Worst Genesis Album...
Ian Gordon
Definetly 'We Can't Dance' I would say.
KVOS68
of the vintage albums, i feel its one of the better "pop" era albums. IMO,
Invisible Touch is still the worst. The pop songs are pure pop and the extended
pieces are still quite danceable.(second worst?-ATTWT)
Ken
BRADLEYDSM
making some childish statement to get attention, or has a tin ear.
Brad
James and/or Karen Clay
Ian Gordon wrote:
> Any opinions on Genesis' worst album -
>
> Definetly 'We Can't Dance' I would say.
Well, the least played Genesis albums in my collection have to be:
Invisible Touch
Genesis (Mama album)
We Can't Dance would be the worst if it weren't for tracks like:
Driving The Last Spike
Dreaming While You Sleep
Living Forever
Fading Lights (better than anything on "Genesis" or "Invisible Touch",
in my opinion)
For me, the b-sides of the Invisible Touch album get more play than the
album tracks.
As for "Genesis", I played the hell out of it when it came out, but I
guess I've heard Mama, Home By The Sea, etc. just too many times...
Besides, I'd much rather hear a live version of these songs. In
hindsight, the "Genesis" album just sounds too sterile and weak to me.
There's no kick-ass bottom end, etc. It seems kinda bland.
Just my opinion...
Jim Clay
Eric Centeno II
Christian Gerhardts
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Eric Centeno II schrieb in Nachricht <15751-37...@newsd-613.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...My opinion on worst album:
A tie between I.T and WCD, leaning towards
WCD!
Shawn
the wishy-washy string bits between the songs need to go, but otherwise it's
a good album.
Shawn
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Slubberdegullion
BRADLEYDSM wrote in message
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>Anyone who doesn't think FGTR is the by far worst Genesis album is either
>making some childish statement to get attention, or has a tin ear.
>
>Brad
Right.............so that's not a childish statement then?
Just checking.
BTW - I would rather listen to FGTR than WCD - I own all the Genesis albums
and much more - but know the difference between a bands first uncertain
steps ( thats FGTR in case your not keeping up) and a band going through the
motions for their accounts (thats WCD IMHO).
There is a naive sweetness about FGTR - and find me a better chorus on WCD
than "Music...all I hear is music......guaranteed..."
--
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........Or Heaven Plug a Hole in Earth............"
Kzildjian Meritzis
guess which is the worst! You will also never find FGTR in my cd
changer.
Gary Best wrote:
>
> In article <7oaj4m$qfa$1...@uranium.btinternet.com>, eden
> <ede...@btinternet.com> writes
> >OK, I'm learning, which one is FGTR??? and don't all shout at once.
> >
>
> From Genesis To Revelation - the first album (and quite crap it is too!)
>
> Cheers
>
> Gary
>
> --
> I think I'm apathetic,
> but I can't be bothered to find out
> ------------------------------------------
> http://www.congo.demon.co.uk/genesis.html
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Mike Maria
middle of the road folk? From what i've heard on the archives I think
that I'd like it very much myself.
Shawn
circumstances. I've pulled out my third pressing vinyl release and here are
the remarks from the band that appear on the insert, quoted in their
entirety:
------------------------
"The group started as Genesis, biblical centuries ago. But fate intervened,
other groups became Genesis and who were we to fight. So we changed our
name in America to Revelation. Moments later up came another Revelation.
Now we are the group without a name, but we have a record and we want to
give it to you, name or not.
It was a hard sound to get together, conceived over a period of months, with
rainbows of music colour filtering through the glass partition on to the
sliding faders and echo knobs, searching for the pot of gold.
From Genesis to Revelation. Sporadic moments in between; thoughts' of a
very young group looking shortly back and far forward, over the grey
mountains of time shrouded in the mist of harmony. We hope you will find no
one to compare it with, not because we don't want to be compared, but
because there are better things to do. We hope you won't find it
pretentious or humourless because it was intended to be neither.
It was intended to be just very pleasant. Melodic, unusual, containing what
is natural and genuine. Sometimes, before the hard age of flitting teens,
shapes are sharper, patterns clearer, ideas more simple and statements more
crystal. Sometimes, indeed, wrongly so. Sometimes rightly. Always, in
truth, interesting and valid as an experience for the senses, for the mind.
Those years between fifteen and twenty. No longer boy or girl, not yet man
or woman. Confused by the bright light of age, remembering the hazy
mellowness of youth. Years when one tries to go back, forwards, upwards,
downwards -- never to remain static, at peace in growing up.
Listen and cast your mind into the sound spectrum. Hear what you hear --
smile and enjoy, from the beginning to the end, from Genesis to Revelation.
The Group -- PETER GABRIEL
ANTHONY PHILIPS
ANTHONY BANKS
MICHAEL RUTHERFORD
JOHN SILVER
Brian Roberts and Tom Allom sat petient behind the controls, with Jonathan
King who screamed, occasionally had fits and attempted not to turn
white-haired.
Arthur Greenslade and Lou Warburton added echoey string and wind instruments
with skill and gentleness."
------------------------
Speaks for itself, doesn't it?
Shawn
Ian Gordon <al...@destiny96.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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Brett Palfrey
ABACAB, surely?Brett Palfrey
eden
Eden
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In article <63Xp3.17$ZV2...@typ12.nn.bcandid.com>, "Shawn"
<sha...@psnw.com> wrote:
> FGtR
Gary Best
>
From Genesis To Revelation - the first album (and quite crap it is too!)
Allen Szany
you is two of the worst sons ever.The Album has some good songs ,but as
a whole is just so bad.They should have put On the shore line and hearts
on fire on the album instead of these stupid songs.
Invisible touch is nothing but pop. The only good songs are Domino and
the Brazilian. The Mama album is not as bad as the other
two, but still is not that great . Just a job to do and Silver Rainbow
are the only good songs on it.
I would have included Abacab , but Dodo and Abacab,Me and Sarah jane
saves the album.You might recall should have been on Abacab.
By the way,My favorite album is And Then There Were Three. I don,t know
why.Just got me hooked on the first listen. real Atmospheric.
Thank You much
Daddy Drummer
Paweł Świrek
> Any opinions on Genesis' worst album -
IMHO "Abacab"
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Larry
came out, the Philadelphia Inquirer gave it 1/2 star. I was pissed, then I
listened. I was willing to go one star.
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>...
>By the way,My favorite album is And Then There Were Three. I don,t know
>why.Just got me hooked on the first listen. real Atmospheric.
Yes! If I had to list the best Genesis albums, I would list a slew of
Gabrial era stuff, Trick, and WatW. But if I had to be totally honest, the
Genesis disc I listen to the most is ATTWT. Like you said it is very
atmospheric. The only song I don't like is Follow You Follow Me. But it is
the last song, so I just hit "STOP". Since it was the first album after Mr.
Hackett left, the keyboards play an even larger part in the music. I think
Tony is fantastic on that album. I should really invest some bucks and get
the remaster.
Another ATTWT fan comes out of the closet!
Bob.
Kzildjian Meritzis
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> The Mama album is not as bad as the other
> two, but still is not that great . Just a job to do and Silver Rainbow
> are the only good songs on it.
Huh?? What about "Home By The Sea" and "Second Home By The Sea"?? Those
tracks alone make the album worthwhile!
My vote would go to "We Can't Dance". "Hold On My Heart" is IMHO the very
very worst thing Genesis ever even so much as contemplated. Four minutes
or so of Tony Bank's blowing wind into a microphone would've sounded
better.
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Erian Canlin
Slubberdegullion <*nospam*@cwcom.net> wrote in message ...
>
>
>BRADLEYDSM wrote in message
><19990804005408...@ng-fr1.aol.com>...
>>Anyone who doesn't think FGTR is the by far worst Genesis album is either
>>making some childish statement to get attention, or has a tin ear.
>>
>>Brad
>
>Right.............so that's not a childish statement then?
>
>Just checking.
>
>BTW - I would rather listen to FGTR than WCD - I own all the Genesis albums
>and much more - but know the difference between a bands first uncertain
>steps ( thats FGTR in case your not keeping up) and a band going through
the
>motions for their accounts (thats WCD IMHO).
>
>There is a naive sweetness about FGTR - and find me a better chorus on WCD
>than "Music...all I hear is music......guaranteed..."
Amen Doug....
I would rather listen to FGTR than "Invisible Touch" or "ABACAB"
(which in my humble opinion were poo albums)
Some of the tracks on FGTR are great.... remember the guys were only about
17 when that was released.....
God I must be getting old...........
Erian.
Bear
<37A8EDEE...@usa.net>...
> I'm getting the impression that FGTR is a love it or hate it album. Any
> middle of the road folk? From what i've heard on the archives I think
> that I'd like it very much myself.
The main problem with FGTR can be summed up in two words: Jonathan King
For starters the wanker ruined the music with those cheesy strings. And
since then he has been pissing off fans by countless rereleases of various
subsets of the original tracks and the two singles. Only in connection with
the Boxed Set did he finally come up with something new, namely some raw
demos without strings.
If he wanted to do just a little bit to restore his credibility, he should
release a definitve version without the strings all together. Now, that
would be interesting.
What you hear on the Boxed Set gives you an idea of how great it could have
been.
So yes, I like the songs and No, I hate the arrangements. Does that make me
middle of the road (or just schizophrenic?)
Cheers
Bear™
PS: What would you expect from someone associated with Decca anyway? After
all, they turned down The Beatles...
Rob Kemp
Rob
eden wrote:
> OK, I'm learning, which one is FGTR??? and don't all shout at once.
>
raymond
IMNSHO
I'm ducking !
On Wed, 4 Aug 1999 00:30:50 -0700, "Ian Gordon"
<al...@destiny96.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>Any opinions on Genesis' worst album -
>
Greg Pendleton
always had a bit of a soft spot for it since it was the first Genesis
concert I ever saw (first concert period, for that matter!). It never
was - and still isn't - one of my favs, though. Funny enough, Follow
You, Follow Me is a better song to me now than it was in years past.
Must be old age! I guess it's because it's about the only Genesis song
that my wife likes. She pretty much hates the band. Side 2 has always
been - IMHO - the better side. Never liked Ballad of Big and Burning
Rope has dated itself over the years (I know, I know, we've milked that
subject once before). I'm a big fan of Say It's Alright Joe and have
always liked Motherlode and even Snowbound a little. Looks like a Mike
Rutherford theme, huh?
Oh, sorry, there was a question in here, wasn't there? Yes, the worst
Genesis album of all time is..................
ABACAB, of course! Followed closely by Invisible Touch, We Can't Dance
and Calling All Stations (an album, I'm sorry to say, that I've liked
less and less since it was released two years ago).
Greg
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Jim Gully
ShorThing7
childlike (meaning good not bad). Abacab was the complete beginning of the end
for Genesis so it always will hold a special place in my heart as the first of
many crappy albums. The moment I heard No Reply, I knew they were history as
far as prog masters. Keep it dark is so simple its crap. Whodunnit? no
comment... speaks for itself Just a bad bad album
Chuck
Searching till I die for that live lamb video :-)
Wot Gorilla
duvet and offers...
>I would rather listen to FGTR than "Invisible Touch" or "ABACAB"
>(which in my humble opinion were poo albums)
Ah yes, that's what we've been missing...those, er, insightful
'opinions' : P
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synthuser
> I would rather listen to FGTR than "Invisible Touch" or "ABACAB"
> (which in my humble opinion were poo albums)
ABACAB is poo???
Amit Raam
wrote:
>I don't like Trespass at all.
>*flame-shields UP!*
My tachion-field penetrates your puny shields; I enter your shields
and confiscate your copy of Trespass, donating it to the poor and
needy.
Ha!
Slubberdegullion
genesis album???!!!!!!!!!
your glass half empty or half full????!!!!!!!!
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........Or Heaven Plug a Hole in Earth............"
Jim Gully wrote in message <7odsua$p...@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>...
Yoav Wasserman
"From Genesis to Revelation" is a beautifull album! although not real
prog,it tops Trespass in some ways,or maybe when you said "crap",did you
refer to the goose that laid golden eggs?
What's my worse? "And then there where three",period.
And by he way, I consider all albums from "Nursery Cryme" to
"Trick of the..." great albums. Those are the bests. Duke is nice too.
Kzildjian Meritzis wrote:
>
> Well, I own every Genesis album except for "Invisible Touch" so just
> guess which is the worst! You will also never find FGTR in my cd
> changer.
>
> Gary Best wrote:
> >
> > In article <7oaj4m$qfa$1...@uranium.btinternet.com>, eden
> > <ede...@btinternet.com> writes
> > >OK, I'm learning, which one is FGTR??? and don't all shout at once.
> > >
> >
> > From Genesis To Revelation - the first album (and quite crap it is too!)
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > --
> > I think I'm apathetic,
> > but I can't be bothered to find out
> > ------------------------------------------
> > http://www.congo.demon.co.uk/genesis.html
> > ------------------------------------------
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Squonk
Honestly, my least favorite album would probably Nursery Cryme. Now, I'm
not saying that I don't like it at all, it's just probably the one I listen
to the least. Yes, I am a Phil fan, and damn proud of it. Even more, I
think my favorite album is Calling All Stations, and have a few shows from
the CAS tour, and think that they still have great music left in them. I
like the so-called "pop" albums, and I don't think Phil was the only
contributor to their change in style. I like his new solo stuff as well.
Yes, I am also a very big Peter Gabriel fan, and own all of his albums, too.
You can't blame a group for changing styles, even if it is an effort to
increase album sales. They have as much right to want to make money as
anyone else. I think they have made changes very well. I like the music
they did with Peter, in the past, but that's what it is, the past...I think
they have to move on and try new things, and I like the new things they've
done. And by the way, the first Genesis album I bought was Selling England
By The Pound...Never regretted it either....
Just some rambling...If you don't like it, don't read it.. :)
Squonk.
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Shawn
is as close as they ever got to a rock album. I agree with all your other
points. :)
Shawn
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CivikMan
keen on And Then There Were Three either.
I wouldn't say WCD is their worst album by any means. I wouldn't rate it as the
best, but it does have some good melodies and ideas going on, and it's the last
one with Phil, so I think right there that makes it somewhat of a gem.
(the) Djeedj
James and/or Karen Clay <jkc...@copper.net> a écrit dans le message :
37A7CA1B...@copper.net...
> As for "Genesis", I played the hell out of it when it came out, but I
> guess I've heard Mama, Home By The Sea, etc. just too many times...
> Besides, I'd much rather hear a live version of these songs. In
> hindsight, the "Genesis" album just sounds too sterile and weak to me.
> There's no kick-ass bottom end, etc. It seems kinda bland.
> Just my opinion...
I completely agree with you on this.
I'd say "Genesis" is their lowest effort. They even didn't have enough
inspiration to write a B-side (let alone a title for the album). The Home by
the Sea suite is okay, but is overrated mainly because it is featured on
such a poor album. Put that song on A Trick of the Tail or Foxtrot, then
suddenly it doesn't sound that good after all.
Nothing is really outstanding on this album (unlike Domino and The Brazilian
for Invisible Touch or Driving the Last Spike for We Can't Dance) and it
goes below Abacab because the latter contains a lesser quantity of real
stinkers. (Who Dunnit is REALLY the one I'm thinking of). Abacab is a more
balanced effort: just average. Very poor, considering that it was released
just after Duke, but still better than their eponymous effort.
(the) Djeedj
CivikMan
I couldn't disagree with you more, it's one of their best "Collins-era" albums
in my opinion.
BIGDOG
do with Genesis, with the possible exception of Bankstatement. Way back
then, it was on the playlist at the record store I worked at. I would put on
Lionel Ritchie first.
CivikMan <civi...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Genesis' most successful album and the least progressive. As for it being
it's worst, I would say it's _Duke_.
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do).
Sj.
JLorio9999
Collins album, with Wind and Wuthering coming in a close second. I would have
to say that their worst album is Invisible Touch, a bad album with 2 good
songs.
Jeff
Andrew Liam McNeil
_Selling England By The Pound_ and _The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway_, _Duke_
is a joke. They should have renamed themselves since they changed musical
direction a good 90 to 180 degrees. The self-titled album and _Invisible
Touch_ are at least good pop-rock but _Duke_ is just *BAD* pop-rock, it only
has one decent song ("Turn It On Again") _Duke_ is in no-man's land b/w prog
and pop and neither camp embraces it, IMHO.
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Christian Gerhardts
from the beginning til the end just boring. the great prog experience is
missing as well as the great arrangement that came later on their "adult"
records IT and WCD.
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How did I do Christian?
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Draxie
draxie
.
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Christian Gerhardts
Ya = Ja
dinke = denke
das musik = die musik
zher = sehr
schlect = schlecht
but I did understand what you were trying to say! Thank you for responding!
GulLecTar
>from the beginning til the end just boring. the great prog experience is
>missing as well as the great arrangement that came later on their "adult"
>records IT and WCD.
>Christian
>...life is a rat race...
>Andrew Liam McNeil schrieb in Nachricht ...
Campared to IT and WCD,ATTWT is a work of art,it's no wonder that Phil
decided to call it quit's.
As far as their worst effort is concerned,CAS should have never have been
released as a Genesis title.
No matter how hard I've tried to like and accept it,one just can't get
around the fact that it's just plain bad!
CivikMan
>do).
You guys are making me feel bad here..."Abacab" is the reason I started to like
Genesis in the first place!
CivikMan
>Lionel Ritchie first.
Good God! No way, "Genesis" has a lot of good songs on it, commercial or not. I
don't give a crap about things like that anymore, I listen to what I think
sounds good.
F.B.
(GulLecTar) writes:
>
>>and then there were three is bad - this is "no man's land" musically
and
>>from the beginning til the end just boring. the great prog experience
is
>>missing as well as the great arrangement that came later on their
"adult"
>>records IT and WCD.
>
>>Christian
>>...life is a rat race...
>>Andrew Liam McNeil schrieb in Nachricht ...
> Campared to IT and WCD,ATTWT is a work of art,it's no wonder
that Phil
>decided to call it quit's.
I can't agree; I think that WCD was one of the better Phil albums.
Side two of ATTWT is so bad that I have to say that only side two of
the self titled album can 'best' it as worst side of Genesis music.
> As far as their worst effort is concerned,CAS should have never
have been
>released as a Genesis title.
Here we agree. They really should change the name.
> No matter how hard I've tried to like and accept it,one just
can't get
>around the fact that it's just plain bad!
Yup -- it's tough to ignore.
Matt P
Carl
listened to most of their albums (the only ones I have not heard are ATTWT,
Abacab, but I have heard various songs from these albums) and I think that
the rest are all good. If I had to say the worst one, I would have to say
CAS. Ray Wilson is not suited to Genesis at all. BTW, has anyone heard Ray's
version of FYFM??? Ohhhh, it BAD!!!
Thanks
Carl
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Brent Williams
> have been
> >released as a Genesis title.
Just to take a comment out of the above (and I'm jumping in on this thread
in the middle), I think the CAS sounds like a demo record. The songs sound
unfinished. The lyrics fade out cheesily, and the arragements, while OK,
seem a little amaturish.
That being said, I wonder what the next album will be like? The albums, if
listened to in order of procuction, have a seemless flow, with the WCD and
CAS. WCD sounds like a Phil Collins record, the only exception being
"Driving the Last Spike."
As a fan, I'll never be one to tag an album as worst. I'll just say that I
think that it's an inferior vintage, and leave it at that.
[...And here's hoping for a full tour, soon!]
James and/or Karen Clay
it doesn't have that poppy dance rhythm behind it, or the cheesy background
vocals. I think it's a song that is well suited to the acoustic treatment; it
makes it sound more "respectable". Just my opinion, mind you.
Jim Clay
Bear
<zCTy3.523$Ws2.3276@client>...
> I really wish the guys had changed their name when they changed musical
> direction. Should have changed it to the second book of the Bible
(whatever
> it is, I haven't been to church in so long I can't remember Apostle's
> Creed!)
"Exodus". But Ray Wilson is the third singer, so you want "Leviticus".
- or they could have kept the band name but named the album after the third
chapter of Genesis: "The Fall Of Man".
Then maybe not. Genesis is Genesis. As someone wrote: Wilson is not Collins
and not Gabriel. But it's Genesis.
Cheers
Bear™
jrsquonk
probably does!)
Andrew Liam McNeil
Collins
> and not Gabriel. But it's Genesis.
I still think they should have changed their name. People should have the
right to know that when they buy an album by a particular artist that it
reflects a style. An artist is allowed some flexibility in musical style but
what they did was at least a 90-deg shift. The band should have been renamed
so that fans of the previous band at least know that they are buying
something that is distinctly different from what they recorded in the past.
To me it's misrepresentation to use the same name with a distinctly
different sound.
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> BearT
Squonk
same name?
Squonk.
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Squonk
should decide what Genesis music really is...Again, that's just my opinion.
I could be wrong...
Andrew Liam McNeil
your musical direction and keep the same name, I'm just saying for fans of
the band known for one musical style, for them to DRASTICALLY change styles
they SHOULD change their name or somehow let them know beforehand that the
style is not what they used to be.
That's all.
--
Liam, NP Genesis _Trespass_
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Andrew Liam McNeil
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Mr.Jones
album out, so hi doesn't confuse anyone???
Andrew Liam McNeil <amc...@SPAM.GUARD.chrysalis-its.com> skrev i
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> > Then maybe not. Genesis is Genesis. As someone wrote: Wilson is not
> Collins
> > and not Gabriel. But it's Genesis.
>
> I still think they should have changed their name. People should have the
> right to know that when they buy an album by a particular artist that it
> reflects a style. An artist is allowed some flexibility in musical style
but
> what they did was at least a 90-deg shift. The band should have been
renamed
> so that fans of the previous band at least know that they are buying
> something that is distinctly different from what they recorded in the
past.
> To me it's misrepresentation to use the same name with a distinctly
> different sound.
>
> --
> Liam, NP ELP _Welcome Back My Friends ... _
> ------------------------------------------------------------------
> Andrew Liam McNeil
> amc...@SPAM.GUARD.chrysalis-its.com
James W Barva
>"Driving the Last Spike."
>
Maybe but "Fading Lights" gave me the same chills as "Ripples".
Enjoy.
Terry DeLien
"Let me hear your lies, we're living this up to the eyes. (We really
are!!!!!)"
James W Barva
Bear wrote in message <01bef3df$354937c0$100f...@dmubf-h.dmu.dk>...
>Then maybe not. Genesis is Genesis. As someone wrote: Wilson is not Collins
>and not Gabriel. But it's Genesis.
>
>Cheers
>
"BLUSH" Back at ya BEAR. (The name didn't come from the character in the
CEREBUS Comic book, did it?)
I have always thought that after PG and SH left the creative center of the
band was MR and TB with PC contributing the least artistic of all
contributions. I really believe that all debates on this NG do not center
around PG vs PC (and sometimes RW) but Artistic vs Poppy. To me Art
matters, therefore I like PG, TB and MR more than the commercial PC. ATTWT
has taken such a beating on this NG, (Almost as bad as "DUKE") but there are
offerings on that album that (on artistic and emotional levels) can stand up
to early classics like "Supper's Ready", i.e. "Burning Rope" and
"Undertow", of course it is balanced out by crap. The Name of this string
is "Worst Genesis Album", but they all have their redeeming songs. If I
absolutely HAD to name one, it would be "DUKE" just because nothing ever
moved me to buy that album. (The only one I haven't bought.)
Maybe if I bought it and listened a few times (As I encourage everybody to
do with CAS), I might like it, too.
Or at least find the redeeming songs.
Bear
> > Then maybe not. Genesis is Genesis. As someone wrote: Wilson is not
> Collins
> > and not Gabriel. But it's Genesis.
>
> right to know that when they buy an album by a particular artist that it
> reflects a style. An artist is allowed some flexibility in musical style
but
> what they did was at least a 90-deg shift. The band should have been
renamed
> so that fans of the previous band at least know that they are buying
> something that is distinctly different from what they recorded in the
past.
> To me it's misrepresentation to use the same name with a distinctly
> different sound.
What a load of garbage. In that case they couldn't have called themselves
Genesis for "Trespass", as that varies WILDLY from "From Genesis to
Revelation" - much more so than "Calling All Stations" varies from "We
Can't Dance"!
And just think how many names Jethro Tull (or David Bowie!) would have had
to have used over the years.
Get real! Genesis is Banks and Rutherford - always was, always will be for
as long as THEY can be bothered. Personally, I'm rather happy with that.
Cheers
Bear™
Bear
<7qigvp$335a$1...@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>...
> WCD sounds like a Phil Collins record, the only exception being
> >"Driving the Last Spike."
> >
>
> Maybe but "Fading Lights" gave me the same chills as "Ripples".
True. And I can't really imagine "Dreaming While You Sleep" (my absolute
WCD favourite) on a PC solo album. In fact, Collins still had destinctive
Collins-in-Genesis stuff to contribute to WCD to make it a Very Good Thing
that he stayed on for that last effort.
Cheers
Bear™
David M. Taylor
> I still think they should have changed their name. People should have
the
> right to know that when they buy an album by a particular artist that
it
> reflects a style. An artist is allowed some flexibility in musical
style but
> what they did was at least a 90-deg shift. The band should have been
renamed
> so that fans of the previous band at least know that they are buying
> something that is distinctly different from what they recorded in the
past.
> To me it's misrepresentation to use the same name with a distinctly
> different sound.
Shoulda woulda coulda. People should have the right to do whatever the
hell they want as long as it doesn't put anyone else into a hospital or
a morgue or otherwise infringe on the rights of life, liberty, and
happiness (not pickiness but true happiness).
Anyway.... As long as Tony Banks is still in the band, it will always be
Genesis, unless he's left to a solo act, and even then, it's pretty darn
close. Others may disagree stating that after Peter left or Steve or
Phil etc., they were no longer Genesis. But the fact (not opinion!) of
the matter is, Tony Banks is, was, and always shall be, the central man
in Genesis. The end.
I turned over a new leaf at least once in my life, so I guess I should
change my name. How's this: &:^)* ...or, "the guy formerly known as
David Michael Taylor". Truth is, I'm still basically the same guy. I
just grew up a little. And I'm better at getting chicks now (knock on
wood. ooh, that doesn't sound right....).
--
Dave
http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Studio/8415/genesis.html
"Like a fool in a pool, I'm incredibly cool." - Genesis, 1972
David M. Taylor
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>
> The Name of this string
> is "Worst Genesis Album", but they all have their redeeming songs. If
I
> absolutely HAD to name one, it would be "DUKE" just because nothing
ever
> moved me to buy that album. (The only one I haven't bought.)
> Maybe if I bought it and listened a few times (As I encourage
everybody to
> do with CAS), I might like it, too.
That's right!! You probably would, actually.
> Or at least find the redeeming songs.
All of them have redeeming qualities, except Misunderstanding, which, I
would guess, is the song you heard that turned you off of the album.
Trust me, that song really sucks, but the rest of the album is
excellent.
> Enjoy.
Will do. (You're missing out.)
F.B.
writes:
><F4_y3.675$Ws2.7164@client>...
>> > Then maybe not. Genesis is Genesis. As someone wrote: Wilson is
not
>> Collins
>> > and not Gabriel. But it's Genesis.
>>
have the
>> right to know that when they buy an album by a particular artist
that it
>> reflects a style. An artist is allowed some flexibility in musical
style
>but
>> what they did was at least a 90-deg shift. The band should have been
>renamed
>> so that fans of the previous band at least know that they are buying
>> something that is distinctly different from what they recorded in
the
>past.
>> To me it's misrepresentation to use the same name with a distinctly
>> different sound.
>
themselves
>Genesis for "Trespass", as that varies WILDLY from "From Genesis to
>Revelation" - much more so than "Calling All Stations" varies from "We
>Can't Dance"!
That is different. No signature style, sound or band membership had
occurred by the time Trespass was recorded. Nobody knew who Genesis
was when they were recording Trespass.
Now, though, you have a new singer who was never in the band before
(unlike when Phil took over for Pete), and a different musical style
and direction. They just aren't Genesis any more; maybe they haven't
been for years, but when Phil left, that was it. Done. Over.
The fact is that they are still called Genesis because neither Tony nor
Mike have the inclination to go penniless for the rest of their
careers. Neither of them makes music that has a prayer of ever
becoming a big hit (unless popular styles change drastically) and so
they have decided to ride on the coattails of the Genesis name.
>
>And just think how many names Jethro Tull
Jethro Tull is Ian Anderson (and some would say Martin Barre, too) both
have been their for the duration; the rest are basically session
players.
(or David Bowie!) would have had
>to have used over the years.
Bowie is a solo artist, so this example is not particularly good.
Matt P
daniel potvin
Phil
>Collins album, with Wind and Wuthering coming in a close second. I would
have
>to say that their worst album is Invisible Touch, a bad album with 2 good
>songs.
>
>Jeff
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碰n my opinion the worst GENESIS album is invisible touch
but i think that after duke GENESIS did nothing good just shit
and even on Duke there is a couple of nasty ones.
Daniel
Wot Gorilla
Greatest Hits. % P~~
--
Wot Gorilla
John L Nugent
>
> Greatest Hits. % P~~
>
hee hee
you're on a roll today, eh?
.jln
Richard White
Duke is only half bad, that tune Dukes Travels is good. Better than anything that
came later!
ST
Christian Gerhardts
Banks/Collins/Rutherford lineup anymore. They've reached their peak. It was
a fine work of pop-songs and prog rock and proved that Genesis had still
something to say. It gave them their biggest success, although there were
two songs longer than 10 minutes. Phil's departure was the best thing that
could've happened after WCD. I always see that album as the "Famous last
Words" by Banks/Collins/Rutherford not only because of the lyrics of Fading
Lights...
--
Christian
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Im kinda sure Phil had it planned or they knew .....
Terry
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of course against all odds is a pretty ok song. thats about it for the
band !
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David M. Taylor
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> how can any genesis album be worst when they are all equally as bad
???
> of course against all odds is a pretty ok song. thats about it for
the
> band !
Thank you so much for that enlightenment.
squonk74
> jaa...@webtv.net wrote:
>
> > how can any genesis album be worst when they are all equally as bad ???
> > of course against all odds is a pretty ok song. thats about it for the
> > band !
>
> What all albums do you consider to be bad? Also, I think "Against
> All Odds" was a Phil Collins single; I don't know if Mike or Tony had
> anything to do with the song.
>
>