"Smooth Dancer" and "King of Dreams"
Lawrence King
that they've gone through the unimpressive albums and picked out the
best songs -- since I never bothered to pick up "House of Blue Light"
etc., that suits me just fine!
Anyway, not looking for flames. Have a question. According to the
booklet, "Smooth Dancer" was Ian Gillan's criticism of Blackmore, and
then "King of Dreams" was Blackmore's (or Turner's?) response to "Smooth
Dancer", some 18 years later.
Did Blackmore learn that "Smooth Dancer" was about him before Gillan
left the band? Does anyone know any stories about this? The booklet
talks as if this is a "commonly-known story", but I just looked through
Deja News and didn't see any mention of this. I've heard stories of
Blackmore's tantrums -- demanding that the other four stay off "his
side" of the stage, etc. -- but I didn't know about these two songs.
Back to listening to the box. "Sail Away"..... wow! And I used to
think "Stormbringer" was the only good track that Mark III cut.....
Larry King
univ of washington
http://www.math.washington.edu/~lking/musiclinks.html
Vicstanley
>>left the band? Does anyone know any stories about this?
Ian talked about this in his book Child in Time. I don't think Ritchie knew it
was about him while the Mark II band was still together. If he did it was
another reason for him to quit to form Rainbow and for all the lingering
animosity today.
EdCoury
Unless RB has an IQ of 50, he OBVIOUSLY caught the Smooth Dancer references --
or at least wondered about them! PLEASE! The song is as subtle as a
sledgehammer!
----------------------------------------------
" ...and if you hear me talking on the wind,
you've got to understand, we must remain:
Perfect Strangers..."
David Meadows
Lawrence King wrote in message <37775454...@chronology.org>...
>Anyway, not looking for flames. Have a question. According to the
>booklet, "Smooth Dancer" was Ian Gillan's criticism of Blackmore, and
>then "King of Dreams" was Blackmore's (or Turner's?) response to "Smooth
>Dancer", some 18 years later.
King of Dreams? I don't see where this theory comes from.
I have heard the "Smooth Dancer" story, and even before I heard it I had a
sneaking suspicion that the lyrics referred to a certain guitar player.
But King of Dreams? Nope, I never saw any hidden meaning here. Even playing
the tape again now, I still don't see it.
--David
"No matter what we get out of this, I know we'll never forget"
Ian Gillan, "Smoke on the Water"
Lawrence King
LK >> According to the booklet, "Smooth Dancer" was Ian Gillan's
LK >> criticism of Blackmore, and then "King of Dreams" was
LK >> Blackmore's (or Turner's?) response to "Smooth Dancer"....
>> But King of Dreams? Nope, I never saw any hidden meaning here.
>> Even playing the tape again now, I still don't see it.
Seriously?
It doesn't matter if I'm right or wrong,
It really doesn't mean a thing.
It doesn't matter if you like my song,
As long as you can really sing!
Cause all around me is mystery and wonder....
I'll crack the sky, make you feel the thunder [Stormbringer!]
You'll never see through my disguise
I'm a real smooth dancer, I'm a fantasy man.....
King of dreams.
That doesn't sound like Blackmore responding to "Smooth Dancer"?
I'd like to see the whole lyrics to these.... not all the lyrics to
"Dancer" are clear. But even just repeating the words "smooth dancer"
would be odd, if it was already common knowledge in 1990 that the
original had been an attack on Blackmore.
DShezza
>--
>or at least wondered about them! PLEASE! The song is as subtle as a
>sledgehammer!
maybe so but hasn't RB gone on record as saying he doesn't know/care what the
lyrics are? I realize that clashes with what we know of DC and RJD and IG's
story about TBRO but maybe it was true in 73 when he couldn't stand IG?? I
think Eddie Van Halen has said likewise about Roth's lyrics - he didn't really
know or care what they were...
DS
"Mind, Body, Heart & Soul...we've got Rock & Roll...and there's nothing they
can do"
David Meadows
Lawrence King wrote in message <3778310E...@chronology.org>...
>
> It doesn't matter if I'm right or wrong,
> It really doesn't mean a thing.
> It doesn't matter if you like my song,
> As long as you can really sing!
I hear it as: "As long as you can HEAR ME sing", which makes it a totally
different meaning.
> Cause all around me is mystery and wonder....
> I'll crack the sky, make you feel the thunder [Stormbringer!]
Ohhh... that seems like a bit a of a stretch. And anyway, Gillan didn't
write or perform Stormbringer.
>That doesn't sound like Blackmore responding to "Smooth Dancer"?
Nope. sorry ;-)
lvc...@my-deja.com
'Rainbow-sounding' tune of Turner. I do see your point, but I am of the
opinion that it is co-incidence (unless Turner had a beef w/Gillan as
well, which I am not aware that he had...)
MJL
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
Doug MacBeath
<da...@no.spam.here.uk> wrote:
>
>Lawrence King wrote in message <37775454...@chronology.org>...
>>Anyway, not looking for flames. Have a question. According to the
>>booklet, "Smooth Dancer" was Ian Gillan's criticism of Blackmore, and
>>then "King of Dreams" was Blackmore's (or Turner's?) response to "Smooth
>>Dancer", some 18 years later.
>
>
>King of Dreams? I don't see where this theory comes from.
>
>I have heard the "Smooth Dancer" story, and even before I heard it I had a
>sneaking suspicion that the lyrics referred to a certain guitar player.
>
>But King of Dreams? Nope, I never saw any hidden meaning here. Even playing
>the tape again now, I still don't see it.
Apparently JLT took pleasure in in mentioning this in a number of
interviews during the release of S&M. The only link I can see is the
line
'You're a real smooth dancer, you're a fantasy man'.
Off course, even knowing that the song is about IG doesn't mean that
the lyrics make sense, unlike Smooth Dancer itself ;-)
Cheers
Doug
EdCoury
>opinion that it is co-incidence (unless >Turner had a beef w/Gillan as
>well, which I am not aware that he had...)
>MJL
The idiot has referred to singing MKII Purple as singing other people's
"drivel",
and saying he didn't want to talk about Ian because he didn't want to speak ill
of
the dead (after starting his sthort-lived stint with Purple)
Kyle Jones
song. Most of the lyrics for S&M have been said to be written by
Turner/Glover, and I doubt Roger would have taken a cheap shot at Gillan.
- Kyle
brian
sounding like MAN ON THE SILVER MT............
actually---it not only sounds like that,but also that riff--in a mutated
form-but still DIAD-2 note-CHORDS--is used on ---
1-SMOKE on the WATER
2-ALL NIGHT LONG
3-BURN
4-MISS MISTREATED
5-KNOCKIN AT YOUR BACKDOOR......
this is one of blackmores trademarks!!!!!!!!
regards--brian
-**** Posted from RemarQ, http://www.remarq.com/?c ****-
Search and Read Usenet Discussions in your Browser
MikeY
> ok...about the comment at the beginning of this thread about SAIL AWAY
> sounding like MAN ON THE SILVER MT............
>
Yes I think it is very similar, but if memory serves me, SA was in the key
of "E" and MOTSM was in the ever popular "G".
> actually---it not only sounds like that,but also that riff--in a mutated
> form-but still DIAD-2 note-CHORDS--is used on ---
>
> 1-SMOKE on the WATER
> 2-ALL NIGHT LONG
> 3-BURN
> 4-MISS MISTREATED
> 5-KNOCKIN AT YOUR BACKDOOR.....
SKOW and 16th Century GS are also the same except for the timing. I am
sure if i sat here and used my toasted little brain there would be scads
more. This is not an unusual thig though. Uriah Sheep did the samething (D
was their favorite key).
MikeY
A COLD VERNORS AND A HOT VOX! WHAT MORE COULD A GUY AXE FOR??
WEB PAGE: www.concentric.net/~mikekeo/
FBelt39867
The idiot has referred to singing MKII Purple as singing other people's
"drivel",
and saying he didn't want to talk about Ian because he didn't want to speak ill
of
the dead (after starting his sthort-lived stint with Purple)
----------------------------------------------
I seem to remember right before Joe said that comment, he said "Ian Gillan is a
great artist"
Plenty of JLT bashers seem to nitpick every little comment he makes and blow it
out of proportion.
I'd always heard that JLT has a great amount of admiration and respect for
Gillan. He's obviously heavily influenced by him.
Getting back to the question at hand; Given the fact there are so many glaring
mistakes in the DP Boxed Set liner notes, I'd say this may be yet another about
comparing KOD and Smooth Dancer.
Aloha,
Frank.
DShezza
Gillan.
nitpicking or not, his attitude was all wrong for the job...in fact, HE was all
wrong for the job. There are other jobs for JLT - hell, he should've been the
replacement singer in Foreigner but I think he joined DP right at that time. I
recall him on Letterman backing up Mick Jones when MJ was promoting a solo
album that JLT had written and sung a bit on - no true frontman, he (JLT)...all
he was missing was the slinky dress to complete the backup singer look. Then,
MJ restarted Foreigner (since his solo album stiffed) without Lou Gramm - JLT
was MADE for that gig but (I think) he missed out b/c he had joined DP already.
>He's obviously heavily influenced by him.
as in, he'd like to be half the singer/persona that Gillan is? I hear no
Gillan in JLT - none at all. So therefore I detect no influence - am I, as you
suggest, overlooking the obvious? Or, do you mean to say that Gillan's shadow
was always influencing JLT's position - be it in Rainbow or Deep Rainbow. I
can't recall EVER hearing worse versions of SOTW than when JLT sang it with
Rainbow...and that goes for that schmaltzy recorded version DP played over the
PA after their set on the 98 US tour...
black...@my-deja.com
macb...@mRuEsMeOuVmE.u-net.com (Doug MacBeath) wrote:
Key point: The lyric is actually "I'M a real smooth dancer, I'M a
fantasy man"... i.e., Turner in his usual "hey girls it's all about Me"
mode. If I thought any differently-- that he was appropriating the
whole black suede thing for himself-- I'd be changing my screen name
REAL FAST :-D
Mark.
--
"...the deep-purple rumble of a great diesel engine in perfect health."
Kurt Vonnegut
---Deep Purple oddbits: http://members.tripod.com/~blksuede/oddbits.htm
Brad DeMoranville
>
> Ed wrote:
>
> The idiot has referred to singing MKII Purple as singing other people's
> "drivel",
> and saying he didn't want to talk about Ian because he didn't want to speak ill
> of
> the dead (after starting his sthort-lived stint with Purple)
> ----------------------------------------------
>
> I seem to remember right before Joe said that comment, he said "Ian Gillan is a
> great artist"
>
> Plenty of JLT bashers seem to nitpick every little comment he makes and blow it
> out of proportion.
The sad thing is, you don't need to blow them out of proportion. I hope
he likes the taste of his own foot, because it's a regular diet.
> I'd always heard that JLT has a great amount of admiration and respect for
> Gillan. He's obviously heavily influenced by him.
>
> Getting back to the question at hand; Given the fact there are so many glaring
> mistakes in the DP Boxed Set liner notes, I'd say this may be yet another about
> comparing KOD and Smooth Dancer.
>
It's a stretch, for sure.
Bye!
Brad
*TeRRy*
fbelt...@aol.com (FBelt39867) wrote:
>
>I'd always heard that JLT has a great amount of admiration and respect for
>Gillan. He's obviously heavily influenced by him.
I also have heard that JLT has a great amount of admiration and respect
for RONNIE JAMES DIO. He's obviously heavily influenced by him.....butt
can NOT come close to doing DIO any proper service....because JLT SUX!!!
***DIO RULES***
TeRRy
--
---
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
The lover of life`s not a sinner
The ending is just a beginner
The closer you get to the meaning
The sooner you know that you`re dreaming
***Ronnie James Dio***
+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+=+
call me Scoot
<< ***DIO RULES***>>
Is He still alive????
Seriously, The Dio era of Rainbow, with Carey on keys, Bain on bass (sorry
roger) & Powell on drums is my favorite line-up. I'm sorry that, for whatever
reason, it could last longer. I've heard stories about the shake-up, but I'm
not in the mood to start a flame war pissing contest ove it...
...it continues.
Scoot
Remember: It costs you nothing to laugh....
Bolinhed
>Gillan. He's obviously heavily influenced by him.>>
Could you cite some examples where JLT shows his Gillan influence? I'm being
curious not critical. I cannot think of any. Jim
JGibbes
edc...@aol.comNOSPAM (EdCoury) writes:
>Unless RB has an IQ of 50, he OBVIOUSLY caught the Smooth Dancer references
I'm sure Blackers would have understood the lyrics if he'd heard them.There's a
good chance he never did.The vocals were laid down after the instumental track
was completed and RB has never been keen on listening to his own stuff.
EdCoury
>Could you cite some examples where
> JLT shows his Gillan influence? I'm being
>curious not critical. I cannot think of any. >Jim
Sure. ian once stuck a flaming newspaper in his ass. JLT is a flaming ass****.
Hope this helps :-)
Alistair Robertson
Dancer was about. Even with my own band I don't really pay attention to what the
singer sings (unless he's talking about "the smiling face of god" or something
equally asinine). He probably just didn't care....