Punch Paul Weller
A Martin
Listen to the 10538 Overture, and then force yourself to listen to Mr
Weller's "Changing Man" track
In the intro, it is just 10538 overture, speeded up slightly and with
backing and drums but its there, and so obvious that I have let non-ELO fans
(are there such a thing??) listen to both tracks and they can here the rip
off.
Changing man? Thieving little sh*t more like.
Andrew Martin.
***Without your friends and lovers, you can never go on living***
***Jeff Lynne, Waterfall, from the ELO album Face The Music***
Sean Storm
> Changing man? Thieving little sh*t more like.
...and "Mr. Blue Sky" doesn't borrow the Macca bit from "A Day In The
Life," nor does "Mister Kingdom" owe a bit to "Across The Universe." Certainly
"Showdown" doesn't sound strangely similar to "I Heard It Through The Grapevine"
(actually, I plagerized that opinion from Ken Petty.....thieving little shit I
am!)...
Paul Weller is a fucking genius. He has written many great songs and I
could care less if he lifted a couple riffs here and there. The Jam's "Start"
is a blatant reworking of "Taxman." If Weller borrowed from "10538", he
continues to vehemently deny it in interviews today. Good for him!
Soapbox In The Foothills
ACS77
sacs...@innercite.com writes:
>...and "Mr. Blue Sky" doesn't borrow the Macca bit from "A Day In The
>Life," nor does "Mister Kingdom" owe a bit to "Across The Universe."
>Certainly
>"Showdown" doesn't sound strangely similar to "I Heard It Through The
>Grapevine"
Actually, "10538 Overture" takes its electric guitar intro from The Small Faces
"Flying", so Weller could've also got it there, then "First Movement (Jumpin'
Biz)" is an evocation of Mason Williams' "Classical Gas", "Ma-Ma-Ma Belle" a
rather blatant plagiarism of Mott The Hopple's "Jerkin' Crocus", the obvious
Beatles' White Album resemblance of "Bluebird Is Dead" to "Dear Prudence", and
"Oh No Not Susan" to "Happiness Is A Warm Gun" and "The Way Life's Meant To Be"
sounds just like "Save The Last Dance For Me" by The Drifters.
Rick Vendl II
ACS77
>Life," nor does "Mister Kingdom" owe a bit to "Across The Universe."
>Certainly
>"Showdown" doesn't sound strangely similar to "I Heard It Through The
>Grapevine"
Actually, "10538 Overture" takes its electric guitar intro from The Small
Kristofer Straub
With the number of musicians in the world today, there is probably a lot
more unintentional crossover then one could ever hope to imagine. It's
not a ripoff just because it has the same chords. That's not intended to
bail out anyone who knowingly steals music, but it happens by accident
all the time. And the four-chord progression in 10538 is not the most
incredibly original, unique progression ever put together. Just look at
that 12-bar stuff; no one sues anyone over any of it and all those songs
sound identical.
On a related note, listen to ELO's "I'm Alive" and 80% of the main chord
progression in Tom Petty's "Christmas All Over Again." I know Jeff
worked on both, but still. It happens.
--
Kristofer Straub -- kst...@nightlightpress.com
http://www.nightlightpress.com
ACS77
>Life," nor does "Mister Kingdom" owe a bit to "Across The Universe."
>Certainly
>"Showdown" doesn't sound strangely similar to "I Heard It Through The
>Grapevine"
Actually, "10538 Overture" takes its electric guitar intro from The Small
Faces' "Flying", so Weller could've also got it there, then "First Movement
(Jumpin' Biz)" is an evocation of Mason Williams' "Classical Gas", "Ma-Ma-Ma
Belle" a
rather blatant plagiarism of Mott The Hoople's "Jerkin' Crocus", the obvious
Beatles' White Album resemblance of "Bluebird Is Dead" to "Dear Prudence", and
"Oh No Not Susan" to "Happiness Is A Warm Gun", "The Way Life's Meant To Be"
hyperjet
ACS77 wrote in message
"The Way Life's Meant To Be"
>sounds just like "Save The Last Dance For Me" by The Drifters.
>
Villians' in that song as well as "To the Border"
Also 'Look at me Now' is just like "Elenor Rigbe"
john.kilcline
"ACS77" <ac...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20001227165923...@ng-fc1.aol.com...
> In a message dated 12/27/00 6:30 AM Pacific Standard Time, Sean Storm
> sacs...@innercite.com writes:
> >...and "Mr. Blue Sky" doesn't borrow the Macca bit from "A Day In The
> >Life," nor does "Mister Kingdom" owe a bit to "Across The Universe."
> >Certainly
> >"Showdown" doesn't sound strangely similar to "I Heard It Through The
> >Grapevine"
>
> Actually, "10538 Overture" takes its electric guitar intro from The Small
> Faces' "Flying", so Weller could've also got it there, then "First
Movement
> (Jumpin' Biz)" is an evocation of Mason Williams' "Classical Gas",
"Ma-Ma-Ma
Also note the rather blatant plagiarism of Mandalay from McCarthurs Park!!!
Ain't nuthin' new in rock n' roll
john
Sean Storm
> Actually, "10538 Overture" takes its electric guitar intro from The Small
> Faces' "Flying", so Weller could've also got it there...
Ah, good point! Big fan he is...Weller.
"First Movement (Jumpin' Biz)" to Mason Williams' "Classical Gas",
"Ma-Ma-Ma Belle" (b/w) Mott the Hopple's "Jerkin' Crocus",
"Bluebird Is Dead" to "Dear Prudence",
"Oh No Not Susan" to "Happiness Is A Warm Gun",
"The Way Life's Meant To Be" (to) "Save The Last Dance For Me" by The Drifters.
Could be fun making a mix of this: You done it yet, Rick?
I must admit I LOL when I read John and Hyperjet's picks. Always forgetting
the "Heroes and Villians" one, and it all made hilariously perfect sense when I
read "MacArthur Park"... Richard Harris version, naturally!
Hmm... thinking about that cover of "Sweet Talking Woman" by Huey Lewis and
the News.
Soapbox In The Foothills
ACS77
Exactly!
Rick Vendl II
ACS77
john.k...@ntlworld.com writes:
What, the Donna Summer song by Webb, if not, then which one, please expound?!
Rick Vendl II
Adam and Eve
Faces
> "Flying", so Weller could've also got it there, then "First Movement
(Jumpin'
> Biz)" is an evocation of Mason Williams' "Classical Gas", "Ma-Ma-Ma Belle"
a
> rather blatant plagiarism of Mott The Hopple's "Jerkin' Crocus", the
obvious
> Beatles' White Album resemblance of "Bluebird Is Dead" to "Dear Prudence",
and
> "Oh No Not Susan" to "Happiness Is A Warm Gun" and "The Way Life's Meant
To Be"
> sounds just like "Save The Last Dance For Me" by The Drifters.
>
> Rick Vendl II
Truth be told, my 'wife' and I banged out "A New World Record" in about 15
minutes, back in the day.
You'll be hearing from our attorneys.
Regards,
Adam and Eve,
Eden
(The serpent appears courtesy of the law firm of "Dewey, Cheatem and Howe")
john.kilcline
hyperjet
john.kilcline wrote in message ...>>
>MacArthur Park... Richard Harris version
>
Richard harris version). Speaking of Richard Harris, did he by chance do the
voice for Winny the Poo, cause it sure as heck sounds like Winny Singing.
I'll never have that recipe again!
Oh bother....
>
cnel...@my-deja.com
Sean Storm <sacs...@innercite.com> wrote:
> A Martin wrote:
>
> > Changing man? Thieving little sh*t more like.
>
> ...and "Mr. Blue Sky" doesn't borrow the Macca bit from "A Day
In The
> Life," nor does "Mister Kingdom" owe a bit to "Across The Universe."
Certainly
> "Showdown" doesn't sound strangely similar to "I Heard It Through The
Grapevine"
> (actually, I plagerized that opinion from Ken Petty.....thieving
little shit I
> am!)...
I understand how one can overlook the 10538 riff, but can you also
ignore the use of "In and Old England Town- instrumental" in the very
same song? I would think that by using both of these bits in his song,
that he most assuredly ripped off Jeff.
I look forward to the lack of response to this post as always. In the
next three months we'll discuss and ignore the same points about this
subject.
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Matthew W. Miller
>john.kilcline wrote in message ...>>
>>MacArthur Park... Richard Harris version
>I may be the only one in the world who kind of likes this song (the
>original Richard harris version).
Presumably at least one person does, that one person being Richard
Harris?
>Speaking of Richard Harris, did he by chance do the voice for Winny the
>Poo, cause it sure as heck sounds like Winny Singing.
*Winnie* the *Pooh*'s voice was originated by the late great Sterling
Holloway, and is currently played by Jim Cummings:
http://us.imdb.com/Find?select=Characters&for=winnie+the+pooh
--
Matthew W. Miller -- mwmi...@columbus.rr.com
"Have you ever been on rec.arts.animation or any other place where
animation buffs and professional-types gather? Animaniacs is like the
cartoon equivalent of the *antichrist* over there!" -- Capel Cleggs
John Walsh
all over the world , its the same song with just the lyrics changed.(Oh shit
Jeff wrote both) now theres an idea maybe ZOOM is just TIME in disguise!
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