Clapton better than Blackmore? - A GUITARISTS POINT OF VIEW! :)
con1
overall i would still go for R.Blackmore over E.Clapton.
I remember watching a t.v. program with Stevie Ray Vaughan
(R.I.P what a loss) and he absolutely crucified the way Clapton
played showing how his technique could have been improved which
would have made Clapton a more accomplished and technically more
accomplished player. But the most important thing that Ritchie
has always said is that practice makes perfect and he should
know as he practices all day every day every week. If you think
i am biased then your wrong i like ritchie very much as do
Clapton but there are others out there who are just as good i.e.
Alex Lifeson, Steve Morse, Van Halen....
And Terry is very correct when he says
****Blackmore Rocks****
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:)
Nice one everyone!
Matt
Ace
clapton is a solo artist who writes and sings he will always have a higher
profile than pure guitarist (eg jimmy page). but each to their own.
incidentally, does anyone know what ritchie did to his strat to customise it
on the battle rages on? it looks like he'd removed the middle pickup and
screwed on a active pre amp unit. anyone know what's it all about?
MikeY-BoB
>
> To conclude this message...
> BLACKMORE IS BETTER THAN CLAPTON, CLAPTON NEVER WILL BE BLACKMORE.
Well I am a huge RB fan and NOT a Clapton fan, but in all fairness to
EC..... RB is no Clapton either. Two different styles of playing all
together, but yea, right down to it, RB is definately a better guitarist.
MikeY-BoB
PLEASE VISIT MY FINGERSTYLE GUITAR WEB PAGE:
http://www.concentric.net/~mikekeo/ updated 1/12/00
.
some photos from the period to make sure.He'd removed the middle pickup from his
strat years ago,and the unit below the tremolo system is a roland guitar synth.
Kjetil Raknerud
Matt Love <cw...@freenetname.co.uk> skrev i news:89bhu9$p81$1...@gxsn.com...
> Hi Everyone!
>
> I read the recent arguement about our dear RITCHIE. :)
>
> Now i'm a 15 year old guitarist, and have played guitar for 6 years now.
>
> Being young, and learning guitar, you have many GUITAR GODS, and ICONS.
> Now, i can tell ya, i've had a few... First there was CHRIS REA (anyone
not
> heard of him? he's a slide player)
> Then there was KNOPFLER, and CLAPTON, now RITCHIE.
> Now being a guitarist, and having "studied" these players, i know a fare
> bit...
>
> Now, our recent arguement was CLAPTON BETTER THAN BLACKMORE???
> And i can safely say, that CLAPTON has'nt got a HOPE IN HELL of being
better
> than BLACKMORE... They are two entirely different players, playing
entirely
> different music.
> Clapton was cool with CREAM, but that was it... but he bores me stiff now,
> even with CREAM, because i don't like BLUES that much... I love CLASSICAL
> and ROCK.
>
> Clapton has admitted that he can't play very fast, and he can't. He's a
> blues player. Ritchie is very fast... He has extremely fast wrist action
> (no, im not implying that he's a wanker! :)) And Ritchie's hands fly up
and
> down that FRETBOARD... I can safely say, CLAPTON can't do that!! The
closest
> he's got to that is the guitar solo in 1980's live versions of WHITEROOM
> (which i must say are very good!)
>
> To conclude this message...
> BLACKMORE IS BETTER THAN CLAPTON, CLAPTON NEVER WILL BE BLACKMORE.
>
> :)
>
> And lastly, i can safely agree with my friend TeRRy,
>
> ***BLACKMORE ROCKS***
>
> Take care everyone!
> Matt
>
Well, if you have checked out both Clapton and Blackmore, I suggest you
check out Stevie Ray Vaughan too. He has Clapton's feeling of blues AND an
incredible technique. If he hadn't died, there would be no question who is
the best guitarist today. IMO of course, but he is the only one that I have
ever compared to Jimi Hendrix. And that is because he has the same techinque
using his Thumb and all that.
Kjetil
MikeY-BoB
<rakneru...@os.telia.no> wrote:
> Well, if you have checked out both Clapton and Blackmore, I suggest you
> check out Stevie Ray Vaughan too. He has Clapton's feeling of blues AND an
> incredible technique.
HAHAHAHAHA I disagee with that one! SRV was a cult player and was mostly
hype. I saw him live twice and was not impressed. He looked the part and
had the image thing working for him but as far as a great guitarist, he
was average when compared to the likes of other great players.
If he hadn't died, there would be no question who is
> the best guitarist today.
Nah. His abilities were vey limited. There are a ton of other players that
are much better than SRV was or would have been.
Azea
>(no, im not implying that he's a wanker!
are you sure....should ask some of his ex-band mates/wives about that!
Steve Dunn
ago!
You're absolutely spot on. It's the diversity of these musicians that makes
them all good.
And it's a pleasure to have a Paul Kossoff CD next to one of Malmsteen.
Vive la difference!
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> Matt,
>
> As a fellow guitarist, I can understand your point of view given your age.
> However, as you mature, you'll come to see that music isn't about
comparisons.
> Does Blackmore pick faster than Clapton? Yes. Does that mean that
Ritchie is
> better than Clapton? Absolutely not. If you think pure mechanical
technique is
> somehow the measure of how great a guitarist is, I think you'll have to
dig into
> jazz, classical and country in order to find out that even as technically
> skilled as Ritchie is, there are even more technically accomplished
players out
> there. And don't think that I'm slagging Ritchie - he was the first
player I
> ever heard that made me want to play guitar and I listen his playing quite
a bit
> to this day.
>
> So what makes a musician? The ability to communicate, to bring across
some
> feeling and make the listener FEEL something. I certainly believe Ritchie
does
> this and I believe Clapton does this, too, albeit in a different manner,
unique
> unto himself. To compare them and say one is better than the other as a
> musician is rather pointless. The world has plenty of room for great
> musicians. Hopefully you'll be able to see this.
>
> Regards,
> John
Vasily Ptitsyn
--
>
Yours Trully, Vasily Ptitsyn.
Azea пишет в сообщении <20000228163409...@ng-de1.aol.com> ...
>>(no, im not implying that he's a wanker!
>
Thorsten Nickel
>I've just listen up "Child In Time" and I'm sure - who is better !!!
Lemmy.
Thor
betazoid
holding down one note and bashing the hell out of it for 45 seconds whilst
giving the audience evil looks. Not much sign of 'flashing up the fretboard'
on those occasions...
P.
Kjetil Raknerud <rakneru...@os.telia.no> wrote in message
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>
> Matt Love <cw...@freenetname.co.uk> skrev i news:89bhu9$p81$1...@gxsn.com...
> Well, if you have checked out both Clapton and Blackmore, I suggest you
> check out Stevie Ray Vaughan too. He has Clapton's feeling of blues AND an
Gord Jantzen
> >
> >
Gord Wrote:
Well I saw Clapton backin Vancouver in Sept 98. Bonnie Ratt opened the
show with some great slide stuff -- She also invited Sarah Maclaclan(Sp)
out on the stage with Bryan Adams to sing a JJCALE ballad. Good stuff.
Clapton set was just that -- Clapton. Wonderful. Played his notes
cleanly, everything had a balance and bounce to it. Awestruck.
Blackmore with DP in Vancouver, BC Apr 85. Blackmore was great. But
comparing Blackers to Ratt or Clapton wouldn't be fair
Unfortunately I've never seen SRV live so I'll have to rely on the video
performances of SRV -- Austin City limits, etc.
My favorite video of SRV is with the famous ALBERT KING jam/studio. SRV
was in awe of every note ALBERT KING played. He was all eyes on the
master. So everything is perspective really. I'll bet ya, Blackmore or
Clapton would love to have had SRV opprotunity to jam with the Master
bluesman -- Albert King.
Insider stuff on ALBERT KING:
WHAT DID YOU LEARN IN PLAYING BEHIND ALBERT KING?
BOLIN: I learned a lot about lead; learned that you don't have to blow
your cookies in the first bar. At that time I was playing everything I
knew when I took a lead. And he said, "Man , just say it all with one
note." He taught me that it was much harder to be simple that to be
complicated during solos. IF you blow your cookies in the first bar,
you have nowhere to go. Blues is really good that way. It teaches you
to develop coherent solos, because the form you're playing over is so
basic. You have to develop leads that go someplace. The neatest
compliment I ever got was when I was playing with Albert King at an
indoor concert in Boulder, Colorado. He used to let me take solos, and I
was very into playing that day. After the concert he came up to me and
said, " You got me today, but I'll get you tomorrow." I really respect
him. He's a beautiful player.
Source: Guitar Player "TOMMY BOLIN" ,March, 1977,Pages 21 - 23, By
Lowell Cauffiel
Gosh, didn't Glover basically say the same thing to Blackmore at one
time about playing lead. Anyways if you ask all the greats who's the
top guitarist and, of course, they all pause. The answer is inevitably
Hendrix. If you asked Hendrix, the name King would linger near. Just my
2 Tom Watts worth, today.
Cheers,
Gord
ALBERT KING ROCKS!!!!!!! MOve over Morse, Blackmore, Bolin, Clapton
and Beck and SRV. (How could I miss Carlos Santana & Joe Satriani.
cutest man in the known universe
>ALBERT KING ROCKS!!!!!!! MOve over Morse, Blackmore, Bolin, Clapton
>and Beck and SRV. (How could I miss Carlos Santana & Joe Satriani.
how about Mick Taylor, or Peter Green, Or Hank Marvin, or Tom Stoneman,
or......
scoot
p.s......It costs you nothing to laugh....
KLM
show - this is music only'-act (standing straight up no movement, no talk,
no nothing - but tone and notes to kill) I was awstruck - it's not about how
many notes in a sec. not about riffing, not about impressing - E.C is all
about feeling. A true source of the divine music. And TeRRy don't for a
moment think I am comparing TMIB with E.C., OK? They are so totally
different that is not possible. It's Vivaldi vs. Wagner/ Bach vs.
Stravinsky/Jon Lord in DP vs.Jon Lord on PW can't be done, utterly
impossible. Each a miracle each different.
--
CU
Karin
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"If you feel like it - Do it"
(Jon Lord)
REMOVE !!! to reply
Gord Jantzen <gjan...@axionet.com> skrev i
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*TeRRy*
<ka.wies!!!@swipnet.se> wrote:
>I saw E.C. in Stockholm Dec. -99, and once I got used to his 'this is no
>show - this is music only'-act (standing straight up no movement, no talk,
>no nothing - but tone and notes to kill) I was awstruck - it's not about
>how
>many notes in a sec. not about riffing, not about impressing - E.C is all
>about feeling. A true source of the divine music. And TeRRy don't for a
>moment think I am comparing TMIB with E.C., OK? They are so totally
>different that is not possible. It's Vivaldi vs. Wagner/ Bach vs.
>Stravinsky/Jon Lord in DP vs.Jon Lord on PW can't be done, utterly
>impossible. Each a miracle each different.
>
>--
>CU
>Karin
>-----------------------------------------------------------
But THAT miracle feeling that BLACKMORE brings, EASILY out shines ³E.C.²
BLACKMORE is all about ³THE² Feeling that NO ONE else can even come
close to inspiring. When RiTchie plays, Time Stops, and Thrills & Chills
travel up and down my spine. I have heard them ALL, and NO other
guitarist can deliver such a feeling of awe and excitement...and
goose-bumps!!! RB transcends ALL other guitar virtuoso¹s....
***BLACKMORE ROCKS***
TeRRy
--
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Gord Jantzen
Kind of reminds me of the Brian Wilson tape that Brian would use for
standard answers. Well played, Terry.
Where Blackmore steals from ALBERT KING:
Place in Line. Lazy.
Just my 2 Tom Watts worth, today.
Cheers,
Gord
P.S. Terry, I think if you asked Blackmore who the best Guitar player
would be, ....Hendrix. He met Hendrix once at the Whiskey A-Go-Go in
LA. In the wash room, according to Jeff Beck.
Blackmore: "Our first show in America was at the Forum in Los Angeles,"
recalls Blackmore. "Jimi Hendrix was in the front row. In fact, there is
this picture of Jimi Hendrix sitting there in front of me, along with
the back of my head. I was a bit intimidated, to say the least. And
sitting next to him was George Harrison! It was one of those nights."
Source: Guitar World, PURPLE REIGN: The uneven but Glorious history of
Deep Purple, P. 160, By Chris Gill
*TeRRy*
<gjan...@axionet.com> wrote:
Unfortunately Jimi is no longer with us....so I speak of the living.
But thanks for your post
TeRRy
--
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Gord Jantzen
Glover on RAH: 1969
"During my first meeting with Deep Purple's Management," says Glover,
"they told me that one of the first things I would be doing is working
with an orchestra at the Albert Hall. I went, 'WOW! That's posh.' It was
a marvelous moment. For me to go from playing some barn in Essex with a
pop band four months prior to appearing on stage at the Albert Hall with
the Royal Philharmonic was quite a stretch." Roger Glover on RAH 1969.
Source: Guitar World, Purple Reign, Chris Gill, P. 160
Interesting stuff?
Ciao,
Gord
Gord Jantzen
Here it is:
Glover on the Conductor:
"The attitude of the orchestra wasn't that great," adds Glover. "Malcolm
Arnold was a hero, and he knocked them into shape. They turned up at
rehearsals with this terrible attitude about working for pop musicians
with long hair. Some of the musicians were outright hostile. I remember
this one lady cellist who walked out in disgust over our hair. In
these enlightened times you tend to for get how dangerous that was back
then. At one point Malcolm stopped the orchestra and yelled, 'You're
playing like a bunch of cunts! We're going to make history tomorrow
night. We might as well make music while we're doing it.'" 1
Lord on RAH -- 1969:
"Some people say it was a pompous, overblown exercise, but the other 50
percent can hear that it was done with a good deal of humor. It was not
intended to be taken utterly seriously, even though the amount of work
involved was definitely serious. I can't believe I did it in he amount
of time given to me." 2
1 Source: PURPLE REIGN: GUITAR WORLD, CHRIS GILL, P 160, May 1999
2 Source: PURPLE REIGN: GUITAR WORLD, CHRIS GILL, P 160, May 1999
Great stuff on RAH. Interesting in retrospect.....
CIAO,
Gord
Gord Jantzen
Even Blackmore had some interesting comments:
Blackmore:
"I was very nervous about it because there were all these classical
musicians there," says Blackmore. "During the run through, I was playing
through my little Vox AC30, and they were holding their ears because
they couldn't stand the sound that I was putting out."
Source: Guitar World, Purple Reign, May 1999, Chris Gill, P 160.
Where's the MARSHALL STACK when you need one?
Ciao,
Gord
betazoid
*TeRRy* <macv...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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***BLACKMORE FOLKS***
*TeRRy*
<beta...@btinternet.com> wrote:
Too lazy to get off your fat ass and change IT yourself???
betazoid
autoboigraphy "How My Solos Sometimes Consisted of the Same Note Played
Continuously For 90 seconds.....and Some People STILL Think I'm a Genius"...
***BLACKMORE BLOCKS***
{but Morse scores on the rebound...)
P.
*TeRRy*
<beta...@btinternet.com> wrote:
OK...so your ass is not all that fat.
Please *TRY* to pull your head OUT of IT!!!
(Morse scored but was so far behind, that BLACKMORE QUIT and he STILL
could not catch up)
betazoid
Erm.......come again ? Sorry, Terry, you've lost me there....must be all
those 180db solos you listen to..
P.
***BLACKMORE SHOCKS***
(by not slagging off Gallons in an interview !)
lanafi...@gmail.com
There was a period in the late 60's and early 70's when guitarists - particularly in England - were rated by music magazines but it was all just media hype. In the last years of this bullshit (by Melody Maker I think) Angus Young won it one year - but so did Stevie Winwood (primarily a keyboard man and vocalist) a few years before. He's an ok guitarist but...
Stevie Ray was a beautiful bluesy guitarist but I walked out of one of his concerts when he did an overly long note for note tribute to Hendrix - who I'd idolised as a kid. I thought it was plagiarism...
So - for my money - enjoy who you enjoy and don't bother rating anyone. But do take the time to check out Al Di Meola when you are considering great guitarists...