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Hoss

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Jun 28, 2002, 3:45:14 PM6/28/02
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What album did Waylon and Jessie record the song written by Stevie Nicks
Leather and Lace on ?
Many thanks in advance

Erik Gulbrandsen

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Jun 28, 2002, 4:04:37 PM6/28/02
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>What album did Waylon and Jessie record the song written by Stevie Nicks
>Leather and Lace on ?
>Many thanks in advance


I've been searching google, and from what I can find it seems like the song
was released on an album called "Leather and Lace" in February 1982.

At least both the discography at www.waylon.com and www.thefab.net says so.
(tle latter only says 1982 though).

Erik G.

"I've always been crazy, but it kept me from going insane" - Waylon

brit_am

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> What album did Waylon and Jessie record the song written by Stevie Nicks
> Leather and Lace on ?
> Many thanks in advance

I've never heard that version. But, I know that in her liner notes, Nicks
says that the song is about them.

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Brian

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Jun 28, 2002, 4:27:02 PM6/28/02
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Erik. Thanks I have that album but its not on there

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jeff

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Jun 28, 2002, 4:26:32 PM6/28/02
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: What album did Waylon and Jessie record the song written by Stevie Nicks

: Leather and Lace on ?

This doesn't quite answer your question, but it's interesting reading.
(from:
http://www.fleetwoodmac.net/penguin/interpretations/l/leatherandlace.htm )

"....it became one of the most special love songs I would ever write...and
reminds that today, after all these years."
--- Stevie Nicks on "Leather and Lace" from the liner notes of Timespace: The
Best of Stevie Nicks

Stevie Nicks has an uncanny way of incorporating her life into her music.
"Leather and Lace" was intended to be a song for Waylon Jennings to sing with
his wife, Jessi Colter, but Stevie used her own relationships with Lindsey
Buckingham and Don Henley as the basis for her lyrics, as they were the men she
had been involved with who were also in the music business. Jennings wanted the
song to be called "Leather and Lace", and Stevie decided it would be about two
people who were in love with each other and also in the same business. Don
Henley was very involved with the writing of the song, as well. Stevie has said
that he told her when she was on the right track or the wrong one, and also
encouraged her to finish the song when she wanted to give up on it, and finally
recorded the demo with her. After all of Stevie's hard work on the philosophy of
the duet, Jennings and Colter broke up. Jennings planned to sing the song alone.
But, the song was most definitely a song for a man and a woman to sing together,
and Stevie informed him that, if he and Colter were not going to sing the song,
she and Henley would. They were the only four people that could sing the song,
in her mind. As Stevie said, that was fate intervening.


Is love so fragile...
And the heart so hollow
Shatter with words...
Impossible to follow
This seems to be almost a conversation between the two people. Stevie is talking
first. They are having some problems. It is a struggle to maintain both their
musical stardom and their relationship. Their egos get in the way. They can't
help a little jealousy of the other's success, while also being torn by being
proud of them. Stevie wants to point out that love is strong enough to endure.
The angry words they say to each other can't shatter it. The heart (not really
the actual heart, but the symbolic place where love lives) should be full, not
hollow enough to let unkind things said break it. She is asking it like a
question, probably wanting him to realize it. Is it impossible to follow your
heart for love?


You're saying I'm fragile... I try not to be
I search only... for something I can't see
I have my own life... and I am stronger than you know
She wants him to know that she does not need him to survive. He likes to think
of her as a fragile little thing that needs to be protected. Many men look(ed)
at women that way. However, she is a force to be reckoned with in the music
business, and she can take care of herself. It is often hard for a man to be in
a relationship with an independent woman who can make it on her own. He tells
her she is fragile because he wants her to depend on him, but she tries not to
do that. That untangible thing called that she has been looking for called
success is her weakness, as is the love that will last and not collapse when
times get rough.


But I carry this feeling
When you walked into my house
That you won't be walking out the door
Still I carry this feeling
When you walked into my house
That you won't be walking out the door
Although she is her own person, when she met this man (Buckingham or Henley),
she knew he was the one for her and that they would be together forever. They
had an immediate connection. Although she is no longer with either man
romantically, they have remained part of her world. So, when they walked through
the door of her life, they did not go back out. Both are still special to her.


Lovers forever... face to face
My city or mountain
Stay with me stay
I need you to love me
I need you today
Again, she expresses her feeling that they will be together forever. They will
be open and honest with one another and put their all into the relationship. She
wants him to be with her no matter what happens or where they go individually,
even if there is craziness in their lives or obstacles they must overcome.
Although she expressed her strength and independence in earlier lines, she does
admit that she needs him and needs his love, each and every day.

Give to me your leather...
Take from me... my lace
Men are supposed to be strong, and women more delicate, according to the world.
She will take a little bit of his toughness, and give him some of her softness.
Taking a little bit of one another will improve them as people. A good pair
should complement each other. But, Stevie is telling the man (Lindsey or Don) to
let her be the strong one for a while, and he can be weak at times, if he needs
to be.


You in the moonlight
With your sleepy eyes
Could you ever love a man like man like me
This is the point at which Don Henley begins to sing his part (the part intended
for Jennings to sing, obviously). The man (a Lindsey/Don composite) is
responding to Stevie's thoughts now. There are two sides to the story and, in
this song, we get to hear both of them. The first time he met Stevie, he thought
she was such a beautiful and special woman that she could never love him,
because he thought he was not good enough for someone like her.


And you were right
When I walked into your house
I knew I'd never want to leave
He is answering what Stevie said in earlier lines. She knew when he came into
her life that he would always be a part of it. And she was right, he is telling
her, he had that same feeling. He wouldn't WANT to leave. So, if he ever did end
up leaving, it would not be because he wanted to. They have a special connection
that happened right away for both of them.


Sometimes I'm a strong man
Sometimes cold and scared
And sometimes I cry

He admits that he is not always strong. Because he is a man, he probably feels
like he should be the strong one all the time. But, sometimes he does not feel
that way. He even cries. So, maybe he will allow her to be the strong one at
times. She wanted him to let her do that. It is good that he is opening up to
her and telling her that, because she had wanted him to know that she was
strong.


But that time I saw you
I knew with you to light my nights
Somehow I'd get by
First time I saw you
I knew with you to light my nights
Somehow I would get by
When he met Stevie, he realized that she was the one who would make the bad
times better for him. When he is down or doesn't feel strong, she will help him
get through. He's telling her that his world was emptier and bleaker before she
entered it, but now that he has her, he can survive anything with her help.


Lovers forever... face to face
My city or mountains
Stay with me stay
I need you to love me
I need you to stay
Give to me your leather
Take from me... my lace
Take from me... my lace
Take from me... my lace

Now they sing this together. They realized that they both feel the same way.
They will be together forever. They will take care of each other. Whatever
roadblocks come up, they will get through them because they have one another.
Stevie needs him and he needs her. Instead of saying she needs him today, as she
did earlier, Stevie looks into the future and says that she needs him to stay.
It's not just the here and now, but a permanent thing. She repeats for him to
take her lace, she wants to reinforce that she is there for him.

In spite of their marital problems, and the fact that Stevie Nicks decided to
record the song herself, with Don Henley, Waylon Jennings and Jessi Colter also
recorded the song. It was one of Stevie's biggest hits as a solo artist, and it
was performed by her in concert. It can often be heard on the radio, a testimony
to its staying power and popularity, and Stevie continues to sing the song with
Don Henley whenever the opportunity presents itself.

jeff

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Jun 28, 2002, 4:31:44 PM6/28/02
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: What album did Waylon and Jessie record the song written by Stevie Nicks

: Leather and Lace on ?

"LEATHER AND LACE" (w/ Jessie Colter) FEB 1981

another site said it was 1982... but also quotes "Leather and Lace" as the album
name.

-Jeff


brit_am

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Jun 28, 2002, 5:09:27 PM6/28/02
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jeff <w5omr-a...@w5omr.antispam.shacknet.nu> wrote in message
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That's along about the same time as the Nicks album (her first solo I
believe).

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Con Gratulations

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Jun 28, 2002, 9:20:52 PM6/28/02
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In article <afiecc$2ol$1...@news.wave.co.nz>, Hoss <ho...@outlaws.com>
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> What album did Waylon and Jessie record the song written by Stevie Nicks
> Leather and Lace on ?


They didn't.

--CG

mslinda

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Jun 28, 2002, 11:27:49 PM6/28/02
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Con Gratulations wrote:

Correct. Stevie wrote the song for them but they passed on it and she
recorded it herself. The couple did use the title for their duet album, but
not the song.

Linda C.


Brian

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Jun 29, 2002, 4:59:10 PM6/29/02
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I found this and down the bottom she says Waylon and Jessi did record it


Written by Stevie Nicks.

Contributors to this interpretation included: Jessica Morgan, Angie,
Eliza, Rhiannon, Justine, corilyn, Lauren, Les, and Calamity.


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The Rooster

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Jun 29, 2002, 6:45:17 PM6/29/02
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> Is love so fragile...
> And the heart so hollow
> Shatter with words...
> Impossible to follow

This is about USENET/InternetForums. "When I break down in the middle and
lose my thread, No-one understands a word that I say" (Alan Parsons Project)


> You're saying I'm fragile... I try not to be

That's about Yes' album 'Fragile', IMHO.


> I search only... for something I can't see

Hello!


> I have my own life... and I am stronger than you know

Fleetwood Mac (etc.) have been searching for the one for many years, and
I've only just arrived in the past few years. Fleetwood Mac has gotten
along fine with just the anti-Conspiracy (without my lead) before my
arrival.


> But I carry this feeling
> When you walked into my house
> That you won't be walking out the door

Do you see me leaving RMCW?


> Lovers forever... face to face

See - http://www.thesequencers.com/various/caladder.jpg . Also, there is a
song on Yes' The Ladder titled 'Face To Face', and there's punk/alt band
titled 'Face to Face' that predates that.


> My city or mountain
> Stay with me stay
> I need you to love me
> I need you today

'City Life' - Camel, "A godless on a mountaintop" - Shocking Blue ('Venus').


> Give to me your leather...
> Take from me... my lace

"Clowns on the left
Jokers on the right
Here I am
Stuck in the middle with you"


> You in the moonlight

www.thesequencers.com/Darkside . "Can I just have one more Moondance with
you, my love" - Van Morrison (who spurred Peter Bardens carreer (and in
return, he enabled Fleetwood Mac and Rod Stewart, etc.)


> But that time I saw you
> I knew with you to light my nights

'Lights In The Night' - Flash and the Pan


Stan


Con Gratulations

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Jun 29, 2002, 7:24:44 PM6/29/02
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In article <afl739$s71$1...@news.wave.co.nz>, Brian <bha...@wave.co.nz>
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> I found this and down the bottom she says Waylon and Jessi did record it


Yes, they did record it, but it has never been released.

--CG

mslinda

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Jun 29, 2002, 10:28:57 PM6/29/02
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Con Gratulations wrote:

That's what I heard, also. I have *every* original Waylon album since the
mid-60s and none of them have this song.

Linda C.


Brian

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Thanks
I wonder why it was not released ?


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