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JhnyCarwash

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May 4, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/4/00
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I'm kinda anxious to see myself on this one and I'm definitely stressing a
little wondering if I'm gonna get one again. Kinda sucks that they only do
a limited release but it gives ya some gratitude when you get one, I
suppose. I think they'll do just what you said though with the show. Put
on all the TDL songs plus "Round Here" and they better put on "Monkey". Oh
well, only time will tell I suppose. Any clue as to the "official" on-sale
date?

Brad

Matt Goodson <Ma...@guilt-trip.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Can they possibly do worse than what they did with 'Woodstock'? (OK, I
know
> I shouldn't bitch, cos I got one...but it was stressful waiting to see if
> that trick shopping cart link worked!)
>
> Hopefully this one will *actually* go on sale on the site...although I
hope
> the very nice people who worked out the trick link for BTTWGTW will be on
> hand again! :)
>
> Also...does anyone have any idea what the tracklisting will be...obviously
> they cant fit the whole show on it...I'm guessing (and hopeing) they'll
put
> on all 9 songs they did from TDL plus Walkaways, Monkey and the 'blue sky'
> version of Round Here.
>
> Any other guesses?
>
> Matt
>
>

Stefan

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May 5, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/5/00
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I'm pretty sure they'll be putting out more copies this time, Adam posted to
Aohell and mentioned something about it - maybe 500 copies, I can't remember
exactly what he said. Anyway, rest assured it will be less of a hassle than last
time.
Stefan

Mark LaPuzza

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May 5, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/5/00
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OK, I've been out of it with finals and all. Can I have the what, where and
how on this? Where can I get it when it goes on sale?

Mark

Jason2885

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May 8, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/8/00
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i know I'll get screwed somehow. People calling in the day before or hackers
putting their order in early on the web site or some stupid crap, god only
knows... so I'm not gettting my hopes up.

Lisa

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May 9, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/9/00
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Hackers?..I resent that statement..the only reason I put up the "hack"
was because artistdirect failed to go live with the cd as originally
planned..perhaps if they would have been doing what they are supposed to
I wouldnt have had to put up the "hack/crack" call it what you will..
in-grate..
-L

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Dyin Breed

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May 10, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/10/00
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Lisa I think what you did was excellent and I applaude you! Because of you I
have a copy of the original.

Toby A Inkster Esq

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Dyin Breed wrote:

>Lisa I think what you did was excellent and I applaude you! Because of you I
>have a copy of the original.

But wouldn't you have prefered an original??? ;)

>Lisa wrote:
>
>> Hackers?..I resent that statement..the only reason I put up the "hack"
>> was because artistdirect failed to go live with the cd as originally
>> planned..perhaps if they would have been doing what they are supposed to
>> I wouldnt have had to put up the "hack/crack" call it what you will..
>> in-grate..
>> -L
>>
>> Jason2885 wrote:
>> >
>> > i know I'll get screwed somehow. People calling in the day before or hackers
>> > putting their order in early on the web site or some stupid crap, god only
>> > knows... so I'm not gettting my hopes up.
>>
>> --
>> "The further out -
>> the closer in you are " ~A.D.
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> http://annabegins.com
>> Li...@annabegins.com


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Toby A Inkster Esq

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Mark LaPuzza wrote:

>OK, I've been out of it with finals and all. Can I have the what, where and
>how on this? Where can I get it when it goes on sale?

Still noone has answered... when does this go on sale?

Toby A Inkster Esq

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Dyin Breed wrote:

>Lisa I think what you did was excellent and I applaude you! Because of you I
>have a copy of the original.

But wouldn't you have preferred an original??? ;)

>Lisa wrote:
>
>> Hackers?..I resent that statement..the only reason I put up the "hack"
>> was because artistdirect failed to go live with the cd as originally
>> planned..perhaps if they would have been doing what they are supposed to
>> I wouldnt have had to put up the "hack/crack" call it what you will..
>> in-grate..
>> -L
>>
>> Jason2885 wrote:
>> >
>> > i know I'll get screwed somehow. People calling in the day before or hackers
>> > putting their order in early on the web site or some stupid crap, god only
>> > knows... so I'm not gettting my hopes up.
>>
>> --
>> "The further out -
>> the closer in you are " ~A.D.
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> http://annabegins.com
>> Li...@annabegins.com

Jason2885

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May 10, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/10/00
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Great, I'm sure you have your copy and that's all that really matters right?
I'm not complaining, I would have done the same thing if I could. Just know
that you are part of the reason that sale turned into such a fiasco.
Anyone know how Adam feels about people hacking into artist direct to sign up
for CD's before they even offically went on sale ?

Judi Smith

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i didn't do that. i just took the initiative to CALL the place and ask
them what the hell was going on. they asked me if i wanted to buy a copy.
yes, of course, i said, but i really want to know what to TELL PEOPLE who
are getting furiuos on the net (the list and here).... so they said
people could call. i posted it on the list and then here. a lot of people
called in and got copies. that has nothing to do with lisa's site.... and
if they didn't want people to place orders that way, they didn't have to
honor them.
not everyone could get an original. it's a shame the way they handled it,
but it's not lisa's fault. lisa made information available to fans, and
they could either use it or not. so did i.
british fans couldn't really use the phone-in order method. some tried
but never got through. several of my friends here in the states were
unable to get through on the phone. were they mad at me for telling them
the way to TRY to place an order and see if it worked? of course not!
why should anyone be mad at lisa, then?
it all happened before they 'officially went on sale' -- did they EVER go
on sale on the web site? -- and i don't think adam would be upset at fans
finding any way they could to get one since the company did such a crappy
job. my opinion, of course :) but there were only a thousand copies.

Jason2885 (jaso...@aol.com) wrote:
: Great, I'm sure you have your copy and that's all that really matters right?

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Jason2885

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May 10, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/10/00
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don't get so defensive everyone.don't get me wrong, I'm not mad at anybody...

Loops

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>Anyone know how Adam feels about people hacking into artist direct to sign
>up
>for CD's before they even offically went on sale ?

Adam and God both think its a bad thing.

Judi Smith

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re-read your posts. they were pretty much attacking lisa.

Jason2885 (jaso...@aol.com) wrote:
: don't get so defensive everyone.don't get me wrong, I'm not mad at anybody...

yo...@uci.edu

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May 10, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/10/00
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According to Lisa's site:
"Word from the official people is that "Face The Promised Land" - Recorded in
Denver Co, 12-2-99 is expected to be released 5/29/00 (or soon thereafter)
Selected tracks are being streamed at 2 week intervals on CountingCrowsDirect
'till its actual release. "

I didn't see the first part of this thread, but I think we should write to
them (artist direct or the CC website people) requesting that they take
pre-orders or something for it, if this hasn't been decided already... the
whole mess with BTTWGTW was just ridiculous.

In article <AhkZOapiB9cNPNuY=d2BV+...@4ax.com>, Toby A Inkster Esq

Jason2885

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May 10, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/10/00
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not ONCe did I even mention Lisa. I said "hackers" . I wasn't even aware she
had posted that on her site or I would have tried to do it myself because I'm a
selfish bastard. All I said was that it was unfair and screwed alot of people.
You can try to argue and justify that all day long, but you are wrong.

Quentin

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Artist Direct is the bad guy here. They should have been prepared and made
sure that their servers could handle the load. I managed to get an order
through but it took a hell of a lot of reloading and switching between
computers at my work. I wish I would have known about Lisa's link and I
think she's stupendous for putting it up.

~Quentin
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Dyin Breed

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thats what I meant I have an original

Toby A Inkster Esq wrote:

> Dyin Breed wrote:
>
> >Lisa I think what you did was excellent and I applaude you! Because of you I
> >have a copy of the original.
>

> But wouldn't you have prefered an original??? ;)

Judi Smith

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May 11, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/11/00
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but how did it "screw a lot of people"? the phone orders filled up the
existing allotment. the people who hacked in didn't even know if their
orders would be filled. i'm just LOST trying to figure out why you're so
upset with people placing their orders through the web site. afaik, they
didn't actually "hack" anything, just "forced" the web site to take their
orders by ordering something else or getting to a different page and then
backing up, or something like that. at any rate, the PHONE ORDERS took up
all available cds as far as i know. the "hackers" orders probably
amounted to 50-100 cds out of the 1000.

Jason2885 (jaso...@aol.com) wrote:
: not ONCe did I even mention Lisa. I said "hackers" . I wasn't even aware she


: had posted that on her site or I would have tried to do it myself because I'm a
: selfish bastard. All I said was that it was unfair and screwed alot of people.
: You can try to argue and justify that all day long, but you are wrong.

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Toby A Inkster Esq

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May 11, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/11/00
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Loops wrote:

Both???

Last time I heard, they were one and the same ;)

Kevin Goodsell

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No, Adam is not God, he's the messiah. He said so.

-Kevin

Toby A Inkster Esq wrote in message
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Toby A Inkster Esq

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Kevin Goodsell wrote:

>No, Adam is not God, he's the messiah. He said so.

Sorry, my mistake.

Jason2885

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Judi Judi Judi , you make a fine devil's advocate.

Judi Smith

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May 11, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/11/00
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pretty lame response :) can't you do better than that?

Jason2885 (jaso...@aol.com) wrote:
: Judi Judi Judi , you make a fine devil's advocate.

OvI

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May 11, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/11/00
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Well f*ck both of them then... I live in Europe and can't afford a 30
minute call to the states to be able to order a CD. And I think hacking
is NOT the word for this action... we just used a hole in the system to
our own benefit... that's totally different, isn't it ? :P)))

OvI

Jason2885

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May 11, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/11/00
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nope sorry to dissapoint you, I'm bored with it..

Judi Smith

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bored = euphemism for "can't argue with the truth" ;) hehehe

Jason2885 (jaso...@aol.com) wrote:
: nope sorry to dissapoint you, I'm bored with it..

Jason2885

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Well I just talked to artist direct, and they said they have all the names of
those who placed an order online on file. ALthough they allowed the orders to
go through last time, they said these people will be excluded from the next
offer, and any order they place will become viod ! , hahahaha !

Jason2885

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May 11, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/11/00
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ok , I was just joking.. but wouldn't that be funny if it were true, hehe

Mengmeng Zhang

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May 11, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/11/00
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Great... so those people are going to be punished for the incompetance of
ArtistDirect?? Any decent web site designer would provide _real_ security,
not "pray-they-can't-guess-the-URL" security.

--
MZhang - Geek extraordinaire, U2 Fanatic, _and_ he knows where his towel is.

"Once in a lifetime the longed for tidal wave of justice can rise up,
and hope and history rhyme." -- Seamus Heaney

Mengmeng Zhang

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> Lisa wrote:

>> Hackers?..I resent that statement..the only reason I put up the "hack"
>> was because artistdirect failed to go live with the cd as originally
>> planned..perhaps if they would have been doing what they are supposed to
>> I wouldnt have had to put up the "hack/crack" call it what you will..
>> in-grate..

Nothing wrong with being a hacker... a hacker is just somebody who possesses
a lot of technicall skills and can put it to good use. A cracker on the other
hand (who the mainstream media stupidly calls "hackers") is somebody who puts
that knowledge to harmful use. Jason inadvertently used the correct definition
of hacker, since you did a service to the CC community that was frustrated
by ArtistDirect's incompetance.

MZhang

Lisa

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May 12, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/12/00
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artist direct doesnt have the manpower to pull that one off..
their workload is this ---------------------------------------------
their staff, this -----------
A BIG reason they failed to go live with the cd when originally
scheduled..
you can figure out the rest..
-L

Jason2885 wrote:
>
> ok , I was just joking.. but wouldn't that be funny if it were true, hehe

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Toby A Inkster Esq

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May 12, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/12/00
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It wasn't really a hack anyways - it was just noticing a pattern in
their URLs and going to a page which they hadn't linked to from
anywhere yet.

Mengmeng Zhang wrote:

Jason2885

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well, in that case, l hopefully we can do it again , hehehehehehehehe

Judi Smith

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May 12, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/12/00
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exxxxxactly.

Toby A Inkster Esq (tobyink...@writeme.com) wrote:
: It wasn't really a hack anyways - it was just noticing a pattern in

: Mengmeng Zhang wrote:

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Josh

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>artist direct doesnt have the manpower to pull that one off..
>their workload is this ---------------------------------------------
>their staff, this -----------
>A BIG reason they failed to go live with the cd when originally
>scheduled..

With all due respect, if they can't carry out the task they've been signed to
do, they have a responsibility to go to CC's management and say "We can't do
this"


Josh

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Lisa

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May 13, 2000, 3:00:00 AM5/13/00
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you'd think so huh?..
and when they do throw in the towel..
SWOOOOOOP..
;)
-L

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SOIA

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LEAVE LISA ALONE OR PAY THE PRICE>>>
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