Jeff Lynne & Bev Bevan
David Honigsberg
heard was either a major rift or lawsuit between Lynne & Bevan regarding the
formation of ELO Part 2? I need this information for a book I'm working on.
You can reply here or send mail to my home address:
Thanks,
David
Mark
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Frisbill
Good for him,and Bev too.
John Devitt
David
Bev decides to reform ELO-approaches Jeff-Jeffs not interested-Bev goes it
alone-Jeff says -Hey this is half my band ,you can't do this-
decides to sue Bev-They eventually settle out of court-Jeff gets 50%
of the proceeds of first two albums and subsequent tours(I may be wrong on
that point) as he is a 50% shareholder-In addition Bev has to call the band
ELO Part 2. I would be interested to hear any more
accurate accounts and in particular the current Jeff/Bev situation.
Do we still talk??????
JD
"Hello,How are you,Have you been alright..." Jeff to Bev............
Dave
>
> David
>
> Bev decides to reform ELO-approaches Jeff-Jeffs not interested-Bev goes it
> alone-Jeff says -Hey this is half my band ,you can't do this-
> decides to sue Bev-
Real nice guy, that Jeff. He says he doesn't want to do it any more
then slaps an injunction on Bev and the boys when they want to carry
on. How can it be half his band when he wishes only to kill it. I
consider Jeff's attitude on this to be contrary to every true ELO fan.
He is the biggest impediment to the future of ELO.
Dave
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Steven Acevedo
>John Devitt wrote:
>>
>> David
>>
>> Bev decides to reform ELO-approaches Jeff-Jeffs not interested-Bev goes it
>> alone-Jeff says -Hey this is half my band ,you can't do this-
>> decides to sue Bev-
>> JD
>
>Real nice guy, that Jeff. He says he doesn't want to do it any more
>then slaps an injunction on Bev and the boys when they want to carry
>on. How can it be half his band when he wishes only to kill it. I
>consider Jeff's attitude on this to be contrary to every true ELO fan.
>He is the biggest impediment to the future of ELO.
He didn't want ELO to exist in any form, Dave. Even though Jeff put it
behind him he realized that sooner or later they would have to drudge
up his songs as opposed to their own music.
One of my biggest complaints about Part II is for the two albums they
put out they couldn't devote a show culling tunes those two?
I say that if you want to make it in concerts you should place faith
in your own creations than do cover versions of someone else's work
without their consent.
TheJuJuMan
>then slaps an injunction on Bev and the boys when they want to carry
>on. How can it be half his band when he wishes only to kill it. I
>consider Jeff's attitude on this to be contrary to every true ELO fan.
>He is the biggest impediment to the future of ELO.
From Conventional Wisdom in the music industry, Jeff IS a nice guy. In a way I
can see how he was bothered by someone other than himself ressurecting the band
that he made successful. I guess he has the right to say, "Wait, I wrote and
produced 99% of the music in the band! It was creativity that drove the band"
etc.
I had really hoped that when Bev had wanted to reform the band, he either: a)
decide to hotly pursue using JUSt the "E.L.O" name or b) abandoned the "E.L.O"
name altogether in favor of some new "offshoot" type of name (i.e., Afterglow,
Out of the Blue, even Strange Magic, etc.)
Jeff hasn't hindered their success that much. E.L.O PART TWO has. With very
poor management (IMHO). When people hear about Part 2 the first question they
inevitably ask is "Is Jeff Lynne in it?". They have done a good job of late,
shaking the Jeff Lynne spector, with Phil Bates contributions. But they will
without Lynne's involvement, they will always be second-best to the original
E.L.O.
Jeff never wanted to kill Bev's success in a band. However he felt that E.L.O
was a Lynne created project, and that Bev should "get his own band and name."
They were going to go to court for a knckdown drag out lawsuit. However out of
court, they came up with the Part 2 idea, a percentage of the royalties from
the first 2 CDs and a percentage of the touring monies for the first two years.
Jeff will always get mney from the peforming royalties laws. And Jeff's not
indefferent about whether or not a concert was promoted as ELO or ELO Part 2.
His lawyers are all over it. Sadly, this damaged the Bevan/Lynne friendship for
some time.
E.L.O Part 2 has to redefine itself and break out into something of their own
to make it work. They also need better management to get the music heard to
bigger crowds and on the radio.
Peace and love
The Juju Man
Whodat?
> Real nice guy, that Jeff. He says he doesn't want to do it any more
> then slaps an injunction on Bev and the boys when they want to carry
> on. How can it be half his band when he wishes only to kill it. I
> consider Jeff's attitude on this to be contrary to every true ELO fan.
> He is the biggest impediment to the future of ELO.
I've never heard jeff referred to by anybody who met him
personally as anything other than nice. (Or words to that
effect.)
As has been chronicled here, by the time OOTB was completed,
Jeff felt the band had run its course. Unfortunately,
contractually, they had about 8 years to go. (Not sure of the
number of albums, if any, were also required.) Can you imagine
how that must have been, creatively, to be forced to continue
something you felt was already peaked? And yet in spite of that,
we got Time and Secret Messages. Not bad, getting 2 of 4 good
albums all things considered. (As always YMMV.)
The ELO name had been owned by Roy Wood, Bev, and Jeff.
Apparently Roy sold his interest when he left. That means that
both Bev and Jeff hold 50% controlling interest in the ELO name.
That means that one of them can't go out on his own using the
name without the other's permission. Which means that if Jeff
had been the one to decide to go it alone, Bev could have put
the kibosh on that one, too. It just worked out that it was the
other way 'round.
To give you a little perspective, in 1980 (or thereabouts), Rod
Evans, the original lead singer in Deep Purple, got a lineup
together and went on the road performing as Deep Purple. He
touted himself as the original lead singer, and had 4 lookalikes
for the other members of the band not really present. By all
accounts, BTW, the lineup sucked. When the members of the Mark
II lineup (consisting of Blackmore, Gillan, Glover, Lord and
Paice) got word of this, they took Rod to court. As the court
case was settled, Rod lost all rights to any future royalties to
the songs he performed on, and it was also determined that any
band calling itself Deep Purple would have to have 4 of the 5
members of the Mark II lineup. (This is the lineup that did
Smoke On The Water and Highway Star and My Woman From Tokyo.)
"Jeff's attitude", as you put it, is one that many creative
people posses. He wants to maintain the purity of the work that
was associated with ELO. Without John, there is no Beattles.
Without Jeff there is no ELO. Or so goes the conventional
wisdom. And since there is no ELO without Jeff Lynne, so goes
the truth.
Some fans feel that this was wrong. I feel that it ensures that
the quality of that known as ELO is not diluted by the, at best,
sophomoric efforts seen from ELO part 2. ELO part 2 lacks
creativity, good production, and quality management. Had there
been good management from the start, perhaps their efforts in
the studio would have been marked by a "name brand" producer.
And had that been the case, some of the work that was better off
not being included would have led to better material.
Unfortunately, ELO part 2 has also been impacted by the change
in the music scene that has taken place in the past decade or
so. But that has only exacerbated their problems. It is not the
cause of them.
Best,
Chris
"Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he rewired the nuclear missile.
Steven Acevedo
>>Real nice guy, that Jeff. He says he doesn't want to do it any more
>>then slaps an injunction on Bev and the boys when they want to carry
>>on. How can it be half his band when he wishes only to kill it. I
>>consider Jeff's attitude on this to be contrary to every true ELO fan.
>>He is the biggest impediment to the future of ELO.
>
>From Conventional Wisdom in the music industry, Jeff IS a nice guy. In a way I
>can see how he was bothered by someone other than himself ressurecting the band
>that he made successful. I guess he has the right to say, "Wait, I wrote and
>produced 99% of the music in the band! It was creativity that drove the band"
>etc.
>I had really hoped that when Bev had wanted to reform the band, he either: a)
>decide to hotly pursue using JUSt the "E.L.O" name or b) abandoned the "E.L.O"
>name altogether in favor of some new "offshoot" type of name (i.e., Afterglow,
>Out of the Blue, even Strange Magic, etc.)
>Jeff hasn't hindered their success that much. E.L.O PART TWO has. With very
>poor management (IMHO). When people hear about Part 2 the first question they
>inevitably ask is "Is Jeff Lynne in it?". They have done a good job of late,
>shaking the Jeff Lynne spector, with Phil Bates contributions. But they will
>without Lynne's involvement, they will always be second-best to the original
>E.L.O.
>E.L.O Part 2 has to redefine itself and break out into something of their own
>to make it work. They also need better management to get the music heard to
>bigger crowds and on the radio.
Agreed on all points here. The thing that is holding them back is the
aforementioned and moreso because of what I stated before. They have
to start playing their own songs as opposed to just all of Jeff's
songs.
gef...@mailhub.exis.net
debate. While I believe that Part 2 has some excellent songs and
two-thirds of the band members from ELO, they merely mimic the ELO, or
shall I say the Jeff Lynne, sound. This puts them in sort of the same
class as Freiheit or Robin Zander or Crumbacher-Duke. Good tunes,
good strings, but it ain't ELO.
The comparison I draw is to the band Creedence Clearwater Revisted.
Stu Cook and Doug Clifford, CCRevival's bassist and drummer, got
themselves a guitarist and a John Fogerty sound-alike and tried to
recapture the success of the past. Fogerty tried to sue them to stop
this, but failed. What you are left with is a cheapened version of
the original CCR. Now, play Fogerty's recent live disc "Premonition"
and on the CCR tunes, you'll hear that Cook and Clifford absence don't
really affect the performance. Fogerty was the entire creative force
of CCR and these two yutzes are trying to ride on his coattails.
The same could be said for ELOp2. Kelly must be living out his dream
by finally getting to be lead singer and de facto leader of ELO. But
how does he feel singing a set of songs that are written by someone
else? Or Eric and Phil, who are the better songwriters of the group?
No, they have to rely on the past talents of another songwriter in
order to pull off a concert. ELOp2 has some great tunes, but why do
such songs as "Honest Men" (an election-year song if there ever was
one), "Power of a Million Lights," "For the Love of a Woman,"
"Breaking Down the Walls," or "So Glad You Said Goodbye" never make it
into the concert line-up? Do they not have faith in their own songs?
Some here like to argue that four of the six members are from the past
line-up. Fine, and Genesis still has Mike Rutherford and Tony Banks.
Odds are pretty good that they won't have a hit single again either.
And do you really want to hear "Turn It On Again" or "Abacab" sung by
the new guy?
If Jeff wanted to reclaim the ELO name, he should do what the Byrds
did in the late eighties. Mike Clarke, the Byrds' drummer, put a
group together and toured as the Byrds. Roger McGuinn, in an attempt
to prove who the creative element in the band was, got David Crosby
and Chris Hillman to perform with him at a benefit concert, thus
cementing in the public's mind who the Byrds really were. Jeff should
get Richard and a backup band to tour as ELO. For those who think Bev
is such a crucial member...well, I don't think he was missed all that
much when he got hit with kidney stones and was replaced by Pete King
during the Time tour.
Bottom line, Jeff was and is ELO. ELOp2, while possessing great
songwriters and instrumentalists, are merely pretenders to the throne.
A great band, but they should have called themselves by a different
name. They put on a very polished and professional live show (much
better than the ELO shows of the mid-80s), but again, it would be nice
if they would include some more of their own material and not rely so
much on Jeff's.
Cheers,
Geffer
Steven Acevedo
<who...@holy.sheep.sh*t.batman!.net> said:
>Dave wrote:
>
>> Real nice guy, that Jeff. He says he doesn't want to do it any more
>> then slaps an injunction on Bev and the boys when they want to carry
>> on. How can it be half his band when he wishes only to kill it. I
>> consider Jeff's attitude on this to be contrary to every true ELO fan.
>> He is the biggest impediment to the future of ELO.
>
>I've never heard jeff referred to by anybody who met him
>personally as anything other than nice. (Or words to that
>effect.)
>
>As has been chronicled here, by the time OOTB was completed,
>Jeff felt the band had run its course. Unfortunately,
>contractually, they had about 8 years to go. (Not sure of the
>number of albums, if any, were also required.) Can you imagine
>how that must have been, creatively, to be forced to continue
>something you felt was already peaked? And yet in spite of that,
>we got Time and Secret Messages. Not bad, getting 2 of 4 good
>albums all things considered. (As always YMMV.)
>
>The ELO name had been owned by Roy Wood, Bev, and Jeff.
>Apparently Roy sold his interest when he left. That means that
>both Bev and Jeff hold 50% controlling interest in the ELO name.
>That means that one of them can't go out on his own using the
>name without the other's permission. Which means that if Jeff
>had been the one to decide to go it alone, Bev could have put
>the kibosh on that one, too. It just worked out that it was the
>other way 'round.
<<snip>>
Another good example would be John Kay and Steppenwolf. For those who
have not seen Behind The Music on VH1 about this group, John Kay and
his ex-guitarist Danny Johnson got into a rift over the use of The
Steppenwolf name years after the group broke up.
Suffice to say John was not a happy camper when he found out David was
using The Steppenwolf moniker to promote his own solo venture. They
have not spoken to each other since. Again here is a case where the
leader had to defend the legacy of the past.
Cygnett1
all seems kind of mean spirited.I did'nt think rock groups were a monopoly
Steven Acevedo
>If Jeff wanted to reclaim the ELO name, he should do what the Byrds
>did in the late eighties. Mike Clarke, the Byrds' drummer, put a
>group together and toured as the Byrds. Roger McGuinn, in an attempt
>to prove who the creative element in the band was, got David Crosby
>and Chris Hillman to perform with him at a benefit concert, thus
>cementing in the public's mind who the Byrds really were. Jeff should
>get Richard and a backup band to tour as ELO. For those who think Bev
>is such a crucial member...well, I don't think he was missed all that
>much when he got hit with kidney stones and was replaced by Pete King
>during the Time tour.
Good plan. Except Jeff doesn't do concerts anymore. He hates 'em.
And the last thing I want to see happen is for the guy to do something
he doesn't want to do. To him it matters very little even though I
personally believe it would be the honorable thing to do.
>Bottom line, Jeff was and is ELO. ELOp2, while possessing great
>songwriters and instrumentalists, are merely pretenders to the throne.
>A great band, but they should have called themselves by a different
>name. They put on a very polished and professional live show (much
>better than the ELO shows of the mid-80s), but again, it would be nice
>if they would include some more of their own material and not rely so
>much on Jeff's.
Hear hear!!!
PeterV1962
is that Jeff and Bev were equal partners regardless of who did what on the
records. Jeff wrote the music for ELO not Jeff Lynne, they were released as ELO
albums not Jeff Lynne albums. I don't see why Bev should have to give all that
up because Jeff quit the group. I have yet to see anything said publicly by
Jeff or Bev that indicate that there is still an ongoing problem with this
arrangement. I couldn't see how Jeff would have a problem with ELO Part II
"cheapening" what he did with ELO as far as performances go they sound pretty
comparable if not better than any original ELO live performance I have seen. I
personally would like to hear more of their own music in their shows but most
people are there to hear the ELO songs. As far as their own material I think
it's pretty good and their two studio albums do more for me than several ELO
albums and Armchair Theater. I look at ELO Part II as a continuation of ELO not
as a replacement. I like ELO, ELO Part II and Jeff Lynnes' music. There is not
really a reason for me to take a side.
Peter
TheJuJuMan
>Apparently Roy sold his interest when he left. That means that
>both Bev and Jeff hold 50% controlling interest in the ELO name.
>That means that one of them can't go out on his own using the
>name without the other's permission. Which means that if Jeff
>had been the one to decide to go it alone, Bev could have put
>the kibosh on that one, too. It just worked out that it was the
>other way 'round.
>"Jeff's attitude", as you put it, is one that many creative
>people posses. He wants to maintain the purity of the work that
>was associated with ELO. Without John, there is no Beattles.
>Without Jeff there is no ELO. Or so goes the conventional
>wisdom. And since there is no ELO without Jeff Lynne, so goes
>the truth.
EXACTLY correct me son!
Cheers!
Juju
TheJuJuMan
>all seems kind of mean spirited.I did'nt think rock groups were a monopoly
Think of it this way mate. If the Rolling Stones, NO better yet, The Police
were to reform under just Stuart Copeland's direction people would eternally
ask the question after first hearing the news, "Is Sting involved?" Or "Where's
Sting". Same correlation with ELO.
It's not mean spirited really. ELO WAS Jeff Lynne like it or not. When you
write and produced 99% of the entire catalog of their music, he has some rights
to call ELO his own band. Rock groups are still a business, first and foremost.
Even though he put that part of his carreer to bed, he still had rights
(performing and mechanical) that would rightfully be his.
Rock on!
The Juju Man
MarginalFL
Right on! Finally, a posting from a fan's perspective. Real music fans go to
concerts for the love of the music, regardless of who's playing it. There is
no doubt in my mind that ELO Part II is a better "live" band than ELO ever was.
I think that the reason for this is because ELO Part II is having fun, too,
along with the fans.
Original ELO gave us the sweetest, most beautiful music ever......but it's Part
II (and a few of us undying fans) keeping it alive!
Thanks for the refreshing post, Peter.
Steven Acevedo
>I have stated my opinion on the ELO/ELO Part II controversy before. My feeling
>is that Jeff and Bev were equal partners regardless of who did what on the
>records. Jeff wrote the music for ELO not Jeff Lynne, they were released as ELO
>albums not Jeff Lynne albums. I don't see why Bev should have to give all that
>up because Jeff quit the group. I have yet to see anything said publicly by
>Jeff or Bev that indicate that there is still an ongoing problem with this
>arrangement. I couldn't see how Jeff would have a problem with ELO Part II
>"cheapening" what he did with ELO as far as performances go they sound pretty
>comparable if not better than any original ELO live performance I have seen.
<snip>
Despite Bev's good intentions, he never consulted with Jeff on
reforming the band. How would you feel if everything you worked for
was trashed just solely for the money?
I like what Part II has done with their own work and that should be in
the limelight more than what had been previously done before. Do you
know why most radio stations don't bother playing Part II? Because
Jeff's influence is far stronger. It may not always have been perfect
sometimes but Jeff wrote and sang almost every track.
Jeff may not be in ELO anymore but that doesn't mean he's going to let
someone bastardize his music just for the fans' whining "We want
more."
Mike Barsky
past few days. Here's my opinion, for what it's worth (not much, I'm
sure)...
Just like the Clinton scandal, no one comes out looking good in this mess.
As ELO Pt 2 so aptly put
in their song I'm So Glad You Said Goodbye: "...:And did you really think
I'd just lay down and die?"
I mean, these guys spent the better part of their careers working in ELO.
What did Jeff expect when he decided to bag it in 1986? Even if he did do
all the writing, their overall success was in large part due to touring and
the massive exposure it game them. Look at groups like the Alan Parsons
Project, who achieved only limited success due to the lack of live
performances. Rock fans want to see their favorite bands, not just hear
them. I personally think that Jeff should have been more gracious to his
former bandmates, and try to at least help get them get started on their
own.
Having said that, I agree that Pt 2 should rely more on their own material.
In my opinion, Eric is a very gifted songwriter, and I think his tunes
"Honest Men" and "Power of a Million Lights" are very much in the ELO
tradition. We haven't really heard much from Kelly yet, but songs like
"Fly Away" (from OrKestra) show promise that he is capable of doing some
songwriting himself. Finally, I'm glad to see Bates leave and the addition
of a new member (Mr. Huxley). Hopefully, this will give the band an added
spark to get out there and be original.
Personally, I would like to see ELO Pt 2 thrive, and wean their way off
Jeff's tunes. I mean, a lot of his stuff is getting played out
anyway...Roll Over Beethoven does nothing for me any more.
Opinions?
Mike Barsky
TheJuJuMan
> in their song I'm So Glad You Said Goodbye: "...:And did you really think
>I'd just lay down and die?"
>I mean, these guys spent the better part of their careers working in ELO.
I broached the subject with Bev Bevan 3 years ago. I asked him if the lyrics he
wrote for "So Glad You Said Goodbye" was a conveyance of how he felt about the
Jeff Lynne thing. He was kinda surprised by the question but thought about and
had this to say (from taped recording of interview):
BB: I dunno really. I wrote the lyrics to kind of be about a relationship in
general, ya know. (Pause) I guess it could be interpreted that way with Jeff
and me. But that's not what I was writing about. It's funny though how lyrics
can mean different things to different people. But that's a good one."
Strait from the mouth of the source.
Cheers
Juju
Dave
>
> Despite Bev's good intentions, he never consulted with Jeff on
> reforming the band. How would you feel if everything you worked for
> was trashed just solely for the money?
>
> someone bastardize his music just for the fans' whining "We want
> more."
>
Jeff was the first person that Bev called when he decided to reform
ELO. Bev said that he made it *very* plain that he did not want to do
it again. I guess you don't own Access All Areas or you would know
that.
Also, one man's basterdization is another man's ELO. I can just see
Jeff at home listening to "One Night" saying to himself, "Damn, why
couldn't I have done it that way. I might have enjoyed touring. Wish I
was back in 1981..."
Tim Ross
Steven Acevedo wrote in message <36cb0268...@news.phoenixat.com>...
>
>Despite Bev's good intentions, he never consulted with Jeff on
>reforming the band. How would you feel if everything you worked for
>was trashed just solely for the money?
>
>
>
From what I understand, Jeff was the first one Bev consulted in the
reformation of ELO. I strongly dissagree that Part 2 is "basterdizing"Jeff's
music. Many of those who attend Part 2 concerts were tooyoung to have
attended original ELO shows. There are also a lot of people who attend the
concerts who haven't really heard of ELO and become fans. They then buy the
original albums and earn a respect for Jeff's song writing on their own. I
understand Jeff saying that ELO ran its course, but he later achieved his
dreams. Beeing able to work withmusicians he's always respected. Most of
part 2 spent many years of their lives in ELO. Although Jeff did the writing
and producing, I'm sure they still worked very hard and shouldn't be
criticized for letting the light shine on a bit.
Just my oppinion
T.R.
>
>
Dave
>
> Dave wrote:
>
> > Jeff was the first person that Bev called when he decided to reform
> > ELO. Bev said that he made it *very* plain that he did not want to do
> > it again. I guess you don't own Access All Areas or you would know
> > that.
>
> made in a video to prove my points. Having said that, I think
> you need to also include comments from Jeff to balance comments
> made by Bev (or other member of Part 2). Otherwise it looks as
> though one is only posting that which confirms ones opinion.
Why would Bev lie about it? If he did Jeff would surely send his
heathen horde of attack attorneys over to Bev's house.
>
> Though I don't have it in front of me, in Jeff's interview in
> Rolling Stone in 1990, he pretty much stated that he felt that
> ELO was dead. In keeping with that belief, he was going to block
> Bev from going out on tour.
>
Yes. Jeff wants ELO to be dead. I for one am glad that someone is
keeping it alive. Any true ELO fan should agree with me on that.
>
> > I can just see
> > Jeff at home listening to "One Night" saying to himself, "Damn, why
> > couldn't I have done it that way. I might have enjoyed touring. Wish I
> > was back in 1981..."
>
> Dave, this is just plain wishful thinking on your part. None of
> the songs Part 2 have put out are of the quality of any of
> Jeff's. (Even their best vs. his worst.)
>
I was talking about the LIVE performance of Jeff's songs on "One
Night". Maybe you have never heard it. Do yourself a favor and either
get "One Night" or better yet, see them this year. Your entire outlook
on the subject will change. I guarantee it.
Whatismyname?
> Wow, this is obviously a hot topic, judging by all the responses over the
> past few days. Here's my opinion, for what it's worth (not much, I'm
> sure)...
> Just like the Clinton scandal, no one comes out looking good in this mess.
> in their song I'm So Glad You Said Goodbye: "...:And did you really think
> I'd just lay down and die?"
And this was specifically directed at Jeff? I'm sorry, but I
don't see it.
> I mean, these guys spent the better part of their careers working in ELO.
> What did Jeff expect when he decided to bag it in 1986? Even if he did do
> all the writing, their overall success was in large part due to touring and
> the massive exposure it game them. Look at groups like the Alan Parsons
Given the lack of touring, especially in the second half of
their career, I don't think you should say this and expect it to
be believed. And even if it were true, nobody would want to see
them live if they didn't have material worthy of being played
live. And that is thanks to Jeff.
> Project, who achieved only limited success due to the lack of live
> performances. Rock fans want to see their favorite bands, not just hear
> them. I personally think that Jeff should have been more gracious to his
> former bandmates, and try to at least help get them get started on their
> own.
The Alan Parsons Project was one of the top bands of the 80's.
Thanks due to strong songwriting on the part of Alan and his
main songwriting partner (whose name escapes me now, but I'm
thinking something to do with Eric Wolf or Wolfson). And also to
the new invention, MTV. They were always being played on MTV and
the radio. In fact, Kasey Kasem once noted that they were the
most popular band who had never toured.
I think you need to pick better examples than ELO or Alan
Parsons.
***CLIP***
Best,
Chris Van Gorder
<e-mail address withheld>
I'm not breaking the rules. I'm just testing their elasticity!
Whatismyname?
> Steven Acevedo wrote:
> > Despite Bev's good intentions, he never consulted with Jeff on
> > reforming the band. How would you feel if everything you worked for
> > was trashed just solely for the money?
> > Jeff may not be in ELO anymore but that doesn't mean he's going to let
> > someone bastardize his music just for the fans' whining "We want
> > more."
> Steven buddy,
> Jeff was the first person that Bev called when he decided to reform
> ELO. Bev said that he made it *very* plain that he did not want to do
> it again. I guess you don't own Access All Areas or you would know
> that.
I don't know about you, but I don't generally rely on comments
made in a video to prove my points. Having said that, I think
you need to also include comments from Jeff to balance comments
made by Bev (or other member of Part 2). Otherwise it looks as
though one is only posting that which confirms ones opinion.
Though I don't have it in front of me, in Jeff's interview in
Rolling Stone in 1990, he pretty much stated that he felt that
ELO was dead. In keeping with that belief, he was going to block
Bev from going out on tour.
The compromise was the use of Part 2. Bev got to ride on his
past accomplishments, and Jeff got to keep the memory of ELO
separate and distinct.
> Also, one man's basterdization is another man's ELO. I can just see
> Jeff at home listening to "One Night" saying to himself, "Damn, why
> couldn't I have done it that way. I might have enjoyed touring. Wish I
> was back in 1981..."
Dave, this is just plain wishful thinking on your part. None of
the songs Part 2 have put out are of the quality of any of
Jeff's. (Even their best vs. his worst.)
Best,
Chris Van Gorder
(e-mail address withheld)
PeterV1962
>the songs Part 2 have put out are of the quality of any of
>Jeff's. (Even their best vs. his worst.)
>
I personally think both ELO Part II albums were better than a few ELO efforts.
I would rather listen to them over the first ELO album anyday as well as
Balance Of Power and Jeff's Armchair Theatre. as well.
Peter
Whatismyname?
> Whatismyname? wrote:
> >
> > Dave wrote:
> >
> > > Jeff was the first person that Bev called when he decided to reform
> > > ELO. Bev said that he made it *very* plain that he did not want to do
> > > it again. I guess you don't own Access All Areas or you would know
> > > that.
> >
> > I don't know about you, but I don't generally rely on comments
> > made in a video to prove my points. Having said that, I think
> > you need to also include comments from Jeff to balance comments
> > made by Bev (or other member of Part 2). Otherwise it looks as
> > though one is only posting that which confirms ones opinion.
>
> heathen horde of attack attorneys over to Bev's house.
Now just where did I say or imply that Bev lied? I'll give ya
the answer- NOWHERE.
Stop being so damned sensitive when somebody is not sympathetic
to Bev and the Part 2. I don't have to like 'em, and I don't
have to have any reason other than I don't like 'em. That's the
damned thing about opinions, they're cussedly insensitive to
logic.
:-)
I said you shouldn't have posted only one side of the story,
especially since the one side comes from a video. I opined that
balance in reporting was necessary.
There is no evil conspiracy to stop bev and gang from doing what
they do, or to cast aspersions on their integrity.
Heavens to murgatroid!
:-)
> > Though I don't have it in front of me, in Jeff's interview in
> > Rolling Stone in 1990, he pretty much stated that he felt that
> > ELO was dead. In keeping with that belief, he was going to block
> > Bev from going out on tour.
> >
> Yes. Jeff wants ELO to be dead. I for one am glad that someone is
> keeping it alive. Any true ELO fan should agree with me on that.
See, there ya go agin', messin' 'bout sumbuddy's 'pinions.
I consider myself a true ELO fan, but I am totally in
disagreement with you on that point. I think the legacy has been
ever so tainted by Bev and gang living on past glories. It's
sort of sad, in a way. the only saving grace was Jeff putting
the kiboshes on using ELO only. It allows me, and the "unknowing
general public" to segment the two versions of the band. The
original ELO, and all that it stood for, and the new and all
that it stands for.
What each stands for is really a personal thing. I think the
first is a great band and a great legacy. And I think the second
is a sad attempt to live off of past glories. You think both are
worthy of praise.
I don't sit here and impugn you for your opinion, and I'll thank
you very kindly to not impugn me for mine.
> > > I can just see
> > > Jeff at home listening to "One Night" saying to himself, "Damn, why
> > > couldn't I have done it that way. I might have enjoyed touring. Wish I
> > > was back in 1981..."
> >
> > Dave, this is just plain wishful thinking on your part. None of
> > the songs Part 2 have put out are of the quality of any of
> > Jeff's. (Even their best vs. his worst.)
> >
> I was talking about the LIVE performance of Jeff's songs on "One
> Night". Maybe you have never heard it. Do yourself a favor and either
> get "One Night" or better yet, see them this year. Your entire outlook
> on the subject will change. I guarantee it.
I am not interested in hearing anything more from the band. I
bought Part 2's 2 studio and first live album, the one in Moscow
I believe. Few bands these days get that much attention from me
with the low quality of output that they suffered from. The
second studio just qualified them as not being a loss, and only
barely at that. But they are not, in my opinion, worth spending
any additional funds on.
That said, I think I'll leave it up to Jeff (and possibly
Richard, too) to interpret his songs. After all, he should know
them best.
Again, that's my opinion. You're entitled to your opinion, but
not mine.
I'm sorry if this sounds oh so belligerent, but it really gets
up my nose when some crusader thinks he can tell me what my
opinion is or must be. I'll make my own mind, in my own time,
and according to my likes. And if that isn't pleasing to you,
you have a problem.
Thank you,
Chris Van Gorder
(E-mail address suppressed.)