Rainbow: Weiss Heim ???
Frank-Oliver Malisch
just another Deep Purple/Rainbow question:
In the early eighties RB did two instrumentals
"Weiss Heim" with Rainbow in 1981
and
"Son of Aleric" with DP in 1984
Given the fact that most Rainbow stuff was
pure fantasy in the lyrics department,
I still can't even get an idea of
what "Weiss Heim" is supposed to mean.
What about "Son of Aleric" ?
Any sense in asking about the semantics
of these two titles ?
Thanks in advance
Frank-Oliver
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<f...@mchp.siemens.de> wrote:
>Hi,
>
>just another Deep Purple/Rainbow question:
>
>In the early eighties RB did two instrumentals
>"Weiss Heim" with Rainbow in 1981
>"Son of Aleric" with DP in 1984
>Given the fact that most Rainbow stuff was
>pure fantasy in the lyrics department,
>I still can't even get an idea of
>what "Weiss Heim" is supposed to mean.
>What about "Son of Aleric" ?
I am confused? Are you german? If so I don't understand your question.
You say you don't know what "Weiss Heim" is supposed to mean.. but
Weiss Heim is german for "White Home", or maybe "White House".
On the other hand, if you're asking about the origin of the title,
then I don't know.
He also wrote another intsrumental entitled "Veilleicht das Nachster
Zeit", with Rainbow, which again is german, for "Maybe Next Time".
I apologize if you know it all already, but that's what I figured you
wanted to know, from your post.
Roberto Minotti, a regular poster here, once wrote a very complete and
interesting post about the meaning of Son of Alerik, in the beginning
of march of this year. You can find it on any news archive, such as
dejanews (www.deja.com)
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somewhere in New England), I used to know what "Son Of Alerik" meant,
but memory fails me now.
Scott
Frank-Oliver Malisch wrote:
> Hi,
>
> just another Deep Purple/Rainbow question:
>
> In the early eighties RB did two instrumentals
>
> "Weiss Heim" with Rainbow in 1981
>
> and
>
> "Son of Aleric" with DP in 1984
>
> Given the fact that most Rainbow stuff was
> pure fantasy in the lyrics department,
> I still can't even get an idea of
> what "Weiss Heim" is supposed to mean.
> What about "Son of Aleric" ?
>
Fayvivian
>somewhere in New England), I used to know what "Son Of Alerik" meant,
>but memory fails me now.
>
> Scott
I thought his house was "Minstrel Hall"..???
Lenore
D. P. Roberts
>what "Weiss Heim" is supposed to mean.
It's German. Weiss = white, so the title of the song
is, of course, "White Heim."
wmfkaf
Scott Bailey wrote:
> "Weiss Heim" is Ritchie's home in Conneticuit, (I believe? It's
> somewhere in New England), I used to know what "Son Of Alerik" meant,
> but memory fails me now.
>
> Scott
>
> Frank-Oliver Malisch wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > just another Deep Purple/Rainbow question:
> >
> > In the early eighties RB did two instrumentals
> >
> > "Weiss Heim" with Rainbow in 1981
> >
> > and
> >
> > "Son of Aleric" with DP in 1984
> >
> > Given the fact that most Rainbow stuff was
> > pure fantasy in the lyrics department,
> > I still can't even get an idea of
> > what "Weiss Heim" is supposed to mean.
DShezza
yeah, but he sold it and moved back into the house he owned previously and his
girlfriend and her mother (both younger than him) moved in with him...once a
month, they call this place "pre-Menstrual Hell"....
lame, but a few beers made it seem funny...
DS
"Mind, Body, Heart & Soul...we've got Rock & Roll...and there's nothing they
can do"
Stephan Haser
>
> >"Weiss Heim" with Rainbow in 1981
>
Wiessheim infact was the b-side if the 7" single "All Night Long", the all time low point of Rainbow... so it was released for the first time in 1979. I remember that so well, because I was in England at the time DTE came out. Saw the cover in a London shop, got crazy, saw Roger's name
under the Bass-department, and "I thought what is this?", and finally saw that Dio wasn't there, and down we went...
But the instrumental is awesome! Still! But I prefer "maybe Next Time" and "Anybody There". And the high-point in this series of slow pieces is "Wasted Sunsets", with Blackers in a similar mood.
> You say you don't know what "Weiss Heim" is supposed to mean.. but
> Weiss Heim is german for "White Home", or maybe "White House".
So Blacker's name is "Bill Blackmore"? Candice! Don't throw away your dress! Don't even wash it!
>
> He also wrote another intsrumental entitled "Veilleicht das Nachster
> Zeit", with Rainbow, which again is german, for "Maybe Next Time".
Well, sort of...
It's a computer like word-by-word translation for "Maybe Next Time", but time here has a different meaning than "time" in for example the Pink Floyd title "Time" has. It should read:
" Vielleicht das naechste Mal" (ae= a-dot-dot, German "Umlaut", doesn't work in every text file...)
Very unimportant, but...
Cheers,
Stephan
David Meadows
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> >I still can't even get an idea of
>
> It's German. Weiss = white, so the title of the song
> is, of course, "White Heim."
Uh... sure... you sure it isn't "Weiss Home" ?
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Harry Teratoma
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ger. zeit) - and not - the next time (re-occurence ger. mal) ?
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Stephan Haser <stepha...@rodenstock.de> skrev i
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>
>
> >
> > >"Weiss Heim" with Rainbow in 1981
> >
>
> Wiessheim infact was the b-side if the 7" single "All Night Long", the all
time low point of Rainbow... so it was released for the first time in 1979.
I remember that so well, because I was in England at the time DTE came out.
Saw the cover in a London shop, got crazy, saw Roger's name
> under the Bass-department, and "I thought what is this?", and finally saw
that Dio wasn't there, and down we went...
>
> But the instrumental is awesome! Still! But I prefer "maybe Next Time" and
"Anybody There". And the high-point in this series of slow pieces is "Wasted
Sunsets", with Blackers in a similar mood.
>
> > You say you don't know what "Weiss Heim" is supposed to mean.. but
>
> > Weiss Heim is german for "White Home", or maybe "White House".
>
> So Blacker's name is "Bill Blackmore"? Candice! Don't throw away your
dress! Don't even wash it!
>
> >
> > He also wrote another intsrumental entitled "Veilleicht das Nachster
> > Zeit", with Rainbow, which again is german, for "Maybe Next Time".
>
B.
Mathieu schrieb:
>
>
> I am confused? Are you german? If so I don't understand your question.
>
> You say you don't know what "Weiss Heim" is supposed to mean.. but
> Weiss Heim is german for "White Home", or maybe "White House".
>
In my opinion, to translate "Weiss Heim" in "White House" does not make any sence (White Houes = Weisses Haus). To me "Weiss Heim" or "Weissheim" sounds like the name of a town or village.
Greetings,
Bernd
Stephan Haser
Harry Teratoma schrieb:
> If I'm remembering my high school German correctly, "ein mal" meant "one more". So is the correct English translation Perhaps The Next One?
Harry!
I'm sorry, but "einmal" translates into "once" meaning "one instance" (not: "once" in "once upon a long ago"...)
"Perhaps The Next One" would translate into "Vielleicht der/die/das Naechste".
(masculin/feminin/neutral article)
Oh dammit, here we see why translation are VERY likely to fail.... :-)
But Karin-KLM posted an interesting thought in reply t my previous post!
Cheers,
Stephan
Stephan Haser
B. schrieb:
>
> In my opinion, to translate "Weiss Heim" in "White House" does not make any sence (White Houes = Weisses Haus). To me "Weiss Heim" or "Weissheim" sounds like the name of a town or village.
>
I really MUST take a look at my single collection. As far as I remember there IS however a picture of the band with GB wearing sun glasses an all standing in front of a building all painted in
white, but then, why should Blackers live in such a house?!? ;-)
What puzzles me is that on FV it is stated that Weiss Heim (on the single they call it "Weissheim")
is from 1981, when I know for sure it's the B-side to All Night Long. But that's released 1979, or is it a later release of ANL with a new different B-side (namely Weissheim)? But why re-release
such crap on A with such a wonderful piece on B?
Unbelievable, but ANL on the single is even more primitive drum-wise than the LP version. They must have thought that this is more radio-play-format, or what?
Cheers
Stephan
Off topic:
Now waiting for the Oktoberfest-visit!
Roberto Minotti
> On the other hand, if you're asking about the origin of the title,
> then I don't know.
Weiss Heim is the name of Richie's house, in Long Island (Queens) - USA.
Weiss Heim can be translate in this case in : House of the happiness
(not white house)
This german name is given by Blackmore in "souvenir" of the year he
stayed in Hamburg - Germany, because in England, they were no jobs for
guitar players, only for singers (dixit Richie in an interview). I think
it was in 1966 (I don't remember the exactly year, readers with much
memory than me can correct this date). Richie was in Hamburg when he
encounters "Babe", a german girl, that became his girl friend (and maybe
after his wife). But some years after, he quits Babe for a younger girl.
Men are stupids !
During his german period, Blackmore played in clubs, for some artists.
And one of this artists was Jerry Lee Lewis.
> Roberto Minotti, a regular poster here, once wrote a very complete and
> interesting post about the meaning of Son of Alerik,
Totally agree with you, Mathieu ;-)
> in the beginning
> of march of this year. You can find it on any news archive, such as
> dejanews (www.deja.com)
>
> This link might work :
http://x40.deja.com/viewthread.xp?AN=473585759&search=thread&svcclass=dn
server&ST=PS&CONTEXT=937855492.765460499&HIT_CONTEXT=937855492.765460499
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Fayvivian
> But why re-release
>such crap on A with such a wonderful piece on B?
>Unbelievable, but ANL on the single is even more primitive drum-wise than the
>LP version. They must have thought that this is more radio-play-format, or
>what?
>
>Cheers
>Stephan
>
>Off topic:
>Now waiting for the Oktoberfest-visit!
>
:( I really like All Night Long. Maybe you have to be a girl with a
massive crush on RB & a vivid imagination to like it. ;)
Lenore
JGibbes
<stepha...@rodenstock.de> writes:
>What puzzles me is that on FV it is stated that Weiss Heim (on the single they
>call it "Weissheim") is from 1981, when I know for sure it's the B-side to All
Night >Long. But that's released 1979, or is it a later release of ANL with a
new different
>B-side (namely Weissheim)? But why re-release such crap on A with such a
>wonderful piece on B?
All Night Long / Weiss Heim was released in February 1980,although the Down To
Earth album had come out in August 1979.They put ANL on the A because they knew
it could be another big hit like SYBG.It was an extremely sad day when Mr B.
realised that you can make more money out of SYBG and ANL than out of stuff
like Weissheim or Gates Of Babylon and I expect many of us wonder what might
have been if this had never dawned on him.
*TeRRy*
fayv...@aol.com (Fayvivian) wrote:
>> But why re-release
>>such crap on A with such a wonderful piece on B?
>>Unbelievable, but ANL on the single is even more primitive drum-wise than the
>>LP version. They must have thought that this is more radio-play-format, or
>>what?
>>
>>Cheers
>>Stephan
>>
>>Off topic:
>>Now waiting for the Oktoberfest-visit!
>>
>
> :( I really like All Night Long. Maybe you have to be a girl with a
>massive crush on RB & a vivid imagination to like it. ;)
>Lenore
Lenore <---SOUNDS like a GIRL???
Nuff Said.....ŚCept that:
jlt SUX!!!
ALWAYS did
ALWAYS WILL!!!
ALWAYS SUX!!!
TeRRy
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DShezza
>ALWAYS did
>ALWAYS WILL!!!
>ALWAYS SUX!!!
I don't like JLT either but our resident idiot savant Terry seems to be
confused again - JLT had nothing to do with All Night Long (except he butchered
that one live also, I believe). Surely, Terry, U R nOt B-inG StOOpId, are ye?
Stephan Haser
> >
>
> :( I really like All Night Long. Maybe you have to be a girl with a
> massive crush on RB & a vivid imagination to like it. ;)
> Lenore
Sorry, Lenore, no insult intended, could be that, since I'm German the lyrics
don't get too straight into my mind. But I related to the whole song music-wise.
It's IMVHO hard-rock-hit-parade cliche boiled down to the very minimum...And , I'm
a man and who am I to argue about a girl's feelings when her superstar (or at
least the singer in his band) sings "I wanna love you all night long", well. But I
would just wonder a little at the point where he sings "don't know about your
brain but you look alright", if I recall correctly ;-)
Cheers
Stephan
Stephan Haser
*TeRRy* schrieb:
> In article <19990922142325...@ng-da1.aol.com>,
> fayv...@aol.com (Fayvivian) wrote:
>
> >> :( I really like All Night Long. Maybe you have to be a girl with a
> >massive crush on RB & a vivid imagination to like it. ;)
> >Lenore
>
> Lenore <---SOUNDS like a GIRL???
> Nuff Said.....ŚCept that:
> jlt SUX!!!
> ALWAYS did
> ALWAYS WILL!!!
> ALWAYS SUX!!!
>
> TeRRy
>
Errm, what does jlt have to do with this? And what is he sucking on right now, on
what before, and on what in the future? Or could it be that Terry forgot that is
was NOT jlt who sang that song in the first place? Unforgivable!
Stephan
Killans - First And Last And Always
Stephan Haser <stepha...@rodenstock.de> wrote:
>
>But I
>would just wonder a little at the point where he sings "don't know about your
>brain but you look alright", if I recall correctly ;-)
Heh... that has to be one of the most gleefully, unrepentantly sexist
lyrics I've ever heard in a song! Surely they must have been taking
the piss? Especially with the gratuitous dancing girl in the video...
Mike
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Mark Orchard-Webb
*TeRRy* <macv...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>In article <19990922142325...@ng-da1.aol.com>,
>fayv...@aol.com (Fayvivian) wrote:
>> :( I really like All Night Long. Maybe you have to be a girl with a
>>massive crush on RB & a vivid imagination to like it. ;)
>>Lenore
>
>Lenore <---SOUNDS like a GIRL???
Excellent deduction Holmes! On further inspection, we can observe
that Lenore may well own a vivid imagination, perhaps even a massive
crush on Blackers. This may be why you wrote
>Nuff Said.....ŚCept that:
That's not jealousy rearing it's ugly head is it?
>jlt SUX!!!
Look, JLT gets the ultimate put down ... he has NO UpPeRcAsE letters
in his name, even Morse and Gillan get caps.
Mark
Mark Orchard-Webb
>minimum...And , I'm
>a man and who am I to argue about a girl's feelings when her superstar (or at
>least the singer in his band) sings "I wanna love you all night long",
>would just wonder a little at the point where he sings "don't know about your
>brain but you look alright", if I recall correctly ;-)
I remember as a young teenager being very confused by the part
``You're kinda young, but you're over age'' Couldn't for the life of
me figure out what that meant, unless it was some mystical ageless
quality. Ah, the disillusionment that comes with age :)
Mark
David Meadows
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Alternate reality time...
ok, Ritchie doesn't decides integrity is more important than money. He never
hires Turner. Rainbow never get a hit single. Ritchie runs out of money. He
is forced, for financial reasons, to re-form Deep Purple in 1981. They
release 2 smash albums in 81 and 84. Ritchie fires Gillan in 86. They don't
have a replacement (Ritchie never knew Turner, remember).
Amazingly, over in Whitesnake, David Coverdale never recorded Slide It In.
You see, Jon Lord quit the band and Coverdale decided on a more MTV-friendly
Approach. Unfortunately, MTV was not yet a big influence on the music scene
and Coverdale was overlooked and washed up and forgotten by 1986. So Ritchie
hired him for Deep Purple Mk 5 in 1986. The release the very poorly received
"Slaves and Love Women" and fans howl for Coverdale's blood after hearing
his puerile stage banter. Record company execs force Ritchie to hire Gillan
again in 1987. Coverdale is fired but meets brilliant guitar player Steve
Morse. Morse has perfected a style of guitar playing that drives 80s hard
rock fans wild. They record the hugely successful "1987" as "Coverdale
Morse" and go on to become the biggest grossing act of all time.
Deep Purple record one more poorly received album, Ritchie quits in 1988,
and they replace him with Yngwie Malmsteen at the suggestion of their
Japanese promoter...
And so it continues...
What was that about butterfly wings?
What am I talking about???? Ahh... it's been a long day... see you all at
the concerto :-)
Fayvivian
>don't get too straight into my mind. But I related to the whole song
>music-wise.
>, I'm
>a man and who am I to argue about a girl's feelings when her superstar (or at
>least the singer in his band) sings "I wanna love you all night long", well.
>But I
>would just wonder a little at the point where he sings "don't know about your
>brain but you look alright", if I recall correctly ;-)
>
>Stephan
But isn't a "hard rock cliche" really good every now & then. Speaking
personally, I'd much rather listen to songs like ANL, Hard Lovin' Man (yes, I
know.. different bands, but both with RB & RG), or...??? I guess DP didn't
write very many sexy songs, did they? RG-Work on this!!
Lenore
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DShezza <dsh...@aol.com> skrev i
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> I don't like JLT either but our resident idiot savant Terry seems to be
> confused again - > DS
>
Can anybody remind me - what in TeRRy's behaviour is 'savant' ?
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the singer in his band) sings "I wanna love you all night long", well.
> >But I
> >would just wonder a little at the point where he sings "don't know about
your
> >brain but you look alright", if I recall correctly ;-)
> >
> >Cheers
> >Stephan
>
> But isn't a "hard rock cliche" really good every now & then. Speaking
> personally, I'd much rather listen to songs like ANL, Hard Lovin' Man
(yes, I
> know.. different bands, but both with RB & RG), or...??? I guess DP
didn't
> write very many sexy songs, did they? RG-Work on this!!
> Lenore
Sexy, sexist at times, and songs anout sex, w. DP:
Mitzy Dupree
Unwritten Law
SKOW
A touch away - that shady lady thing sort pf puts me of though ;-)
amongst others
JGibbes
And Last And Always) writes:
>Heh... that has to be one of the most gleefully, unrepentantly sexist
>lyrics I've ever heard in a song! Surely they must have been taking
>the piss?
No,the winner is Gillan with "I need a woman.She's got to have handles on her
hips,sugar on her lips,great big tits".Now he DID sound like he was taking the
piss. On the other hand Mr Coverdale's "Would I lie to you just to get in your
pants?I think so" sounded very sadly as if he was taking himself very
seriously.
*TeRRy*
<stepha...@rodenstock.de> wrote:
>*TeRRy* schrieb:
>
>> In article <19990922142325...@ng-da1.aol.com>,
>> fayv...@aol.com (Fayvivian) wrote:
>>
>> >> :( I really like All Night Long. Maybe you have to be a girl with a
>> >massive crush on RB & a vivid imagination to like it. ;)
>> >Lenore
>>
>> Lenore <---SOUNDS like a GIRL???
>> Nuff Said.....ŚCept that:
>> jlt SUX!!!
>> ALWAYS did
>> ALWAYS WILL!!!
>> ALWAYS SUX!!!
>>
>> TeRRy
>>
>
>Errm, what does jlt have to do with this? And what is he sucking on right
now, on
>what before, and on what in the future? Or could it be that Terry forgot
that is
>was NOT jlt who sang that song in the first place? Unforgivable!
>
>Stephan
I did NOT say he sang it....
I just said he SUX!!!
*TeRRy*
SP...@swipnet.se> wrote:
>DShezza <dsh...@aol.com> skrev i
>diskussionsgruppsmeddelandet:19990923023102...@ng-fl1.aol.com...
>> I don't like JLT either but our resident idiot savant Terry seems to be
>> confused again - > DS
>>
>
>Can anybody remind me - what in TeRRy's behaviour is 'savant' ?
>
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orc...@ugrad.physics.mcgill.ca (Mark Orchard-Webb) wrote:
>>jlt SUX!!!
>
>Look, JLT gets the ultimate put down ... he has NO UpPeRcAsE letters
>in his name, even Morse and Gillan get caps.
>
>Mark
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