DMB on Glen Ballard, and Everyday
GreyRaven41
"It just gave me a new sense of hope with our future and the sense that we're
still hat the halfway mark. We're not on the plateau, which I've seen a lot of
bands at our level get stuck in." -Stefan Lessard, on the bands status
"I felt as though my self-imposed weight of teh world, my burden, had been
taken off. I started feeling poweful again, feeling teh pwer we all have. The
nearly squashed flame was eagerly burning again" - Dave Matthews - on writing
"everyday" (the first song he wrote with ballard)
"He walked into my studio, and the first thing I handed him was a baritone
guitar. It was love at first touch. You coudl see that he was having a
visceral experience with this guitar. I could barely wrench it out of his
hands." - Glen ballard, on Dave's switch to electric. (hell, I don't even know
what visceral means.) Yeah, Glen really forced dave to switch to electric.
(sarcasm)
"Boy I loved playing that, I was like 'goddamn it, I did it. That's nasty.'
It's so ugly and so beautiful at the same time. It's so middle-finger-lifted
'fuck you.'" - Dave, on I did it.
"He would be coming up with huge bits and peices of the song that were just
flowing through him. Then we would sit there and decipher it, and a lot of it
would be intact, it was remakerable that he was able to just channel. I just
helped him connect the dots, and in a few cases come up with a line or two" -
Ballard, on the lyrics of EVERYDAY. (Dave wrote 'em all it seems)
"Tinsley PRAISES the process and how ballard used his violin in a new,
symphonic way, in overdubbed washes or with new textures, such as plucking the
violin pizzicato through a wah-wah pedal."
"As soon as we started recording, it was like, 'forget about the past,' This
was the best ever... I felt like I was in school again, it was a really good
feeling" - Lessard, on recording with Ballard
"I said, ' Dave, who the hell is this playing electric, is this Carlos?' and he
looked at me and shook his head with this smirk on his face. I had to hug him"
- Carter Beauford, on first hearing Dave's demos on electric.
"I think they're the best lyrics I've written, I've said things more clearly on
this album than ever before. It's teh best melodies. It's so musical, so
themeatic and so varied. I would be disapponited, obviously, if it didn't do
well, but I would in my heart think it was other circumstances; it would not be
that the record is lacking. Becuase I gave everything I had, as honestly and
as clearly as I could." - Dave Matthews, on everyday.
"I kept saying, 'look, we're making a movie, and when you guys go out on teh
road, that's a stage play.' If a DMB song is usually six minutes to get there,
my challenge was to get them to do it in half the time, and see if we can get
as much music in there that's more meaningful" - Ballard, on the shorter song
lengths.
JayAVO
>my challenge was to get them to do it in half the time, and see if we can get
>as much music in there
as much music....
you can fit almost the entire album
on side A of a 90 minute tape.
jason
lostinadmboutro
sure.
Peace and being facetious...DJ
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> From Rolling Stone - 3-15-01
> "I kept saying, 'look, we're making a movie, and when you guys go out on
teh
> road, that's a stage play.' If a DMB song is usually six minutes to get
there,
> my challenge was to get them to do it in half the time, and see if we can
get
> as much music in there that's more meaningful" - Ballard, on the shorter
song
> lengths.
>
This is a completely arbitrary "rule." If you are looking to make songs for
the radio, then that its true, if you are looking to express yourself
musically, it usually requires longer than 3 minutes. Throughout history,
length is strongly correlated with quality. Most good jazz tunes clock in at
10 minutes +. Then you have your classical music, etc. Ballard is a god
damned idiot, and that will be made very clear when he is out of there, and
the band plays these songs out.
JayAVO
>Oh, yup. Gotta be lengthy to be good. I believe that's the rule. Not
>sure.
i wasnt commenting one way or another about lengthy is better. i was only
saying that less than 50 minutes isnt getting more music out
.>
>> as much music....
>> you can fit almost the entire album
>> on side A of a 90 minute tape.
>> jason
where do i equate the length of the album to quality?
jason
Chris
And it is the most beautiful damn song on their (arguably, so
I'll say ONE of the most beautiful) -- it's great!
If Crush were 3:14, I'd be really disappointed. It NEEDS
and DESERVES extended play.
-Chris
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Russell Steele
On 19 Feb 2001, GreyRaven41 wrote:
> "I said, ' Dave, who the hell is this playing electric, is this Carlos?' and he
> looked at me and shook his head with this smirk on his face. I had to hug him"
> - Carter Beauford, on first hearing Dave's demos on electric.
<grin> This was the best part of the message, because I can really picture
this happening. Imagine Carter waiting for Dave's acoustic on the demos,
and then hearing an electric open up. Very cool, very cool.
>
> "I think they're the best lyrics I've written, I've said things more clearly on
> this album than ever before. It's teh best melodies. It's so musical, so
> themeatic and so varied. I would be disapponited, obviously, if it didn't do
> well, but I would in my heart think it was other circumstances; it would not be
> that the record is lacking. Becuase I gave everything I had, as honestly and
> as clearly as I could." - Dave Matthews, on everyday.
>
Honestly, this is Ballard's best contribution to the album. Dave
mumbles when he sings. A LOT. Most of the albums required like 10 listens
and 5 lyrics-on-the-insert checks to figure out what he's saying (for me
anyways). Some of the stuff on the insert still doesn't agree with what
I'm hearing sometimes. With I Did It, and the other samples I've heard, I
understand every word Dave is saying. I think he was moving in a more
coherent direction with BTCS and the Cville songs (from what I heard from
the live work) were a step back, as far as coherence goes (did he ever
settle on lyrics to Grey Street?). Anyways, it's nice to be understand
what Dave's saying. Sometimes, I think that's why everyone sings Crash at
the concert. It's the only song where everyone understands all the words
and is in almost complete sentences. ;-) Sometimes I get so caught up in
the music that I forget that Dave probably cares just as much about the
lyrics... no wonder he feels so much better about Everyday...
GreyRaven41
blue bird 2:57
bird gets the worm 2:40
anthropology 3:00
segment 3:23
And look at phish's farmhouse, all songs more than double in length in concert.
Studio albums, are generally meant for shorter songs, even phish and the dead
had short, un-jammy songs in the studio.
Of course, they were criticized for it, but, they still recorded that way.
Jeff
Ari
newer stuff like charlie hunter, bela fleck is, on average, 5 minutes +. For
every short exception you point out, I can point out a very long exception.
For instance, the lengths on kind of blue are ~9, 9, 5, 11, and 9 minutes.
On blue train, you got 10, 9, 7, 7, 7.
Studio albums usually have shorter songs, but the songs on everyday are
consistently short, and (most importantly) they fail to bring out the talent
that these guys have. Charlie Parker needs 3 minutes to get his point across
on some tracks, but I don't think Leroi did a lot of talking here, Dave
never shuts up. I don't hear great musicians on everyday, just a great
vocalist with some guys filling in behind him. Since they are a band, I am
disappointed by that. All that being said, I am sure things will shape up
live.
Josh
is less than 40 minutes. His concerts are three hours.
A lot of people here complain that they don't like the album recordings anyway,
and they don't like the jams on the album. Then people complain if there is an
album without a lot of jamming. You can't have it both ways. I would rather
the album have the songs more packed, with less in jamming, and let them really
explore the songs on the concert stage.
Josh
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Rich Cantley
sorry, but these suck. "Was I a fool to think, the way you looked at me. I swear
you did." "All you need is, all you want is, all you need is love?" C'mon, those
are not good lyrics.
And secondly, shorter is not better. Longer is not better either. Time is not
really an issue, and it shouldn't me made an issue. A six minute song can do more
per minute than a three minute song. If you can get a full song in 3 minutes,
fine, but tell me you could make a song as great as #41 in 3 minutes? You just
can't. What are you going to do, tell Tchaikovsky he takes too damn long to get to
the point in Symphony #6? Samuel Barber should have tried to finish the Adagio in
4 or 5 minutes? Give me a break.
lostinadmboutro
condense the sound.
If you weren't trying to equate quantity to quality then the post had no
meaning and I appologize for reading into it what wasn't there.
Peace in life and after..DJ
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