In article <199806101611...@ladder01.news.aol.com>, dr...@aol.com
(Dr Jex) writes:
>>his website:
>>http://powered.cs.yale.edu:8000/~haines/dicksmith.html
>>contains Bruce Dickinson (former lead singer for Iron Maiden) singing Perfect
>>Strangers along with Dream Theater playing
>A better idea : the CD Perfect Strangers contains Ian Gillan singing Perfect
>Strangers along with Deep Purple playing.
I will second that.
I visited my old hometown Gothenburg the other day and made a point in going
to some record shops. (Where I live we don't get many of them.) A few friends
of mine talked about Dream Theatre and their covers so I figured I have a
listen. This coveralbum also had a version of Elton John's "Funeral for a
friend" (my all time fave of his) followed by Love lies bleeding and Perfect
Strangers. All three versions had me running to the CD stands to get the
original versions and repair the damage. I ended up buying "Yellow Brick
Road" The DP Perfect Stranger CD is already in my posession.
Tatti
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> A few friends
> of mine talked about Dream Theatre and their covers so I figured I have a
> listen. This coveralbum also had a version of Elton John's "Funeral for a
> friend" (my all time fave of his) followed by Love lies bleeding and Perfect
> Strangers. All three versions had me running to the CD stands to get the
> original versions and repair the damage. I ended up buying "Yellow Brick
> Road" The DP Perfect Stranger CD is already in my posession.
Well, I didn't think they were *bad*, but now that you've brought it up
I realized I haven't played that DT thing more than once.
Yers,
John
Hoping the posts I made in the past few days (from home) eventually show
up!
I quite liked it. PS was a bit dull (in comparision), but I liked their
takes on the Zep stuff (Achilles Last Stand especially)
--
Kev
>
> I quite liked it. PS was a bit dull (in comparision), but I liked their
> takes on the Zep stuff (Achilles Last Stand especially)
> --
> Kev
Hmm...bit frantic but a good effort. I actually liked the slightly
unlikely choice of PF's 'In the Flesh', but each to their own.
What the hell? I liked Dream Theater's version better. Hell, Bruce
Dickinson's version was the best. Bruce Dickinson can sing a LOT better than
Ian Gillan.
Dr J...@aol.com OR Dr...@juno.com
http://www.integritytech.com/daniel.html
I hope you have a flame suit ready.
Boy, this takes balls. LOL
Tommy Hittmann
I can name a few reasons why Bruce can sing better. First of all, Bruce has a
better range than Ian does. Also, if you're comparing the high notes, Bruce
can hit them better. Thirdly, Bruce's voice has more variety. I'm not trying
to pound on Ian, I'm just making a point here.
>>I hope you have a flame suit ready.
>>Boy, this takes balls. LOL
>I can name a few reasons why Bruce can sing better.
>First of all, Bruce has better range than Ian does. Also,
>if you're comparing the high notes, Bruce can hit them
>better. Thirdly, Bruce's voice has more variety.
Today? or 20 years ago? In his prime Ian was UNTOUCHABLE on all
counts.....absolutely. And he's not too shabby these days. either ;-)
----------------------------------------------
" ...and if you hear me talking on the wind,
you've got to understand, we must remain:
Perfect Strangers..."
> Dickinson's version was the best. Bruce Dickinson can sing a LOT better than Ian Gillan.
Well maybe he can-but he doesn't. ;-)
Stathis N. Panagiotopoulos <sp...@deep-purple.com>
Greek Deep Purple Appreciation Society
P.O. Box 50322, Thessaloniki 54013, Greece
The Official Deep Purple Website <http://www.deep-purple.com>
Yea right, not in this lifetime.
Tommy Hittmann
Really, what is so tremendously great about Ian's vocals? I mean, he's a good
singer and all, but *I* can sing most of the stuff he sings. However, if I
tried to do something of Bruce's, I would sound like shit. Well, Bruce and Ian
have one thing in common: They're both Brittish and they're better than most
American singers.
Have you even heard Bruce sing? If so, have you heard his early 80's singing
or late 90's?
> Really, what is so tremendously great about Ian's vocals? I mean, he's a good
> singer and all, but *I* can sing most of the stuff he sings. However, if I
> tried to do something of Bruce's, I would sound like shit. Well, Bruce and Ian have one thing in common: They're both Brittish and they're better than most American singers.
Troll, troll, troll your post, gently down the screen...
Only one 't' in British, btw.
>Really, what is so tremendously great about Ian's vocals? I mean, he's a good
>singer and all, but *I* can sing most of the stuff he sings.
Oh yeah, so do I. In fact, so do most of us in this NG. But since you
mentioned it first, please go on. Give it a try. Do an easy one to get
warmed up, like Gethsemane from JCS, or The Unwritten Law, or Born Again,
and then go to the real difficult stuff. We're all ears ;-)
(This isn't to say that Bruce Dickinson can't sing, he's really very good,
but the comparison is ridiculous. Bruce would say so himself)
>
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Greek Deep Purple Appreciation Society
P.O. Box 50322, Thessaloniki 54013, Greece
The Official Deep Purple Website <http://www.deep-purple.com>
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Try telling that to Ronnie James Dio.
Tommy Hittmann
Then how come he is in a major rock band
for the last 3 decades, and youre not.
Try singing Fools, or Pictures of Hell, from Toolbox. How about singing
Bloodsucker,since you say it's so easy.
Would you like us to contact Roger, and ask him to give you a audition for
Ian's job?
Please think about writing before you post it.
Tommy Hittmann
Saw Bruce live with Iron Maiden in the late
80's, and I didnt think his live albums No Prayer for the living and Dying were
that good, no matter how much editing they did in the studio.
Tommy Hittmann
>
>What the hell? I liked Dream Theater's version better. Hell, Bruce
>Dickinson's version was the best. Bruce Dickinson can sing a LOT better than
>Ian Gillan.
Well, I saw them both on the same day at Lahr last year. I even caught
Bruce's exclusive accustic set in the press tent before his main set.
He might have been able to sing in the early 80s, but his voice has
certainly lost its edge these days. I'm not saying he sucks or
anything, but I think he's lost his edge over recent years.
That said, I'd have to disagree with you anyway - I think Gillan sings
much better on his early 80s albums (both the Gillan ones and
Sabbath), than Bruce sings on the Maiden one from roughly the same
time.
Cheers
Doug
--
Kev
Do you mean A Real Dead One & a Real Live One? I agree they aren't that
great, but the video for Donnington 92 is great from start to finish,
IMO as good as live After Death.
--
Kev
Jeez, I don't know who wrote the first part of this, but I've fronted some bands over
the years, and I'm a reasonably capable singer. But I can't sing a lot of what Gillan
sings. He has range, power and versatility. Few singers have all three (although many
have two).
Bye!
Brad
. . . then make a list of American singers and think about it. I am not a fan of all of
these, but, after all, Elvis Presley, Sam Cooke, Joe Lynn Turner, Harry Nilsson, Jackie
Wilson, Bruce Springsteen, Steve Perry, Eddie Cochran, Little Richard, Marvin Gaye,
Brian Wilson, Jim Morrison, Brad Delp, Simon, Garfunkel, Three Dog Night, Louie
Armstrong . . . the list goes on and on . . .
America has one of the proudest music traditions in the world, particularly with jazz
and rock and roll. Band-for-band only Britain can compete, and I'd call it a draw.
Bye!
Brad
(Warning: Lame joke ahead!) Whoever he is, I bet he's cheesy.
*raggadacrash*
--
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(C) 1998 The Deep Purple Can Do No Wrong Society
A singer from Dream Theater. He has a great range. It's unreal. Dream
Theater has done a version of Perfect Strangers on A Change of Seasons and it
was great.
What the hell are you talking about. No Prayer for the Dying is a studio
album, not a live album. That is the album that came out in 1990, when he
started taking on a different style of singing. As of right now, however,
Bruce sings operatic form as he did in the early 80's. Either way, Bruce's
range and diversity surpasses Gillan.
You take things too seriously. I never said anything about "easy." Please
read and think before you post.
>Then how come he is in a major rock band
>for the last 3 decades, and youre not.
There's also Hanson, 2Pac, Matchbox 20 and various other so-called popular
bands. It's not about skill or talent, it's about money and popularity. Quit
being such an asshole about it.
With out bothering to waste time and effort, remeber pal you were the one who
said you could sing Ian Gillans vocals easy, not me.
>You take things too seriously. I never said anything about "easy." Please
>read and think before you post.
>
>
Well then look up the post, you wrote.
You said you sing Ian Gillans vocals easy.
>t's not about skill or talent, it's about money and popularity.
So you are saying Ian Gillan is not a skilled vocalsit. Make up your mind. I am
just answering your post. You wrote you could
sing Ian Gillan's vocals easy.
Has far as me being an asshole, if you are going to write a post like you did,
dont you think you will get a response. So, with out any name calling, which I
just dont want to waste my time on. You wrote something that I answered.
Ok, I didnt call you an asshole, so show a little respect.
Tommy Hittmann
Whatever the last live albums Iron Maiden
pot out. The live album witht the heavy editing
in the studio. I think it came out around 91, or
92.
>As of right now, however,
>Bruce sings operatic form as he did in the early 80's. Either way, Bruce's
>range and diversity surpasses Gillan.
No sense in going back and forth. Even though
Bruce is a good STUDIO singer. I like Gillan's
vocal tones and range alot more than Bruces live. Has far as range goes and
diversity goes thats only your opinion. Not a fact. So, since this subject is
going no where.
I thnk this is useless. Enjoy the music.
Tommy Hittmann
Those American singers listed above are like Barney when you compare them to
the strong vocals of European singers: Robert Plant, Bruce Dickinson, Ian
Gillan, Ozzy Osbourne and RogerWaters.
A Real Dead One & A Real Live ONe is considered to be "Bruce at his worst" by
most people. Do you have the Video for Donnington 92? I'd buy a copy from
you if possible. I would have to say Bruce done well during the Seventh Son of
a Seventh Son tour. He sang the melodies really well on the Maiden songs
during that time period.
I would have to say Ian Gillan was awesome at live performances in the 70's and
80's. I'm just glad he's still with Deep Purple.
The reason for Bruce Dickinson sounding totally different is the fact that he
experimented with a different singing style. He didn't sing all the high
notes. Instead, he was singing most of the lyrics in a growling kind of tone.
I don't know how to describe it. About Balls to Picasso, he started singing as
he originally did starting on that album. Do you have Accident of Birth by any
chance?
How old is Gillan now? Is he around Robert Plants age? I don't care what you
people say, I think Gillan can sing better than Robert Plant. I have actually
seen Robert Plant live. A great performance, but he lacks strenght somewhat.
Let me rephrase my statement then: The music industry is not about skill or
talent, it's about money and popularity. That's how it is today. If Deep
Purple just started playing their music today, the odds are they won't be very
popular. Bands like Hanson, Marylin Manson and Nirvana take all the rep.
Dream Theater.
Admittedly, I have only seen Maiden England, and I know I can't really
judge a whole Maiden era on one show, but he sounded a bit strained to
me towards the end. (Particularly Number o t B, Hallowed be thy Name,
and Die With Your Boots On). I think he sung great on the Donnington
video. On the subject of reaching the high notes, he sung Run to the
Hills as on the album version- he didn't even do that on Live After
Death.
I'll mail you about the vid.
Kev
"These go to 11" - Nigel Tufnel
Music stuff, & Emulators - www.deepthought3.demon.co.uk
> It's interesting you should mention that, Bruce's voice almost 'went'
> during the Seventh Sign tour (IMO the best Maiden album), listen to
> Maiden England -Birmingham 87(A 'Maiden Europe' had already been
> released on bootleg :-)) shows his voice declining throughout the show-
> starts of great but is pretty dodgy at the end, and we don't even see
> the encore if there was one. My guess is that he had some sort of throat
> operation like Robert Plant did in 74, because he sounded completely
> different on the next Album.
This is interesting! I have always wondered why the Hell Robert Plant's voice changed from a woman's
range to a normal male's range. I saw him suffering with the Queen's covers at the Freddy Mercury's
tribute and thought that man could not be the same one who sang "Communication Breakdown". So the
reason why is a throat operation?
/Jose Antonio
Not to beat a dead horse, but I heard Bruce singing PS w/ Dream Theater on the
net spot that somebody posted, and Bruce sounded identical to James Labrie and
Dream Theater's verion of PS off of Change of Seasons.
Did anybody else get this or are my ears plugged?
Aloha,
Frank
I would not really call Ozzy Osbourne a singer... after all, even Tonny
Iommi admitted it. He's on the same scale with Alice Cooper.
Now, Freddie Mercury has a great voice! And Klaus Meine! argh, he's
German... can he play for the British team?? =)
nice thread....
Regards,
Gene
--
They say that life's a carousel Spinning fast, you've got to ride
it well
The world is full of Kings and Queens Who blind your eyes and steal
your dreams
It's Heaven and Hell, oh well And they'll tell you black is
really white
The moon is just the sun at night And when you walk in golden halls
You get to keep the gold that falls It's Heaven and Hell, oh no!
Fool, fool!
I don't know about your ears, but Bruce's voice sounds just a tad higher
pitched. Can't you tell a difference?
oh yes, of course, but he's been in England since the age of 14-16, so
it's a close call. Besides, I believe he had the citizenship papers...
aside from that, I believe he has a great voice.
Hmmm... another British would be George Michael.
Geordie.
From an English friend of mine....
.....Definition of a Geordie? A Scotsman with the brains bashed out!
:-)
<exit Garry, pursued by flames>
--
Garry Smith ga...@caleyjag.demon.co.uk
Blackmore,Gillan,Glover,Lord,Paice versus Bolin,Turner,Satriani,Morse.I'm
claiming a win,because if it's a draw we'll only lose on penalties.Hang on a
minute,someone's just reminded me that there is music outside of Purple.Let's
have a look:The Beatles,The Stones,The Jimi Hendrix Experience(two thirds
thereof),Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull,Led Zeppelin,Black Sabbath,Queen,The
Stranglers versus The Beach Boys,The Jimi Hendrix Experience(only one third
thereof),Bruce Sprinsteen,Kiss,ZZ Top,Foreigner,Bon Jovi,Nirvana,Guns 'n'
Roses.You're offering a draw,you say? P.S.(to Brits only) Don't mention
The Doors.I mentioned them once,but I think I got away with it.
I don't know about your ears, but Bruce's voice sounds just a tad higher
pitched. Can't you tell a difference?
Dr J...@aol.com
Not with my net connection and as you said a "Tad", sounds to me like Dickinson
and Labrie's versions sound pretty close. Anybody else out there want to jump
in.
Aloha,
Frank
What are we comparing here? Singers that stupidly killed themselves? I think
Americans win hands down.
--david.
[p.s. You forgot Tyrannosaurus Rex]
Definition of a Geordie: someone who's really really mad because Deep Purple
aren't playing City Hall this year :-(
--david
[honourary geordie]
>[p.s. You forgot Tyrannosaurus Rex]
>
I might have forgotten the tyrannosaurus,but my name's not Rex.
Buy Iron Maiden's Piece of Mind album and Dream Theater's Awake or Images and
words. You will notice a BIG difference in Bruce's voice and LaBrie's.
I'm sure they sound a lot different, but that's not what I'm after. I'm just
wondering if anybody else out there thought the 2 versions of PS w/ Bruce and
James Labrie sounded similar or I need to get a new set of speakers for my
computer.
Aloha,
Frank
Wav. file formats usually tend to sound shitty. However, I noticed a
difference. Maybe a new set of speakers?
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