*What the fuck is Alternative?!!*
Billy
> I think alternative is such a joke classification of music. It's
> really pathetic. Aternative used to be an ALTERNATIVE to bands like
> Motley Crue and anet Jackson, now these alternative bands are kicking
> their asses all over the charts. It's Alanis and Hoochie & the
> blowjobs that twist the knife. The "scene" was dead in '91. It died
> with Nirvana, Pearl Jam and other Alterno-wonders of the same genre.
> Now, I personally think that Nirvana and Pearl Jam were pretty good
> bands. So, the scene was killed, initially, by good bands. But, when
> suck-ass bands like Stone Temple Pilots and later Red Hot Chili
> Peppers invaded the mainstream, I stopped calling it alternative. Now
> the bands aren't even pretending anymore. To me, when people refer to
> Alanis and Silverchair as "alternative" it's like rubbing salt on
> fresh wounds. What do you call an ALTERNATIVE TO ALTERNATIVE???
I agree with you 100% except your statement about the Chilli Peppers.
They were writing songs before "alternative" was popular. I don't know
about the Stone Gossard Pirates and don't really care....
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-Billy
bi...@mailhost.net
The Crow
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>jc...@starlink.com (Jimothy Chow) wrote:
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>>I think alternative is such a joke classification of music. It's
>>really pathetic. Aternative used to be an ALTERNATIVE to bands like
>>Motley Crue and anet Jackson, now these alternative bands are kicking
>>their asses all over the charts.
>
>The true alternative music is whatever doesnt sell millions, but has a
>visible fan base. ie: IRON MAIDEN is now "Alternative". Could Bon
>Jovi be considered "Alternative"?
>
>Anyway, I gave up trying to assign labels to music long ago....it just
>LIMITED my realm of musical possibilities. These days, if I like it I
>buy it. I just picked up Jagged Little Pill and I love it. I might
>buy the King Crimson live CD next week, right after I buy the new
>PRINCE. Anyone that confines themselves to particular styles of rock
>has a pretty uninteresting CD collection.
>>Hoochie & the blowjobs that twist the knife.
>
>have been playing the same stuff for years.
>
>>with Nirvana, Pearl Jam and other Alterno-wonders of the same genre.
>>Now, I personally think that Nirvana and Pearl Jam were pretty good
>>bands. So, the scene was killed, initially, by good bands. But, when
>>suck-ass bands like Stone Temple Pilots and later Red Hot Chili
>>Peppers invaded the mainstream, I stopped calling it alternative.
>
>
>>the bands aren't even pretending anymore.
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>>>As for Hootie and the Blowholes: What in God's name is there to discuss?
>>> This has got to be the most idiotic, boring pap to emanate from Rock
>>>Incorporated since Pat Boone.
>>Aren't you forgetting Counting Crows? Gee, where are they now?
>>Hoochie & the BlowGoats will be nothing in two months. People won't
>>even know how they are.
>
>Yeah right. They have been huge in the SouthEast for years. (much
>like REM was before they hit big) Unless the next Hootie album doesnt
>deliver something to the 12 million that bought the first one, I think
>they will be around. Counting Crows didnt come close to the success
>Hootie has enjoyed, so its lame brained to even try to compare.
>
>
>>"I guess you don't get paid any attention on the internet,
>>unless you scream, yell and use every obsenity and breach of netiquette
>> known to man. ---me.
>
>Only on the lame USENET groups.
>
I think Pear Jam whines too much
I think Greenday acts too silly
I think Trent goes overboard sometimes on the whole 'death' thing (but he kicks
ass anyway)
what do you guys think of filter? thats a cool fucking song I hear on the
radio, but havent heard any other stuff
--
The Crow - the...@iconn.net
"It can't rain all the time"
-Kryptology
Mes
>
>Dear Whoever the person is who wrote their nice little opinion about
>alternative
>music, you should really learn how to spell. Alternative IS great music,
>but really
>now!
>
alternative is BULLSHIT music. the only two good kinds of music still being
played today are punk rock and hiphop. and the mtv fucks have included those
in their meaning of alternative. alternative rock is bullshit music anyway,
BalIistic
kan't really say that Punk is so great now either, with so many people
running around screaming Pennywise is god and claiming that they love punk
while moshing in the pit at Offspring..............fuck U kan't even
listen to polka anymore, so just say fuck everyone else and listen to what
U want.
John Davis
hell yah, preach it...alternative is just a bunch of bull shit
beaurocratic bubble gummers trying to unconsiously exploit punk &
hiphop(not forgetting funk)
graet post, but one thing,why the fuck are you on the green day group if
you despise alternative, perhaps to get your Jollies pissing off little
possers, just like i do, we'll never know unless you e-mail
me.....hint..hint.....
julie
Dan Sivertson
>
> my take on the term "alternative" is simple. the motivation behind
> the initial use of "alternative" was to describe the use of unusual
> or uncoventional instrumentation, relative to the majority of what
> people were listening to. music that showed an unconventional use of
> an instrument, especially creative and unorthodox styles, would be
> potentially described as music using an "alternative" style.
LOL!!! "Unconventional?" Do you call the use of two guitars, a bass,
a drumkit, and a lead singer unconventional? I find "alternative"
extremely conventional interms of instrumentation. Alternative is
really nothing new. It's just a blending of older styles, metal/rock/punk,
some acoustic mixed in, and a whole lot of distortion on the guitars.
Alternative is like a leap back to 1982. It's really not new or unorthodox.
I will give you credit for "creativity", there are some excellent alternative
bands out there.
-- Danno
Flower Child
THANK YOU !
Brent Ellingson
Joan Osborne " "
Anything from Britain since 1980 " " (except the Police)
Anything called R & B since 1985 " "
Most Rap " "
Any band that got started after 1992 " "
I know this isn't exhaustive, but it's the best I could do for now.
Pretty accurate, n'est-ce pas?
Brent
Richard Gordon Campbell
more often than not it is in the alternative section. i think certain
people gravitate towards alternative lifestyles, i don't. i like weird
shirts, i am a lil' immature in certain areas (i like scooby doo, dukes of
hazzard all the things of my childhood). everyone is different, as i
grow up i am learning to accept this. well i have nothing else to say,
please don't flame me......
dic
TWYG (tda...@ivory.trentu.ca) wrote:
: bali...@aol.com (BalIistic) writes:
: >um.......yeah I agree that Alternative is cheezy and bull shit, but you
: my take on the term "alternative" is simple. the motivation behind
: the initial use of "alternative" was to describe the use of unusual
: or uncoventional instrumentation, relative to the majority of what
: people were listening to. music that showed an unconventional use of
: an instrument, especially creative and unorthodox styles, would be
: potentially described as music using an "alternative" style.
: however, look at what is now popular. musical orthodoxy has indeed
: changed. the kinds of styles that were once unconventional are, in
: comparison to what is popular, squarely conventional. thus we see
: the current dilemma in "alternative music".
: but -- there *are* still alternative styles. there is music out there
: that is pushing the envelope. and you can listen to music in what i'd
: consider an alternative manner; refusing to use it as wallpaper or a
: social engineering scheme come to mind.
: however nothing stops us from recoginzing individuals that *have* used
: and made popular unconventional methods of creating music. just don't
: think that conventions haven't changed.
: twyg
:
Madder ref
Peter Merryman
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> : >um.......yeah I agree that Alternative is cheezy and bull shit, but you
>
kill this thread now please.
Roberto Pavan
>LOL!!! "Unconventional?" Do you call the use of two guitars, a bass,
>a drumkit, and a lead singer unconventional? I find "alternative"
>extremely conventional interms of instrumentation. Alternative is
>really nothing new. It's just a blending of older styles, metal/rock/punk,
>some acoustic mixed in, and a whole lot of distortion on the guitars.
>Alternative is like a leap back to 1982. It's really not new or unorthodox.
>I will give you credit for "creativity", there are some excellent alternative
>bands out there.
It's precisely the blending of these styles and not the adherence to older
pop/rock/folk/metal/punk forms that makes the music alternative. Don't
forget that the word 'alternative' _was_ used back in the 80's to describe
the music from bands like the Cure, the Police, etc. - bands that were
blending the old styles into something new.
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Zeb DeMeerleer
>>running around screaming Pennywise is god and claiming that they love
punk
>>while moshing in the pit at Offspring..............fuck U kan't even
>>listen to polka anymore, so just say fuck everyone else and listen to
what
>>U want.
>
>THANK YOU !
>
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and do not reflect the official views of Microsoft Corporation.
Alternative is a stupid! word for something 'they' thought needed a new
catagory name. Sounds like Rock to me...
Your Mother
I agree with Roberto Pavan. There are bands like Guns N' Roses that
have two guitars, a bass, a drumkit, and a lead singer. Are they
alternative? No fucking way! What about Aerosmith? You have
alernative bands like Pearl Jam that have two guitars, a bass, a
drumkit, and a lead singer, then there's a band like Nirvana or Green
Day, who are a conventional trio. The number of members of a band
doesn't reflect their labelling, rather it's the STYLE OF MUSIC which
renders what society deems a band to be. You all need to get a
fucking clue.
>>LOL!!! "Unconventional?" Do you call the use of two guitars, a bass,
>>a drumkit, and a lead singer unconventional? I find "alternative"
>>extremely conventional interms of instrumentation. Alternative is
>>really nothing new. It's just a blending of older styles, metal/rock/punk,
>>some acoustic mixed in, and a whole lot of distortion on the guitars.
>>Alternative is like a leap back to 1982. It's really not new or unorthodox.
>>I will give you credit for "creativity", there are some excellent alternative
>>bands out there.
I agree with Roberto on this statement:
>It's precisely the blending of these styles and not the adherence to older
>pop/rock/folk/metal/punk forms that makes the music alternative. Don't
>forget that the word 'alternative' _was_ used back in the 80's to describe
>the music from bands like the Cure, the Police, etc. - bands that were
>blending the old styles into something new.
The fucker who wrote the original message is a cock smoker
ptor...@counsel.com
Jeff Han
Look, all of you, if there IS such a thing as alternative as you tend to referto, then the point is this: Alanis AIN'T it, OK?
JeFf hAN
Jessica Beth Katzman
Thank you...it needed to be said. Alanis can just keep her fucking hand
in her pocket.
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nathan drdul
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>Thank you...it needed to be said. Alanis can just keep her fucking
hand
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what a foolish comment
Mark
: <long argument blipped for brevity's sake>
: Look, all of you, if there IS such a thing as alternative as you
tend to referto, then the point is this: Alanis AIN'T it, OK?
: JeFf hAN
i thought `alternative was basically stuff that didn`t get inthe charts.:
that sounds properly alternative..:
alaanis is about as alternative as the now happily deceased take that!!:
Aaron Hanson
>
> ALTERNATIVE MUSIC IS THAT WHICH IS COOL
Well then, by that definition, "alternative" just means music. Here's
why: Saying something is "cool" is an opinion, I hope we can all agree
on that. And just about all bands have their dedicated fans, who think
their band is "cool". By this logic, all bands are viewed by at least
someone as being "cool." So, all bands are alternative? Well then,
that's not a very good definition for a genre.
Later,
Aaron
The NeXus!
>Later,
>Aaron
I think a better term for the genre would be "NEW ROCK".....
Refering to indie music like Bush, Alice in Chains, STP, Elastica,
Garbage, etc etc etc etc.... You see what I'm screaming? Instead of
calling it alternative I call it NEW ROCK. Because in essence thats
what it is, its NEW, and its ROCK. Something like Depeche Mode, and
U2 or THE CLASH I would place in my "personal" veiw as "alternative",
its not main-stream rock, and its not new rock, its more obscure
cult-following groups or artists, so its ALTERNATIVE to main-stream or
new rock. What do you think of my overview on this?
The NeXus!
Try Walking In My Shoes.
Christopher Ekholdt
>>Later,
>>Aaron
Yeah! That was a GREAT term!
Christopehr
your mom
> quite poorly. If you think that any of the bands you mentioned does
> anything new, you are sadly mistaken. It's all recycled late 60's and
> 70's rock music, it's not new, it's just different performers. The only
> band you mentioned that doesa anything remotely new is AIC, who merely
> mand old styles into something, which I suppose is something new. AIC,
> Pearl Jam, and Soundgarden are about the only creative new entities on
> the scene, so those three bands can be so-caled new rock, but I would
> call them good rock, and the others I would call shit, because that's
> exactly what they are, and they have the creativity of the dog's asses
> that spawned them.
>
> Dan
>
> Lover of Kate and Music
NO DUH. CAN I JUST TELL YOU THAT ANYONE WHO LABELS THEMSELVES
"ALTERNATIVE" IS A POSER??
ALL "ALTERNATIVE" MUSIC IS MAINSTREAM. MAINSTREAM ALTERNATIVE MUSIC
(IT'S CALLED AN OXYMORON).
WHEN YOU'RE ALTERNATIVE YOU GO AGAINST WHAT EVERY ONE ELSE THINKS IS
COOL. AND THEN YOU END UP BEING DUMB FOR PURPOSELY NOT LIKING THINGS B/C
YOU WANT TO BE TRULY DIFFERENT.
LABELS SUCK...LEAVE THEM ALONE.> >
-v
your mom
>
> Crap.
>
> Overplayed.
>
> Mainstream.
>
>
THANK YOU. you rule.>
>
>
The NeXus!
>>>> ALTERNATIVE MUSIC IS THAT WHICH IS COOL
>> I think a better term for the genre would be "NEW ROCK".....
>>Refering to indie music like Bush, Alice in Chains, STP, Elastica,
>>Garbage, etc etc etc etc.... You see what I'm screaming? Instead of
>>calling it alternative I call it NEW ROCK. Because in essence thats
>>what it is, its NEW, and its ROCK. Something like Depeche Mode, and
>>U2 or THE CLASH I would place in my "personal" veiw as "alternative",
>>its not main-stream rock, and its not new rock, its more obscure
>>cult-following groups or artists, so its ALTERNATIVE to main-stream or
>>new rock. What do you think of my overview on this?
>> The NeXus!
>>Try Walking In My Shoes.
>Yeah! That was a GREAT term!
>Christopehr
Thanks... I really appreciate that comment.. (grin)
The NeXus!
snoozer
>
> kvan...@vub.ac.be (Vanmeerbeek Koen) wrote:
> >hallo,
> >Much people think alternative means "not mentioned in the hit lists", however, that's a totally wrong idee.
>
> That definition was outdated when Nirvana broke through.
>
> Alternative means "something else than the common stuff", but who
> can give me an exact definition of "common"?
> >No on can, because common is a personal thing ,and you can only speak for yourself in it (or for a smaal group).
> >So alternative music as a name for specific kind of music is nonsens!!
>
> "Alternative" is one of the most commercially effective terms to
> put on a record in the US market these days.
> Today grunge is big business.
>
> Geir Hongro
>
grunge is dead, no big business, just dead. the last grunge album I
can think of is dirt-alice in chains or badmotorfinger-soundgarden.
the only thing that comes close to grunge these days is just the real
alternative bands that are still on no-name record labels.
snoozer <mbo...@neca.com>
Brock Sansom
T.J.Atkinson
Like the " New Rock " analysis - my only point would be that the rock
tag is a bit misleading for
a) Bands owing more to a pop lineage ( Guided By Voices )
b) Experimental stuff ( Tortoise )
" Rock " also tends to imply guitars, and heavy ones at that. Where
does this then leave Stereolab, New Order, Happy Mondays and other bands
owing much to electronica/experimental stuff/even soul + funk. The
Beastie Boys and Bjork, both " alternative" artists also defy such simple
characterisation.
" New Rock " if it can be said to exist at all,
is a major strain in today's alternative scene, but does not represent it
in its entirety.
I'd call Garbage pop anyway - and v.good pop music at that.
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I ran out of that yesterday
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He's watching 24 hours of rubbish!
On Fri, 1 Mar 1996, your mom wrote:
> > > I think a better term for the genre would be "NEW ROCK".....
> > > Refering to indie music like Bush, Alice in Chains, STP, Elastica,
WHAT? Bush, Alice In Chains, Stone Temple Pilots, etc aren't INDIE! Indie
has an actual meaning, it isn't just some vague term that you can
substitute for your little "laxiternative" genre-thing. Indie means bands
that are on independent labels; not MAJOR labels, which most of the bands
you mentioned are.
> > > Garbage, etc etc etc etc.... You see what I'm screaming? Instead of
> > > calling it alternative I call it NEW ROCK. Because in essence thats
> > > what it is, its NEW, and its ROCK. Something like Depeche Mode, and
> > > U2 or THE CLASH I would place in my "personal" veiw as "alternative",
> > > its not main-stream rock, and its not new rock, its more obscure
> > > cult-following groups or artists, so its ALTERNATIVE to main-stream or
> > > new rock. What do you think of my overview on this?
The Clash were dubby/punky/dancy pop music, pally. Not "laxternative."
Take it from a total bastard like me,
Richard "What fools these grungesters be," Serra.