Anyone remember Minarets List?
Lawless
commercial, but was wondering if anyone here was from the old Minarets list?
Anyone remember when they closed the list down and we all hijacked the Bee
Gees mailing list?
Good times...good times.
Jeff Pilcicki
"sold out," it was then. But then again, it isn't selling out, it's
becoming popular, you don't expect a band to want to play clubs all their
carreers? But, the minarets list has been long dead, I was on it at the
very end of its regime...
Jeff
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Marcus Holmes
a band because they become popular.
Marcus
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Jo Ann
How old were you at the time? Minarets has been "dead" for nearly five years.
>But, the minarets list has been long dead, I was on it at the
>very end of its regime...
>
~To dance beneath her diamond skies
with one hand waving free.
Silouetted by the sea.~
Lawless
and WWYS started playing on the radio every hour. I don't fault them for
that, I just got sick of "sharing" my band with everyone and going to
concerts and seeing 14 year olds screaming for WWYS when they had so many
better songs. I loved trading for a tape and finding out my favorite song,
"Say Goodbye" (can't remember what it was called before they changed the
name) was on it, and turning other people onto it. After they went
commercial, I just lost my flavor for them and it wasn't as fun anymore.
Same thing happened to me when Hootie came out with "Cracked Rear View."
Although I do think they started selling out with "BTCS" and completed it
with "Everyday." I know you have to make radio-friendly songs when you're
popular to live up to CD expectations, but ditching Lillywhite and coming
out with the crap they put on that CD was too much. I used to have over 100
tapes of DMB. I didn't even buy BTCS, and when I heard it for the first
time last month, couldn't believe it. I hated the new version of Halloween,
and think the "Recently" version was much better. And what's with the
garbage they threw on the end of some of those songs? What's the point of
ending a song with 30 seconds of people talking and various sound effects?
Only songs I felt were worth on BTCS were Stay and Rapunzel.
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Lawless
know then. And when did I ever say I stopped listening to them "because"
they became popular? I didn't, I said that's WHEN I stopped listening to
them. They weren't really putting out anything "new." Everything up to
Crash were old songs, and there wasn't anything to get excited about. I
still listen to them occasionally though, mainly just to hear songs like the
old versions of Satellite and Say Goodbye, and songs like Blue Water Baboon
Farm, Julio, Angel From Montgomery, etc.
I have had some faith restored though after hearing the Lillywhite CD. I
would definitely have bought this CD had they put it out.
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John Salerno
have that said about it! it is so dark and introspective that it is
definitely not something that i would use to get people into dmb....i think
it would have to come last! and aside from stay, there really aren't any
radio friendly songs on the album.....both ddtw and crush were cut in half
for the radio......and yes, that version of halloween isn't the best because
the old meaning is sort of lost, but i still don't see it as selling out or
whatever....they just needed to clean it up for a studio release.....
ah well, it's my favorite, but it wasn't always.....it took a while for me
to realize how great it is, so maybe that's why i defend it so much
now.....whenever i think of the four studio albums, btcs just stands out
from the rest in my mind....
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Jeff Pilcicki
> Although I do think they started selling out with "BTCS" and completed it
> with "Everyday." I know you have to make radio-friendly songs when you're
> popular to live up to CD expectations, but ditching Lillywhite and coming
> out with the crap they put on that CD was too much. I used to have over
100
> tapes of DMB. I didn't even buy BTCS, and when I heard it for the first
> time last month, couldn't believe it. I hated the new version of
Halloween,
> and think the "Recently" version was much better. And what's with the
> garbage they threw on the end of some of those songs? What's the point of
> ending a song with 30 seconds of people talking and various sound effects?
> Only songs I felt were worth on BTCS were Stay and Rapunzel.
Do you read what you're saying? The sound effects thing... See: Pink
Floyd's Dark side of the Moon, yeah, they really sold out with that one.
And Stay and rapunzel are the only ones worth it? Those are the two MOST
radio friendly songs on the album!
Jeff
Lawless
"John Salerno" <john...@tamu.edu> wrote in message
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> wow, they sold out with BTCS? this seems to me the *least* likely album to
> have that said about it! it is so dark and introspective that it is
> definitely not something that i would use to get people into dmb....i
think
> it would have to come last! and aside from stay, there really aren't any
> radio friendly songs on the album.....both ddtw and crush were cut in half
> for the radio......and yes, that version of halloween isn't the best
because
> the old meaning is sort of lost, but i still don't see it as selling out
or
> whatever....they just needed to clean it up for a studio release.....
No, this is when it started, very slightly. Out of curiosity, how many of
the songs off BTCS do they play in concert?
Rustvold
Rapunzel
Don't Drink The Water
Stay
The Stone
Crush
Halloween
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Elaine Schroeder
> Yeah, I don't think they sold out, and I was a fan up until UTTAD came
out,
> and WWYS started playing on the radio every hour. I don't fault them for
> that, I just got sick of "sharing" my band with everyone
I don't mean to jump on you in particular... but this is my problem with the
"true fans" that are too good for DMB anymore. You seem to resent their
popularity. Why? You even mentioned in your post that you used to enjoy
turning people on to DMB. Is it the secrecy? The "I know about the band,
but you don't" feeling? That's selfish. These guys play wonderful music
and deserve every ounce of fame they get. Unfortunately, with the
popularity comes the radio fans and teenyboppers.
As a really bad analogy, think of this: Say you had a Picasso or something
in your possesion... would you rather it stay shut up in your closet and
only seen by you, or be in a museum where millions of people could see and
enjoy it? You wouldn't be as close to it anymore, you might be only be able
to see it occasionally, behind glass and velvet ropes and surrounded by
tourists. But, imagine all of those people who otherwise wouldn't have a
chance to enjoy it, and the joy they now get from seeing it.
Not a person here would say that they don't wish to see DMB in some small,
intimate club setting. But then again, how many of us would have had the
chance to even find out about them if they had remained small? I certainly
woudn't have.
>
> Although I do think they started selling out with "BTCS" and completed it
> with "Everyday."
>
Mentioning Everyday and BTCS in the same breath! Oh, blasphemy! ;)
>
> Only songs I felt were worth on BTCS were Stay and Rapunzel.
>
Then I urge you to give The Stone/Dreaming Tree/Spoon/Crush another listen.
BTCS may have to grow on you a bit, it's not like Crash or UTTAD, but it has
certainly become my favorite album.
Elaine (not even going to touch the "Did they sell out with Everyday?"
issue...)
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long to play with your hair."
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John Salerno
at all.....even crush is not played too too much.......
--
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Rustvold
worthy of a mention.
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Bri Rei
>many
>> at all.....even crush is not played too too much.......
>>
Pig shows up once in awhile too, to my dismay, although I guess not recently.
I know I am a psycho for liking the old Don't Burn the... version, but
whatever, my psychoticness cannot be explained.
If they don't start playing The Dreaming Tree again soon, I will literally cry
myself to sleep each night. Same goes for Cry Freedom. These songs are wayyyy
to good to not be in the "Spotlight"
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
ok I'm done
-- Bri Rei
Lawless
were the only ones that I felt were worth a damn (except for the new
Halloween version).
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"Elaine Schroeder" <eschr...@mail.utexas.edu> wrote in message
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> I don't mean to jump on you in particular... but this is my problem with
the
> "true fans" that are too good for DMB anymore. You seem to resent their
> popularity. Why?
I don't resent their popularity at all, I'm extremely glad for it, they
earned it. I "dislike" their change in music styles. I didn't start
listening to DMB for the band, or for their popularity, etc. I started
listening to them because I enjoyed their songs and the type of music they
played, especially their concerts. They no longer record the type of music
I became a fan with. And the concerts now lack the atmosphere they once
did. People used to go crazy at concerts when they would break out with
Heathcliff's Haiku Warriors. Now it seems like poeple only want to hear
versions of the radio-friendly songs, and get upset when they change them
up. They want to go to a concert and hear the CDs played over the
loudspeakers. I guess my problem is that I became a fan of DMB from their
concerts, and the new breed of fans generated from the radio. We have
different views on what we want to hear at concerts and on CDs. I want to
hear a more live atmosphere to their albums, other fans want to hear
electric guitars and 3 minute growls that they an play at parties. There's
nothing wrong with that, we just have different tastes.
For instance, I only enjoy Zeppelin songs that everyone else does. When I
listen to my CDs, I skip to "Ramblin Man, Stairway, etc. I don't want to
hear stuff I wasn't weaned on from the radio. It just doesn't interest me.
You even mentioned in your post that you used to enjoy
> turning people on to DMB. Is it the secrecy? The "I know about the band,
> but you don't" feeling? That's selfish.
Yes, to a degree.
> As a really bad analogy, think of this: Say you had a Picasso or
something
> in your possesion... would you rather it stay shut up in your closet and
> only seen by you, or be in a museum where millions of people could see and
> enjoy it?
I would much rather have a picasso in my closet that only I can see than be
in a museum! I'd never work again! To illustrate your point, several years
ago I bought a "Blue Dog" painting (the dog you see in the Xerox ads). I
have it in my den and I enjoy telling people what it is, and talking about
it. But now, it is slowly becoming more well known, and instead of people
walking into my den and saying "wow, what's that?" They say, "oh, you have
a framed Xerox Ad!" It loses the interest I once had for it when everyone
else has one.
You wouldn't be as close to it anymore, you might be only be able
> to see it occasionally, behind glass and velvet ropes and surrounded by
> tourists. But, imagine all of those people who otherwise wouldn't have a
> chance to enjoy it, and the joy they now get from seeing it.
I agree. But think of it this way. Suppose I had a Picasso painting, and
then after a few years, he changed his painting style. Instead of painting
abstract art, he started drawing cartoons. Suddenly, he no longer paints
abstract art that I can look forward to, he only paints Cartoons because
that's what's in and everyone in the world wants him to paint cartoons. I
now have a great Abstract painting of his in my house, but know that I will
probably never se a new abstract painting because he doesn't do that
anymore.
> Mentioning Everyday and BTCS in the same breath! Oh, blasphemy! ;)
They are very different. But here's why I put them together. Crash, UTTAD,
Recently, and R2T were amazing CDs for me. I honestly liked every single
song on all those albums. Then BTCS came out, and I only liked half the
songs, and hated the other half. Then Everyday came out, and I hated all of
them. That's why I put them together. Their early CDs were so good they
raised the bar on my future expectations. They could play any song form
UTTAD or R2T and the crowds ata concert would have loved it. I'm not so
sure about the new stuff.
> Then I urge you to give The Stone/Dreaming Tree/Spoon/Crush another
listen.
I've only listened to these songs about 2 times, I'll listen to them again
and maybe they'll grow on me. But Don't Drink the Water and that Indian
song will NEVER be interesting to me.
Ordell98
pardon me if I say something stupid.
But. . . .BTCS, if not as "old school" DMB as their previous records, was a
huge leap artistically, and a fundamentally more talented and mature record by
almost any measuring stick. It may not have the old kick in the ass that
Heathcliff's had, but musically the record, especially the second half, is
better playing, better vocals, and more complex than the band's earlier work.
Just my take on it :-)
Colin
Buttwhop
The Dude Abides.