why did duran copy japan???
klemm herr
first duran album was a total reincarnation of japan---examples planet
earth is quiet life--durans make up was a look alike of japan.
both groups have funny vocalists(in the way that they hang on to a note
for a long time!)
dont forget arcadia, its japan on every song!
know i wonder who the better group is??
klemm herr
look at the police they too had five albums,no one would dare say duran
duran was better than them!
japan had five albums,does not mean they were worse than duran(sylvian
went to go solo)japan's sales would only go up after tin drum,not down
like after notorious for duran.
plus none of japans songs sounds dated,can you say that about duran
duran....ha.
sure rio was great ...but it sure was not gentlemen take polariods or
tin drum or even quiet life.
:)
A, you got the wrong newsgroup, try alt.music.sylvian.
B, Arcadia sounded nothing like David Sylvian.
Isn't the better group the group that is still making records for its fans?
klemm herr wrote in message
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DuranieToo
Nick has been known to say Japan was an influence. Add Roxy in there too :)
>(in the way that they hang on to a note
>for a long time!)
Hmmm....then maybe both Simon and David copied Opera singers?? lol
>know i wonder who the better group is??
Both - they are both way excellent bands. Perhaps the confusion is it's just a
particular genre of music. I also think David and Nick look alike...which is
completely okay with me! :)
Keep this heaven alive!
http://members.aol.com/duranietoo/the arena.htm
:)
Nick is the "poodles privates" where image is at stake these days. Last I
saw David Sylvian he had really let himself go. See, once they think they
are famous they just don't care anymore!. David was sporting the latest pony
tail for hair do and a lovely beard, so much for Smash Hits most beautiful
man these days. Top marks to Nick though, I think in all the 18 years that I
have followed DD, he looks his best now, love his hair colour now.
DuranieToo wrote in message <19990118192544...@ng148.aol.com>...
RzBabyGirl
If you think that, why waste your time here? Are you just waiting to pick a
flame war with a Duranie or something??
>plus none of japans songs sounds dated,can >you say that about duran
>duran....ha.
They don't sound 'dated' at all......
>sure rio was great ...but it sure was not >gentlemen take polariods or
>tin drum or even quiet life.
What??
Lamya2
pop group and wanted to be in the public's eye, whereas David did not. He hated
being known for his looks instead of his talent. Duran loved having both. You
also have to understand that the album "Quiet Life" was the most influencial
album of that year, surpassing even what Roxy Music was doing at the time.
Every new romantic band wanted to sound like Japan!
David did, however, realse some brilliant music after the Japan split. Find
"Forbidden Colours" and "Bamboo Music" for a start. Those are songs he wrote
with YMO's Ryuichi Sakamoto. The first being a part of a soundtrack for a film
Bowie did called "Merry Christmans, Mr. Lawrence". Sylvian came out with
several albums after that. A new one will be released sometime before March.
His new look, by the way, is clean cut now, with a short haircut. No more beard
or ponytail. He hasnt sported that look since the early 90's.
If anyone is really interested in David's life, there is a book called "The
Last Romantic" which you can order from Amozon.uk.com. Its a great read for
any Duranie who wants to know more about one of Duran's biggest influences.
Lam...@aol.com
:)
"Is" ?...."was"!
Duran Duran "are" the better group.
look at the police they too had five albums,no one would dare say duran
duran was better than them!
So go to The Police newsgroup then?
japan had five albums,does not mean they were worse than duran(sylvian
went to go solo)japan's sales would only go up after tin drum,not down
like after notorious for duran.
As for Japan's mesley 5 albums, to my knowledge, Duran Duran have released
11 albums, with another due out this year.
If you think Duran's releases are "dated", I suggest you listen to the Tin
Tin Out remix of Girls On Film. Even if they did sound dated, at least they
are doing something about remixing them.
sure rio was great ...but it sure was not gentlemen take polariods or
tin drum or even quiet life.
If Japan were still going, I think they would be better but they are not.
But if you look at the releases outside Duran Duran such as Arcadia and Nick
Rhodes's new projects, I think Duran are still proving themselves as serious
recording artists.
Thanks for your opinion though
Darren x
:)
:) <;0)> wrote in message <36a42...@news.saqnet.co.uk>...
Joel
>sorry, make that 12 albums, forgot Liberty.
Surely its best left that way ? :)
Uffe Holst
In an article of 18 Jan 1999 klemm herr wrote:
> the better group is japan!
> look at the police they too had five albums,no one would dare say duran
> duran was better than them!
I like Police, but I certainly think Duran Duran is way better :-)
--
Uffe Holst
KrstnChld
Japan, and I like Duran Duran.
Open the book
And read from the pages
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/KrstnChld/Mind.html">Inside My Mind</A>
Kristian Child
Uffe Holst
In an article of 19 Jan 1999 KrstnChld wrote:
> Why should we all be arguing over who is better. I like the Police, I
> like Japan, and I like Duran Duran.
I like Police, I like Duran Duran, and I don't know Japan. Have they had
any hits that I ought to know?
--
Uffe Holst
blackrose
herr) spake thusly:
>the better group is japan!
Since liking a musical group is subjective, it is not possible to say
that any musical group is "better" than any other. However, more
people subjectively have chosen Duran Duran over Japan, and based on
that, one can say that Duran Duran is "better" than Japan - on balance
of opinion.
>look at the police they too had five albums,no one would dare say duran
>duran was better than them!
I would. I hate the Police, and I think they suck. I think Sting sucks
too.
>japan had five albums,does not mean they were worse than duran(sylvian
>went to go solo)japan's sales would only go up after tin drum,not down
>like after notorious for duran.
Hey, McFly - "The Wedding Album," was Duran Duran's biggest seller of
all time. It was two albums after "Notorious." Go get a Billboard,
Nimrod.
>plus none of japans songs sounds dated,can you say that about duran
>duran....ha.
Are you kidding? ALL of Japan's songs sound dated - as dated as
anything Duran Duran ever put out in that era.
>sure rio was great ...but it sure was not gentlemen take polariods or
>tin drum or even quiet life.
No, thank goodness. If "Rio" was, it would have been relegated to
obscurity and unknown by most of the world, instead of being regarded
as one of the great albums of all time.
br, wondering where blusilva is for this thread! must i keep the watch
all by myself?!@$#
@-}-
blus...@my-dejanews.com
no_...@pls.thx (blackrose) wrote:
> On Mon, 18 Jan 1999 21:16:15 -0500 (EST), luda...@webtv.net (klemm
> herr) spake thusly:
> br, wondering where blusilva is for this thread! must i keep the watch
> all by myself?!@$#
> @-}-
LOL! I was wondering where YOU were. Actually, I had Martin Luther King,
Jr. Day off yesterday, and as I have no USENET access at home. I just jumped
into this one when I saw your sig, because, I really don't know that much
about Japan except that I really like the couple of songs they still play on
KROQ and that Nick really did end up looking alot like David Sylvian for
awhile there.
I guess I could go back and read the rest of the thread.
blusilva (off to prepare to jump into the fray)
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klemm herr
after notorious...hmmmmm
Fizzyglist
didn't copy Japan's obscurity. It's pretty obvious that COPY isn't the right
word here. Of course, the were probably an influence. DD has something more
special, though.
Kris
I think the comments delivered by Martin Power have quite a lot to answer
for actually... I know it was *his* book, and his fifteen minutes, but I
thought some of his comments were totally irresponsible and ruined what was
otherwise a reasonably entertaining book, by their petty spite.
Onto this gentleman... well, as others have pointed out, you're in the wrong
group mate if all you want to do is post contentious headers like the above,
and go on to list bands that were better than Duran. Maybe you have a
passing familiarity with Duran, but not a great deal of affection,
evidently, so please go talk about the bands you do like, on their ngs. Oh
great, bet that means I'll see you on alt.sylvian too then. Probably with
the same tired thread.
to close, I'll just say I agree with whoever said taste is subjective, it's
possible to enjoy the music of *gasp* more than one band, even as much as
each other, in some cases. Personally, I like all of Duran's output, and
all of the Japan/related output, to varying degrees. At a time when I had
lots of wall space of my own, I had a lot of pics of Nick Rhodes, Steve
Jansen, David Sylvian and John Taylor up. Not because I was confused that
they were in the same band or anything though. It was as simple as that they
are/were all aesthetically pleasing. But oh no, not the same.
I've said way more than I was going to... but this subject just really
irritates me.
Pale.
ps A scene is something where various people drawing on various similar
influences all create a trend by establishing a style based on those
influences. Hasn't anyone noticed that *everyone* in that era was wearing
silver suits/eyeliner/synths...
blackrose
herr) spake thusly:
>so what the wedding album sold well,what about the other four albums
>after notorious...hmmmmm
Your claim was sales did nothing but go "down," so I don't see that I
*have* to answer this question, but here goes:
All had hit singles, to varying degrees. "Big Thing" hit with "I Don't
Want Your Love" and "All She Wants Is," "Liberty" hit with "Violence
of Summer," "Thank You" hit with "White Lines" and "Medazzaland hit
with "Out of My Mind" and "Electric Barbarella."
Pray tell, where was Japan when all this was going on?
br
@-}-
klemm herr
duran came to be....and its not a pretty site.
i'll say all she wants is was good! but as for the rest...i dont think
so, violence of summer diddn't even reach top 50. white lines didn't
reach the states, can you say to yourself these are true duran songs?
like someone stated duran tried to go commercial, well all there trying
doesn't stand up to japan(who didn't go commercial, and look what there
last album did #4,i would hate to see what they would of reached if they
did go commercial....maybe duran would of had a fw less albums say 7
less?
blus...@my-dejanews.com
luda...@webtv.net (klemm herr) wrote:
> blackrose thanks for showing these songs, this shows every one what
> duran came to be....and its not a pretty site.
I think everyone here pretty much knows what Duran "came to be" - and many of
us enjoy it.
> i'll say all she wants is was good! but as for the rest...i dont think
> so, violence of summer diddn't even reach top 50.
When was the last time a Japan song even *charted*? Refresh my memory. I
can't even think of a single one.
> white lines didn't reach the states,
What is that supposed to mean? "White Lines" didn't get airplay because it
was a cover of an old rap song. You can't fault the band for that. They
wanted to to the song, it was important to them and they did it. I don't
think the "Thank You" project was for anyone but themselves anyway.
> can you say to yourself these are true duran songs?
Sheesh. With the exception of the cover tunes, of course they are. If you
want to live in the early 80s, go right ahead, no one's stopping you.
> like someone stated duran tried to go commercial, well all there trying
> doesn't stand up to japan(who didn't go commercial, and look what there
> last album did #4,i would hate to see what they would of reached if they
> did go commercial....maybe duran would of had a fw less albums say 7
> less?
Whoa. I stated that "Big Thing" was the one album where they really let other
sounds influence theirs.
And when the hell was the last Japan album that wasn't a greatest hits
released? And where did it go to #4? Certainly not here in America.
Look, if you want to live in 1983, fine. Buh-bye.
blusilva
Lamya2
>released? And where did it go to #4? Certainly not here in America.
>
>Look, if you want to live in 1983, fine. Buh-bye.
Um.. need I remind anyone that David Sylvian is, at least, still on the same
record label since Japan. Or should I say, at least he still has a record
deal? Ha! Okay, that was mean. I still love Duran though...
Lam...@aol.com
blus...@my-dejanews.com
blackrose
herr) spake thusly:
>blackrose thanks for showing these songs, this shows every one what
>duran came to be....and its not a pretty site.
How so?
Singles:
DECEMBER 3. 1988--"I Don't Want Your Love" hits U.S. #4
JANUARY, 1989--"All She Wants Is" hits U.K. #9
AUGUST 11, 1990--"Violence of Summer" hits U.K. #20
FEBRUARY 20, 1993--"Ordinary World" hits U.S. #3
JUNE 19, 1993--"Come Undone" hits U.S. #7
JULY 1, 1995--"White Lines" hits U.K. #17
MARCH, 1997 -- "Out Of My Mind" hits U.K. #20
OCTOBER 28, 1997 "Electric Barbarella" hits CA.#19
All of these songs top 20 hits, 4 top 10 and 2 top 5.
Albums:
Big Thing went gold. Debuted at #24 and spent a total of 14 weeks on
the chart. It went on to sell over 800,000 copies.
Liberty debuted at #46 and did not go gold.
The Wedding Album went double platinum. Debuted at #7 and spent 26
weeks on the top 200 chart.
Thank You debuted at #19 and went gold in 1995
Medazzaland debuted at #56, and did not go gold.
5 Albums, 2 gold, 1 double-platinum.
>i'll say all she wants is was good! but as for the rest...i dont think
>so
So we're supposed to base our opinions on what YOU think?
>violence of summer diddn't even reach top 50. white lines didn't
>reach the states, can you say to yourself these are true duran songs?
Yeah, I can. Even if Duran Duran enjoyed no commercial success at all.
As a matter of fact, "Medazzaland" was their biggest disappointment
ever, and it happens to be my favorite since "Notorious."
>like someone stated duran tried to go commercial, well all there trying
>doesn't stand up to japan(who didn't go commercial, and look what there
>last album did #4,i would hate to see what they would of reached if they
>did go commercial....maybe duran would of had a fw less albums say 7
>less?
#4? Really? Do tell.
br
@-}-
You all need a real band, anyway, like RFA:
http://www.radiofreeamerica.net
Lamya2
>> record label since Japan. Or should I say, at least he still has a record
>> deal? Ha! Okay, that was mean. I still love Duran though...
>> Lam...@aol.com
>>
>
>When did David Sylvian last chart?
>
That wasnt the point. Duran hasnt charted much lately either. At least not a
high charting. Are they on a major label yet, which is the number one
question.
Lam...@aol.com
FemmeFrets
high charting. Are they on a major label yet, which is the number one
question.>>
So it's like...who's the bigger hasbeen? My vote says that Limahl could kick
all their asses in the unemployment line!
~Danamaria
SeriousVanityMusicHomepage
http://www.toto.net/svanity/home.html
"Laughter is good medicine, except for VD."-Ezmerelda Tolhurst III
Kris
>So it's like...who's the bigger hasbeen? My vote says that Limahl could
kick all their asses in the unemployment line!
Well, I think Green Gartside is a better proposition for that, I mean, he's
a tall bloke!
LOL
thks Dana, for restoring some humour. Off to listen to some music... hmm,
Duran? Japan? etc...
Stavis
Rie
:)
or Japs!
I loved his stuff. Can't stand his "new" haircut though.
p.s, start taking the piss outta him and I'll start on your nickname.
:)
FemmeFrets wrote in message
<19990122014016...@ng-cg1.aol.com>...
><<That wasnt the point. Duran hasnt charted much lately either. At least
not a
>high charting. Are they on a major label yet, which is the number one
>question.>>
>
>So it's like...who's the bigger hasbeen? My vote says that Limahl could
kick
>all their asses in the unemployment line!
FemmeFrets
a tall bloke!>>
Hehehhe...I had forgotten old Green!
<<p.s, start taking the piss outta him and I'll start on your nickname.>>
I have no intention on furthering the Limahl joke, but please, go for my
nickname! I love the attention!
klemm herr
last sylvian album reached top ten
yes all foreign sales.
rain tree crow reached top 20 in 91...hmm duran had liberty and well ,i
think you know what that did.
how is 91' living in the early 80's??
:)
read back the message that I sent and thought it may have got perceived as
rude and offensive, nice to see you got a good sense of humour. It is just
in the UK we have a aerosol spray that you spray on your private regions for
certain times of the "month" and it is called "Femme Fresh". Every time I
see your nick, it gives me a little giggle.
:)
xxx
FemmeFrets wrote in message
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:)
Sylvian and look around the shop dazed when you say "he used to be with
Japan". I get so embarrassed and feel soooo old now!
:)
klemm herr wrote in message
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FemmeFrets
in the UK we have a aerosol spray that you spray on your private regions for
certain times of the "month" and it is called "Femme Fresh". Every time I
see your nick, it gives me a little giggle.>>
LOL!!! That is priceless! I collect little 'me' related oddities to sit
around my computer (have some action figures and other ridiculous things on
here now) and I am SO tempted to send the equivalent of a price of one of those
specimens over!!
Thanks for giving me the best giggle I've had all day!!
Tenchi...@webtv.net
started out trying to sound like a cross between the Sex Pistols and
Chic, and the fact that they have done an entire covers album plus many
other covers, no one can say that they are a group who are afraid to
name their influences. And isn't it funny that I can't remember ever
having seen Japan listed amongst them. I can't claim to know too much
about Japan's music, but I've heard at least four songs, and have never
been motivated to search out more. You can say whatever you want about
Duran Duran, they can take it. That's what they've been doing for about
twenty years now. I believe that the original poster in this thread
stated that "Planet Earth" sounded a lot like "Quiet Life"? Well
according to the chart information I've got right here in front of me,
"Quiet Life" entered the UK charts on 19 September, 1981. Guess when
"Planet Earth" entered the chart? 21 February, same year. Oopsie.
Lamya2
>"Quiet Life" entered the UK charts on 19 September, 1981. Guess when
>"Planet Earth" entered the chart? 21 February, same year. Oopsie.
>
Ho hum. Not this again. Get all of your facts together. The year Japan's
"Quiet Life" album was recorded was in 1979!! It was released in 1980. Now,
maybe the single didnt chart until the year after.
And, Nick Rhodes has stated several times in old interviews that Japan was
one of thier influences. He also played them during his Guest VJ spot on MTV,
calling them one of his favorite bands, or somthing to that effect. He
wouldnt have played them if he didnt like them. Can we stop this now? They
are both great bands and I'm proud to be a huge fan of both.
Lam...@aol.com
Donald Weisneck
Donald Weisneck
influenced by CHIC AND ROXY MUSIC, and last JAPAN SUCKS!!
deena...@kzepmail.com
TheA...@webtv.net (Donald Weisneck) wrote:
> WHATEVER!!!! the best band is the world is ECHO AND THE BUNNYMEN!!!!
lol...no, it was THE SMITHS!!!!!!!!!! oh, i kill myself!!!!!!! btw -- i love
the smiths, yes, so i was just kidding above -- but the best band in the
world is truly duran duran.
(what a first posting to this newsgroup....)
deena lissa
Lamya2
>influenced by CHIC AND ROXY MUSIC, and last JAPAN SUCKS!!
>
what are you so upset about? No one is dissing Roxy! Roxy's great! Japan is
great! Although Bryan's stuff is getting rather dry these days...
Lam...@aol.com
:)
did the Tellytubbies copy Duran Duran, lol
deena...@kzepmail.com wrote in message
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angela crosby
tin drum(last japan studio album)charted #4
last sylvian album reached top ten
yes all foreign sales.
rain tree crow reached top 20 in 91...hmm duran had liberty and well ,i
think you know what that did.
how is 91' living in the early 80's??
Didn't "Violence of Summer" hit #1 in Italy?
"If I have to be in Gotham City... then be no other than Batman."
-Peter Murphy-
:)
thread in the UK?
:)
angela crosby wrote in message
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FemmeFrets
<<is there a guinness book of records for the longest and now most boring
thread in the UK?
:)
>>
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!
Eugene Morin
:)
lol
:)
Eugene Morin wrote in message ...
>This is quite boring.
>
>
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