bin" and "undinal" either - that he "couldn't get behind
> them".
But words like "Sussudio" suit him just fine.... ;)
Ann
My guess is that's part of the reason we heard instrumental versions
> of Firth of Fifth during the Mama and We Can't Dance tours - who knows?
>
> In article <74id1i$rde$1...@newsource.ihug.co.nz>,
> "Chris&Dean" <lic...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
> > >Pac...@webtv.net wrote in message
> > <22394-36...@newsd-123.bryant.webtv.net>...
> > >Songs like "Burning Rope" caused Phil to leave Genesis? Who posted THAT
> > >nonsense?
> > >
> > >Phil decided that after 25 years, he had done all the music with Genesis
> > >that he wanted to do, and he wanted to devote more of his time to his
> > >solo career. Thankfully, his decision had nothing to do with Tony &
> > >Mike, as he is still best of friends with both of them... :-)
> >
> > The latter may be true, but unfortunately, so is the former. A friend of
> > mine has the actual interview - Phil was quoted. Maybe it was taken slightly
> > out of context, but...well...
> >
> > C
> >
> >
>
synthuser
> But words like "Sussudio" suit him just fine.... ;)
LOL!
Synthuser
--
"Keep the faith, don't lose your head."
-S Hogarth / Afraid Of Sunlight
jeff Blanks
"That's as maybe" is an oft-used phrase in England, IIRC; I remember
hearing it on a _Monty_Python's_Flying_Circus_ episode. It's not as
awkward to me as some people here apparently think it is.
Pay extra attention to Phil's "twentieth century" comment. He's probably
thinking about _style_ rather than substance. "Burning Rope" _does_ often
sound as if Johannes Brahms or Sergei Rachmaninov had written it, and that
might put off the more jazz-oriented Phil. "Made him leave Genesis,"
though? Well, maybe he just overstated a little. OTOH, you'll notice we
didn't hear much of that kind of music after then. Co-inky-dink???
I still like it, though, even if it's not my fave ATTW3 track.
bewtifulfreak
>
> Just a couple of things:
>
> "That's as maybe" is an oft-used phrase in England, IIRC; I remember
> hearing it on a _Monty_Python's_Flying_Circus_ episode. It's not as
> awkward to me as some people here apparently think it is.
Makes sense; it never sounded particularly awkward to me, just very
British (English, whichever the more proper and preferred term!). That
song is actually one of my favorites off the album.
Ann
Covenant
bewtifulfreak wrote in message <3676A8...@earthlink.net>...
British Ann, British! (Use English to describe Britain and a hoard of Wrath
shall fall upon your head from us crazed Scots...... I mean... from some
of the more *forthcoming* members of Alba!)
Still, that's as maybe ... it's still a frog...
(Back to Monty Python... "It ALL links!!")
(But that was Eddie Izzard!)
And, for the record, I too wish to announce my fondness for that particular
musical recording...
cheers!
Covenant.
A Man With Far Too Much Time On His Hands And Thus Has Become Master Of
Parentheses!!
bewtifulfreak
>
> bewtifulfreak wrote in message <3676A8...@earthlink.net>...
> >jeff Blanks wrote:
> >>
> >> Just a couple of things:
> >>
> >> "That's as maybe" is an oft-used phrase in England, IIRC; I remember
> >> hearing it on a _Monty_Python's_Flying_Circus_ episode. It's not as
> >> awkward to me as some people here apparently think it is.
> >
> >Makes sense; it never sounded particularly awkward to me, just very
> >British (English, whichever the more proper and preferred term!). That
> >song is actually one of my favorites off the album.
> >
> >Ann
>
> British Ann, British! (Use English to describe Britain and a hoard of Wrath
> shall fall upon your head from us crazed Scots...... I mean... from some
> of the more *forthcoming* members of Alba!)
Alrighty....right the first time, then! Ah, that lovely Scottish
accent....must be what drives those Brazilian stewardesses wild, eh,
BoB? ;)
<ignorance mode on>
Alba??
</ignorance mode off>
> Still, that's as maybe ... it's still a frog...
> (Back to Monty Python... "It ALL links!!")
> (But that was Eddie Izzard!)
I *must* catch up on my Monty Python....I think I missed a chapter, LOL!
> And, for the record, I too wish to announce my fondness for that particular
> musical recording...
*Yay*!
> cheers!
> Covenant.
> A Man With Far Too Much Time On His Hands And Thus Has Become Master Of
> Parentheses!!
Right there with ya' on that one as well....
Ann
Queen of Parenthesis, Elipses, Asterisks, and Myriad Other Forms of
Punctuation (Including Multiple Question Marks and Exclaimation Points)
Chris&Dean
<751d5t$g6b$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>I just think he should have
>probably called it a day in 1985.
No!
Then would never have had the pleasure of "Driving the last spike",
"Dreaming while you sleep", "on the shoreline"....need I go on...
C
Peter Doherty
>bewtifulfreak wrote in message <3676A8...@earthlink.net>...
>>jeff Blanks wrote:
>>>
>>> Just a couple of things:
>>>
>>> "That's as maybe" is an oft-used phrase in England, IIRC; I remember
>>> hearing it on a _Monty_Python's_Flying_Circus_ episode. It's not as
>>> awkward to me as some people here apparently think it is.
>>
>>Makes sense; it never sounded particularly awkward to me, just very
>>British
I've never thought the term was unusual at all (and I'm American) but
I always thought it was "That's as may be" as in "That is how it may
be" not "That's as maybe". With the word "maybe" being a synonym
for "perhaps" (roughly) the phrase doesn't make much sense to me.
>Still, that's as maybe ... it's still a frog...
A perfect example. Replace it with "That's as it may be" or "That's as
it might be" for our more American readers, and it makes perfect sense
to me.
In print, in Britain, do they really use "maybe" and not "may be"?
Just curious,
Peter
Erian Canlin
Peter Doherty wrote in message <7573dn$us4$1...@nntp1.u.washington.edu>...
>In print, in Britain, do they really use "maybe" and not "may be"?
Maybe.... maybe not.... :-)
Erian.
gpen...@my-dejanews.com
>
In article <755h4u$hg$1...@newsource.ihug.co.nz>,
> I thought Mike wrote "Dreaming While You Sleep"...?
gpen...@my-dejanews.com
>
>In article <7573dn$us4$1...@nntp1.u.washington.edu>,
>
>
> Peter
>
>Then, of course, there's the 'Queen of Maybe' :-)
gpen...@my-dejanews.com
bewtif...@earthlink.net wrote:
> gpen...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> >
> > Hey, blame me! I'm the one who posted "this nonsense" as you so eloquently
> > put it. The article - as a few have already confirmed - is legit. Come on,
> > it's no secret that Phil had a dislike for the Burning Rope-type songs with
> > heavy keyboard fills, etc... He also said he couldn't stand singing words
and
> > phrases likes "bread bin" and "undinal" either - that he "couldn't get
behind
> > them".
>
>
>
> Good point, Ann! Could "Sussudio" be the worst song ever written? ;)
> Greg
> My guess is that's part of the reason we heard instrumental versions
> > of Firth of Fifth during the Mama and We Can't Dance tours - who knows?
> >
> > In article <74id1i$rde$1...@newsource.ihug.co.nz>,
> > "Chris&Dean" <lic...@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
> > > >Pac...@webtv.net wrote in message
> > > <22394-36...@newsd-123.bryant.webtv.net>...
> > > >Songs like "Burning Rope" caused Phil to leave Genesis? Who posted THAT
> > > >nonsense?
> > > >
> > > >Phil decided that after 25 years, he had done all the music with Genesis
> > > >that he wanted to do, and he wanted to devote more of his time to his
> > > >solo career. Thankfully, his decision had nothing to do with Tony &
> > > >Mike, as he is still best of friends with both of them... :-)
> > >
> > > The latter may be true, but unfortunately, so is the former. A friend of
> > > mine has the actual interview - Phil was quoted. Maybe it was taken
slightly
> > > out of context, but...well...
> > >
> > > C
> > >
> > >
> >
Covenant
bewtifulfreak wrote in message <367701...@earthlink.net>...
>Covenant wrote:
>>
><ignorance mode on>
>
>Alba??
>
></ignorance mode off>
Just on ancient word for Scotland m'dear!
>> Still, that's as maybe ... it's still a frog...
>> (Back to Monty Python... "It ALL links!!")
>> (But that was Eddie Izzard!)
>
>I *must* catch up on my Monty Python....I think I missed a chapter, LOL!
It's a line from the sketch "Wizzo Quality Assortment" aka "Crunchy frog"
"We use only the finest, choice, baby frogs. Picked, flown from iraq,
lightly killed (LOVE that bit), and sealed in a quintuple smooth coating of
the finest milk chocolate and loving frosted with glucose..."
"That's as maybe... It's still a frog!"
(BTW The above is paraphrased. I've got too many eps. of too many series
flying around in this thing that I am suddenly going to call my head to
bother with putting the vid on, or even walking to my bedroom to check the
scripts!)
>Ann
>Queen of Parenthesis, Elipses, Asterisks, and Myriad Other Forms of
>Punctuation (Including Multiple Question Marks and Exclaimation Points)
But it *really* pisses me off that you can't *underline* with outlook
express (Severe pain in the arse! {seriously!} I need my line!)
(Ah! Nested parentheses... the mark of a true master!)
Oh... while I'm rambling... bonus point to anyone who can name the Other
comedy series that made up part of this TOTALLY O.T. (OTT?) post!
cheers!
Covenant.
A Man With Far Too Much Time On His Hands And Nothing To Do With Them...
(Insert Masturbatory Flamettes here...)
(Heeheehee..while Spell checking the above my Dictionary suggested
"Flatmates" for Flamettes... (THAT would certainly change the meaning of the
above!!))
Covenant
>
>>bewtifulfreak wrote in message <3676A8...@earthlink.net>...
>>>jeff Blanks wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Just a couple of things:
>>>>
>>>> "That's as maybe" is an oft-used phrase in England, IIRC; I remember
>>>> hearing it on a _Monty_Python's_Flying_Circus_ episode. It's not as
>>>> awkward to me as some people here apparently think it is.
>>>
>>>Makes sense; it never sounded particularly awkward to me, just very
>>>British
>
>I've never thought the term was unusual at all (and I'm American) but
>I always thought it was "That's as may be" as in "That is how it may
>be" not "That's as maybe". With the word "maybe" being a synonym
>for "perhaps" (roughly) the phrase doesn't make much sense to me.
>
>
>it might be" for our more American readers, and it makes perfect sense
>to me.
>
>In print, in Britain, do they really use "maybe" and not "may be"?
>
>Just curious,
>
>Peter
Peter..
Maybe actually crosses both of the definitions you used.
In "That's as maybe it's still a frog." It is obviously reffering to the
fact that the frog IS a frog, and thus "That is as it may be!" But, yes,
maybe is used as "Perhaps", BUT even the word perhaps can be taken to mean,
that IS as it may be, with just a hint of ambiquity.
I must admit, I was *amazed* when I found out, (through this NG), that there
*was* a problem with the usage of "That's as maybe". I've always found it to
be a wonderfully melancholic line, (and *my* regular readers will know of my
fondnes for melancholia,( alt.melancholy anyone?) ), and it confused me
insofar as I couldn't understand what the problem *was!*
Still, hope this nonsense
a) Helps
b) makes *some* kind of sense!
Peter Doherty
>Peter Doherty wrote in message <7573dn$us4$1...@nntp1.u.washington.edu>...
>>"Covenant" <Cove...@Joelamb.freeserve.com.uk> wrote:
>>>bewtifulfreak wrote in message <3676A8...@earthlink.net>...
>>>>jeff Blanks wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Just a couple of things:
>>>>>
>>>>> "That's as maybe" is an oft-used phrase in England, IIRC; I remember
>>>>> hearing it on a _Monty_Python's_Flying_Circus_ episode. It's not as
>>>>> awkward to me as some people here apparently think it is.
>>>>
>>>>Makes sense; it never sounded particularly awkward to me, just very
>>>>British
>>
>>I've never thought the term was unusual at all (and I'm American) but
>>I always thought it was "That's as may be" as in "That is how it may
>>be" not "That's as maybe". With the word "maybe" being a synonym
>>for "perhaps" (roughly) the phrase doesn't make much sense to me.
>>
>>>Still, that's as maybe ... it's still a frog...
>>
>>A perfect example. Replace it with "That's as it may be" or "That's as
>>it might be" for our more American readers, and it makes perfect sense
>>to me.
>>
>>In print, in Britain, do they really use "maybe" and not "may be"?
>>
>>Just curious,
>Peter..
>Maybe actually crosses both of the definitions you used.
>In "That's as maybe it's still a frog." It is obviously reffering to the
>fact that the frog IS a frog, and thus "That is as it may be!" But, yes,
>maybe is used as "Perhaps", BUT even the word perhaps can be taken to mean,
>that IS as it may be, with just a hint of ambiquity.
Yes, I'd agree to that. I was just wondering, since we don't see the
phrase too much over here in the US, what the normal usage was
over in Britain. I did a quick search of the WWW to see how often
the two versions would turn up. Neither turned up much, but it seemed
that the sources using "that's as maybe" were British, and several US
sources used "that's as may be". Perhaps it's a cultural thing that is
different between the two.
I found an Australian site using the term "that's as may be" and when
I went to see how they were using it, it was the following:
PO: A raw frog??
H: Oh we use only the finest baby frogs. Due picked and flown from
Iraq. Cleansed in the finest quality spring water. Lightly
killed, and sealed in a succulent swiss quintuple smooth treble
milk chocolate envelope, and lovingly frosted with glucose.
PO: That's as may be, but it's still a frog!
That figures!
>I must admit, I was *amazed* when I found out, (through this NG), that there
>*was* a problem with the usage of "That's as maybe".
Me too, though I think I'd still use "that's as may be" myself, but
I'm American and we seem to do it that way.
>Still, hope this nonsense
>a) Helps
>b) makes *some* kind of sense!
Yes on both counts. Thanks!
>cheers!
To you as well.
Peter
bewtifulfreak
Wait....doesn't 'may be' offer the same exact ambiguity? To say 'that's
as it *may* be', implies that it may *not*. So really, saying 'that's
as maybe' says pretty much the exact same thing, non? It's just that,
to some of us, 'that's as may be' seems more correct because that's the
sort of phrasing we're used to. As I said, 'that's as maybe' sounded
charmingly *British* ;) to me, and thus, correct in context....'that's
as maybe, I don't know'....
> I must admit, I was *amazed* when I found out, (through this NG), that there
> *was* a problem with the usage of "That's as maybe". I've always found it to
> be a wonderfully melancholic line, (and *my* regular readers will know of my
> fondnes for melancholia,( alt.melancholy anyone?) ), and it confused me
> insofar as I couldn't understand what the problem *was!*
I'm getting a little tired of agreeing with you, people are going to
start wondering how much you're paying me! ;)
> Still, hope this nonsense
> a) Helps
> b) makes *some* kind of sense!
a) Yes
b) Definitely!
> cheers!
> Covenant.
> A Man With Far Too Much Time On His Hands
Which Enables Him To Wax Poetic On Punctuation and Grammar (His
Elementary Teacher Would Be So Proud [Even If She Didn't Agree With All
His Usage])
bewtifulfreak
>
> bewtifulfreak wrote in message <367701...@earthlink.net>...
> >Covenant wrote:
> >>
>
> ><ignorance mode on>
> >
> >Alba??
> >
> ></ignorance mode off>
>
> Just on ancient word for Scotland m'dear!
Thank you for the education!
> >> Still, that's as maybe ... it's still a frog...
> >> (Back to Monty Python... "It ALL links!!")
> >> (But that was Eddie Izzard!)
> >
> >I *must* catch up on my Monty Python....I think I missed a chapter, LOL!
>
> It's a line from the sketch "Wizzo Quality Assortment" aka "Crunchy frog"
> "We use only the finest, choice, baby frogs. Picked, flown from iraq,
> lightly killed (LOVE that bit), and sealed in a quintuple smooth coating of
> the finest milk chocolate and loving frosted with glucose..."
>
> "That's as maybe... It's still a frog!"
LOL....and thank you again (education with a giggle)!
> (BTW The above is paraphrased. I've got too many eps. of too many series
> flying around in this thing that I am suddenly going to call my head to
> bother with putting the vid on, or even walking to my bedroom to check the
> scripts!)
Works for me!
> >Ann
> >Queen of Parenthesis, Elipses, Asterisks, and Myriad Other Forms of
> >Punctuation (Including Multiple Question Marks and Exclaimation Points)
>
> But it *really* pisses me off that you can't *underline* with outlook
> express (Severe pain in the arse! {seriously!} I need my line!)
YesyesYES!!! Damn asterisks really aren't quite the same thing, are
they? Nor are _these_, which it took me forever to realize people were
doing on purpose as a poor-man's imitation of an underline (I used to
think it was some other symbol which wasn't coming through correctly).
No offense to _ _ users, by the way....it's six of one, half dozen of
another.... :)
> (Ah! Nested parentheses... the mark of a true master!)
I can nest with the best of them!, though I usually refrain on a.m.g.
(I've already taken crap on another ng for my copious use of
elipses....I've been *burned*)!
> Oh... while I'm rambling... bonus point to anyone who can name the Other
> comedy series that made up part of this TOTALLY O.T. (OTT?) post!
>
> cheers!
> Covenant.
> A Man With Far Too Much Time On His Hands And Nothing To Do With Them...
Damn shame, that is.... ;)
> (Insert Masturbatory Flamettes here...)
> (Heeheehee..while Spell checking the above my Dictionary suggested
> "Flatmates" for Flamettes... (THAT would certainly change the meaning of the
> above!!))
Hey, my spell-check suggested 'gerbil' for 'Gabriel' (playmate for
Fluffy, perhaps?)! ;)
bewtifulfreak
>
> Covenant wrote:
> >
> > bewtifulfreak wrote in message <367701...@earthlink.net>...
> > >Covenant wrote:
> > >>
> >
> > ><ignorance mode on>
> > >
> > >Alba??
> > >
> > ></ignorance mode off>
> >
> > Just on ancient word for Scotland m'dear!
>
> Thank you for the education!
But, um....*why*? :)
Ann of the Afterthought
("The meaning of all that I believed before escapes me in this world of
none"....oh, sorry, that's 'After*glow*'....) ;)
bewtifulfreak
>
> bewtifulfreak wrote in message <36781F...@earthlink.net>...
> >DotheNeurotic wrote:
> >>
> >> Even better - let's do an anagram:
> >>
> >> MIKE IS ABBA!!!!!!!
> >
> >ROTFLMAO....oooh, *whew*, there is silliness in the air tonight (or
> >today, in my case); 'tis the season and all that!
>
> You're obviously RIGHT (again!) If the latest developments in Iraq are
> anything to go by!
Silliness of a most tragic order....
"They said there'll be snow at Christmas
They said there'll be peace on Earth
But instead it just kept on raining
A veil of tears for the Virgin's birth"
"I wish you a hopeful Christmas
I wish you a brave New Year
All anguish pain and sadness
Leave your heart and let your road be clear"
> >But we must regain at
> >least a modicum of composure, people, before the A.M.G. Off-Topic Patrol
> >come roaring up with their sirens....and, *believe* me, unlike the
> >Politeness Police, which I obviously Captain (with many good men serving
> >beneath me of course....*ahem*....well, erm, you know....),
>
> Can I Join up!!!???
Why, of course....I always consider very seriously the application of a
good man willing to serve the cause.... ;)
> >Ann (who would like to blame this on an illegal, or even legal,
> >substance, but unfortunately *can't*)
>
> Ah who cares.
> Do we *need* that stuff to stay silly yet devastatingly clever??
Apparently *not*!
Covenant wrote:
>
> bewtifulfreak wrote in message <36781A...@earthlink.net>...
> >bewtifulfreak wrote:
> >>
> >> Covenant wrote:
> >> >
> >> > bewtifulfreak wrote in message <367701...@earthlink.net>...
> >> > >Covenant wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> >
> >> > ><ignorance mode on>
> >> > >
> >> > >Alba??
> >> > >
> >> > ></ignorance mode off>
> >> >
> >> > Just on ancient word for Scotland m'dear!
> >>
> >> Thank you for the education!
> >
> >But, um....*why*? :)
>
> Ann, I hate to say it, but for once, you've *lost* me.
> Why what?
Let me conduct a bit of snippage, which I believe will clear things
right up:
> >> > >Alba??
<snip>
> >> > Just on ancient word for Scotland m'dear!
<snip>
> >But, um....*why*? :)
Clear things up a bit? :)
(i.e. - What the heck does Alba have to do with Scotland?! *Albania*,
maybe....) ;)
> Old puzzled Joe...
Makes two of us (Alba?!?!)....
And, furthermore, if haggis is sheep's stomach, then why is the furry
stuffed toy I obtained in Scotland known as a 'hairy haggis'? What's
that about? And is it uncouth for me to announce that I have a hairy
haggis in mixed company??
> (Damn... no song to relate that too.....)
>
> Ah, wait...
>
> Say, tell me why Joe
> I need another drink..
>
> Nah.. that's crap!
>
> stick with the nick.
> (Whodunnity? Robbery assault and battery!)
>
> hmmmmm..........
Not that we *need* anything to be this silly, but you sure you haven't
been hitting the eggnog, my friend? And if so....*share*, dammit! ;)
> Covenant.
> A Man With Far Too Much Time On His Hands And Awaiting The Wrath Of The Rest
> Of AMG, But He's Sorry, He's Just Enjoying Ann's Company...
Awww, warm fuzzies! Same here, m'dear.... :)
Ann, awash in seasonal silliness (must blame it on *something*!)
John L Nugent
> Clear things up a bit? :)
>
> (i.e. - What the heck does Alba have to do with Scotland?! *Albania*,
> maybe....) ;)
If I recall correctly from my British history, another ancient name for the old
homeland was Albion
.jln
(a thoroughly Americanized expat. Brit)
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bewtifulfreak
>
> bewtifulfreak wrote:
>
> > Clear things up a bit? :)
> >
> > (i.e. - What the heck does Alba have to do with Scotland?! *Albania*,
> > maybe....) ;)
>
> If I recall correctly from my British history, another ancient name for the old
> homeland was Albion
Gotcha! It all makes perfect sense now, thank you kindly.... :)
Ann
John L Nugent
> Gotcha! It all makes perfect sense now, thank you kindly.... :)
>
> Ann
yes, it all makes perfect sense, expressed in dollars and cents, pounds shillings and
pence ;)
.jln
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Chris&Dean
<758g7t$fct$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>> I thought Mike wrote "Dreaming While You Sleep"...?
I meant the songs would never have been written, or at least not the same,
if Phil wasn't there. They were all writing the music together for that
album, so Phil missing....actually, we could have had some interesting
alternative versions. A different vocalist could have come up with a
different melody entirely.
Perhaps some time in the very distant future, we'll be able to see released:
"Genesis Archive Vol 3: The Parallel Universe Versions"
C
Covenant
bewtifulfreak wrote in message <367818...@earthlink.net>...
>Wait....doesn't 'may be' offer the same exact ambiguity? To say 'that's
>as it *may* be', implies that it may *not*. So really, saying 'that's
>as maybe' says pretty much the exact same thing, non? It's just that,
>to some of us, 'that's as may be' seems more correct because that's the
>sort of phrasing we're used to. As I said, 'that's as maybe' sounded
>charmingly *British* ;) to me, and thus, correct in context....'that's
>as maybe, I don't know'....
Well, yes I thought so. But I didn't want to start a
<irony>
US screws up 'our' language again. Thread.
</irony>
What IS the diff. between The words Maybe and May Be
I don't get it?
>> I must admit, I was *amazed* when I found out, (through this NG), that
there
>> *was* a problem with the usage of "That's as maybe". I've always found it
to
>> be a wonderfully melancholic line, (and *my* regular readers will know of
my
>> fondnes for melancholia,( alt.melancholy anyone?) ), and it confused me
>> insofar as I couldn't understand what the problem *was!*
>
>I'm getting a little tired of agreeing with you, people are going to
>start wondering how much you're paying me!
If payment can be measured in respect, then I think I'm starting to help you
become a damn millionaire!
>> Covenant.
>> A Man With Far Too Much Time On His Hands
>Which Enables Him To Wax Poetic On Punctuation and Grammar (His
>Elementary Teacher Would Be So Proud [Even If She Didn't Agree With All
>His Usage])
>
AH! But we don't HAVE elementary schools over here!! (Well... not that I'm
aware of! {And by the way ..well done on the parentheses,[ 'A' minus], which
not everyone can do!}, but still I could be wrong!)
ME?? Naaahhhhhhh!!!!
Cheers!
Covenant.
A Man With So Much Time On His Hands He's Concidering Opening Up The
International Arm Of The Ann is Super Society.... wait... the A.S.S....
Nah.. better re-name that I think....)
Covenant
bewtifulfreak wrote in message <36781A...@earthlink.net>...
>bewtifulfreak wrote:
>>
>> Covenant wrote:
>> >
>> > bewtifulfreak wrote in message <367701...@earthlink.net>...
>> > >Covenant wrote:
>> > >>
>> >
>> > ><ignorance mode on>
>> > >
>> > >Alba??
>> > >
>> > ></ignorance mode off>
>> >
>> > Just on ancient word for Scotland m'dear!
>>
>> Thank you for the education!
>
>But, um....*why*? :)
Ann, I hate to say it, but for once, you've *lost* me.
Why what?
Old puzzled Joe...
(Damn... no song to relate that too.....)
Ah, wait...
Say, tell me why Joe
I need another drink..
Nah.. that's crap!
stick with the nick.
(Whodunnity? Robbery assault and battery!)
hmmmmm..........
Covenant.
BoB
>> >jeff Blanks wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Just a couple of things:
>> >>
>> >> "That's as maybe" is an oft-used phrase in England, IIRC; I remember
>> >> hearing it on a _Monty_Python's_Flying_Circus_ episode. It's not as
>> >> awkward to me as some people here apparently think it is.
>> >
>> >Makes sense; it never sounded particularly awkward to me, just very
>> >song is actually one of my favorites off the album.
>> >
>> >Ann
>>
>> British Ann, British! (Use English to describe Britain and a hoard of
Wrath
>> shall fall upon your head from us crazed Scots...... I mean... from
some
>> of the more *forthcoming* members of Alba!)
>
>Alrighty....right the first time, then! Ah, that lovely Scottish
>accent....must be what drives those Brazilian stewardesses wild, eh,
>BoB? ;)
Had to modify it a bit in order that the people south of the border can
understand me.
>
><ignorance mode on>
>
>Alba??
>
></ignorance mode off>
>
Someone will probably have got back to you on this by now, but Alba is an
olden name for Scotland
>
>> Still, that's as maybe ... it's still a frog...
>> (Back to Monty Python... "It ALL links!!")
>> (But that was Eddie Izzard!)
>
>I *must* catch up on my Monty Python....I think I missed a chapter, LOL!
>
>
>> And, for the record, I too wish to announce my fondness for that
particular
>> musical recording...
>
>*Yay*!
>
>
>> cheers!
>> Covenant.
>> A Man With Far Too Much Time On His Hands And Thus Has Become Master Of
>> Parentheses!!
>
>Right there with ya' on that one as well....
>
>Ann
>Queen of Parenthesis, Elipses, Asterisks, and Myriad Other Forms of
>Punctuation (Including Multiple Question Marks and Exclaimation Points)
>
BoB
bewtifulfreak
>
> bewtifulfreak wrote in message <367818...@earthlink.net>...
>
> >Wait....doesn't 'may be' offer the same exact ambiguity? To say 'that's
> >as it *may* be', implies that it may *not*. So really, saying 'that's
> >as maybe' says pretty much the exact same thing, non? It's just that,
> >to some of us, 'that's as may be' seems more correct because that's the
> >sort of phrasing we're used to. As I said, 'that's as maybe' sounded
> >charmingly *British* ;) to me, and thus, correct in context....'that's
> >as maybe, I don't know'....
>
> Well, yes I thought so. But I didn't want to start a
> <irony>
> US screws up 'our' language again. Thread.
> </irony>
<good natured American chuckle!>
> What IS the diff. between The words Maybe and May Be
> I don't get it?
Well, I'm not an English major, but if we were going to be quite
literal, 'maybe' is considered an adverb, as in "Maybe I will join you
for dinner," where 'maybe,' if I'm not mistaken, modifies the verb
'join'. Whereas 'may' and 'be' are both auxiliary verbs, as in "I may
be joining you for dinner," where 'may' and 'be' support the verb
'joining'. In other words, they have the same meaning, but the
differing usuage just alters the tone a bit. Of course, as you've
pointed out, usage varies from place to place, and common usage often
dictates whether something is acceptable, regardless of 'proper'
grammar, which would make the phrase "That's as maybe," acceptable based
on the fact that it's apparently common usage in Britain. So,
basically, what I'm saying is, who gives a fuck-all, there really
*isn't* a whole heck of a lot of difference! ;)
> >> I must admit, I was *amazed* when I found out, (through this NG), that
> there
> >> *was* a problem with the usage of "That's as maybe". I've always found it
> to
> >> be a wonderfully melancholic line, (and *my* regular readers will know of
> my
> >> fondnes for melancholia,( alt.melancholy anyone?) ), and it confused me
> >> insofar as I couldn't understand what the problem *was!*
> >
> >I'm getting a little tired of agreeing with you, people are going to
> >start wondering how much you're paying me!
>
> If payment can be measured in respect, then I think I'm starting to help you
> become a damn millionaire!
<Ann grows dizzy with praise>....well, I certainly *feel* richer, Thank
You!!!
> >> Covenant.
> >> A Man With Far Too Much Time On His Hands
> >Which Enables Him To Wax Poetic On Punctuation and Grammar (His
> >Elementary Teacher Would Be So Proud [Even If She Didn't Agree With All
> >His Usage])
> >
>
> AH! But we don't HAVE elementary schools over here!! (Well... not that I'm
> aware of! {And by the way ..well done on the parentheses,[ 'A' minus], which
> not everyone can do!}, but still I could be wrong!)
Ha! I followed! Scary! I *must* be good with nested parenthesis....
:)~ Anyway, don't be such a smart-ass, Mr. Wise Guy, you know what I
meant! You must have attended *some* school when you were a wee laddie,
so there must be *some* teacher out there who would be proud of this
discussion.... ;)
> ME?? Naaahhhhhhh!!!!
You?? Nevah!!!! ;)
> Cheers!
> Covenant.
> A Man With So Much Time On His Hands He's Concidering Opening Up The
> International Arm Of The Ann is Super Society.... wait... the A.S.S....
> Nah.. better re-name that I think....)
LOL!!! Then again, in it's own little way, it's somehow quite fitting,
hahaha....
Truly, thank you dear....you are really too, *too* kind, and awfully
super your own sweet self.... :)
(I bet Ebenezer Negrin is *really* about to toss his cookies now, what
with all this unrestrained sentiment flying about!!!)
Ann, listening warily for the OTP sirens
Steven Sullivan
bewtifulfreak <bewtif...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>jeff Blanks wrote:
>>
>> Just a couple of things:
>>
>> "That's as maybe" is an oft-used phrase in England, IIRC; I remember
>> hearing it on a _Monty_Python's_Flying_Circus_ episode. It's not as
>> awkward to me as some people here apparently think it is.
>
>Makes sense; it never sounded particularly awkward to me, just very
>British (English, whichever the more proper and preferred term!). That
>song is actually one of my favorites off the album.
Has no one here ever heard "I Can See For Miles"?
'But you still want me
Well that's as may be
But you gotta stand trial
Because all the while
I can see for miles.'
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Yes steevie, I'm sure you've *heard* the song........
but.............