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Ulla

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Jul 15, 2003, 7:15:15 PM7/15/03
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Well, probably it's not really a song she wrote but some folk stuff. Some
bugger borrowed the LP from me and never brought it back, so I lost a lot of
valuable songs that are somewhat stuck in my memory forever, but not quite
perfectly. So... The song goes something like this:

'There was a fair maid who lived in the woods
for the rose and the lindsey oak (?)
she fell in love with her father's sir
down by the green woodside-o'

If you know the lyrics or a place where I can find them I'd be so grateful.
Oh, and I already tried mudcat cafe, so that won't do. Or maybe I didn't use
the page correctly or typed in the wrong keywords. I don't know, but this
song is on my mind and won't go away until I have been able to sing it
completely once. OK, a bad case of summer madness I am, agreed. Anyway,
looking forward to any help...

Ulla

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bogus address

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Jul 15, 2003, 8:53:50 PM7/15/03
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> Well, probably it's not really a song she wrote but some folk stuff.
> [from a lost LP] The song goes something like this:

> 'There was a fair maid who lived in the woods
> for the rose and the lindsey oak (?)
> she fell in love with her father's sir
> down by the green woodside-o'
>
> If you know the lyrics or a place where I can find them I'd be so grateful.

This is a version of The Cruel Mother (you have a few words wrong).
Mudcat will have several of them (I hope).

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Java Jive

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Jul 15, 2003, 8:39:45 PM7/15/03
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Had to rack my brains over this one 'cos I knew I knew it, but it's never
been a favourite, so I've never taken any notice of it.

It's called the "The Cruel Mother" - a Childe ballad I think - and *is* in
Mudcat under that name ...
http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=1400
... but there are many variants, dunno if they've got JB's.

There's also an Irish version of it called "Weila Waile" which The Dubliners
did a version of.

*But* there's also "The Unquiet Grave" which also mentions a green wood,
though the other lyrices of the opening verse aren't such a good match.


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Java Jive

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Jul 15, 2003, 8:42:02 PM7/15/03
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Bogus, I think your PC clock is fast ...

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Bruce Olson

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Jul 15, 2003, 8:55:56 PM7/15/03
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For early copies of the original version, "The Duke's Daughter's
Cruelty", of the late 17th century, see ZN2459 in the broadside ballad
index on my website.

Bruce Olson
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Kevin Sheils

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Jul 16, 2003, 3:16:28 AM7/16/03
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On 16 Jul 2003 00:53:50 GMT, bo...@purr.demon.co.uk (bogus address)
wrote:

>
>> Well, probably it's not really a song she wrote but some folk stuff.
>> [from a lost LP] The song goes something like this:
>> 'There was a fair maid who lived in the woods
>> for the rose and the lindsey oak (?)
>> she fell in love with her father's sir
>> down by the green woodside-o'
>>
>> If you know the lyrics or a place where I can find them I'd be so grateful.
>
>This is a version of The Cruel Mother (you have a few words wrong).
>Mudcat will have several of them (I hope).

I trust you mean several versions, Jack, but from experience you could
mean several words wrong ;-)

Kevin Sheils

bogus address

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Jul 16, 2003, 6:40:52 AM7/16/03
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"Java Jive" <ja...@evij.com> writes:
> Bogus, I think your PC clock is fast ...

Set from a network time server a few hours before I posted that and
still okay by my wall clock. What do you mean?

Java Jive

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Jul 16, 2003, 7:32:39 AM7/16/03
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Well, it's rather strange then ...

My PC is also set from Internet time servers every time I boot up, and so
was and is correct within a few ms. Your mail seemed to arrive just before
I synced my own reply to the OP, yet yours has a later 1.53 time stamp than
mine 1.42. Time Zones maybe? But I would have expected the News hosts to
recomcile those. Perhaps I started my reply before yours, but I would
expect a mail to be stamped with the time it was last modified before
sending.

Not too worry anyway, I'll know to ignore time stamps in future!

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Maggie Davey

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Jul 16, 2003, 9:51:20 AM7/16/03
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"Ulla" <u.no...@t-online.de> wrote in message news:<bf21to$ioe$07$1...@news.t-online.com>...
> Well, probably it's not really a song she wrote but some folk stuff. Some
> bugger borrowed the LP from me and never brought it back, so I lost a lot of
> valuable songs that are somewhat stuck in my memory forever, but not quite
> perfectly. So... The song goes something like this:
>
> 'There was a fair maid who lived in the woods
> for the rose and the lindsey oak (?)
> she fell in love with her father's sir
> down by the green woodside-o'
>
> If you know the lyrics or a place where I can find them I'd be so grateful.
> Oh, and I already tried mudcat cafe, so that won't do. Or maybe I didn't use
> the page correctly or typed in the wrong keywords. I don't know, but this
> song is on my mind and won't go away until I have been able to sing it
> completely once. OK, a bad case of summer madness I am, agreed. Anyway,
> looking forward to any help...

Yet Another Digital Tradition Page, a mirror site at
http://sniff.numachi.com/~rickheit/dtrad/, has four versions of The
Cruel Mother and two of The Unquiet Grave. [I like this particular
site because there are tunes posted for a fair number of the songs -
may not matter to you.]

It's worth noting that, when searching for a particular song, you may
get more results if you play around with your key words. Ie,
"greenwood sidey" [the version I know] gives one version of Cruel
Mother, "green woodside-o" gives one, "greenwood side-o" gives two,
and "green wood side-o" gives three. In Mudcat's Dig Trad site,
"greenwood sidey" gives one version, "greenwood side-o" and "green
woodside-o" give none, but then a "cruel mother" search gives five.

Hope one of these is the version you're looking for.

Happy hunting.

Maggie


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Ulla

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Jul 17, 2003, 6:56:52 PM7/17/03
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Thanks for your help, but the mudcat versions, all four or five of them,
were not what I was looking for. Guess it's got to be the CD then. Never
mind, it's my birthday soon, so I've put it on my wishlist already. <G>
Still, I just can't get over the fact that I lost those LPs. Don't you hate
it when that happens? And: That set of three LPs were my first records ever,
a gift along with my first record player. But I never give up hoping that
one day fate will send this particular set along my way. Dreamer, ain't I?
;-)

Ulla


David Rintoul

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Jul 17, 2003, 7:55:16 PM7/17/03
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The song is also known as The Greenwood Sidie. As in, "Down by the
Greenwood Sidie-o"

Here's a link to a discography that shows that title as one of the tracks on
item # 13 under Joan Baez. The album is called "Joan".

http://www.gp.ot.lt/meloman/diskgraf/BAEZ.TXT

It was also recorded by Ian and Sylvia.

I think you'll find that she feel in love with her father's clerk.

Hope this helps!
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David Rintoul

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Jul 17, 2003, 7:56:40 PM7/17/03
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....errr...fell in love, that is...

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Lou Krieger

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Jul 19, 2003, 9:21:33 PM7/19/03
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>> "David Rintoul" <david....@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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The song is also known as The Greenwood Sidie. As in, "Down by the
Greenwood Sidie-o"

It was also recorded by Ian and Sylvia. <<

There's also an incredible version by the old, SoCal based folk-rock band
called Kaleidoscope. You'll have a hard time finding it, but this version
is as well worth listening to as Ian and Sylvia's.


Helen

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Jul 19, 2003, 10:37:42 PM7/19/03
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http://baez.woz.org/


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Helen

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Jul 19, 2003, 10:57:05 PM7/19/03
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Here's some JB Lyrics... hope you find the one you're looking
for.
http://baez.woz.org/jblyrics.html

Helen

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Jon-Jon

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Oct 10, 2003, 2:24:03 AM10/10/03
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It is called "Down by the Greenwood Side (It is more often called The Cruel
Mother) Try that title in Mudcat. It is on the ablum JOAN which is still
available.

peace,

Jon-Jon


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Helen

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Oct 12, 2003, 3:31:32 PM10/12/03
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Here's here official website with lyrics to several songs (ones she
wrote or co-wrote). I don't
think the lyrics to "The Cruel Mother" are there, but perhaps a note to
her would get the
results you seek. http://baez.woz.org/lyrics.html

Helen

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Java Jive

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Oct 13, 2003, 5:28:24 PM10/13/03
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For future ref I believe this is the true link to Joan's official site, I
suspect the other is a redirection:
http://www.joanbaez.com/

BTAIM, the lyrics of the songs she wrote or co-wrote are there, but this
is a trad song so it won't be, but I think you've already been pointed to
the correct mudcat address ...

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> http://baez.woz.org/lyrics.html


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