JOE HAMILTON FOR HEISMAN(nDMBc)
TwoStep665
award. He is the nation's leading passer for the nations leading offense. If
Ga Tech had a defense they would be #1.
cerebus
Mr. Allan Chen, I believe, for the Heisman. and the Hamiltonian.
Allan Chen is in fact a Hamiltonian.
Now back to your regularly scheduled programming.
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Mr. President
Dayne. He didn't get it last year cause of Ricky Williams, now he
surpassed him by gaining the most yards in the toughest conference in the
nation, and leading his team to two str8 rose bowls. How can you argue
with that?
supermock
have to give that up to Thomas Jones of UVA), yet Hamilton is the top
quarterback. Although Dayne did break the career rushing record, which
is commendable, the fact that it came only one year after Ricky
Williams' feat manages to lessen the accomplishment quite a bit with
the Heisman voters. If Hamilton continues to put up the numbers he's
been having (with the exception of the Virginia game), he'll be just as
big a contender for the Heisman as anyone.
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> TwoStep665 <twost...@aol.com> wrote:
>> Joe Hamilton is the best player in College Football. He more than deserves the
>> award. He is the nation's leading passer for the nations leading offense. If
>> Ga Tech had a defense they would be #1.
> Mr. Allan Chen, I believe, for the Heisman. and the Hamiltonian.
> Allan Chen is in fact a Hamiltonian.
d^2/dx^2+d^2/dy^2+d^2/dz^2 == Allan Chen?
Just for the record, I'd like to say that quantum physics/physical
chemistry blows. Schroedinger, Laplace, Laguerre, Fourier, and all
those other guys can go to hell. :)
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Ben Johnson
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Jfaspen
school he does. That is why he does not post here so often. As for
Allan... Make him footrace Dayne and then block Dayne. Wait, then we
would get 1/2 the amt of quality recording and lose a mem of the community!
Jeff
cerebus <ver...@fas.harvard.edu> wrote in article
<80tir0$s2b$1...@news.fas.harvard.edu>...
> TwoStep665 <twost...@aol.com> wrote:
> > Joe Hamilton is the best player in College Football. He more than
deserves the
> > award. He is the nation's leading passer for the nations leading
offense. If
> > Ga Tech had a defense they would be #1.
>
> Mr. Allan Chen, I believe, for the Heisman. and the Hamiltonian.
>
> Allan Chen is in fact a Hamiltonian.
>
Ben Hollin
>I think Mike has a new girl friend. Natalie Portman goes to the same
>school he does. That is why he does not post here so often. As for
lol. could you blame him if it were true? unfortunately for mike, as
he knows all too well, it just ain't the truth. ;-)
ben
BigHurt574
>have to give that up to Thomas Jones of UVA), yet Hamilton is the top
>quarterback.
before you start saying stuff like this maybe you should check your facts.
Chad Pennington for Marshall has thrown for 7 more TD's and about 700 more
yards than Hamilton. If you look at total offense, Hamilton is 3rd behind
Brees and Ratay.
Additionally, look at the defenses Hamilton got his TD's against. Games aren't
supposed to have 80 combined points a game, thats ridiculous. That goes to
show the caliber of defenses in the ACC, both Georgia Tech's and their
opponents. Dayne, on the other hand, broke the all-time rushing record in what
I would hope even SEC/ACC fans would agree is the hardest conference to run the
ball against. The big ten is all about rushing, and thats what defenses are
built to stop. Dayne's faced 8-9 man fronts his whole career and still
dominated. Enough said?
And I will add this, and anyone here can hold me to it. If Ron Dayne does not
win the Heisman trophy, I will do B&P's for anyone that wants them...
Matt
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BigHurt574
some stats right off espn.com
Avg yds per rush:
Dayne: 6.1
Jones: 5.6
Jones has several more carries than Dayne despite playing 1 less game.
Additionally, Dayne has about 130 more total yards than Jones, but Wisconsin
has played an extra game, so Daynes average per game is 4 yards less.
But consider this:
According to the broadcasters of this past weekends Iowa/Wisconsin game, Dayne
has sat out a total of NINE quarters this year due to big leads. So
essentially he's gotten his avg. yards per game in 3 quarters. I'm guessing
that Jones has played in most of Virginia's 4th quarters since they're haven't
had too many big leads.
Jon Ice
want to go by what really matters (who the best QB in the eyes of pro scouts is)
then you've got Brees, Pennington, and Chris Redman from Louisville, with Hamilton
probably 4th. I think Pennington and Brees are a toss up, but when it's all said
and done I give it to Brees since he's still got a year left to go.
Ice
BigHurt574 wrote:
Mr. President
Illinois....his 22 touchdowns to 2 int's is untouchable by anyone in the
country.....but Brees is pretty good too.
HeeeHee
Looking forward to a bowl in MIAMI!!!
Mr. President
the best conference in football, How is hamilton the best QB though?
Yards, TD's....I know that here in Illinois, we have the by far the best
TD:INT ratio, 22-2 the next closest is like 4:1 I think Major Applewhite
from texas. And frankly Wisconsin is the superior team to GT. And that
is commendable especially considering how much tougher the Big 10 is than
the ACC......It wont be a very close vote I assure you...
On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, supermock wrote:
> Maybe because Ron Dayne isn't even the leading rusher this season (you
> have to give that up to Thomas Jones of UVA), yet Hamilton is the top
kaiyen
> school he does. That is why he does not post here so often. As for
> would get 1/2 the amt of quality recording and lose a mem of the community!
dude. I could take him out. give me my car and my shotgun and dayne
ain't got nothing on me.
anyway. wisconsin might be playing stanford in the rose bowl. if so, I'm
in pasadena my friend and I'll be sure to say my best to mr. dayne...
k.
kaiyen
hmmm...something like that. I think there might be a 4th variable and
needs to be considered. :-)
damn. it's hard for this history major to remember his techie roots..
> Just for the record, I'd like to say that quantum physics/physical
> chemistry blows. Schroedinger, Laplace, Laguerre, Fourier, and all
> those other guys can go to hell. :)
hellz yeah. i got out of chem before I hit that...
k.
supermock
Brees and Rattay also have twice the number of passing attempts that
Hamilton has. Rattay ranks fourth in efficiency, and Brees is... 32nd?
And while Chad Pennington is good, I still firmly believe Joe has the
QB spot covered.
Ron Dayne is good. But IMHO, the Big Ten is overrated.
Pete Diggity Dogg
>school he does.
she's going out with some loser on the swim team ..... and she's not that hot
in person ..... trust me ...... her face is way overproportioned for her body.
peace,
peter.
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cerebus
> chemistry blows. Schroedinger, Laplace, Laguerre, Fourier, and all
> those other guys can go to hell. :)
Well, Schroedinger's there. He's a sicko, and evidently he was a Nazi
as well. Plus, who the hell bases a theoretical model on the murder of
a cute little kittie?
Mr. President
the toughest and most balanced conference in the country. I mean look at
it up and down....one team beats wisconsin by 30 something, and then loses
to Illinois at home (Mich), Illinois gets spanked by Minnesota at home,
and minnesota beats PSU, but loses to Purdue and OSU at home. Mich St.
beats Michigan then gets spanked by Purdue and Wisconsin, everyone beating
up everyone else, thus the most balanced power conference in the league.
And the thing is there is like 2 bad teams this year, not half the
confeence, so every team is playing another ranked team every week pretty
much. Think about this too.....Minnesota was essentially 11 points from
going 11-0 this season. They lost to wisconsin by 3 in OT, OSU by 3, and
purdue by 5. How can one argue with that?
On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, supermock wrote:
bdjohns...@uiuc.edu
> bdjohns...@uiuc.edu wrote:
>> chemistry blows. Schroedinger, Laplace, Laguerre, Fourier, and all
>> those other guys can go to hell. :)
> Well, Schroedinger's there. He's a sicko, and evidently he was a Nazi
> as well. Plus, who the hell bases a theoretical model on the murder of
> a cute little kittie?
Yeah...Schroedinger's cat was definitely twisted.
Heisenberg did have a redeeming quality though - he gave us a rather
clever excuse for losing homework.
"I calculated the momentum of my assignment with such great accuracy
that according to the Position-Momentum Uncertainty Priciple, it could
be located anywhere in the known universe."
Hey Fitch...Go Fetch
"You've wasted every moment of your Saturdays and your Sundays. You're wasted
from the boredom...was never supposed to be like this." - Adam Gardner
BigHurt574
>QB spot covered.
ok, so we've gone from hamilton is statistically best from you "firmly believe"
supermock
another conference or two as well. There are always upsets and strange
things going on in inter-conference play; that's just how it works.
J Trudeau
shame The wreck have no Defense because his scoring has been impressive.
They remind me of UCLA last year. I also think that the hoop team at
Ga Techis is underacheiving. I look for the Terps to suprise people in
the ACC this year.
BigHurt574
ratings at usatoday.com
the big ten is rated as the toughest conference, and other similar "computer"
rankings say the same
cerebus
> "I calculated the momentum of my assignment with such great accuracy
> that according to the Position-Momentum Uncertainty Priciple, it could
> be located anywhere in the known universe."
Whatever. It's as infinitely improbable that my dog ate it.
Though my brother's dog did eat half of my math problem set when I stayed
there for a few phish shows in october. I was soooooo pissed.
DMBNLadies
has nothing to do with the original post. You are forced to scan through this
"Ivy League" crap in order to read what you are interested in
supermock
I've always firmly believed, and have not changed my mind.
I think you're taking this discussion a little too personally.
supermock
conference. I'm sure Sagarin is saying good things about it --
something can't be overrated if no one says anything good about it.
Mr. President
On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, supermock wrote:
kaiyen
> has nothing to do with the original post. You are forced to scan through this
> "Ivy League" crap in order to read what you are interested in
"ivy league" crap? what are you talking about?
k.
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kaiyen
dude. that was a low blow man.
sigh..
kaiyen
as do I. we are clearly part of the Pac-10.
hep kat
>
> You are forced to scan through this
> "Ivy League" crap in order to read what you are interested in
fence and clings to my trees. I mean really, why should I have to
continuously rip up ivy when it should be their problem? The stupid
stuff is also a home to huge, nasty rats that eat all my citrus. Ivy
indeed!
herman kat
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Live your life filled with joy and wonder."
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Ben Hollin
>i have when people start a little conversation in the middle of the thread that
>has nothing to do with the original post. You are forced to scan through this
>"Ivy League" crap in order to read what you are interested in
now that is funny. come on people, let's keep the off off topic posts
out of here. ;-) and don't just blame the ivy league, there are other
offenders too. lol.
ben
BigHurt574
>conference. I'm sure Sagarin is saying good things about it --
>something can't be overrated if no one says anything good about it.
the point was, its not sagarin or any one guy. its unbiased formulas that are
used to calculate the best teams/conferences based on margin of victory,
strength of schedule, etc..
sagarin was a mathematician at harvard i think it was and came up with these
ratings, and his are used in the calculation of the BCS
cerebus
> i have when people start a little conversation in the middle of the thread that
> has nothing to do with the original post. You are forced to scan through this
> "Ivy League" crap in order to read what you are interested in
Whatever. You're just mad 'cause you're a Jacobian.
-mike
mjl...@students.wisc.edu
21-16). since i go to wisconsin i'm completely biased toward thinking
dayne should win the heisman. he's simply the best running back ever
to play college football. i've seen him play in person at least 30
times and he amazes me more each time i see him run. he's accomplished
more than any other running back in college football history. and he's
done it without playing in the second half of the first 2 games nor the
second half of the indiana game and only one series in the second half
against michigan state. and there should really be no argument that
the big ten is the best conference in football. that is why there will
never be a national champ from the big ten. the teams knock each other
off. the bowl record from last year speaks for itself though.
wisconsin beats ucla and purdue beats kansas state. both of those
teams were in the hunt for a championship up until the final week. in
addition, ohio state won a bcs game. and michigan and penn state won
their bowl games. all in all, the big ten didn't lose a bowl game last
year. and i'll bet it will be close to the same this year (although i
won't go so far as to say the big ten will go undefeated in bowls
again. after all, there could be 8 big ten teams in bowl games this
year).
just my two cents, mike
In article <Pine.GSO.4.10.991117...@ux9.cso.uiuc.edu>,
"Mr. President" <lo...@students.uiuc.edu> wrote:
> How is the big ten overrated? I think it is obvious to most that
they are
> the toughest and most balanced conference in the country. I mean
look at
> it up and down....one team beats wisconsin by 30 something, and then
loses
> to Illinois at home (Mich), Illinois gets spanked by Minnesota at
home,
> and minnesota beats PSU, but loses to Purdue and OSU at home. Mich
St.
> beats Michigan then gets spanked by Purdue and Wisconsin, everyone
beating
> up everyone else, thus the most balanced power conference in the
league.
> And the thing is there is like 2 bad teams this year, not half the
> confeence, so every team is playing another ranked team every week
pretty
> much. Think about this too.....Minnesota was essentially 11 points
from
> going 11-0 this season. They lost to wisconsin by 3 in OT, OSU by 3,
and
> purdue by 5. How can one argue with that?
>
> On Wed, 17 Nov 1999, supermock wrote:
>
> > Hamilton may be 3rd in total offense, but you have to realize that
> > Brees and Rattay also have twice the number of passing attempts that
> > Hamilton has. Rattay ranks fourth in efficiency, and Brees is...
32nd?
> > And while Chad Pennington is good, I still firmly believe Joe has
the
> > QB spot covered.
> >
> > Ron Dayne is good. But IMHO, the Big Ten is overrated.
> >
> > Pete
> >
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> dmbnl...@aol.com (DMBNLadies) wrote:
>>i have when people start a little conversation in the middle of the thread that
>>has nothing to do with the original post. You are forced to scan through this
>>"Ivy League" crap in order to read what you are interested in
> now that is funny. come on people, let's keep the off off topic posts
> out of here. ;-) and don't just blame the ivy league, there are other
> offenders too. lol.
Yeah, I resent being called an Ivy Leaguer :)
Go Illinois...
TwoStep665
he is the leader in passing effiecency and is the leader of the highest scoring
offence (41.7 ppg) and #1 total offense (517 ypg)
Mr. President
passed, td's, td:int ratio, wins etc) Not saying he's no good, but I
believe there are better QB's out there, and as far as his chance for
Heisman, no way in hell. The Bigun got it wrapped up for sure.
Greg
supermock
Chad Pennington. Brees and Rattay may have more yards and TDs, but
they also have twice the passing attempts that Hamilton does, so that
kinda makes it unfair. But you are right, there are several different
stat columns to consider.
BigHurt574
keep in mind with those extra passes: purdue runs a relatively conservative
possession passing game. most of them are short completions, so they have
longer drives with less huge plays, which is also why his efficiency is lower
from what i've seen of hamilton he's more of a big play quarterback
not saying either is better, both styles have worked pretty well for both
Lizzie
>that
>has nothing to do with the original post. You are forced to scan through this
>"Ivy League" crap in order to read what you are interested in
I don't see how you can complain when the original post wasn't even on topic!
Now, if there was a discussion of "Ivy League crap" in the middle of a DMBc
thread, THEN I'd be mad. :o)
~Liz~
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